10MM VELOCITIES OUT OF A CARBINE VS A PISTOL

I tested the velocities out of a Roni G2-10 10mm Glock 20 with a 16 inch barrel versus a Glock G20. I used a chronograph and tested two rounds each of Civil Defense 60gr, Underwood Xtreme Defender 115gr and Barnes VorTX 155 gr. There was a huge increase in the Civil Defense and a moderate increase in the Xtreme Defender. Marginal in the Barnes.

[@LemonySnicket-EUC]

I just bought a Kriss Vector carbine in 10mm and this helps me a lot. Thanks for sharing this. I think the 10mm offers more versatility in carbine use.

[@budofirearms4585]

I want a vector! I love the design. the carbine velocity is awesome. It is a great mid way cartridge between a standard rifle cartridge and a pistol cartridge. Thanks!

[@al_wick4282]

Got the same Vector 10mm carbine haven't shot it yet, just ordered some 60gr CD for it!!!!

[@richardanderson4916]

The Vector has a 5 inch barrel if I'm not mistaken

[@makerofmanythings8447]

It's about time we get to see some REAL 10MM crono results!!\m/ ' ' \m/

[@MoabYoda]

Is that a home basement gun range? I have always wanted to build one.

[@therealandrewcano]

A dream of mine as well

[@oldrabidus2230]

Mmmmm….lead dust…everywhere!

[@maladroitknight]

@@oldrabidus2230builds character

[@thecognitiveconservative489]

Dream big, I have a buddy that used a 6-foot diameter culvert for a 100-yard range off the basement of his shop. A 10 or twenty yard range would be cheaper than a swimming pool.

[@elsea8901]

Yes! been dying to see this done! Thank you!🙏🇺🇸👍

[@johntempest267]

Pistol caliber carbines cannot perform optimally using ammo engineered for 3 to 5 inch barrels typically found on side arms. Handloads or boutique brands give a glimpse of real potential of these 16+ inch barrel lengths.

[@uclajd]

Yeah do some loads with a slow burning powder like Alliant #9.

[@freeandcriticalthinker4431]

@@uclajd Absolutely!!

[@kennethcurtis1856]

They will still do the job.

[@UncleDanBand64]

10mm ain't no joke! Great video👍🇺🇸

[@alphazuluz]

These were the worst possible loads to compare. You should have been trying some heavier rounds with slower burning powders. These solid copper bullets (which are huge and reduce case capacity), with fast burning powders see no real gains in longer barrels. A 155-200gr bullet with a good slow burning powder like AA#9 or 800-X would gain 400-600fps.

[@waltmagic]

I've thought about getting a carbine to pair with either my 9mm or 10mm. 2800 is about what you would get with a 5.56 carbine so that is impressive but civil defense is some super pricey ammo. Thanks for the video. It's got me thinking pretty hard. I was really hoping to see higher velocities with the more traditional weight bullets. Underwood is great stuff, also pricey as hell.

[@PARENTALADVISORYPODCAST]

great video. Appreciate this. excactly what i was looking for.

[@Sterlingcape]

same!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice! I've been wondering what the difference was!

[@accordv6er]

2800 fps... Lmao that's wicked

[@ivanster3]

accordv6er calculated the energy. It's just over 1,000 ft-lbs, out of a 10mm....

[@TheXOoftheRO]

it will hit much harder then a 223 through. "knockdown power" for the old timers.

[@caseyb1346]

it also has a bc of like .05 By 100 yards it will only be doing 1400 fps. I was really in to PCC's until I learned how shitty pistol bullets ballistic coefficients are.

[@davidescobar5366]

casey b for home defense if that would be the intention for a pistol round and even for concealed carry most people do not need to shoot past even 50 yards at anything. Ballistics at longer ranges is only for competition, military users and or perhaps some law enforcement departments as well.

[@rbm6184]

@@davidescobar5366 A PCC should shoot accurately at least 100 yards. Longer barrel better muzzle velocity. A magnum pistol round does even better. Ballistics at longer ranges is also for hunting as well as defense. If a PCC won't shoot accurately with enough muzzle velocity at least 100 yards its no good to me. I will stick with my milsurp GM Inland .30 Carbine. I can shoot it accurately and with plenty of muzzle velocity out to 150 to 200 yards. Try that with any new modern PCC. They need to chamber a new modern PCC in .30 Carbine.

[@georgec9590]

Excellent video! This is exactly the content I personally have been looking for for a while. Great job!!

[@Bull53]

The 10mm is an awesome Round!

[@thecheapshot1065]

165 berry round nose with a full house load of long shot, that was always my favorite and most accurate load. At 50m I could hold dead on.

[@victorowens9150]

"Didn't like the breeze"!I love it. 😅

[@BurntOrangeHorn78]

Stri Bog offers a 16" barrel for their 10mm model.

[@JoeZelensky]

Thank you so much for this video. It has answered so many questions for me.

[@budofirearms4585]

glad I could help! I try to do videos on questions I couldn't find answers to. Thanks!

[@sonnygunz9207]

10mm is a really fun caliber.

[@jamescameron1843]

Good espisode/ channel you answered questions I've always wondered but haven't seen answered in the many channels/ videos out there.Cool thanks

[@thecheapshot1065]

I'm not sure if this is made inside of a pole barn or in your basement but I love the Collection of brass on the floor!!! This is the set up for testing I want in my reloading room. I guess its time for a section of my basement wall to meat Mr. Sledge

[@scottlawrence1826]

Omg! That chassis finally makes since with your 16” barrel… I want one!

[@TheTGRproductions]

Daaamn, 2,800 FPS out of the carbine! That's over 1,040 Foot lbs of Energy! Literally 5.45 and 5.56 territory! 10mm 60 grain Civil Defense ammo is some spicy stuff!

[@rainmechanic]

The lightweight hyper velocity boutique loadings aside, The Barnes 155gr load coincided with most of the other Chrony data on KZbin that indicates standard weight factory loaded 10mm has little to no ballistic advantage over similar .40sw loads.. Winchesters Ranger 155gr clocked in at +1100fps in TN9outdoors tests. Chrony testing indicates the only way to access the power of 10mm is to either buy boutique brands or roll your own. Otherwise its a glorified 40.

[@TheXOoftheRO]

oh man. your missing so much. uw 155g tmj. 40 is not even close

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

Grizzly Ammo is not expensive at all in some really great 10mm. It clocks at 1300 with 180gr in my stupid Glock with an aftermarket Storm Lake barrel. You should shop around a bit more.

[@molochi]

It's been a long time since I chrono'd factory 10mmAuto. The "standard" factory load for it in the 90's was a 170grTC at 1300fps. 180gr@1250fps. 200gr@1150fps(og Black Talon). Plinking loads tended to be lighter, I think the CCI Blazer was 200gr@1050 and Federal Eagle was 180gr at 1150fps. Those loads, I guess, got weenied down to recoil more like 40S&W as they probably sell better.

[@davidbarbee1276]

Yeah, you can find a particular loading to justify your opinion, but I shoot loads which are in the 640 to 700 ft.lbs energy range. Good for protection on the trails, especially with cast lead fn , like buffalo bore. There’s not a single .40 that even comes close, but there are leadings from almost every manufacturer who get to at least the mid 600’s. But sure, it’s not for everyone. But I don’t mind and I have thick heavy hands. The recoil doesn’t bother me.

[@buttpuncher6920]

"If you don't look at the data that says I am wrong, I am right"

[@chrisgarcia8592]

I'm wanting to get a CMMG MK10. Love me some CMMG. I personally think they do the 10mm proper. 3 different sizes to choose from

[@MM_405]

Bingo!……..exactly what I want as well.

[@fdm1968]

Pick up a 2022 version. It is well worth the buy for sure

[@michaelraith9481]

starts at 2:15

[@paynectygardener2033]

My decades of experience with ammunition is it is necessary to use cartridges best suited for the firearm being tested. Using same ammo for rifle and pistols is a big mistake. Factory or home made cartridges for carbines are going to need much slower burning powders than that for sidearms with much shorter barrels. Please consider retesting with optimal ammo for different barrel lengths.

[@kenpevahouse2154]

I am confused as I learn this stuff. For self defense, a ballistic gel test is used to determine the cavities produced within a 15 inch penetration. From those videos, it appears to me, that the heavier grain (but slower) expanding bullets do more damage in the ballistic gel with respect to the 10mm. I think the carbine would be awesome, but using a 220 grain bullet and pushing it to higher velocities than the pistol. Would like to see ballistic gel test on that.

[@texasbeast239]

I think you have it totally right. The light, fragmenting rounds lose momentum and break up in a very short distance if they meet with any resistance at all. And the light, non-frag rounds just overpenetrate like infamous 9mm's. Quality bonded JHP's still seem to be the way to go for defensive uses, because they hit the hardest, expand the most, and dump their energy completely in the bad guy. The fast, light, non-frag rounds might be great for hunting since they go through and through--ballistic gel, that is. The light, frag rounds are probably only good for making impressive, gimmicky video commercials.

[@candyred3v]

saw a gel test woth the liberty 60 grn earlier and it went through a 2x4 the long way and still did 13.5 inches

[@mattcaldwell9343]

@@texasbeast239 uuummm.... NO. Not even close there guy. A heavy bullet will ALWAYS have more penetration than lighter faster loads especially when using a hollow point. The faster the hollow point is pushed the larger the expansion meaning more energy dumped sooner and not enough weight to keep pushing through. Light and fast loads tend to UNDER penetrate because of this. And infamous 9mm over penetration? Do you have any clue whatsoever as to what you are spewing on about? Obviously not. The 9mm hollow point ammunition of today has been researched and developed FAR more than any other caliber on the market due to its popularity in all fields, military, civilian, law enforcement etc. Because of that the 9mm is now out performing ALL other standard service calibers in expansion, penetration standards, damage to tissue on and on and on. Go read the FBI reports and the justification for why they went back to the 9mm, go get some training, educate yourself and stop spewing bullshit you know nothing about.

[@mattcaldwell9343]

@@texasbeast239 oh and as for FMJ rounds, the 9mm still has LESS penetration in real situations. I dont give 2 shits about a gel test you saw on KZbin once, there is a reason we use 9mm in combat. No its not the BS you heard your grandpa or someone on youtube say, its because combat has proven that in the real world, when a 9mm FMJ (because we are not allowed to use hollow points) passes through a HUMAN BODY not gel, it will continue down range LESS than larger heavier calibers thus creating less chance of innocent people being harmed (collateral damage/friendly fire). So again, please get some real education and shut up.

[@josephmeador1529]

Hollow points are obsolete ...

[@dustinstone5140]

hmm im always getting standard 200gr bullets for mine.

[@Bearthedancingman]

I have heard that in testing, heavier slower rounds had more benefit from. The longer barrel than the lighter faster rounds. The speed they gain, while not as impressive in numbers, allows for longer range and hard hitting out to much further.

[@bradcampbell7253]

using the same weapons for the test could you do one with standard 10 mm loads that are made today versus standard 10 mm loads when it was Bren 10 and a Colt Delta Elite was the only thing you could buy to shoot 10 millimeter? I contend 10 mm now is downloaded so bad it's barely above the 40 cal. went before the pecking order was 44 Magnum 357 Magnum in 10 mm and depending on what you got 10 millimeter 357 hit switch it was up there with power and velocity thanks I enjoyed the video

[@djmcdonald5508]

Underwood makes full power loads for 10mm, they are hot

[@freeandcriticalthinker4431]

Looks like guy below beat me to it. But throw in some Underwood , those aren't pussy loads for sure. And alot.of guys I know reload 10mm. You can make these things flipping smoke. I would suggest you think about it more before you make.comments like it's weaker than .40SW or something like that, cuz the right load is FAR from that

[@connergarlock771]

@@freeandcriticalthinker4431 40 SW was created because the FBI said 10mm had too much recoil, I don't know of any world where 10mm is considered weaker than 40 SW that's just ridiculous. 40SW is actually 10mm in diameter as well, the case is just shorter and holds less powder. They're very similar cartridges overall.

[@tcup3946]

Wow 10mm carbine is wicked fast up close.

[@davemiller505]

I'd like to see how 180 and 200 grains compare

[@alaskaimage395]

Finally found this... been wondering about this.

[@shelmac1342]

Sounds like it’s suppress With a ceiling that low Where’s the blast?? 🤔

[@gtoexpress8111]

NICE VIDEO I DON'T intend TO SHOOT MY 10MM CARBINE OVER 50 YARDS ITS MY WARRIOR TOOL FOR maximum DAMAGE UNDER 50 YARDS

[@poacher-ec9zo]

Good info. Thanks

[@ravissary79]

A Roni g20 with 20 inch barrel, vs highpoint vs g20 based mechtech CCU... if you had to do it all over again which makes the most sense to you? I have a g20 and am wondering what path to take now.

[@Kyle_gallegher]

ravissary79 if you have a g20 your choice has been made dont you think? Just Roni it.

[@ravissary79]

Kyle Rice not really. The cost is the same to get a roni as it does a mech tech. And they both require the g 20 as part of the final product.

[@lanemerrill]

ravissary79 personally I like the looks of the mechtech. more slender and streamlined but it's just my opinion

[@jackwells9800]

@@ravissary79 look up Shotgun News article in the 2018 archives ? If memory serves.

[@ravissary79]

@@jackwells9800 what for, a review between the two systems?

[@tylerlowder2338]

Please do a gel test.

[@scottlawrence1826]

Great velocity.

[@jeremyfrancis9370]

Was that a ricochet around 3:40?

[@bigdiccmarty9335]

No, that was the spent brass hitting the camera.

[@edwardwilliams1227]

I have the mck gen2 for my glock 20 do you have a video of how you got the barrel and everything set up for your kit and have you ran a compensator on your barrel is it worth it.

[@MSDandMSR]

Very informative. Thanks for sharing this data

[@steveh7108]

Holyshit that is smoking. 2800 feet per second. I want to see that hit some ballistics gel. What does that come to in foot-pounds of energy?

[@Ghostdog1980]

So it safe to say 10 milli out of a carbine can light up tannerite?!?!?

[@junowatt5802]

that was interesting, thanks

[@brunopadovani7347]

There is no way that you are getting 2000+ fps out of a pistol. Your equipment needs to be calibrated.

[@robarmstrong5404]

It does. I've chronographed the same exact ammo and gotten the same speeds.

[@TheTGRproductions]

I've chronographed 2,400+ FPS out of my Glock 20 with the 60 grain Civil Defense Ammo. So yeah its very possible, considering that's also what the box advertised 😂

[@hughalton6512]

How bout a Hipoint jhp .45 and 4595 carbine?

[@hughalton6512]

Yeahhh.. I'll see myself out.

[@DR-zl2ct]

Cool to see an increase even out of that hanky ass macaroni conversion.

[@mikezinkan2331]

Very interesting!

[@cephasmartin8593]

You certainly didn't get what I would call a significant increase in velocity. I've seen other comparisons that were getting 300+ fps increase in velocity.

[@Sterlingcape]

It may have to do with the chamber tolerance in the weapon he used.

[@heartlesshorseman4202]

He litterally did get 300 + fps increase in velocity! Did you not see that?

[@NurseryEnterprises]

I've watched many of this type of vid because I'd like to have it all well thought out before I put $$ on the table. Most, like this vid show an increase of 7.5 to 9.5%.

[@louisbabycos106]

Please test both soft and hard 3a body armor

[@budofirearms4585]

I will try to do this. I have only tested my old soft armor so far. I may try to take donations so I can buy items to test. I will make this one high on the list.

[@Manbunmen65]

10mm ammo shouldn't be made below 155 grains

[@AB-kg6rk]

why?

[@jeffbankston8806]

2800 thats 30-30 speed

[@josephkool8411]

Odd bullet choices there. The results are kinda dissapointing to be honest

[@Americanslivesmatter]

Wow checking out civil defense Ty

[@lowemichael03]

These numbers can't be accurate, those rounds are traveling faster than the speed of sound. this machine must work differently indoors then it does Outdoors because those numbers are crazy.

[@timothybayliss6680]

There pretty much isn't a 10mm round that isn't supersonic, unless you are looking at 10mm FBI. Even 180gr out of 5" barrels will be cruising at about 1200fps. With the longer barrel and flyweight projectile, it's not surprising to me the velocity shown here.

[@chadhaire1711]

you have convinced me to drop the idea of 10mm. A Winchester lever action in 357 can blow a 158 gr at 1700 fps. ----far better than this crap!

[@jackwells9800]

.460 Rowland ?

[@chadhaire1711]

@@jackwells9800 lever action in 44 mag is enough for me

[@kauaikit]

OMG.....and compared to a pathetic under-performing WWII M1 .30 Carbine w/110gn @ 1950fps, I'm not really impressed! Now, let's test a M1 .30 carbine w/underwood ammo?!?

[@AKlover]

Note to self NEVER BUY Barnes 10mm Ammunition, Also very odd to see Underwood pudd loaded Must be chamber pressure issues with the copper projectile.

[@mattcaldwell9343]

His numbers are 100% bullshit. There is a reason he doesnt show them. Underwood is absolutely the hottest ammo you can buy in ANY caliber period.

[@myoti9831]

ewww..hand gun bullets flying at the speed of rifle bullets

[@steveinla8963]

Shooting chrony chronographs are such garbage. Way too many error messages, limited shot string, TERRIBLE customer service. The user interface is not at all intuitive. Just garbage! Competition Electronics makes much better chronographs. 99 shot strings, rarely ever an error, easy to use interface. Just so much better.