10mm VS .357 Mag in Revolvers - Remington Core-Lokt/HTP - Poor Man's Federal Punch/HST 10mm

[@GunSam]

Filmed November 1st 2024. It's nice to be back 'home' with one of my more typical videos like this one where it's mostly my normal subscribers watching. My previous video has mostly non-subscribers watching, and I would guess most of those non-subscribers are angry 20 something 9mm fanboys. They don't behave like normal gun people, because they aren't gun people at all. I don't know what they are but they aren't normal lol.

[@pecosjane]

I am a regular subscriber, and wheelgun appreciator. I've been told, however - and told repeatedly - ain't nothing normal about me! 😂 Fuds Forever!

[@christopherbishop4927]

LOL

[@bruceleroy8063]

Lost and thus insecure. There but by the grace

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Seeing as how the video made 5x the views, I'd say you struck a nerve out there. Hahaha

[@GunSam]

@@exothermal.sprocket I'm gonna be honest, this all started in 2018 when people non stop started coming to my channel which probably had 5,000 subs at the time, and telling me that 9mm rivals .357 Magnum. Over and over and over for a couple months. Come to find out, MAC made a video called "9mm rivals .357 Magnum and spanks the .38 Special" or something to that effect, so his people were coming over and going on and on about it on my channel. I didn't even own a single 9mm pistol at the time when this was happening. So I bought a 9mm pistol and was like hold my beer, and started doing a ton of 9mm VS .357 Mag and 9mm VS .38 Special videos, granted in my 4" 686 VS 4" Security 9. In many of the videos, even .38 Special+P seemed to do better than 9mm, and .357 Mag made the 9mm look like child's play. These people freaked out completely, looking for any and every excuse to call me out, example "you used 125 gr .38 Special and 124 gr 9mm NOT FAIR!! Should have used 125 gr with both!!!" or "a 4 inch revolver isn't fair to compare to a 4 inch pistol because the chamber is included in a semi auto, you need a 3 inch revolver!" There's dozens of things they would complain about. So my response was to then buy my Taurus 605 2" barrel .357 Magnum snub and compare .357 Magnum from the snub to 9mm from the 4" Security 9, giving the 9mm pistol an advantage of barrel travel. In every video the .357 Magnum smoked the 9mm, and these 9mm fanboys would freak out more, looking for anything and everything to pick on about how I 'unfairly made the 9mm look bad'. I realized back then how funny it was that these people (9mm fanboys) don't actually want the truth, they want MAC style truth where he shot PMC Starfire .357 Mag from a snub VS Gold Dot 9mm+P from a subcompact pistol and that PMC .357 Magnum sucked. Since then I do realize this crowd will show up angry to my 9mm videos with a title that suggests it's not the best cartridge in the world, and that motivates me because it's so funny. Attention is views, and views is a little money to make more content. With entertainment there's no such thing as bad advertisement.

[@mcburcke]

Dude, you run one of the very best gun channels on the web. You know what you're talking about, and run your tests consistently, logically and informatively. Well done! (I also hope you're getting relief from your back issues...we need you up and running.)

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I've actually been on one of the new JAK inhibitor meds for over a year and it's made a huge difference with spondylitis and RA for me.

[@mcburcke]

@@GunSam Very cool! Good to hear.

[@pars5027]

The accuracy of the 10mm is outstanding. Love S&W!

[@brandiwynter]

You had me at S&W revolver vs S&W revolver. The .357 mag v 10mm was icing on top. 🇺🇸

[@JohnSanders-p7o]

New people be advised you just found your new favorite gun channel

[@georgiaboy4410]

I thought I’d cast or shot about every type of bullet there is, but that bubble butt bullet is a new one for me 🤷‍♂️. Enjoyed your video👍🏻🇺🇸

[@brianhoxworth3881]

That punch bullet always dose a great job. I call it the poor mans hst.

[@jtapper6109]

Great to see you back Mr. Aficionado. What a great comparison 10 mm vs .357. Both in revolver form!

[@randy5766]

Great video. Excellent work. 10mm is a wonderful round with potential. You are correct stating that 10mm autos have reliability issues. Manufactures are finding it very hard to engineer a semi-auto platform. The answer I most received from gun companies was that; the loadings and pressures for 10mm are all over the scale going from almost 9mm/.38 performance to unbelievable high end power range with specialty ammo producers and they cannot produce a single platform to cover this. I personally know with a 10mm semi-auto you must modify, shoot, modify and shoot. If not, buy a revolver!

[@CyborgRising]

Both my XD-Ms handle everything and zero malfunctions to date. Unbelievable, I know.

[@ratagris21]

Excellent work Sam! Thanks for testing these. ♠️🎩🇺🇸🏹

[@GunSam]

Thank you

[@jamesburkett6341]

Lots of “reviewers” on KZbin for sure. Your reviews however, to me, are more informative and entertaining. Keep up the excellent work sir!

[@bigg2768]

Nuther great vid! And, as always, ur a damn good shot!

[@CyborgRising]

Sam brings up valid points. He made me get an SP101 years ago. Greatest handgun ever made he said. He was right. Now it’s a 610. Gonna be awesome.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

This 10 isn't as "hot" as most of us would like but it is difficult to complain with these results. Thank you.

[@clintwestwood1895]

10mm is quickly becoming the Wayne Gretzky of modern calibers.

[@bruceleroy8063]

The best? Lol

[@CyborgZeta]

I remain of the the opinion that, despite being designed for autoloaders and requiring moon clips, 10mm is well suited for revolvers. I do not regret getting a S&W 610 at all.

[@JeffreyCotle]

Hi gun Sam awsome video and 2 very nice revolvers. Good shooting as always. I wouldn't be afraid to hunt with either. God bless. I shot last weekend with my 44 mag ruger. At my homemade cardboard deer.very good to 50 yards. Getting ready for Pennsylvania rifle deer season. I have 2 weeks vacation and 1 buck and 6 doe tags. Life is good. . I really like your video's 😊😊

[@kerino1]

Sam - I've been waiting for this showdown. Thank you!!!

[@anthonyguidas2012]

That 10mm would make a good woods walk round.

[@davehoward2791]

Don’t think I’d use either for personal defense against 2-legged predators (too much penetration) but for hunting medium game I’d take the 10mm and its expansion. For dangerous game protection I’d take them.357 for its penetration. Great test Sam, as always. Thanks! 👍

[@margarethouse404]

As Sam mentioned ; This 10mm would be in the neighborhood of a " Dual Purpose " load . Penetrate enough for Deer , but * Not Totally Rediclous * for ( human ) Defense . At least in the context to a hard cast 10mm . This 180gr .357 performed exactly how I expected. With a long 180 gr bullet , loaded to SAAMI COL , at 35K pressure Cap , it gives up too much energy and momentum compared to a good 158gr load . If you're handloading for a strong gun with a long cylinder , to be able to properly seat a 173 Keith , or LBT LFN 187 gr , using the Traditional Pressure Level ( the one expressed in CUP ) things would be better .

[@SDGlock23]

Nice! I was on the fence about ordering up some of those 200gr CoreLokt 10mm's as I couldn't really find any info on them but yeah you're right, they do look like a Federal Punch/HST bullet. Great video as usual.

[@jasonlommen4769]

Good video. My father was a state trooper and standard issue was .357 Smith at the time, so I grew up shooting it. Still enjoy it a lot, but I’ve been a 10mm junkie since the late 80’s. Very versatile and bad ass round!

[@williamwatson4625]

Yep, you can fire .40 s&w rounds out of a 10mm revolver. It is really no different than firing .38 spcl out of a .357 mag revolver. To my knowledge, it is unsafe to fire a .40 S&W out of a 10mm semi-auto pistol because it headspaces at the mouth of the case.

[@christopherbishop4927]

Very well represented Sam, thanks. I'd carry these 10mm without worry, woods and asphalt, probably not as much penetration through Comander lengths. And absolutely run these 357mag in my lever guns/single shot rifles.

[@GunSam]

Thanks

[@bobcatforever3485]

GS. Another good and interesting bullet comparison. Thanks for sharing and take care.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. Take care

[@terrybarnes0712]

Great video Sam Have a Happy Thanksgiving

[@GunSam]

Thank you, same to you.

[@scottmaness4449]

I'm glad you picked heavy for caliber for both, instead of trying to match bullet weights as most channels do. Matching g bullet weights in two calibers usually means you get the best of one caliber and a poor performer in the other.

[@gB-xd5fk]

That 10 looks great thanks for your work.

[@leog007888]

No creep on that 10mm, very nice manufacturing

[@cliftonwhittaker260]

I like the larger, wider hammer on your 10mm revolver, Sam. Looks like the type I have on my M646 .40 S&W L frame. Easy to reach with the thumb since the angle is better, too. I have 500 custom cast hard lead alloy .357 bullets weighing 175 grains in the Keith SWC style. They are similar to the old Lyman 173 gr LSWC (357424 I believe) that was too long to load in .357 mag brass unless you crimped over the front drive band. This bullet is a tiny bit shorter on the nose and a tiny bit longer on the shank so it loads perfectly in either .357 mag brass or .38 spcl brass and still keeps the heavier weight. I only punch paper with it using 00 gr AAC #9 for a very comfortable to shoot load with excellent accuracy. But, I'll bet it would be an excellent hunting bullet for deer or black bear when loaded up to 1200 fps. Probably punch right through a deer. BTW, have you tried .40 S&W in your 10mm moon clips? Seems like it should work just fine.

[@duaneridings6591]

great video Sam

[@lens7859]

Good work as always

[@ArmeroPR]

The more I see videos of that 610 the more I like it. I started hating the idea of a 10mm revolver and as of late I really want one. There are really good personal protection rounds in 10mm and the fact you can shoot 40 is great

[@GunSam]

I did a test I have not released yet where I tested four different 165 gr .40 S&W loads from the 4" 610. I compared velocity to my 5" M&P past results. The first ammo was Fiocchi Defense Dynamics - 1,092 FPS average from the 5" M&P, I got 1,090 FPS from the 610. Second ammo was the Speer Gold Dot - 1,109 FPS average from the 5" M&P, I got 1,106 FPS from the 610. Third ammo was the Federal HST - 1,081 FPS average from the 5" M&P, I got 1,128 FPS from the 610. Fourth ammo was the Remington Golden Saber - 1,088 FPS average from the 5" M&P, I got 1,077 FPS from the 610.

[@ArmeroPR]

@GunSam looking forward to seeing that video when you release it. That goes to show that the cylinder gap’s effect on velocity is very minimal. Great stuff Sir

[@JeffreyCotle]

Hi gun Sam awsome video. 2 very nice revolvers. In your hands very deadly. God bless and have a nice and quiet Thanksgiving. . Im blessed myself. Pennsylvania deer season is Saturday after. And I'm ready. I'll let you know how I do. It's called hunting not groceries shopping. My ruger is ready.😊

[@pecosjane]

Your S&W model 610 is impressive. You got a great gun.😁

[@aaronwilcox6417]

357 is so good. So versatile

[@theoriginalOSOK]

Another great vid and review. I love my 10mm but really, the .357 Mag and 10mm are so close that it only depends on the exact loading/platform that determines the actual superiority. Both are 'enough' to do just about anything you need to do with a handgun. Both will stop a charging grizzly bear if applied accurately to the bear's skull (not that I want to see any grizzly bear dispatched if not absolutely necessary) and both will stop a human predator even more decisively.

[@mikemoore9623]

Love your reviews. Tks.

[@EverettDaniel-j1r]

Great test Sam! The problem, as I see it, with the 610 is it's on an N frame. The 10mm may compare favorably with a .357 but the N frame is really better suited to the .44 Mag, .41 Mag and .45 Colt. All of those rounds, competently loaded will outperform the 10mm. That doesn't necessarily mean the 10mm isn't a great revolver round. But there are better performing hunting rounds in the same platform. Having said that the 10mm in an N frame is probably a better antipersonnel gun due to the moon clips, reduce recoil and faster recovery times of hot loaded ammo. I've never shot a 610 but have lusted after them since they were introduced. One of these days...

[@GunSam]

Recoil of the model 610 is fantastic. The 686 .357 Mag is average for recoil, my model 69 .44 Mag is terrible for recoil. The 610 recoils like a .45 ACP 1911, and that's the honest truth. It often surprises me how I shoot some ammo that equates to 650 ft lbs energy or more, and all I feel is a .45 ACP recoil. My brain always has trouble making sense of it.

[@EverettDaniel-j1r]

@@GunSam I've had a few N frames but the only one that has stayed is my Mountain Gun in .45 Colt. I carry level 2 .45 Colt loads in that but will move up to my Redhawk if I want to shoot Ruger Only loads in a DA. I've always wanted a Mountain Gun in .41 Magnum but I would probably load it with loads that would be very close to your hot 10mm loads. To me those loads were more what gun writers and LEO's were wishing for when they were asking Smith for a .41 Magnum. I would really like to have a model 69 but I would treat it like it was a .44 Special.

[@BIG-DIPPER-56]

Nice - Thanks ! 😎👍

[@BrianG-om4xy]

Sam, do you have to use Moon clips in that revolver it might sound like a crazy question, but I was told that you had to. Just curious.

[@GunSam]

No, not unless you are shooting .40 S&W that will not headspace on the case mouth correctly. The 10mm headspaces on the case mouth and shoots fine with no moon clip. The only issue without using a moon clip with 10mm ammo is that the extractor won't push out the empties. Generally they will fall out if you invert the revolver, or they pluck out easy too. The moon clip just makes unloading and reloading easier. I often shoot it with no moon clip.

[@BrianG-om4xy]

@@GunSam OK thank you very much, I think that’s where I saw it was you using the moon clips? Thanks for clearing that up for me.. by the way, you are my number one “go to guy” when I need to find out some info concerning different calibers and different ammos.

[@jonclark8155]

Good test.

[@GunSam]

Thank you

[@abengelbrecht]

Very informative, thanks. For the 357 a longer barrel will be more appropriate for 180gr, at least 6" for that weight. Will be interesting to see the velocity and terminal performance gains between the 357 and 10mm with longer "hunting length" barrels 6-8" for handguns or 16"+ for carbines. 357 will likely gain a lot more than the 10mm, which seems to be more optimized for shorter barrels (4-5")

[@GunSam]

You actually gain very little velocity from 4" to 6" with 180 gr, you will gain a little more with 158 gr and even more than that with 125 gr. Going 4" to 6" bumps a normal 180 gr up maybe 20 FPS. Now if it's hot hot ammo like Buffalo Bore 180 gr you might see 100 FPS more in a 6", but stuff like Remington 180 gr there's very little change

[@lizzardwizard2000]

@@GunSamdepends more on the burning rate of the powder if you know about loading ammunition.

[@josephpepper3087]

Also, I found it my testing that 180 gr .357 doesn't lose much, either, in 2 & 3 in barrels. The best factory defense load I found is Federal 357G. 180 gr SJHP. 935-975 fps from 2 & 3 in barrels and mushrooms very well & consistently in my amateur testing. Low-flash & low blast, too. For defense I load a GT Bullets 180 gr LHP to 915 fps from a 3" barrel w/CFE-P powder and standard Federal primer.

[@Fudmottin]

That 610 with that ammo seems like a pretty good combination to me!

[@HansAndGroot]

10mm rules. Carbine ballistics pretty close to 5.56 energy with Underwood ammo according to my chrono

[@jimchambers7548]

Im biased on the caliber being a 357 fan but being a S&W fan its a win win

[@tahertz8544]

I think it's an alarming that these giant conglomerates keep owning all of these companies, once they get the wrong political ideology than the public in America could be in trouble. It's fully the illusion of Not a monopoly. We need more civilian supplies.

[@henryschmidt636]

I agree, especially with CZ/Sellier and Ballot. Foreign control of American goods. The industry as a whole manipulates the consumer into what to buy. I also think the industry sees that in a future America, calibers used by police and military will be outlawed like most other countries. Thus introducing oddities like .21 Sharp.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Centralized and consolidated means less competition, more price domination, easier control, and continual slide away from life, liberty and property.

[@danoneill2846]

yep

[@josephmedeiros5770]

Nit sure if it is me or the ammo, but modern .357mag seems to be loaded down due to the increase of weaker J framed conceal revolvers. I have an N framed model 27 that these modern loads feel like .38spl loads. 1,300 to 1,500fps used to be the norm for .357. Now I see testing with velocities in the 1,100 to 1,200 fps regularly. Just saying.

[@BigSlick40]

125gr, yes you will. 180gr's are much slower.

[@josephgeorgeejr7039]

Would like to have seen the .40 cal thrown in for reference and perspective, still a great relevant review!

[@carminegraves]

dammit sam now i want a 10mm 😂

[@Zek-vs6ox]

👏👏👏

[@365USA]

I feel like the 10mm autos malfunction because the round is so dang long , so it stovepipes or gets hung up on the feed ramp.

[@JeffreyCotle]

Gun Sam. When I hunt deer with my ruger blackhawk 357 7," barrel. I use 160 grn hard cast from Montana bullet works. And I've taken 3 Pennsylvania deer with it using my handload. I've gotten complete pass troughs. And the deer bled well and did go 50 yards. But my 44mag ruger super Blackhawk hunter hits em way harder. Firing 240 hard cast hand loads.. ill bet that 180 would kill deer just fine. 😊

[@GunSam]

I knew a guy, older guy, who grew up in the 60's and was poor. He has killed deer with a lot of guns, legally and illegally. He claims even a 9mm would "knock the snot out of a deer". He's passed now, but I always trusted his advice.

[@DEAMcN-t1f]

​@@GunSamhe was right. Don't ask how I know lol. Good video brother!

[@JeffreyCotle]

​@@GunSam don't doubt one bit. My rifle is a winchester 94 3030 and when I lived in Alaska it was my moose rifle. And took 2 .moose. while I lived here. It's called marksmanship. 😊. Hitting where needed means alot. 😊😊😊

[@misiomor]

.357 Mag got neutered by the introduction of lightweight snub nose revolvers with weak cylinders (sometimes made of titanium) and subsequent lowering of SAAMI pressure limit for these (down to 35000 psi). The old standard of 43500 psi is preserved in C.I.P. norms (mostly in Europe). Maybe it is time to return to the old standard under a ".357 Mag +P" designation?

[@gunmike6072]

The rounded base gives the bullet weight without bearing surface.

[@tedcollins4684]

You are swaying me on 10mm. Thanks, stay warm. Maybe the bubble is for weight?

[@tahertz8544]

Great video, I personally think America is going to become 380 9 mm and 10 mm, 45 should be better but the industry seems to lag behind for such an old platform.

[@pseudopretentions1722]

I think it’s the lack of velocity and capacity that I think handicaps 45acp, 10mm has more power and opens up more with a hollow point due to the velocity. And you get more rounds for only a little bit more recoil.

[@tahertz8544]

@@pseudopretentions1722 it's a problem with all calibers that are ACP or SPL.

[@3Pillers]

👍

[@JohnSanders-p7o]

I wish more companies would go further w 10mm semi autos and FACTORY COMPENSATOR..... basically just make more guns designed just for 100mm and shoot ability...tha type-oh is my new name for 10mm... i just calls it ONE HUNDRED

[@machivellisucstwogo7103]

Omg. You are very accurate. lol

[@goldeneagle5823]

My favorite amo is the American Eagle 357 mag 158 gr jsp I have a Taurus 4" 7 round revolver, Could you please do a review of this amo? 🤔

[@Amityagi1]

Hi Gun Sam, I am From India and i am watching your channel regularely. Plz compare among of .32 h&r mag, 38 special and .380 acp.

[@DanTheWolfman]

I thought you had to be below .380 that is why India is not making hi capacity .32 acps?

[@buttercup8583]

I want a "41 Magnum cartridge" re-imagined using 10 mm bullets.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

?? you mean a necked down .41? There's an older cartridge called a .38-40 Winchester. It's a necked down .44-40 to .40 caliber, but runs max 14,000 CUP.

[@buttercup8583]

I mean use the 10mm bullets the same way .357 and .429 are used for 357mag/38spl and 44mag/44spl. We could make a 40mag/40 special to give us power/pressure range from a soft .40s&w up to 10 mm "+p". Since ammo manufacturers are already making the bullets and they're getting more popular, they might be more willing to try it out. The case design seems the tricky part. 1st how/where to source the cases. Then how much re-tooling it would take to make them. That might give manufacturers pause.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@buttercup8583 Still not understanding. 10mm "lite" is .40S&W. it's a slightly shorter case and runs lower power loads than 10mm. That's the same as 38 Special to .357mag and 44 Special to 44mag. There's also a 10mm magnum on the market that has a longer casing than 10mm auto.

[@buttercup8583]

​@@exothermal.sprocket I was using American caliber designation to demonstrate that it would only be slightly smaller at .40 caliber than .41 caliber. Let's say I want to use the existing and increasingly popular 10mm bullets and load them to the power of .41 Magnum. A revolver case would need to be sources/developed for it. I would also consider using the same 10mm bullets in slightly shorter cases to create a special version, again in revolver cases. There would also be additional bullets constructed to take advantage of the fact that they're chambered for revolvers and the increased power. I have never heard of a "10 mm Magnum revolver" round, but that would assume I know all rounds. I know very little. If there is in fact a 10 mm magnum set up like a .41 magnum, I hope that gains popularity.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@buttercup8583 We're mixing rimmed vs. rimless cartridges in our discussion, probably why the confusion either way. 10mm as a standardized cartridge holds less capacity than the .357mag as a standardized cartridge. If you want more power than 10mm cartridge, there's a 10mm magnum cartridge, being longer than the standard 10mm cartridge. I don't know of any semi-autos chambered for 10mm magnum however. To load a 10mm cartridge to the power of 41 magnum, that is simply not possible without grenading a firearm. A full pressure .357magnum is more powerful than a full pressure 10mm. To take 10mm and load it far higher than even .357magnum is not possible. As far as .40 caliber (not cartridge) is concerned, there's been a couple of historical rimmed cartridges for revolvers, those being .38-40 (.44-40 necked down to .40 caliber), .41 Short Colt and .41 Long Colt (neither are made anymore, both are nearly .40 caliber despite the name). For whatever reason, most rimmed revolver cartridges have either been .357 caliber or .41 caliber (41 Remington Magnum). If you want rimless semi-auto cartridges, you have .40 S&W cartridge, 10mm, cartridge, and 10mm magnum cartridge. Wikipedia is a good source of these things, simply refer to "list of handgun cartridges".

[@bradstephens4915]

I think the 357 load would probably be better suited in a carbine for hunting.

[@drsmokeybones]

Geez. That particular 357 round is below expansion threshold. Maybe it would expand if it was fired out of an 18" carbine who knows. Come on Remingtonm, do not print the words MAGNUM or HIGH TEMINAL PERFORMANCE anywhere on that box of 357's 😂 And I bet they were fairly expensive to boot. Oh well save the brass, thanks for the demonstration.

[@curtshelp6170]

Those SJLHPs don't seem to work as well as SJLSP. The 100 gr Federal soft points expand to be indistinguishable from GDHP of the same weight.

[@GunSam]

If you are talking like .327 Federal Magnum, yeah those soft points basically are hollow points that are lead-filled in the middle. Most likely the 85 gr Hydrashok filled to weigh 100 gr. The .32 Hydrashok is more like a Gold Dot in construction than a normal Hydrashok.

[@user-jd8gv9td3l]

As a rule, favorite round between the two?

[@JeffreyCotle]

Gun Sam. Malfunction is why i carry my Colt 1911 45acp. And my ruger revolvers. And i know that modern semi autos are reliable. I carry what i do. Because i know and trust them. . Thats what i know. I can trear down .my colt blindfolded

[@DanTheWolfman]

Sam I know you're just a Revolver toting Michigander out in the woods, but it's 2024 if a Federal Punch wants to identify as a Remington you let it. Apparently, you didn’t watch My Coming Out Poly vid last Sunday 😊

[@frankbrowning328]

I'm disappointed in the 357 magnum 180 gr. Maybe it would do well in a rifle but in a 4'' barrel it's just not impressive. I've never seen an unfired bullet that is rounded in the rear when I've reloaded ammo or when I've disassembled loaded factory rounds. Maybe something happened in the gun or gel that's unique to this particular bullet. The 10mm did very well IMO

[@GunSam]

Almost every 180 gr .357 Magnum hollow point performs like this one, they tend to not reach 500 ft lbs energy because the case capacity for powder is limited. Now Buffalo Bore 180 gr is a different story.

[@frankbrowning328]

@@GunSam Yes, agreed. There is the ability to push it fast enough and have a bullet the expands properly but not from most sources with Buffalo Bore being a good loading in 180 gr. It would be interesting to see if these (and others of similar velocity in 180 gr) perform well in a 16-20'' rifle.

[@AlekseySh1982]

Why .357 mag HTP, not also Core-Lokt?

[@GunSam]

@@AlekseySh1982 one reason is because I couldn't find it, and two because in .357 Mag it's identical between HTP and core lokt

[@upperroomtoo]

That 180gr 357 doesn't come alive until you shoot it in a carbine barrel.

[@wojamojo]

Rounded for stability maybe

[@philipfreeman72]

Magnum needs 7.5 bbl for hunting or bear protection .

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Eh, not really, but it helps zippiness. Hard to get 7.5 inch unless you go single-action.

[@aramirez8427]

357 for ever......

[@tomsreviews238]

Buying handgun ammo today is a crap shoot Many of these companies mix and match whatever brass and bullets are available. I spoke to a Buffalo Bore customer service rep and he literally said they use whatever they can get their hands on.

[@RoadTraveler]

Algorithm

[@RoadTraveler]

Bump

[@danny_the_K]

Why aren’t you using Underwood or Buffalo Bore ammo for the test? You are leaving so much performance on the table. 100-150 fps on the Underwood 200gr for 10mm is a quick example. Remington ammo is a poor choice lately…

[@GunSam]

What are you talking about? "This test"?

[@aaronburton345]

I don’t think that’s a HST I thinks it’s a punch round because of the penetration HST should’ve stopped sooner

[@GunSam]

Gee, what gave it away?

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

Three comments and counting but it's all my imagination according to the troublemakers and trolls who, incidentally, never seem to have a problem doing what they do.

[@hillbillyscholar8126]

You will only see one comment but it should show two replies. The first was my original comment that has been auto deleted four times now. "The heaviest .357" jacketed bullet I could ever get to expand from a revolver was the Sierra 170 grain JHC. I would like to see that round fired from a carbine."

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@hillbillyscholar8126 Google has been busy killing fr33 sp33ch lately. Outrageous. Tried the Buffalo Bore XTP stuff? Grizzly, or DoubleTap would also be an option? I think the heavy loads really could use more velocity to expand good.

[@waynedavis7245]

That was a very disappointing bullet for the 357magnum. I would save money and just use full metal jackets if that was the best I was it could do .

[@GunSam]

I have personally never seen a 180 gr FMJ in 10mm.

[@DavidFleming-o7i]

357

[@pars5027]

I don't own a 9mm, Period!

[@deplorableredneck4.02]

I will stick with 357..buy not this ammo

[@glenshort6567]

That is some weak ass 357 😂

[@GunSam]

It's actually the normal standard for 180 gr

[@glenshort6567]

@ 560 foot pounds is weak as hell.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

It's a "moderate" pressure load. There's TONS of that stuff from the big brands. If you want hot 180gr, you got to go to Buffalo Bore, DoubleTap, Grizzly. Underwood doesn't do as well in some rimmed cartridges for whatever reason. Guy tested the 180gr Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman in 6-inch GP100 and averaged mid 900 ft-lb range. Their jacketed XTP load won't be quite as high due to increased bore friction.

[@glenshort6567]

@@exothermal.sprocket that’s what I’m saying. My moderate .40 sw has 496 foot pounds. It’s embarrassing to have a 357 that barely exceeds that.

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@@glenshort6567 Ammunition suppliers are under no obligation to load everything they make at max pressure.