10mm vs .357 mag Underwood Xtreme Penetrators for Bear Protection?

[@bdr32965]

I appreciate seeing another KZbin channel that actually treats 10mm with respect and gives credibility to the caliber instead of acting like 10mm is only a niche round. In my opinion, 10mm is actually a beast of a round, it has a rather flat trajectory, plenty of power, and some very impressive ballistic performance. It seems almost as if 10mm can do it all and is almost perfect in every way, but that's just my opinion though.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I love the 10mm and have over 40 videos on it i think, though done are old and bad videos. Thanks for watching and the comment. Godspeed to you and yours

[@destinytroll1374]

It was James from TFB TV that got me into the 10mm for bear protection. Now I'm a huge fan and carry it everywhere!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@@destinytroll1374 we carry a lot up here too, though the only time I've used 10mm on a bear was a warning shot. I've actually shot a wounded grizzly with my .45 super 200gr Hardcast which is Hardcast similiar to 10mm

[@pj6208]

TRUE!!!🤟🏾💯

[@blakehernandez3929]

Too bad glock seems to be the really only most reliable 10mm platform out there tho

[@ejsocci2630]

Another great video and I am a .357 guy

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you sir. Enjoy your .357

[@johnny.3693]

I'm not ready to give up on my 357's just yet. Good video !

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Use what you shoot best.. but if you can handkerchief a .357, a 10mm will give you 8 - 10 more rounds and kick less.

[@Valorius]

I personally think 9mm+P+, 40+P, 357 mag, 45+p and 10mm are all great choices. Bullet type seems to me to be far more important than the caliber of the weapon.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed

[@jasonlommen4769]

9mm, .40 and .45 are terrible choices for bear defense. You can present your argument while he’s eating you.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah i wouldn't recommend 9mm or 40 or 45. But with the propper bullet, it will work if YOU make a perfect shot. Still not recommended

[@marktwain2053]

​​@@jasonlommen4769 All of them are pretty terrible choices if it's Griz, or Brown Bear. Either of them are better than hurling insults, but none of them are a match for a .44 magnum, .454 Casull, .460 and .500 S&W magnum, etc. That 15 rounds for the 10mm might be a good thing, but you may need all of them for what one or two of the true magnums will do. No sidearm is going to do the job of a good bear rifle, but when it's all you can get to, have something with as much horsepower as you can handle.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@marktwain2053 10mm has proven quite capable in the bear woods

[@williamk1452]

It's all about breaking bones and incapacitation not bleeding out. 10 mm, more rounds. Hard cast, flat faced with frac capability. Chest rig and spray. When you're face down, hoping she's going to let go, spray had a way of making you taste bad. The best way to survive a bear encounter is to not have one!

[@stillcreepytruepatriot6652]

Clearly waiting 14 weeks for a 7 inch KKM barrel is well worth the wait. If being attacked One could get twice as many rounds of with the Glock than with the revolver, unless you are Jerry Miculek.Thank you for this up load.Nice Job.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you for the comment, And for watching

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I hope that KKM barrel comes soon

[@siestatime4638]

How many "useful" shots can you get off at a charging bear? They run about 30 mph (Usain Bolt can do about 27 mph). At what range can you make meaningful hits? If the bear starts it's charge at 50 yards, can you get a good hit at that distance? How fast can you continue to make good hits before the bear knocks you over? Are you really going to need more than 6 shots in the less than 5 seconds it takes the bear to get to you? Assuming all of your shots hit a vital area (even that one at fifty yds), are you really going to have time for a 7th shot? Use whichever platform you can make the hits with; spray and pray isn't really effective in this case.

[@bigfootswatching9986]

@@AlaskanBallistics 10mm all the way in the wood's when I hike.......I use Hardcast from Underwood ammo... just in case we run into Bigfoot or anything else.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Most people can get plenty of useful shots

[@k9m42]

My Glock 40 has jammed several times. If that happens, when a grizzly is charging your dead, you won't have 2 seconds to try to clear it. Plus you will never get more than one or two shots off on a charging grizzly so capacity means nothing. You need something that'll take it down with one or two shots and and NEVeR jam and that is a 44 Magnum.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

What are you doing wrong? Limpwristing

[@BUZZKILLJRJR]

Not everyone can shoot 44 magnum accurately very far or even close for that matter this argument is the test of time 357 Magnum is far softer shooting than a 44 Magnum, it may be good for some people but it's not good for everybody that's a really bad day is trying to shoot something you can't even hit it where you need to. 10 mm hazards place it sounds like either you're shooting your 10 mm wrong or your gun is not operating correctly but the reason I went with an 8 Round 357 is literally because of potential limp resting my physical limitations with my left arm racking the slide and so on and recoil because of severe nerve damage from a broken neck

[@KeenanModica]

@@BUZZKILLJRJRmost Glock 10mm jam more than other calibers. My G20 and old G29 jammed often.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@KeenanModica more suseptible to limp wristing... They can be picky with either too light loads like ppu, or too heavy loads like buffalo bore 220gr hardcast. Otherwise, it's usually user error unless you happened to get one of the gen3s that had bad extractors, which was in many calibers.

[@BrassManX]

😂 “I’m limp wristing 10mm so my solution is to go to 44 mag where I’ll limp wrist even more, and won’t have time to locate follow up shots before the bear starts chewing on me” 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mtower235]

After watching you and Chuke I went to the G40. I’ve got both hard cast and penetrators. I really like the penetrators. This is rapidly becoming my favorite handgun especially for hunting and hiking.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Great choice

[@thebushbunker]

🙌 i love my 40 also

[@danieledwards7178]

I Love My G40 .... i have a Surefire X400u weapons laser light on it ... Impossible to find a Holster or anyone to make me one . Guess im gonna have to attempt making one myself Unless anyone knows of someone???

[@mtower235]

@@danieledwards7178 deadman holsters mustang Oklahoma. He made mine

[@mtower235]

@@danieledwards7178 I forgot the name changed to Grey man holsters in mustang Oklahoma

[@gorillahd9247]

Another excellent video Chuck. You know I am a fan of the .357 mag, but 16 rounds of 10mm would be fine for me too. The big difference I noted between the two rounds was at the end of the video. The price difference printed on the boxes! On a side note - congrats on getting the 4 wheeler up and running!

[@nicholasbarcomb2324]

41 Mag, because I don't have a 10mm. I do have a 357 Mag and have carried it for turkey season back east as well as during bow season in case of a black bear encounter.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

41 mag is so much greater than 10mm

[@foxhuntertom]

love my .41 but also have the Glock 40 gen 4 which is nice with rmr

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@foxhuntertom I've got a whole playlist on the .41 magnum

[@shikat2371]

@@AlaskanBallistics The .41 mag is another one of Elmer Keith's creation and it's supposed to bridge the gap between the .357 & .44 mags.. Unfortunately though, it never fully developed any mass appeal like the .357 & .44 magnum did. There's just not enough Elmer Keith's disciples left to appreciate or really need the compromise the .41 mag offers.

[@terrymattson3587]

I have my .41 mag scary hot in my uncle Ruger Blackhawk 210 gr. With 22.5 gr. of H110 and it’s accurate. Ruger can handle it.

[@skookapalooza2016]

The .44 Mag: Leaving the efficacy of the .357 vs. 10mm for others to ponder. BTW, I love that bronze finish on the revolver.

[@failure2flinch876]

Well the 454 Casull leaves the 44 crowd pondering… The Smith 460 leaves… What a dumb game !

[@AlaskanBallistics]

. 45-70 leaves them all in the dust

[@stevetodd693]

475 Linebaugh, because that’s the biggest i’ve got

[@dalemuzingo799]

But the .50 bmg though

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@Dale Muzingo nobody's hefting a 35 lb rifle miles into the woods when shot placement is more important by far. An 800 lb bear moving at 25 mph (so a medium slow bear) still generates 4000 ft lbs more energy than a 50 bmg

[@paulcritchfield6958]

I've noticed that the newer made ammo is having more issues like primer falling out , powder amount incorrect ect. I think is cause they running to fast trying meet demands. So for new ammo check them out very good and expect possible failers of done kind.

[@chrisgabbert658]

Check your ammunition cause quality control sucks

[@paulscountry456]

Winchester is making some 22lr Botique Duds....

[@jimmybare3026]

I'd feel well protected with either but g40 with red dot sights with these old eyes all day long.

[@ToddTheGunGuy]

Love that .357 My Ruger GP100 Will keep me from being bear food😆 Hope u n the fam are well

[@AlaskanBallistics]

As long as you make the right shot. We're doing well.

[@biggunshandguns3687]

For me the 10mm with heavy hard cast would be the way to. I cast so I would be able to match the load and practice with the same power ammo for much cheaper that would slow me more practice. Plus I know how well I shoot a revolver compared to how well I shoot a semi. Another cool video dude thanks for taking the time to do it

[@rolomaticz5009]

You can't use cast bullets for 10mm because of the muzzle pressure and FPS speed, only copper jacketed rounds. Using cast lead wad cutters is OK / fine for .38 special, but could explode in the 10mm pistol barrel without a copper jacket. Please don't try this, you could end up with shrapnel in your face and hands if you attempt it without a very light hand load powder charge for the cast lead rounds to under 1.1K FPS on the powder charge chart bullet weight chart. At that point, I don't think there will be enough recoil to actuate the slide spring fully to operate into battery, thus not have the needed energy to eject the slide spring fully. You can play with this in revolvers, but not in ACP cartridges where the recoil or gas pressure of the gun operates the slide / bolt mechanism to reload into battery. The $ you would save on FMJ bullets would eat up the barrel / internal chrome plating, and thus cause the barrel to degrade into failure prematurely IMHO.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Funny...b I've used them all the time and buffalo bore and underwood both say it's safe. It's soft lead bullets that cause that not hardcast. Especially not modern hardcast

[@edwardmylnychuk5774]

i am with you, the semi is easier from what i have seen on vids and having more is much better because if you dont bring it down in 6 shots you may be the one going down.

[@joquin4618]

If had to choose: 10mm in a G20… But either way those rounds would put more than a dint on a bear

[@chrisklitou7573]

10mm more expensive to buy though

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Maybe. Been the opposite lately @Chris Klitou

[@chrisklitou7573]

@@AlaskanBallistics I mean the actual Gun is more expensive It's easier to find a decent priced 357 Most 10mm guns are expensive

[@AlaskanBallistics]

All decent .357 magnums I've seen are 700 plus here. Same price as g40

[@chrisklitou7573]

@@AlaskanBallistics what's better to buy a stainless steel, scandium alloy or Titanium alloy for a 357 magnum?

[@BrianEthridge-wg6ko]

Thanks to you guys I said a lot of money I was going to get two 357 Magnums because I get two of everything that way I have a backup but now I'm just going to get another couple of 10 mm along with another 50 caliber pistol. You guys are the best appreciate you big time

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I'd still get a lever action .357 and a revolver. Good to have in case they ban your semi autos and somehow get them...

[@blackwaterdogs4256]

G20 with 10mm would be my choice as well. That`s a hard combo to beat.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The g40 just shoots so much better. Smoother, better trigger, optics ready, usually about 120 fps more than the 20 which enough to penetrate more. G20 is nice but i love the g40.

[@SoWavvyy]

Way more capacity

[@backwoodsbrooksknives4625]

10mm, because I have a Springfield XDM 5.25. If I was on a vehicle I would probably take with my Ithaca with slugs or my Kel-Tek RFB with lake city .308.

[@destinytroll1374]

Same here, though I prefer my 45-70 with 400 Grain hard cast rounds. XDM is really an excellent choice

[@jasonperfect529]

Love them both. But more rounds down range-faster I think I will still use my Glock 20+40's. Videos are awesome 😎

[@mfaracing]

Your videos for the two calibres comparisons are amazing. Thank you so much!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank You for watching. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.

[@derrickwhite2189]

That's a great looking gp100 you got there! I'm in Anchorage as well and also have a stainless 4" gp100 and 2 g20's 1 g40! I keep all my 10mm's loaded with Underwood hard cast the gp100 stays in the safe.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Makes sense to me! Be safe my friend

[@texasbeast239]

Seeing the nose distortion afterward, I have to wonder if the flutes survive contact with major bones in an animal, either. If not, then what's the point of the flutes? I guess they still do help to focus the impact force on first contact, helping to break through the barrier. But it seems like they would lose all of the special flesh-swirling effect that is supposed to be a signature of Lehigh Xtreme bullets, too. Still, 8 jugs after those barriers? Mighty fine.

[@indianajets]

Here is the plus of the EPs, when they need to be like hard cast they do, when then need to be like HPs, they do. I love a bullet that stays constant..

[@jimmybare3026]

The flutes are for cutting but the main purpose is to create a hydrolic inward effect that pushes the flesh outwardly. They claim a larger wound channel than expanding bullets.

[@Narsuitus]

Thanks for the video. Since I own a 357magnum and do not own a 10mm, I use the 357magnum for bear defense. On the other hand, since I own a 45acp, I am now willing to try the 200grain Underwood Extreme Penetrator for bear defense.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

If you can find them, the 200gr tmj +p speer Lawman is a better choice for .45 auto. I've got an old video on it somewhere. The xtreme penetrators in .45 auto are too slow

[@bdr32965]

I wouldn't even attempt to use .45 ACP for bear defense, that would be like walking up to a bear and poking it with a stick

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The 200gr 45 +p bonded tmj from lyman will do it. Penetrates like a 10mm. Wouldn't be my first choice. But when i first moved to Alaska, it was all I had

[@bdr32965]

@@AlaskanBallistics .45 ACP is a fun round to shoot. But short, fat, and slow is better for taking down 2 legged predators, don't know if I would trust it for trying to take down a 4 legged predator, especially if that predator is a walking tank. LOL

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The right rounds make the difference!

[@psychalogy]

I went in to this video wanting the .357 mag to win as I’m a huge fan of that cartridge. But I’d take the 10mm based on those tests.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Most of the time I carry them both on the 4 Wheeler

[@randystockton624]

I bet the 7 inch barrel. on the 357 would push it to 1600fps or more. The 10mm is as good but i just prefer the .357...

[@randystockton624]

7 inch barrel on the .357 would beat the 10mm on fps. Not taking anything from the 10mm it's a viable bear defense but i just prefer a 357 in a 7 inch barrel..i think their about the same but the 7 in. barrel in th 357 is a little more powerfull.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

So 7" vs 7" cool... patreon link in description

[@Wildwestwrangler]

@@randystockton624 you can get a 7 inch for the 10mm or even a 9 inch as well, but my opinion is once you get past 6 inches of barrel then you're actually making the pistol unwieldy and slower on the draw. The few fps more you'd get from a 7 inch wouldn't matter terminally near as much as having a pistol that is quicker on the draw when needed.

[@bustabass9025]

I chest carry a S&W TRR8 during hunting season in Wyoming and other states, where I'm likely to encounter anything interested in gettin' a chunk-o'-my-ass. Eight .357 Magnum handloads of 158 gr. Nosler Jacketed Handgun bullets moving at about 1580 ft/ps, is more than enough to convince both four and two legged menaces that they may have just made the worst decision of what's left of their lives.

[@guaporeturns9472]

Pretty confident if you think you are gonna get eight shots from your revolver into a charging bear. Is your name Buster Scruggs perhaps?🤣

[@bustabass9025]

@@guaporeturns9472 Shoot early and shoot often when threatened, I always say! 😉

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@bustabass9025 shot a charging brownie w 45-70 Underwood hardcast..started charging at about 30yrd or so.. got off two shots barely(and I’m pretty fast) it fell literally at my boots. Any less and or fewer might have ended very differently. Anyway take care

[@bustabass9025]

@@guaporeturns9472 I'll bet you a case of Underwood hard casts, I can shoot my .357 TRR8 revolver much faster than you can fire a .45-70; no matter how fast you may be. I have shot and been trained how to shoot big bore revolvers for nearly sixty years. Most recently with three major Midwestern metropolitan PD's, in cities where I served as chief administrative officer. I'm since retired, belong to two gun clubs and spend more hours, I'm sure, at the range developing, testing, and firing myriad revolver and rifle handloads than you do. I'd take my .44 mag Ruger Redhawk too. I can get six 300 grain CPWFN-GC lead bullets in him before he can get a chunk of me. However, if I do the math, 8x240 is gonna give me an edge at stopping but certainly turning him, over 6x300. Remember, shoot early, shoot often, carry a big bore revolver along with your .45-70, and you too can be confident and safe. 👍🏿

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@bustabass9025 How many charging bears you stop? Exactly. Never implied I could shoot my rifle as fast as you and your revolver. Was just making a statement and you apparently saw it as an opportunity to jump up on a soapbox and spew your alleged credentials. I could do the same but I’ll just say in the 20 yrs I lived in Ak I dealt with 3 charging bears. Would have loved to see you try to impress a 1000 lb brownie with your rapid fire 357 skills. You woulda became a bear turd.

[@gsdfan8455]

I love my .357. It will put down anything I run into in the Pennsylvania woods, plus there is always the option of.38 snake shot rounds. Cool video

[@tarasbulba3190]

Including a Sasquatch? I don't know about that. 😀

[@gsdfan8455]

@@tarasbulba3190 haven’t seen any on my walks in the woods, yet

[@tarasbulba3190]

@@gsdfan8455 Just be safe my friend! 👀👍

[@bobroberson9286]

You're on the mark, I carry 5 buffalo bore & 2 snake rds in my 686+ 👍

[@AlaskanBallistics]

No snakes here

[@ldn0224]

I have a .357 with hardcast rounds. Problem is next shot and next shot. Bears don't just go down in a fight. I don't have one yet but 10mm with penetrators makes most sense in a life or death situation. Recent class I took, an instructor relayed a story that a man survived an attack with an auto on his back driving every round he could into the bears neck under the chin. I believe one part of his survival is that autos are compact and good on close combat situations.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The first two videos in this series were on the hardcast. I think you'll like it

[@boweebles1]

The down side of a auto in that close and personal situation is that you may push it out of battery and then you have only a "click" and no round going into the bear.

[@deathtdow]

@@boweebles1 not on a 1911, or 2011, you can engage the slide lock put pressure on the trigger, release the lock and it will fire irrespective if the slide is been pushed.

[@backwoodscharlie8483]

​@@deathtdowIf you have to go through all that nonsense during a bear attack, you're gonna be supper.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Maybe

[@mikecacciatore543]

I like that you carry both. I as well have a set up and can carry 2 side arms when needed.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you sir. Carried a 44 mag and 10mm while out duck hunting

[@mikecacciatore543]

@@AlaskanBallistics very wise

[@shootem5568]

I dont have a 10mm but I like the heavy 180 grain hardcast for my .357. Im not really sure what to think of these xtreme penetrators/ other "gimmick" type rounds.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Check out my xtreme penetrators vs. Hardcast series

[@keithbalke6352]

Alaskan Ballistics Me have 180 gr HSM "Bear load" 300lbs or less should suffice

[@travelswithtrekkers1326]

G20 with the underwood is my Backcountry go to combo. Nice video!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you kindly. That's a good combo. be careful as Underwood has had some really hot pot numbers for me. You'll see it in my 10mm vs. 45 super xtreme penetrators videos

[@jamesgravel7755]

I haven’t found any under wood ammo in 10mm anywhere. I’d like to get some 200gn hardcast I’m patiently waiting. Cool test thou.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's what I mainly carry 200gr hardcast

[@stevieseasalt]

They been out for almost a year. I have about 15 cases of various underwood that I bought pre pandemic. Go to Buffalo Bore. They make awesome ammo and they have mostly everything 10MM in stock. Look at their Dangerous game rounds.

[@jamespugh]

Well toss up go to in are family always been 357mag. But moder semi autos 10mm is not a bad choice. But revolver is always going to be the better option with bad weather or if bear get u pull down ground revolver still go off push in to it where auto may not cycle. Plus got remember not ever state allows semi auto as hunting firearm. Here in Pennsylvania auto are allowed be carry but only for self defense for 2 leg attakers better have good reason on 4 leg attacker.

[@paulweaver6064]

I tried them in both caliber same, they don’t penetrate any better than standard round ball FMJ or flat nose in same caliber’s.

[@jarrettdossey7300]

Those two are good for Saturday night in north side Ft Worth. I wouldn’t get out of the pickup in “bear country” if that’s all I had to save life. If I didn’t already have a .460 S&W I would save my money and go buy one before I spent any time thinking about that kind of trip.

[@404nitro]

Always a great watch brother. I would like to see this same test with a stone stock average 10mm vs that standard revo. More people by far carry a std 10 than one with a longer barrel

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Not here in Alaska where they outfit it for hardcast

[@404nitro]

@@AlaskanBallistics Oh, I am sure you are right about that, but I was speaking in general. I am pretty sure you have more viewers watching from outside AK than you do from within it, which is why I mentioned that comparison. You do great work bro. Keep it up!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Just not going to fire the high pressure stuff through a glock barrel anymore, and a 6" 1911 is expensive

[@404nitro]

@@AlaskanBallistics The Glock barrels have issues with the ammo like this? I have never owned a Glock. Also, that was my point- don't use 6" barrels. Just straight stock length barrels no matter which brand as I think that type of info would be beneficial to al your viewers that have stock guns but may be under the impression they'll get the same results vs the 357. I hope that makes sense to you LOL

[@AlaskanBallistics]

The Glock 40 is a 6 inch STOCK barrel. Glock barrels are unsupported chambers so they don't handle higher pressures as well. Can leave bloated brass

[@davidberry6046]

Have you tried the Buffalo Bore .357 mag. load featuring a 180gr. hard cast projectile with gas check, called the "Heavy 357 mag Outdoorsman"? It's rated @ 1400 fps out of a 4" bbl. That's over 780 ft/lbs of energy and it has such a high sectional density that I have not been able to observe anything from "Extreme Penetrator" that even comes close. Of course, the recoil is something else, but I get what I paid for here in Wyoming where we also, like you, occasionally run into some fairly large critters with teeth, claws and a bad attitude.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Check out episode two on this series

[@paulcritchfield6958]

Another issue manufacturers have now is supply of copper is in shortages. The factory 3rd shift has shut down on all manufacturers. Before it was primers.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Crazy

[@HDoutdoors2]

KZbin has muted this video are there any other video sharing platforms which I can watch this?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I'm on Rumble. But I don't have every video on Rumble

[@Hudge76]

I think either will work. I have the 10mm now and should have bought one a lot earlier.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Sweet man cool

[@thedirtygot9570]

I have a Glock 20 with a 6in KKM barrel, barrel sticks out about 2in so should help from going out of battery in close encounters! I can shoot a magazine in about 10 seconds accurately, so imho its the better option! my wheel gun is a 7.5in Ruger Super Redhawk in .480 Love all of your content, very well done!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you brother. Good idea.

[@brentigo]

I live in New Zealand, we have no bear or predators that we would need protection from a gun. Watching your videos makes me wish we did. Love your channel.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you brother. Glad you don't have bears.

[@brianhoxworth3881]

A 1200 pound 10 foot brown bear will make you shit your pants. I lived in Alaska for 5 years, I know.

[@failure2flinch876]

However, it appears you need guns for protection from the tyrannical NZ Gov!

[@jakobo789]

Bears are terrifying. Be happy you dont have to worry about them.

[@kentwilliams4152]

I have been reading about the unsupported chamber thing on the G20 and that custom barrels are possibly needed. True?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Absolutely needed.. possibly preferred- definitely

[@paulscountry456]

Those may produce a larger cavity than hardcast,in gel the path looks like more than a rathole wound like buckshot or fmj.

[@Valorius]

When I lived in the PA mountains in black bear country I carried a 380 loaded with Buffalo Bore 100 grain plus P hardcast flat nose rounds. Never needed the gun, but I have chased big 600 lb black bears down the street with a flashlight.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Good luck

[@Valorius]

@@AlaskanBallistics I consulted with Tim Sundles, owner of Buffalo Bore in making the choice. He seems like a bit of an authority on the subject. What you need is penetration, and that round has it in droves. 40+" in ballistics gel. Black Bears are far more timid and much more lightly built than the big boys you guys have up there.

[@troger63]

Both , they Both work great ! 10 mm is good in better loading but falls short in most . 357 is more consistent in most loadings and offers more options in reloads , can be loaded better . In a Semi auto round the 357 sig has had some impressive outcomes for me too . Most ammo brands are more consistent in that load too. The grip size , speed on target, reliability and accuracy in that round is very good 👍 all awesome guns and rounds .

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I need to do more with 357 sig but I can't find a barrel for my conversion

[@dbm2101]

I’ve got a 6” Glock barrel in my G20. I had a KKM Precision barrel in it but it’s such a precise tight barrel that once in a while a round would catch going into the barrel. I don’t even consider my .357. I either grab the G20 or the Ruger Alaskan .44.

[@SuperHeatherrussell]

So you have success shooting the really hot ammo out of the stock barrel?

[@AMG454PRO]

Great test 👍🏻 I will say performance was about equal here.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed

[@gentrydebbie1040]

I prefer the extra Rounds G 20 with Full support barrel ?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed... if you shoot the g40 though you'll love it

[@paulcritchfield6958]

I really enjoy the vs video. Especially when it's done by someone like yourself that's well versed in guns, hunting , ect. The tactical videos are ok but not do to much good in the bush. There 2 different animals . I kinda get excited when I see you have new video up.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you brother. EVery wednesday

[@D-A-1776]

Have you ever shot .40 super? I just shot a buddy of mines from the ballistics I've seen and the ammo specs I seen from underwood seem like it would be good for bear defense too. It's just not very popular

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I have a long time ago

[@kkirk1381]

Great video as always - I appreciate the content!!! This would also be interesting to see in a shorter barrel gun like the Glock 29 vs a Snub nose .357… I know often I’m trying to carry the smallest backup gun when out hunting and usually that’s my Ruger SP101 but also considering getting the new Springfield 10mm once it’s available (and I know many who think the same way).

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I have a glock 29 and plan on making that comparison soon. Velocity loss is a lot with both. Thank you and Godspeed.

[@kkirk1381]

@@AlaskanBallistics THANK YOU!!! Be safe and stay BLESSED!!!

[@brockedandloaded6034]

I don't hike in bear country, but u shoot under stress a lot, and just my .02, but having a grip you can find under stress and get a good purchase on is critical. People love to carry tiny guns, but its only nice when you aren't shooting it. When I've got 💩 in my shorts, I know how bad I suck.

[@xstugee]

Do you have any idea how a Hornady 175 grain Critical Duty in 10mm might behave for bear hunting...thanx?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I have a whole video comparing these 2 calibers in the critical duty line. Here's the play list. kzbin.info/aero/PLgyCOrlBEzeAMtrc8CNqTBPK3Sh3vUxdQ

[@stevedouglas5443]

It's hard to wrap my mind around either of these calibers being good for bear protection. From what I have learned so far is, penetration is king.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

True and they both will do the penetration needed. Still a backup to your 45-70

[@larryrisen3113]

I have both and have been range shooting both in 4", 5" and 6" barrel lengths. If my life is on the line, I'm not sure I can fully trust a 1911 or striker/fire in the heat on the moment. Feeding issues and jam ups/stove pipe happen with ALL of them, sometimes ammo out of spec related, though Underwood has never failed me. My 357 Python revolver will always fire, and I personally seem to hit the target at distance a little better with it. In some cases you may only get off 3 to 4 rounds a big game charging is on you. Draw speed and accuracy is vital. Through heavy brush its 10mm Dan Wesson with 9 rd mag, but as a backup in more open territory - such as an injured bear you shot charging - I'm going 357 mag in revolver.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Good choice!

[@nn431xru1]

Thank you. I enjoyed it. On the side note...the standard deviation (SD) is absolutely irrelevant unless you are shooting past 500 yrds. For handgun ammo to be used as a potential bear defense, SD plays zero role. As far as caliber, 10mm or 357 would be the bare minimum for a bear.

[@danoneill2846]

Talk about poke the bear ... you may just as well have said you like SSTs !!!!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Lol

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I know the standard deviation doesn't matter for a close range bear defense, but there are people who requested seeing it on every video

[@michaelwestmoreland2530]

"Dimple on front". ...is that a thing? Have people had lever action tubes going off from tips triggering rounds in front?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yes

[@ckiefner715]

I have a box I haven’t shot yet for my Glock 40. Thanks for posting

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yeah keep them for a while.

[@JohnnyTchya]

I use a XDM 5.25 with underwood 220g hard cast. Didn’t go with the G40 because I didn’t want to need get a second barrel for hard cast.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

A fair point. To each their own!

[@JohnnyTchya]

@@AlaskanBallistics So long as it works and I’ll bet my life on my combo even though I never want to need to test it.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed my friend

[@davidrdanner4232]

With the choice of 357 mag or 10mm the choice for me 10mm hands down 👍🏻 It would be nice to have an autoloader in 41mag...that would be a awesome choice 😀 👌 🇨🇱 ☆ Good video Chuck 👍

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's a rare desert eagle to find

[@davidrdanner4232]

@@AlaskanBallistics And very expensive if you can find one for sale ! I like your channel Chuck.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you David

[@DoubleKMustangs]

Question sir, is shooting that ammo out of a shorter barreled Glock bad? Thank you.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

No... but any hot ammo out of a glock will have some bulge on the case because of the non fully supported chamber. GET A KKM barrel!!!!! Thank you for watching and the question!

[@DoubleKMustangs]

@@AlaskanBallistics thank you!

[@danoneill2846]

10 MM is that really a question !! I don't own a 357 I have 3- 10mm pistols & a 10mm AR . I would like a Stainless 357 Marlin & your Ruger is Cool !!! My first handgun was a Ruger 357 Blackhawk 4 5/8" Great Gun !

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thanks Dan! 10mm baby

[@walterpalmer2749]

Underwood ammo - good stuff. Performance is as advertised (usually better) and the components are top notch.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

N never had performed as advertised in revolver ammo.

[@paulcritchfield6958]

I think I like hardcast more. It slower but hits hard! The penetrator faster and punches hole quick. Also they deflect more when hit bone ect. As the hardcast stays closer to its original path

[@indianajets]

I disagree, the EP in my opinion and experience goes thru bone and stays on tract. A side shot on a coyote is thru and thru shoulder to shoulder.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

They weren't designed for coyote bones. I agree on the hardcast based on my test, but I've also seen two xtreme penetrators go right through a black bear skull

[@indianajets]

@@AlaskanBallistics I get that coyote bones aren't equal to a bear skull, I'm just saying two shoulder bones and an exit was pretty impressive. That was at 50-60 yards.

[@paulcritchfield6958]

@@indianajets both do great job. To give more on my experience I had extrem pen and did shoulder shot the exit wound was way to left of what it should been. When I cut open the deer you could see when it hit the ball part of bone it started angling to left which cause it to miss heart but still hit lungs and the energy transfer damage heart. This happened 2 times the second time it hit center of shoulder and Angled to left again. When I use hard cast the exit wound it straight. Maybe I just had fluke idk but both make them dead so all is good 👍

[@garyridaught3808]

@@paulcritchfield6958 Great Report

[@rbrown335]

Interesting test, both are good cartridges, I wonder how do they stack up while being fired from a rifle instead of a pistol.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That'd be fun if I had access to either in a rifle

[@drewtibbe77]

I’d like to see you test that Federal Solid Core 10mm 200 grain! I did some testing on my own with it and so far I think it might be decent but I’m not 100% convinced. I don’t own a chronograph and I ran out of water jugs before I was able capture a round that penetrated water. They did penetrate 9.5” of 2x4s stacked and I was able to retain that bullet. With my last 6 water jugs they penetrated all 6, split them all down the middle and exited (I did not have anything in front of them). Any interest in that round?

[@danoneill2846]

He may have tested that back in the day

[@drewtibbe77]

@@danoneill2846 well I’m not sure because it’s relatively new. I think I came out last year? I’m actually at my cabin right now doing some more unscientific testing of it right now.

[@danoneill2846]

@@drewtibbe77 I think he tested 2 like that , 1 may have been a 190 gr JFP , Possible the other was 180 ?? Your talking about a copper solid ?? I will link the one if I can find it .

[@AlaskanBallistics]

If i can find some sure, but federal usually loads weak

[@danoneill2846]

@@drewtibbe77 This is likely not the one you were talking about . For a stock Glock barrel ( what I have ) this is the load I would likely use for bear . I would trust it to feed better than some of the Barrel shaped bullets .kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKLUcpacjqp7rpo

[@Gator-357]

I use my Ruger Alaskan in .460 S&W mag. for bear protection. My .357s are for edc

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Ruger Alaskan in .460?

[@heavyleadenthuasist38]

I'll carry my 357 in bear country if I have to and with hardcast ammo, btw that 10 mm is a pretty sweet gun. I think both are decent choices and you get faster follow up shots. The 10 mm has more capacity though so definitely something to consider. I did a test with some medium fast burning powder and I found a sweet spot with unique and the Lee 158 gr RF. I am pushing it 1200 fps out of a 4 inch ruger and it penetrated a dinner plate and 4 milk jugs. Also went through 8.5 inches of 2x4s. Recoil was pretty mild it just felt like a hot 38 special tbh.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Nice load

[@heavyleadenthuasist38]

@@AlaskanBallistics thanks I’m curious what powder do you like best with 10 mm?

[@danoneill2846]

@@heavyleadenthuasist38 I had good luck with Blue dot & 2400 as well as unique in 357 . 10mm = AA#9 , Power Pistol , unique .

[@heavyleadenthuasist38]

@@danoneill2846 never tried blue dot or power pistol but I love 2400 and unique in 357 magnum.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Starting to load 10mm now.. using power pistol for the these loads

[@PatRMG]

I'm partial to 10mm too.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

It loves you back

[@jackbauer9077]

Nice! I like the 10mm but I’d say .357 or 10mm would do the trick, depends what you shoot best. I could see packing the Glock as main side arm and maybe a snub/2-3” .357 for a backup gun. I only get close to black bears in Smokey mtns so I just go with 10mm, .357 sig, or a .40 S&w. And then pack a smaller 9mm for edc and switch from deep penetrators to HP’s when in town.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Definitely a good choice there!

[@h2recoveryteam2]

Outstanding. I have both and have wondered this. Honestly, I would pick up my 454 Casull. Because I do not own a S&W 500. But if out of the two you tested. 10mm All the way. Even if it fell behind the 357. Reason being. That Glock carries more than 6 rounds. LOL. Good job.

[@hunteranderson93]

10mm continues to impress!

[@BlueLakeRV]

I guess the question is, 140gr xtr penetrator or 220gr hardcast. Have you done a 10mm ammo shootout with the same target?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Have you seen this video? Close to what you want. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYezgYqDZrmWq6c

[@YellowHammer26]

Either would work but would prefer the 357 revolver👍👍

[@jamesridings1497]

The 357 is more readily available. I'll take the 357!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Really? Nothing but 10mm here...

[@davidbadger919]

Please consider a test using a 4" revolvers instead of a sixxer. Most opt for the easier to manage 4" revolvers compared to the weildy 6"

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Got one I can borrow?

[@dickeymoore4264]

I have both but carry the Glock 29 10mm for EDC!!!!

[@RadDadisRad]

For the hood bears and wood bears. 🤣🤣🤣

[@dickeymoore4264]

@@RadDadisRad Not just hood bears but all fool bears!!!!

[@texasbeast239]

@@RadDadisRad - Dang straight. 10 for the hood, 10 for the wood.

[@dickeymoore4264]

@@texasbeast239 And 10 to know you GOOD!!!!

[@marekburza7425]

I have changed over from hard cast .44 mags to ext penetrators for my bear protection needs this year

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I've got a whole playlist on xtreme penetrators vs. Hardcast. You might be surprised

[@jerryjohnsonii4181]

Awesome Bullets !!!!!!!!!!!!! I would still take the 357 magnum in my S&W 686-Plus TALO edition.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Fair enough. I've been carrying both

[@ericjohnson9193]

45-70 vs 12 gauge solid slug. Which one is better for bear protection?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I need to do that video but i say 45-70 because most slugs aren't waterproof

[@ericjohnson9193]

@@AlaskanBallistics I would have to go with the 12 gauge if I were in bear country. There are some wicked slugs out there. Either way they are both good choices. I’m just faster with a pump than a lever action. I look forward to seeing that comparison though for sure. Great video by the way.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

As long as you waterproof your shells, you're good.

[@RadDadisRad]

Holy shit! $11 price hike for the .357 over the 10mm

[@AlaskanBallistics]

BOught the 10mm a year ago

[@porkrind3512]

I grew up in Alaska and a 44mag & a 12g slugs would be the order of business. However I kinda like a 10mm, always wanted one. I understand the Finland ski patrol carry glock 20's for polar bear defense. I would certainly choose a 10mm before a 357mag for bear. Though I do have a box of 180g hard cast for my 357 mag.

[@mikeriv60]

Been carrying a .357 for over 30 years and not switching but enjoyable test. In all honesty both will ruin someone's day. Lol.

[@johnmunder7107]

Bears…great Dan, now the whole station is in jeopardy! That aside… I have the G20 and run the 200 grain Underwood. Good stuff.

[@rob10ring]

Shot to shot, it looks like either pushes an individual round deep enough.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed

[@Natedoc808]

Love my G20 so much I got a G29 for edc. I’ve got a couple loads in 155gr and 180gr that are below max charge that are well over 600ft lbs.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I've tested those 155grs on my 29 and got nearly 700 ft lbs.

[@Natedoc808]

@@AlaskanBallistics yup. The 10mm is the ideal auto pistol round IMO. When I first got into pistols some 17 years ago I got a .40 as that was LEO/FBI issue so ammo was cheap and readily available, so when I got the G20 I thought it was gonna be a bit more harsh to shoot but overall I love shooting the 10mm. It is a very smooth shooting round especially with medium burn powders even when you load it pretty hot. My favorite part is I can reload 40/10 on the same set of dies, same projectiles and same powders.

[@bigmike716]

I'd have to go 10mm. Carry G20 for EDC

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed

[@bretttingelstad7641]

I have a nice 44 mag load using 20 grains of 2400 if I am in Black Country, in big bear territory a 12 gauge pump with slugs and 00 buck is my primary, my 454 with 300 grain handholds at 1600fps is my backup if I need to pack lite or my 500 if I have room. Or if hunting a 300 mag with a pistol back up. 10mm and 357 have been used successfully several times on bear but I shoot big guns well and if its my ass on the line I leave the little guns at home.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Not a bad philosophy. How do you waterproof your 12ga slugs?

[@bretttingelstad7641]

@@AlaskanBallistics Lacquer on the primer and paraffin around the slug, still keep extra in a waterproof bag and don't swim with the gun. A failure could prove disastrous obviously.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you for the advice

[@dangerousfreedom4965]

That’s not particleboard that’s oriented strand board OSB.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you

[@teamstucker624]

Great video 👍 I have both rounds in multiple guns. I say ether round has great benefits in the woods down here in the lower 48.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Agreed

[@vashmatrix5769]

Definitely would go with the 10mm too.

[@mixedmarksman5873]

recoil management was so nice on these out my witness 10mm polimor functioned fine idk why you would want to carry anything else in the woods

[@AlaskanBallistics]

They're not a bad choice for sure

[@DOGFACESOLDIER0708]

The real question is has a 357 Magnum which full power loads ever been to Africa and taken down a cape buffalo in two shots. If not then it's no match against the 10mm whatsoever, because Razor Dobbs has with his Dan Wesson 5 inch barrel 10mm. He killed 2 cape buffalo with his 10mm

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's a good question

[@davidkaye6057]

I don’t own a .357 Sig rather I have several 44 mags, .357’s and 10mm but I wonder how the .357 sig would play out? Anybody have any practical experience in that caliber?

[@AlaskanBallistics]

It would do well with hardcast bullets. Wouldn't be my first choice, but it'd still work

[@williamcramer7623]

I have an old 357 mag with a 6 3/4" barrel. Have had this since 1979, it is my carry firearm when out of town. Very smooth and accurate. I have thought about getting a 10 mm, but have not decided yet. I have quick reloads for the 357, and continually practice with it. Since I also have a 357 lever action, it's handy.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's an awesome set up. Get the 10mm just for fun! Godspeed and thank you for commenting

[@williamcramer7623]

@@AlaskanBallistics Of course, if I go where there are bigger threats, I carry my 30.06, or my milsurp 8mm, that I have a scope on. I have thought about changing over to 10mm, as now I can get a Henry 10mm lever carbine, and get a sidearm in the same caliber. I am just used to the ones I have now though, they have served me well. I have not bought anything new in more than 20 years, and while what I have are old, I have kept them in great shape. My advantage is my son is a gunsmith. He has hepled me keep all my "stuff" in great working order. 10mm has been going in and out of popularity, while 357 has stayed relatively consistant. Thanks for your posts.

[@williamcramer7623]

@@AlaskanBallistics Also, I have always tried to keep tools that are necessarily specific to what is needed at that time, with not much extra. That way, I can concentrate on having plenty of the certain calibers I have. Living conservatively, while having plenty to accomplish the task at hand.

[@davekennedy6315]

That 10mm is an incredible round! I am amazed that its not become a near standard in a lot of situations? I'll admit that i actually thought the .357 Magnum was the better round across the board but its clearly same ways behind performance wise. Great test!

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Thank you. Technically the .357magnum is more powerful, see episode 2 in 357 vs 10mm, but the 10mm is certainly more than capable.

[@duanebauer8133]

10mm is the way to go and more has more rounds.

[@paulcritchfield6958]

True but also more likely to fail as revolver be less chance of jam ect...

[@AlaskanBallistics]

That's why you buy a quality 10mm

[@biggunshandguns3687]

@@paulcritchfield6958 you know I've been hearing that for years and with today semi autos that just doesn't seem to be a valid argument. If you keep your gun clean and use quality loads that you have tested a lot and you have trained a lot with that is really a none issue. The last time I had a problem is when American Eagle ammo didn't have any powder so how would that been better in a revolver the primer would be shoved the bullet between the cylinder and barrel keeping you from opening the gun or just pulling the trigger. I just don't buy that tired old argument

[@lw7238]

You're talking about ammo with no powder, not the gun. No gun will work with powerless ammo. Two different issues.

[@jgalloway3154]

@@paulcritchfield6958 True but if you miss with a revolver good luck on your reload and you will be under stress.

[@empireoflizards]

I guess it would boil down to which type firearm I was more comfortable with. Never shot a 10mm but my Dan Wesson 6" is certainly pretty snappy. On a side note, the .357 in 20" lever action is intriguing from what I've seen. I haven't measured .357 in mine yet but did measure .38 special 158gr. Federal; box says 770fps and I got over 980fps and it was louder than I expected, lol.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Awesome.

[@tompeterson7576]

10mm hits harder than the 357 mag.

[@bobjohnson1633]

10mm has heavier, slower bullets with less energy and less penetration. Most 10mm is loaded to 40s&w specs, anyway.

[@AlaskanBallistics]

@bobjohnson1633 10mm has penetrated more than .357 mag more in 4 out of 5 test videos here.

[@seethebutter]

10 mm is a beast

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Yes sir it is

[@paulcritchfield6958]

It boils down to more reliable or more shots. Both serve you well

[@AlaskanBallistics]

True but the GLock is so reliable that

[@dylanbrown3840]

100% Glock 10mm you get 15 rounds compared to 5-6 I'm the 357 with equal or greater ballistic performance

[@bdr32965]

Also the 10mm shoots at a flatter trajectory than most other rounds, and since .40 S&W is the little brother to 10mm it also shoots a flat trajectory as well

[@AlaskanBallistics]

Trajectory is about speed and b.c. I think the 9mm out to 100 or 150 is flatter

[@jacspring5459]

I would use my G20 Gen 4. 15 rounds - these are about the same performance really so I'd go with the immediate capacity of the Glock (with Wolf barrel).

[@AlaskanBallistics]

G40 shoots smoother, but yeah carried my g20 all over the arctic this past week