11.0.5 Frost Mage Guide - New Rotation | Talents | Spellslinger

[@Manather]

All bugs fixed, numbers and video fully accurate. Wowhead ST talents are marginally better in pure st. Talents: ST: www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/frost/spellslinger/DAPFZBVUQRUFQiRBVQCUENVVUVUYSZEEUUQAEFVVUCAQ Cleave: www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/frost/spellslinger/DAPFZBVUQRUFQiRBVQCUENVVUVVYQZFEUUQAEFVVUCAQ General M+: www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/frost/spellslinger/DAPFZBVUQRUFQiRBVQCUENVVUVVJQZVREBQAEFVVUCAQ High Keys (can drop frozen touch for frostbite): www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/frost/spellslinger/DAPFZBVUQRUFQiRBVQCUENVVUVVZQRVFERQAEFVVUCAQ

[@kernel98]

Can you post the WA for the magnified death's chill stacks too please?

[@Korverr26]

@Manather , any idea when this bug will be fixed and generate 6 instead of 4? Next Tuesday or earlier?

[@Manather]

@@kernel98 my wa package has a Deaths Chill tracker already, you can just make it bigger if you want

[@Manather]

@@Korverr26 whenever they decide, probably next week if I had to guess. There are probably more critical bugs that will be hotfixed this week. They also might keep the nerf in.

[@Korverr26]

@@Manather more critical bugs than our frost mage!? xD gotcha dang thanks bummer

[@denizzard]

Probably only great source for frost mage on the internet, ton of arcane guides, but our guy Manather.. frost hero!

[@corndogszn]

Training my brain not to just spam 2 for Ice Lance is something I need to work on

[@Pastrahmy]

Take your frostbolt icon and swap it with your ice Lance button

[@RogueParses]

I also keybind ice lance to 2 XD

[@Ncasiano1022]

Same, including the keybind. Feels so awkward to hold it lol

[@CristhianTR]

@@RogueParses same

[@Max-dv1kq]

its just pure logic to have 1. frostbolt, 2. icelance and 3. flurry

[@DarkConjurer34]

I’m glad we are casting frost bolt more but I feel like we went from one extreme to the other. Ignoring fingers of frost now feels bad.

[@exorder2005]

The old single target build where you go for Ice Lance talents and forego Coldest Snap and aoe talents for Ray is simming only like 50k bellow the bolter build. I'm using that over it, because the mobility with bolter is awful, and many fights require micromovement like Bloodbound Horror tentacles, Sikran swirlies, I could go on. I feel that even Ice Floes isn't enough. Plus, this bolter build goes completely against the philosophy behind the spec, we have 2 set and 4 set buffing our Ice Lances, we have a talent that extends Icy Veins from Ice Lances that we pick anyway with the bolter build and we've ended up ignoring all that and frostbolting, it's just awful design. Arguably having mobility gets you way more consistent results, and this bolter build is a clear nerf, I don't care what elitists say, you will rarely get the max dps out of this build in a long fight with a lot of movement requirement.

[@liquidroom347]

​@@exorder2005 can you share that build?

[@stonevv]

@@exorder2005 whats the talents for that build?

[@starryvacancy]

Thought exactly the same thing. Like...he's just churning out FoF in the video and they're just...sitting there most of the time. Which, obviously he knows his shit and isn't wrong for doing it, but it just FEELS bad. Like why is blizzard unable to design talents to work AS INTENDED. There is no way they designed this spec so that THIS is the way it's meant to be played. So frustrating.

[@DarkConjurer34]

@@exorder2005 do you have the talents for that older build because I can’t find it.

[@felipebarreto7080]

I dont know if i miss something, but the build doesnt have comet storm and u cast it on rotation + notepad... 🙄

[@tony9099]

I need help brother, when do i use glacial spike in aoe? I cant seem to understand it what is the “shatter” part what does glacial spike shatter?

[@dwilkz]

I CANT BELIEVE A GUIDE OF SUCH HIGH QUALITY IS AVAILABLE FOR FREE!

[@elireginato8037]

i find it so hard to track what mana is saying half the time

[@namikazemao2261]

Just finished watching the Full ST rotation and talents but coudln't wait to say thanks for such a nice guide! Also the mistake in about 10:00 actually helped me understanding the rotation more deeply

[@TheGoldenAngel82]

Man you are so fast! Thanks for the guide, looking forward to try it out tomorrow (EU)

[@moo349]

Meant to comment this earlier when the vid came out but didn’t have the time. Thank you so much for the awesome guide and the continuous support to your WA package. I couldn’t play mage without it 😂. I’ve been swapping between SF arcane and SS Frost depending on the content and I will say, this vid definitely helped me out on tonight’s mythic raid prog. 😅 with all the changes to arcane and its roto plus the SS arcane buffs, I was like, “I’m just gonna go back to frost till manather makes another guide” 😂 I’ve seen in other comments that you are planning on releasing an updated arcane guide which I am super looking forward too. The single target rotation for frost definitely felt a little “turrety” when I was in raid which was a drastic change from SS’ers last iteration. IDK pressing frostbolt is a nice change of pace especially since it’s actually dealing some damage now but I feel like FrB will get old REAL quick. Also I feel like if blizzard keeps cooking on frost, soon we will get DF season 3 4pc tier set on the talent tree. Fingers crossed 🤞

[@mopaxable]

In ST talents section you don't take Comet storm, yet it is in pure ST rotation. Can you please explain what I have misunderstood?

[@martinkarkovich3037]

Great guide!! I have a few questions: 1- In your demonstration your Frostbolt ST ended up doing less dps than the M+ ST, whats up with that? 2- Given that the hero talents already reset orb is there an argument to drop Ice Caller for more ST (or even Frostbite) and just rely on the resets? 3- How do we use spymaster as frost? Spam it on IV? 4- Are we using Ice Nova and Frost Nova to shatter GS on aoe? (sry if i missed it)

[@doctorferdinand1003]

Frost Nova is also really good to shatter if youre in close, since sometimes flurry is too slow to shatter.

[@zahef6516]

@manather

[@SheezyDeezy31]

Been wanting to learn Mage for awhile. Excited to learn it! Thank you for the awesome video!

[@twiggimmapiggus6695]

My husband had to endure hearing the same 10 second segment at .5 speed for about an hour straight as I committed the opener to memory, and now he's creating his very first mage 😂

[@HuggareN]

Hiya Mana, great video as always. I am about to kill Silken this coming reset and now with the changes I am a bit stumped for which one of the builds I should play.. Do you have any recommendations for both Silken and Ansurek?

[@Manather]

I'd probably play this for silken: CAEAjd9IgsSkCmGQ8vOmZtyV7YMbzsZBzwMzC8Az8AjGjZGzMmZmxMYmZmZGzMzMzYmBzMLz0Mz2sBBMzstssMz0GAAAAAAGAAAAAAAAA But tbh I'm not entirely sure, the movement from spellslinger was pretty integral to good dmg during i2, and not having chain reaction/freezing winds hurts for that purpose. But DC, cold front, and ray are very good on this fight. This would also have you not doing the frostbolt rotation. Ansurek tbd.

[@HuggareN]

@@Manather Thank you for the answer! IS the reason we wouldn't play boltslinger with this build because we dropped frozen touch and also due to mostly 2T cleave? Even when it's the one target dmg amps? So it woudl jsut be the opener to get the stacks and then we play the cleave rotation from there or?

[@cyborgtemplar1989]

@@HuggareN if i were to guess based on his prior answer. it has to do with mobility. a very frost bolt heavy with glacial spikes using limited ice lances. would be punished quite heavily on a fight with high movement. but something using ice lances with procs, and ice floes + ray of frost and it's subsequent dual ice lances would be far more mobile.

[@veselinrankov7322]

Yeah im sticking to fire and arcane, this ST looks degeneate af unfortunately. I miss Legion frost mage, Ebonbolt, my love...

[@cyborgtemplar1989]

last expansion had pretty good frost rotation as well. I really liked the playstyle of frost during DF. this isn't overly degenerate I don't think, but a bit too reactive for my taste

[@hkanylmz]

Thanks to you, I'm really improving myself. You're awesome! Appreciate all the info. Greetings from Turkey!

[@garrettwestley9817]

So in 2-target cleave, you are saying that if your current target has one stack of winter's chill, and you are ready for a GS with a flurry ready, to tab target to the second target, cast GS into flurry so that it shatters both, yeah?

[@Kelgorr]

I was unsure on this as well as he didn't specifically say. I wondered if it was more that it meant our main target would then have no winter's chill making them ready for a flurry combo with our next ice lance shattering the 2nd winter's chill on the 2nd target at the same time?

[@Aka_t0ku]

I love your videos and the clarity you provide. I seem to be having issues with getting the plater profile to import can you point me in the right direction as it wont load into plater or WA via the import functions.

[@m4rkgrech]

Great review mate, one of the best Frost mages specs and reasoning behind it. Thanks!

[@aydin4127]

When i do frostbolt-flurry (I spam my flurry key- but not actually cast the second flurry, i spam the flurry key during the first flurry animation) sometimes it generates 3 and even 4 icicles. So that means sometimes i can frostbolt-flurry-glacial spike.(going from zero icicles to five instantly.) Do you know why is that?

[@muratgur7909]

you say on single target we dont use "comet storm" than on the notepad you say we use comet storm for ST?

[@davidhalvorsen4878]

Probably a sitty question, BUT. So used to consuming ice lance procs when you get them. We dont do that anymore?

[@devinstickley4905]

thanks mana, appreciate you getting it out ASAP

[@henryh2086]

Great work I had no idea about the new frostbolt to 8 stack meta

[@amelvin32]

@9:49 You might of explained it, and I didn't catch it, but why after glacial spike are you only ice lancing once, and not twice to consume the last stack of winters chill? Instead you are consuming last stack with frost bolt.

[@JackHopkinson-h3n]

if he has a flurry charge leftover its ice lance x2, if not its ice lance into frostbolt for a chance at brainfreeze i think

[@GeorgMaUlWurf]

now that you dont play deaths chill anymore, can you do an update for 11.07? love the content

[@GeorgMaUlWurf]

holdon it's 11.05 rn

[@Samp734]

Noticed frosfire lacking, damn! Takes me ages to learn a rotation lmao. Cheers for the vid

[@Blackdocks]

Coming back to the game after 4 xpack out of it. rotation feels to be on another omg. Tried arcane but i really don't like it. Trying to go for Frost but i have an issue understanding the prio / relationship of icelance, feels like i am using it way too much. If i'm understanding this correctly I should icelance only if target has 2 stacks of WC, ok but for the 1 stack if I have glacial spike and flurry up its GS > IL right ?

[@4tailsmx]

Hi All! There are 3 things I don't get, i hope you can help me out here... 1) When am I supposed to use Ice Lance EXACTLY? Cause most of the times we are just stacking them endlessly but sometimes I see it's being casted out of nowhere, so I don't understand xD 2) When should I use Frostbolt into Flurry? Most of the rotation looks like it's pure frostbolts into glacial spike into flurry and repeat... but sometimes I see that Frostbolt into flurry also pretty random imo, shouldn't we save flurry for glacial spike only? 3) and last... how am i supposed to land the glacial spike without the need of casting flurry, using the winter's chill effect? cause see... when i'm building up the icicles for the glacial spike, I'm obviously casting either frostbolt or ice lances, and those spells consume the winter's chill effect, so there is never a window for a glacial spike with winter's chill unless I previously cast a flurry, or right after.... do i explain myself right here? XD

[@starryvacancy]

When you are FBing to build icicles, you are also proc'ing BF procs usually, which gives you 2 stacks of WC.

[@MrKoook]

Now you talk! Freaking awesome job my friend, sorry for the previous comment. You ROCK now!

[@martinjaehrling]

I don't understand how to comet storm twice with cone of cold. When i comet storm -> cone of cold-> orb then i stil have 20 second cooldown on my comet storm.

[@yuchenli7336]

What if you are at 5 shards, with only able to cast frostbolt and glacial spike? Do we spike knowing there is no shatter, or we keep frostbolting and wait for procs and spike&flurry?

[@pavelhostacny7007]

Yeah..I was wonderind about it too 😢

[@sanksen5763]

keeping this comment here to get an update :)

[@SirJamezTown]

I don't fully understand the whole tab targeting flurry thing? Is it, when one target has winters chill and you have another flurry available you would spike flurry the other target so they both have winters chill and get hit with spike? BC if so holy cow that's a lot to keep track of...lol for me anyway I guess... 1) watch their stacks, hope flurry has a 2nd charge, tab spike/flurry. I'm assuming the answer to that is get better? lol

[@Mulgoro]

Did the stat priority also changed? Should we now stack crit+haste instead of mastery haste?

[@trashed4933]

This build is not being used in raid at all you are insane for releasing this video

[@dtrgilmore]

Still waiting to see this used in raid. It's up on a bunch of guides but seems like it's not being used so leaves me a bit confused about whether it's actually the play.

[@louislacroix4864]

Am I allowed to say that the new ST raid rotation is a bit degen? It feels somehow worse than Frostbolt rotation before the frost mage rework in DF 10.1.5. Great vid as always though, very helpful, thank god you're here to help us navigate though it.

[@davidw.5984]

Nice guide, love it! Just one question - why do you sometimes frostbolt into 2nd wc and sometimes just use a FoF? (outside IV)

[@IINoisesII]

Ray of frost is played a lot in Logs, the API uses it while icy veins is this correct?

[@hyperrelle]

After switching to arcane at the start of the expansion, I just cant bring myself to re-learn frost. Blizzard need to stop changing things, its so exhausting. Appreciate the guide though

[@leandrobvs08]

One question. I have glacial spike ready but no flurry no nothing... shifting power on CD everything on CD. I keep spamming FB until I get a flurry proc to FB+Flurry then Glacial spike even if it takes 4-5 FBs to proc.

[@Manather]

yep, though if not in the raid build you'd use your fof too

[@chloebarthelemy2963]

you are awesome, i wasn't expecting this video so soon!

[@fulldrawpainting]

Question, I still dont understand the basic combo. Flurry says it applies winters chill with each hit, but the buff only applies 2? If you frostbolt before flurry lands, shouldn't that only leave 1 winters chill remaning? Please explain it to me like im a toddler 😂

[@aydin4127]

Because when frostbolt is in the air flurry starts to hit the target and instantly freezes it. Frostbolt damages it like it is frozen. Flurry hits before the frostbolt and finishes hitting the target after the frostbolt.It is like a bug . You can think it like you are casting Flurry- Frostbolt-Flurry. So in the end it always has 2 stacks remaining.

[@sth3870]

Sooo, im confused, you say you only use Glacial Spike if the target has Winters Chill, but later i see you use Glacial Spike with Flurry casted after i dont understand the difference in this. As in, why not wait and use Flurry first followed up by the Glacial Spike? Or will it also shatter if you cast Flurry instantly after? And after Icy Veins is off cd you use Ice lance into the shatters if you have 2 Flurry charges, so lets say you have applied Flurry, have 2 snowflakes cast 2 ice lances (no Spike to use) re apply flurry and then go for frostbolts if you dont have a flurry charge left?

[@Manather]

It will also shatter if you flurry after it. If youre doing the raid rotation you would frostbolt with 1 snowflake left and no flurry charges.

[@iltiotr]

Great guide, thanks, althought I don't quite understand the reason behind 8th line priority list ST, could you clarify it please

[@wordsareblue]

wow man thank you for the ui and wa's and everything! immediate sub! :)

[@Janu2TheGamer]

Addons and UI pages are not allowed on my country. Could you please share them on somewhere too?

[@lolcat5303]

Question - the Wowhead guide simply says to use frostbolt in Icy Veins from what I can tell, so is the "use it until 8 death's chill" just a refinement on that? Also, what's the reason for only using ice lance on 1 Winter's Chill + Brain Freeze? Would it be preferrable to use Frostbolt without the BF? Is it so you have a flurry ready for your next frostbolt/Glacial Spike cast? Cheers.

[@Manather]

It would be a refinement. As for ice lancing with 1 WC and BF, its because if you frostbolt there you have a chance to overcap flurries, and we dont necessarily need another flurry since we already have one.

[@lolcat5303]

@@Manather Nice, thanks for explaining. Seems like you found a way to get some ice lance back in there during IV. :p

[@masai22400]

Im a bit confuse as of why we are not using comet storm during icy veins, i tried to find the info on ur last video but i guess im stupid :x

[@VileVamp]

Ill miss old slinger, reminded me of packed ice.

[@doctorferdinand1003]

Same, sending winters chill constantly was so much fun. The mobility was amazing.

[@MoxNixTV]

Trying my nand at Mage after playing since Vanilla, so excuse the stupid question. Why do you not put a point in Comet Storm, but instead put a point in Glacial Assault, which appears to be related to Comet Storm? It seems, at face value, to be a wasted point, as Glacial Assault will never occur if Comet Storm is not chosen. Thanks. Love the guide!!

[@Manather]

Lets breakdown glacial assault: It applies a 6% dmg inc debuff on the enemy when comet storm hits a mob. Thats fully reliant on comet storm. It has a secondary part, where everytime flurry hits a mob, it has a chance to call down a comet. Which also applies the 6% dmg inc debuff, and does a small amount of damage. So, though its related to comet storm its other effect is strong enough for us to take it even without comet storm.

[@peterakesson5765]

Is the Death’s Chill stacks indicator in the updated WA pack. Or something else?

[@Manather]

Deaths chill has been in my WA package for a while

[@sonnywhite1337]

Just wanted to let you know that the WA link to "search for them individually" yields "No results found, try changing the search mode or query" on the WAGO page. And one question: Since Splinterstorm is not generating Winter's Chill anymore, I can throw this WA out with the purple-flakes and Splinterstorm prediction right? Spliterstorm is more like a passive now and we should get as many as possible but not using it active anymore during that IL spam. Did I get that correctly?

[@Manather]

Yep can get rid of that WA

[@CornhulioGER]

In single target, why is Frostbolt above Ice Lance with FoF up(when Flurry on CD). Yet we cast Ice Lances into Winter's chill, instead of Frostbolts? Because we might munch Brain Freezes(/Winter's Chill)?

[@Manather]

FoF does nothing for spellslinger, doesnt generate splinters and doesnt get you closer to winters chill to generate more splinters. Turns out tying everything to winters chill consumption is a very bad idea (definitely brought up in beta but wcyd). Consuming winters chill is a different matter and thats a balance of damage done by the spell vs value of winters chill uptime vs chance to get another flurry for ice lance vs frostbolt.

[@kendry375_6]

if no ice lance use now, whats the point of the tier set?? 😐😐😐

[@Manather]

M+

[@kendry375_6]

@@Manather ig but limiting a tier set to a certain type of activity is kinda dumb

[@dawn5399]

at 9:22 why do you frostbolt and not ice lance there?

[@dawn5399]

and at 10:00 as well i dont really understand (why is that a mistake)?

[@Tiermark]

It looks like when you pre-cast frb/gs before flurry, it's not consuming the Winter's Chill proc. Are they still benefiting from Winter's Chill?

[@Manather]

it hits between flurry projectiles and consumes one, but your winters chill is refreshed back to two stacks by the last flurry projectile

[@Tiermark]

@Manather Ah, I see. Thank you!

[@swordos615]

will you also do an arcane guide? (maybe with simplified vs advanced barrage conditions separately)

[@Manather]

Yep, probably by this weekend

[@matiasdelrio4764]

Manather, ty again for a great guide. Just one question. Minute 21:10 you say that ignore GS because you don't have flurry. Is that the rule? It is not worth to cast GS without winter's chill?

[@TheShyOne__]

its more worth to fish for flurry cast with frostbolt and then use GS

[@galbarami990]

great guide as always! but i didn't fully understood the icelance rotation because you said you ice lance only when you have 8 stacks of death's chill or higher but in most of the filler after the icy veins i see you ice lance alot into flurry although you didn't had any death's chill stacks and also sometimes even icelance once and then frost bolt (same rotation as season 1 DF) so those part i didn't really understood why you done them if you maybe could explain it :)

[@benjaminblace5459]

At 15:56 you cast a gs but no flurry , no pet freeze or ice nova so how did you shatter your gs?

[@Manather]

It was a mistake, which is what I say at the time "This is a bad glacial spike because I cant shatter it"

[@benjaminblace5459]

@@Manather oh Man sorry i taught you had some secret tech to shatter

[@SanHoloYouTube]

Hey please make a vid about your addons and config

[@Rockernaap]

Hey, will you also be making a video for arcane?

[@KingPuresol]

Any notes for what kind of stat balence we should go for?

[@arkose7720]

rotations are getting to be too much.

[@rgaegal]

I wasnt playing this for over 3 years now. Can someone explain me what is that 2 blue snowflakes right top of icicles

[@Manather]

Winters chill, from flurry

[@xerrath8029]

above 5 targets is it still worth using glacial spike?

[@boudaa13]

Hey, do you think arcane spellslinguer is good enough now?

[@Pahheut]

any tip for avoiding pulling things that are out of combat with splinterstorm ? kinda not running spellslinger cuz of that bug rn

[@Manather]

Nothing you can do about it

[@joshuawoodard6998]

So doesn't IV run out way faster w/o 2 il after fb/flurry combo? I guess the dps difference makes it not matter?

[@Manather]

Correct

[@D1rtrider911]

Why cant they make splinters hit your current target only? This is wild and causing a ton or problems...

[@Googlrr]

This new rotation is so much nicer than the IL spam but I still will always miss S3/4 of DF. It feels so dirty consuming the last WC with frostbolt

[@notoreusly]

When you say pushing keys, what is that to you? +10 and higher? Something else?

[@Manather]

Itd be relative to the time in the season, but basically just mobs living most of your icy veins is a good time to swap to dc

[@shysaxguy]

updated fire and arcane guides coming? im probably going to raid as frost or fire because i dont know how to play arcane anymore lol. Appreciate the updated frost guide as always, super timely as well

[@Manather]

arcane for sure -- might wait till the tuning changes for next week are announced. Fire hasnt changed playstyle wise, just talents really it seems.

[@RoCJumpyZ]

Any chance we can get a arcane guide like this one please ?

[@itsKyyyle]

Thanks again for the mage content, you’re the goat! Just wondering - not consuming brain freeze proc while you’re casting FrB seems to go against conventional frost knowledge (from the past) - don’t you risk munching a potential additional brain freeze proc? Or is it because in this current iteration of the spec, maximizing your flurry charges and efficiently consuming winters chill is just better dps?

[@Manather]

The only time to not consume brain freeze when casting frostbolt, is if winters chill is already on the target. Because then frostbolting into flurry has no extra value.

[@Atwa12]

Already getting into the new rotation, thanks mate :)

[@TheBenSheeGaming]

but if these icycles on aoe just target random things. doesn't that do that same in a dungeon? won't it pull literally the whole first room on necrotic wake for example?

[@Manather]

Generally should not target out of combat mobs, their function hasnt changed. They worked like this before the patch.

[@Yamidh09]

pls explain why you sometimes in the filler rotation singel target you use sometimes 2 ice lance and than 1 lance 1 frostbolt but dont tell why i wanna understand ^^ ty

[@Manather]

I used 2 ice lances if I had a flurry charge. That is specifically for raid st talents. You can view the m+ section for the st when not taking frostbolt talents.

[@curry_online]

So in M+ on a ST boss, do you bother trying to build Deaths Chill stacks?

[@Manather]

No

[@brelshar4968]

I really don't mind not taking Ray of Frost now, it felt very clunky to use. Shifting Power did feel really good to use, in my opinion it should be buffed to fire off four shards as baseline.

[@Spibi]

Thanks for the guide, i have a question tho my guild was coming to end of ovinax prog and was playing frost and now its getting changed what would you play on that specific boss talent tree wise or should i go arcane instead since its going to come out busted mayhaps ?

[@Manather]

If you can play arcane its looking kind of busted now. But can also just play the key build for ovinax with the still ice lancing and be good.

[@Spibi]

@@Manather ok, ty i'll try to minimize the diffrence for prog probably.

[@christophervelasquez2063]

So Manather, we use Glacial spike in AoE if we get 5 icicles? as long as we cna shatter it, with WC or Ice Nova, Ele freeze?

[@Manather]

Yes, but always prio shattering it with winters chill.

[@christophervelasquez2063]

@@Manather okay, cool thanks! Always look forward to your videos and opinions.

[@joelmansson9637]

So you only use ice lance when u are at 8 stacks with death chill and do you keep using ice Lance until the boss i dead or for how long do you use ice lance after 8 stacks

[@Manather]

Only relevant to Raid ST build, but you would then start using ice lances with 2 remaining winters chill, and also on 1 if you have a flurry charge.

[@mellowsunset7730]

I feel like single target is the “turret frost mage” of SL final season that just casts frost bolt gs which is fine on the target dummy but punishes you hard on movement when ice lance is weak.

[@1smiciklas1]

What is your opinion on the frost mage current 2set,4set.With these changes do we deserve a rework.Is it worth to ditch it for higher ilv?

[@Manather]

Not worth to ditch, good in m+, hopefully they fix our raid/spec talents to not be ass so we dont frostbolt so much.

[@lorewind]

Thank you for this guide!

[@sanksen5763]

Jo, nice guide as always! :) Quick question: 624 ilvl, doing 10/11 keys so far. Is that what you consider playing DC-build? And if I go with DC-build, do I understand you right that for ST (bosses mostly) I will do the rotation of ST-Raid? Thanks man !

[@Manather]

ST raid is only for full st raid talents. If you take DC in M+ you ignore stacking it outside of aoe. But you can just play the non-dc build always.

[@sanksen5763]

@@Manather oh okay, so I will just do the "ST non frostbolt prio" rotation even if I have DC skiled, right? I do not care to stack DC while doing Bosses in M+ with this build, correct?

[@Manather]

@@sanksen5763 correct

[@Fib3R21]

4:13 - what is Frb in the opener?

[@Gunsnroses991]

frostbolt...

[@gnoozii6912]

Frostbolt

[@littledan392]

Wow that was fast! Should we expect something for fire?

[@TTlvY]

Thank you as always!! Hope you get crazy views with frost being on top. Could you share the updated weak auras after SS change? Edit: I see you updated thank you o/

[@jonhara]

why do u not comet storm in the opener before icy veins and press iv before comet storm lands?

[@Manather]

You want to press icy veins before your frostbolt lands for a dc stack

[@jonhara]

@@Manather yeah i meant the build without DC wasn't sure about it

[@Manather]

@@jonhara you can then, but it wont make much difference.

[@dominotrix]

I miss the Shadowlands Frost rotation, where you would turn into a tall Undead and spam Frostbolt Volleys.

[@wojtek715]

Hello, when is the best time to use spymasters web active ability? Both raid and m+

[@Manather]

Use in last icy veins of the fight in raid or if youll get another max use. For m+ just over 20 stacks with good pull and coc, or 40 in lust.

[@tudorhurjui8618]

Very cool video bro , waiting for fire guide for patch 11.05 !

[@leonardojosepolosolano1131]

It was not clear to me when to use the spike in the aoe rotation

[@Aleksandar1902]

So i was wondering why do you stop at 8 stacks of Deaths chill on ST? Is there any reason why dont you go for 15 stacks? I didnt use that talent in really long time. And is it just me or having 4 rotations is a bit 2 much? :)

[@Manather]

15 would just take too long in st, its cost vs reward.

[@Aleksandar1902]

@@Manather Ok ty. I hope to see one for arcane very soon :)

[@charlietannous160]

is there anywhere we can download the rotations on your note pad?

[@shna427]

thanks for the video, why never cast comet storm while in IV?

[@Manather]

Not worth compared to stacking deaths chill or generating more splinters. Only in st.