DIY Real Home Theater Speakers for $500 - Cinema 6

[@ThisIsBIGIyan]

Can you make a 4 way klipsch speaker

[@justaskdad]

My friend, I love your work and the fact that you help others build their own for less otherwise unattainable. I have been in the construction remodeling business for 30 years, one word of "Advice" Please invest in a dust collection system. I would love to continue seeing your projects for many years to come. Keep up the great work!

[@brianraulerson5037]

I'll give you a thumbs up just for the Happy Gilmore reference.

[@Toid]

Haha! The Price is Right...Brian! 😉

[@MPB.491]

Very nice workmanship....good looking, good finish....Thanks for posting the great video, The black and orange are really matching and contracting colors....Would be useful if you have some time for listening test, non of your videos have listening test...I am not sure how it sounds if I wanted to make one...Thanks again for posting the video..

[@lionhrt9]

As you know I built 3 of your KL-650s and we freaking love the way they sound and look in our theater. So now what I'm thinking is building 2 of these for the front left and right and take 2 of the kl-650 back for the surrounds!!! Sounds like an awesome winter project, thanks again for what you do!!!

[@Toid]

You did an excellent job on those!

[@shaywarren]

I'm curious what you upgraded from. I'm definitely new to this but would like to upgrade all of my speakers

[@lionhrt9]

@@shaywarren I've got klipsch surrounds in livingroom and that's what I started with in theater room.

[@danashay]

Woof. That. Was. Magnificent. Nice shop. Great video. Please carry on!!

[@CreizaiOne]

Ya killed it man, love the orange. Absolutely going to build these the first chance I get

[@JukeboxAlley]

Love the orange, reminds me alot of some of the jbl models. A purple set with white drivers would be really sharp also.

[@Vercus100]

These aren't $500/pair speakers anymore. Just the B&C drivers, horns, and the four woofers are $460 alone, not counting wood, crossover components, cabinet fill, or input terminals. Probably more like $700-800/pair realistically.

[@MikeHF]

They cost more than $250.00 per speaker when you consider the time and labor it took to build them! Not to mention the cost of the tools used to build them! I'll buy used already built thank you very much! ProAc Response 3.8s for $1300.00 a pair! Ebony cabs! Perfect condition! New back in the mid 90s the ProAcs cost $7200.00!!!!!

[@meams2176]

Editing on this video is very good! keep up the good work 👍

[@DIYAudioGuy]

I think I need to build a set! Are you going to design matching surround speakers?

[@Toid]

I'm working on building the cinema 10 which use a 10-in woofer paired with this top end. They're based off of commercial rear speakers.

[@maafeustyle]

Love them! Thanks for the build video. I'll definitely be building these for my soundstage. Thank you again for the videos and all your knowledge! As this will be my first full speaker build, thanks for providing the confidence! Much appreciated.

[@randallross2226]

Great video! This is probably my 5th time watching. Looking forward to building these 👍

[@eddieblanquiz2542]

Hey duder! Thank you so much for this! I would love to build this but I keep getting a 404 error when trying to look up the plans? Any info would be great. Thanks.

[@rykerhasyounow]

Great build. I always run some mechanical fixings in MDF builds as the glue holds, but only the first mm of material. I find stiffness and rigidity is improved substantially if I glue n screw.

[@incredifunk]

I'd personally use birch

[@chuckmaddison2924]

​@bricebowlin8834 There is a good reason for not using wood of any kind. MDF , chip board is a stable material and won't twist. Also, it is a dead material which is essential for control of resonance.

[@CrazyWillification]

Awesome build. Tap tap taparoo

[@niharadawade4442]

Thank you Nick,your videos are always inspirational...!!

[@somerandomguy8564]

Very similar to the Denovo audio 88 Specials. Good job with these.

[@mikkelkirketerp4884]

So if one had to choose between these and your blue JBL clones, which would you choose? For my I'm going to build a cinema at around 3.75x6m, going to be 7.x.4. I think i can see an advantage of these speakers, and i Guess they'd be easier to have as surround channels as well, to keep that nice coherent sound. Then for atmos it could perhaps be the same horn and just one midwoofer, and just cross them at 120-150hz instead

[@delvinharrington9280]

Hey I'm new to the home theater community. I'm building one myself but I fell in love with your D. I. Y speakers are the cinema 6 build plan still available?

[@hi-fihaven2257]

Awesome speakers man! I really enjoyed the video.

[@wiredforstereo]

Plans link isn't active. Do the Cinema 10s replace these?

[@Toid]

They have

[@roberthartzell7104]

Happy Gilmore reference 🤔😂😂 you sleigh me.👍

[@shawnwade4062]

This was the design I was thinking of using for a center channel when you did your original build! Do you prefer this style for your left and right channel over the stacked woofers?

[@Toid]

I do. You can still put these on the side just like the originals. But I like the way these sound better.

[@fat_dubs]

It seems there is no info or plans anymore about this "cinema 6" in your website. Is there a way to buy the plans? Amazing built

[@ElCidPhysics90]

How would these work for surrounds and maybe even atmos, assuming I could get them mounted on the ceiling? Planning on building the Audience 212s for LCR.

[@icdjpr]

What do you think of this same arrangement and adding a 12" under the mids and make it a 3way?

[@rcdude86]

Hey toids. Have you thought about making a klipsch rc7? And make it a vertical as well? I think it would be similar but i like the vertical woofer horn woofer when then flow vertical. The rc7 is q 2.5 way cross over so not sure how that works.

[@supergimp2000]

What happened to the plans for these? I'm looking around for a HT build for a dedicated custom HT with a commercial style LCR in a THX wall behind an AT screen. These look like they might be great in that application.

[@BryceJohnson-le5hi]

I looked all over through your videos but am having trouble finding how to measure speakers for xsim. It would be really nice If you made a video on how to measure speakers to import into xsim. Via DATS and REW or whatever. I'm trying to build your eminence towers with the 15" Omega Pro woofers but don't have headroom to make them as tall as you designed them. Do you think If I ordered your crossover design for the towers would that work in a smaller enclosure. or is there going to be significant impedence changes because of the box design that would throw off the crossover you designed for that

[@DIV7777]

where are the plans for this speakers ?

[@donjaun540]

These speakers you build are so nice. Do you sell flat pack? Nice

[@arena_rock_man9030]

What would be better for home theater, The Sound Stage 15 clones or the Cinema 6?

[@Toid]

The Sound Stage 15's are better overall. They are really good at music and sound great at movies. So as a whole, they are a better overall speaker.

[@lo_fye]

What’s the RMS & peak wattage on those? Love the colors, too!

[@Orthodoxuk]

Hi, why can't we get access to the plans in the UK? Comes up 404 or too many requests.

[@FSXgta]

7:35 that bug got sprayed xD

[@Toid]

Haha! Yeah he did

[@stephennielsen2134]

Wow I didn’t know Heinz Mustard could be use for glue.HaHa 😂Cheers 🍻🇨🇦😎Eh.

[@mcagle61]

I wish you would come up with a similar design based with on the Ugly's. Use a horn mid and stop. Or add a uhf driver for top end. The 6 inch version of the woofers would be good, but the 8's would be killer.

[@Toid]

That's an interesting idea

[@diamondgeorge7460]

Gr8 channel! But what do you do with all these speakers that you build🥲

[@Huntmx24]

what is better these or the jtr diy you did?

[@erikrabinowitz1551]

Which woofers were used? I missed that

[@esgumelado3740]

Do you think it would be good if i use Jbl D220ti 80w Rms 109 Db driver replacing the ones you used?

[@SuperCaptainMOo]

Why was this removed from your website???

[@joppepeelen]

that curve looks really nice !

[@jimdeitch321]

More of as request than a suggestion here. It would be just grand if I could purchase the panels already cut and routed and with just some hand finishing ready for assembly, Any chance? Or perhaps you might direct me somewhere such is available. Thanks

[@Toid]

I can cut whatever you need. Just let me know what it is you want. contact me via my business e-mail [e-mail]

[@SharkRangler]

Do you feel like you could stretch these out to a long sound-bar style home center channel? It would work better for those of us who have narrower spaces between out entertainment center and TV? This and the 1.0 version you've made are some of my favorite of your vids.

[@Toid]

Thank you Anthony. I appreciate hearing that. You could do something like that. However, the crossover would need to be modified. But it definitely is doable.

[@pelone01]

I was thinking of the same thing. Having an shorter wider M-T-M version for the center channel would be very cool. If anybody does that, I'd be interested in hearing about what was changed.

[@areynol]

I'm looking forward to the cinema 10s that you've mentioned next! I want to buy plans asap and start building, but the crossover part is something I have no clue about. Is that portion easy to follow in your plans?

[@erichayes9003]

Would these be good for LCR SPEAKERS

[@Toid]

Yes. That’s what they were originally designed for. Just keep in mind these will have a more narrow dispersion. If you like a wider fuller sound, then I would recommend the cinema 10.

[@truthisinconsciousness4342]

Hi, great video! I made a comment on your other video about Klipsch speakers. I think everybody making their own Klipsch speakers should make a speaker that Klipsch continues to make. I wanted to make a pair of Klipsch Heresy 4 speakers. Instead of making them a ported design I wanted to make them with passive radiators. Then I will also order the genuine Klipsch tweeters, drivers, and crossovers straight from Klipsch. I always upgrade the speaker cables on the crossovers because I got 3 times more power output, clarity, definition, and better imaging. I too strategically place the polyfil for better air flow. My Klipsch Synergy F1 speakers sounded harsh with the tweeters and the mid/bass drivers would bottom out and pop with the stock wires on the crossovers. I could only turn it a hair above the 9 o’clock position as the mid/bass drivers would bottom out and pop. I soldered in 14awg Monster Cable XP with magnetic flux tube and I then could turn the volume up to the 2 o’clock position distortion free with far greater clarity, definition, and output. I also used the all in one Bi-wire Z series cables that blew away all of the other cables I tried. Those Monster power current filters work awesome as well. Anyone who thinks better cables and capacitors don’t make a difference in the sound are Egotistical delusional people in denial of reality as a whole. The current filter and cables made an incredible difference. I wouldn’t have been happy without making the necessary upgrades. Now my $550 pair of Klipsch Synergy F1 speakers sound better than all of the other speakers I had costing way more!

[@ronnyshoots]

have you covered the making of the crossover? In other words what are the parts and how are they wired

[@Toid]

It's all covered in the plans

[@jhartwells]

Why not put shallow channels for the brace to slide in for perfect alignment?

[@SqueamishPuppet]

I'd love to make these! I'd been looking at the monoprice in walls and the Klipsch. But the Klipschs are so expensive and sorta hard to find. These would be really cool!

[@carlosoruna7174]

Ahh. Early 80s lascalas. Cheap. 1800 a pair. In basic black best sounding speaker I ever heard. Driven with a nak 620 amp

[@ttonAb2]

Do you have an alternative waveguide you could recommend, the one in this build is discontinued? Thanks!

[@KyleMahaney]

This. Still in stock in a few places but alternatives would be appreciated.

[@dantheman20127667]

Looks like the kids got to your dust covers on the left side haha

[@cliftonfriese18]

great video, tried to purchase the plans, but log in issues. didn't send confirmation to my email.

[@Techdiscussed]

Would it also be possible to put the woofers next to the waveguide? for the center? And or above the woofers for L & R? I don't have the space for such a big square, but they look awesome!

[@zackthemuscleman]

I would also love an answer for this??

[@naturalverities]

Those are gorgeous! But I've never been able to see the sense of pairing a horn oriented for broader horizontal coverage with twin midbasses oriented for broader vertical coverage. In my entirely possible ignorance it seems like a nod to a wrongheaded tradition. Sure looks cool, though!

[@AntonioGarcia-xk6jd]

if you where to buy a speaker that can be identical on all channels minus the center channel & Sub's of course , for a 7.2.6 speaker surround setup. choosing (3) different ((( 1st, 2nd , 3rd place ))) pre-build's & (3) D.I.Y from Part Express what would you're recommendations be. can you include 3 chooses from both category's for the budget / value person in mind ...

[@SarahStaar]

Just wondered why the plans are no longer available for purchase

[@Toid]

@@SarahStaar I’m reworking this

[@TexasCorgiGun]

Are they good for music ?

[@TheNicomachean]

Firstly, thanks for making these plans available! I was stoked to discover one could build such high quality speakers. Secondly, would it be possible to build these with a shallow depth, and is so, how shallow could you go?

[@floydian68]

Would these work for The entire surround sound system? Front, Left, Right, Surrounds? Do they require a subwoofer?

[@Toid]

You could utilize these for all five speakers. There's definitely people that have done that. I've used them as fronts and rears and they do a great job. You will want a subwoofer with these. They're not really designed to go below 80 HZ.

[@ugurozturk2692]

hey brother, all is good but how can ı find speaker box plan?

[@Toid]

The plans are in the description of the video

[@PaulSelka-b9b]

What subs do you use with them?

[@Toid]

I designed some dual 21” sealed subwoofers. They are called Earthquake 21 and I built them on the channel

[@cranixten2620]

What is the mounting depth of that compression driver? I would like to make these in a in wall design. Behind a screen

[@joshuasterling2144]

Tron is that show off piece for audio and video...

[@criptofer187]

I dont have much room for speakers this size, but I like the design. Could you make a down sized version?

[@K-Effect]

At Parts Express have you checked out the new GRS 12SW-4HE 12" subwoofer? It's $39.90. I doubt you'll find another subwoofer that will beat it for the price

[@Toid]

Yeah it looks like a really great subwoofer. It does suffer from needing a large box

[@monsta21cb]

i asked on the thread figured i would ask here can i use 8 inch instead of 6 inch would it still work with this crossover

[@blackwolfjr1909]

I love DIY stuff and I really must say I love the speakers I've never even heard of them before but I would really like to hear what they sound like you know what type of response are you getting from them you know I see the the grass I mean the grass is great and all but nothing beats hearing them then just reading the graph and what they dropped down to and what frequency responses that they respond to and what's good and what's not you know hearing them is always great cuz you're actually making me want to build a pair of a pair of them but I do have one question are you building the third one as a center Channel because I was wondering about what you were saying but if you turn them sideways that you would narrow your band with well you're listening I guess what I'm trying to say it sounds like what you're saying is if you turn the compression driver lens on the side they would narrow your hearing for the left and right side and if that's so that's been maybe the very thing that you need to do because you built another box or did you build two more boxes cuz if you build one for a center Channel then I would leave that one orientated when you get a wide band cuz it would respond as a center channel for vocals and your left and right would respond as in the movie form someone walking in the room I don't know I think I need to build a set of to test my theory but anyways I like the color orange cuz I'm a Chevy guy and I like the color blue also but one of the speakers do you have with your home theater system just out of curiosity

[@tonythedonluciano]

Didn't even give the bug a chance to escape, he just painted him blue. 😆

[@robbiedh02]

Make some rear surrounds out of them?

[@Toid]

That would be nice

[@donjaun540]

I love these dyi speakers. I wish you sold a flat pack kinda like GsG. This way all a person has to do is put it together and finish.

[@Toid]

I do sell flat packs for most of my speakers. You just need to contact me via email.

[@donjaun540]

@@Toid Awesome!!

[@ajstruhar2048]

Is there something in a higher price range you would recommend? Just finding your channel and I'm hooked! I'm very capable of building my own speakers! Wish you guys gave more spec on the total inner volume and such but great video dude man

[@nvrfollowb5]

Is the crossover information listed somehwere?

[@Toid]

It's with the build plans. the link is in the description.

[@tzt0i8]

I have build simular speakers to these but i surface mounted the horn. It has a large dip in the frequency response at 8-to 15 khz. I was wondering if flush mounting it could solve this problem. Do you know if this can help. The reported frequency response by the manufacturer is pretty linear. Its The Monacor MHD-152. Thanks.

[@fraula1]

Nice speaker 👍 do they need a subwoofer for listening music ?

[@Toid]

Yes

[@fraula1]

@@Toid thank you :)

[@francisdelacruz6439]

Has that horn sound. Maybe use an exponential horn.

[@wojjy7096]

Hello, some of the links are broken!

[@Jan-kp7qz]

Is there any alternative to the h290b wave guids because i cant get them in germany

[@Toid]

I don't know of one off-hand. But you if you find a biradial with similar size, it should work well. Feel free to run some by me and I would be happy to tell you if I think it would be a good substitute

[@Jan-kp7qz]

@@Toid what about the b&c me 45 90°×40° Looks like the exact same horn

[@Toid]

@@Jan-kp7qz it doesn't appear that one would sit back far enough. He really want one that has a depth closer to 5.9 in. The one you mentioned has a depth of 4.9".

[@DUDETHEATER]

Well done

[@thiemobartsch]

This is a great build, thanks for sharing your knowledge! I've tried to download the build plans for these, but PayPal was rejected by your site. Is there a known issue with PayPal from Germany?

[@Toid]

Not that I'm aware of. But it's not working, you could always try Etsy. www.etsy.com/listing/1076258431/cinema-6-home-theater-speaker-plans

[@thiemobartsch]

@@Toid thanks! The problem was the currency which was switched to € automatically. After switching Back to USD it worked

[@Silent_Joy]

So you use this as a center speaker? Could you just use one?

[@Toid]

I used three for my front soundstage. But you could use just one as a center of you wanted to

[@Silent_Joy]

@@Toid Wow! Just found your channel, things have changed a bit since I used to build speakers for discos (ya, thats a long way back!!)

[@Toid]

@@Silent_Joy wow that is awesome! That would have been fun to do.

[@ntacoustics500]

Do a version of the kenwood mv-9D, for movies I love the 5-D but the presence of either the 7 or 9-D are pretty insane

[@orlandowilliams5164]

Do you sell these speakers? I just wanna buy. Lol. I’m not handy but these look awesome.

[@robbiedh02]

I want some

[@Toid]

Comr build somr 😁

[@rewind9536]

Could have gone for a bigger midrange horn. But then you would need a tweeter horn as well.

[@loveitmuch]

I ordered the Cinema 6 plans and a few pages are missing for parts. The 3.5 and 1.0 Inductor pages are not there. Does anybody have any suggestions?

[@Toid]

Email me at [e-mail] and I'll get you the correct links sent over

[@loveitmuch]

@@Toid thanks a bunch

[@tdc_mfg3405]

Yes! The video I have been waiting for! Can’t wait to make these! Quick question. You said laying them on their side would be good for a small narrow room. The room I’m working with is 18x10x9 high. The screen will be 2 feet off the front wall so I can do a AT 120”screen. In this room do you think the cinema 6 would be best laid on its side Or vertical?

[@Toid]

It's really hard to say. I actually have a really narrow room and I decided to run them horizontally instead of on their side. It's more of a personal preference than it is a rule of thumb. Running it on its side will give you better left and right separation. This makes it easier to differentiate where the sound is coming from. And letting them horizontally gives you more of an even coverage.

[@carlosoruna7174]

Need the drivers. Cabinets only go so far

[@jasonshud2636]

Very Nice work again Toid, I wish I had a way to buy a flat pak for 3 of these, for a LCR or at least just the front Baffle boards cut, that really needs to be exact with a nice CNA Machine. I really want to build a set of 3 of these, I just looked and horn is on back order but Ebay has them. I have been waiting for DIY Sound Group to stock HT-8 for over a year now but these look better with the BC Compression driver. thanks for the channel Toid.. GodSpeed!

[@Toid]

Man I don't live in Illinois anymore. I wish I did. Actually no I don't, I love where I live now LOL. But go ahead give me a contact I'll go ahead and make you three front baffles. I was going to put them on the website anyway. I just haven't got around to it yet.

[@jasonshud2636]

@@Toid Toid you are the MAN!! I have some DIY ability, But never built a DIY Speaker kit. This is a huge help, I see Parts Express is on back order until November on Comp drivers? That is fine, I will need a little help with build Toid, I need to ask you about taking a picture front and back of the XO adding it with speaker plans, it helps us crossover challenged, like those schematic XO boards some dealers sell or include with kits to help you assemble the XO easier. I will ask you after I get joined. I am going to jump on your Patreon group!! And buy this Cinema 6 Speakers Plans. I know you don't do all this hard work and time for free, I am about the same age as you and I have an Awesome wife & 3 girls in my household Bro. I will be Shud in new Patreon list, Cya over there.. Thanks!

[@Fulcrum205]

Just Google around for local cabinet shops or woodworks. Most CNC places charge you by the sheet. Converting the plans to CAD should only take an hour or so. Probably around 300 for a shop to draft and cut your sheet of MDF.

[@coreybeck7148]

why don't you have any playback on videos? I realize they will not sound the same but it would be nice to see something.

[@phizzle24]

Toid to brace: DON'T YOU LIKE YOUR HOME!!!

[@Toid]

Lol, someone knows their Happy Gilmore! Nice! 😁

[@systemofthehounds7658]

Nice bit of heavy dense cheap MDF

[@Edward135i]

Shit, now I'm wondering if I should flip my KL-650's on their sides!

[@DerekRNeumann]

I mean, experimentation is the only free part of hi-fi right?

[@dickydoesaudio3466]

I have the Kl 650's also, and I haven't been able to use them because they were 2 inches to wide to fit in the space I have for my left and right speakers. I don't know why I never thought of flipping them on their side but I will definitely be doing that in the near future.

[@Cujobob]

Looks good! I’m a huge fan of that compression driver. I think a little work on the cabinet design to reduce diffraction would go a long way.

[@stephennielsen2134]

Can you make me a pair of Cornwall cabinets? If so how much? I can glue and sand myself. Cheers 🍻

[@Subsonic-g2n]

Crossover?

[@Toid]

It's in the plans in the description

[@HomesAtHeart]

This is awesome! Do you think the woofers need an upgrade? If so, any recommendations to take this design to a version 3?

[@Toid]

I don't think the offers need an upgrade. I don't think I'd ever do a version 3 of these. I probably just do something different. I do have a Cinema 10 coming out soon. That'll use a 10 inch woofer with the same compression driver and Horn. That's going to be based off a design that you'll find in most commercial movie theaters being used as rear surrounds.

[@mikkelkirketerp4884]

@@Toid JBL 8320? :d

[@alpereira7112]

*** UPADTE *** I tried to log into the link below and says you have to buy the plans for 20.00 US , I agreed and paid VIA PayPal and never received any Plans ... When I try to email Admin I also get an error .. Anyone else having issues ?I am going to build these speakers , I am currently using RF7 for my fronts and rears however those RF7 rears take on a lot of room. I started searching for Klipsch THX and came across this cool video , So I figure these wall mounted might hit the spot as well especially for the price. I'll report back when they are complete .

[@Toid]

Send me an email at [e-mail] l I’ll get it sorted out

[@incredifunk]

】 Why aren't we hearing these? I get our phones will not show them justice. But it would be worth a shot to hook into something else