127. Interview with narrowboat broker Rugby Boats

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What do narrowboat brokers do and should you use one, either to sell or buy a boat? These questions and more are answered in a sit-down interview with James Millsop of brokerage firm Rugby Boats, based at Stowe Hill Wharf in Weedon, Northamptonshire.
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[@anfo_4241]

You can take the man out of the journalism, but you can't take journalism out of the man! Nicely produced, David.

[@ncmattj]

I’m late to the party and getting through mandatory at home isolation by watching Cruising The Cut from the beginning. Jolly good show!

[@pammipayne3334]

What a nice guy.. this was so interesting. Totally glued. He generally seemed a tad nervous in painting a glossy picture of brokerage but he also showed a very nice human side. Great video again as always.

[@thomasbernecky2078]

I liked the gentleman from Rugby Boats: a good interviewer and interviewee. Thanks, David.

[@westcoastphoto4255]

I have no idea how ITV, BBC or whatever British TV network you worked for ever let you get away. Your work is most informative and with your excellent editing, your stories seem to come alive with each and every one. Field reporters in the USA would really benefit watching your B-roll work. I have worked with many TV personalities and you would have been at the top of my list when I was working. Keep up the good work.

[@CruisingTheCut]

I think that is the nicest compliment I've ever been paid (including in my time at ITV, where I was largely regarded as just another video journalist). Thank you, that's made my day. Cheers :-)

[@Richardparent879]

@@CruisingTheCut I absolutely agree with the above compliment, I worked for short time in house government team making department videos that would be for website. Your editing comes out top notch but also it's the little stuff, like making sure you avoid making a video when certain outside conditions are bad. So many amateur's videos often are so focused on themselves they are utterly oblivious to their environment... Your speaking skills reveal a polished presenter that you got as journalist... It's not easy I know I been there. Thank you again.

[@CosmicPrawny]

Have been watching Rugby Boats for months. Love nosing around other peoples boats. Never knew he was so young!

[@andyleese4583]

Bought my boat thru rugby boats. Absolutely brilliant service. Especially for all those reasons outlined in the vlog

[@Smannellites]

Very interesting interview. And very professionally produced video. Thank you.

[@CosmicPrawny]

Some people may find the deposit issue with the broker to be too strict. I don't. There are too many messers in this world. This broker has his head screwed on and weeds out the wrongens.

[@johnkelley9254]

Very good sit down great questions asked by you . The gentleman was sincerely honest and streight forward.

[@mattdavis8034]

Love James and Rugby boats on KZbin "and into the boat we go".....could watch their channel for hours.....I would buy from them. " very boyant" if you pardon the pun...

[@parjacpar3077]

Thank you for sharing this with us all Looking forward to your next video Shame royal military canal is not part of the network

[@avandriver]

Once again very imformative and well put together ( anyone would think you were a pro ) . it is also very nice to put a face to the voice that has been showing me around boats for so long .

[@0HARE]

Thanks for a no nonsense, informative video. My wife and I are looking for a place to retire, and are weighing all options. The narrowboat lifestyle certainly has its charms.

[@MrSmeggypaws]

Those journalistic skills are still sharp! Great interview. Great vlog!

[@james9958]

This was such an interesting episode, great interviewing by David and really well answered questions by James.

[@suecox2308]

Lovely interview David and seeing more of James (after hearing him on Rugby Boats YT channel) is fun.

[@xCoolBreezex]

This interview was extremely buoyant.

[@bigglestheflyboy]

A first class and very professional interview there David. I'm not long from retiring and my wife and I intend to buy a Narrow boat, so for us this was very helpful. Many thanks.

[@grannylyn757]

Ok, vote of hands,,,,am I the only one who paused the very informative interview to read the titles of the books?

[@WeaverBird64]

Thank you, this has been really very useful. It's also good to put a face to the voice of Rugby Boats as I've watched lots of their adverts. I really hope I can sort out my finances soon and actually buy one! Another great vlog, I'm even watching your van vlogs and I've no interest at all in vans lol I just enjoy your vlogs. Yours were the first I watched, one after the other, when I was first contemplating a narrowboat and they've been informative and entertaining, thank you.

[@CruisingTheCut]

Haha, James actually hates being on camera ;-) Glad you enjoy all the videos, that's very pleasing to hear. Cheers

[@MadazzaMusik]

WeaverBird64 154 million euro this weekend m8 👌

[@bornfreefreedom4900]

And on the serious note your videos are very informative and very professionally done and very good indeed. Best wishes

[@CruisingTheCut]

Ta

[@bornfreefreedom4900]

CruisingTheCut Your ace. Best wishes. Keep warm in that boat. Its forecast very cold.

[@bornfreefreedom4900]

CruisingTheCut When your campervan is finished please feel free to use my beach on the Jurassic Coast line it's truly amazing and Scott and Ellie The Explorer travellers have been here I think they liked it. 🚐😊😊😊😊😊

[@CruisingTheCut]

Very kind, thank you.

[@bornfreefreedom4900]

CruisingTheCut I've heard many people say you are a very kind genuine man and in my eyes that means a lot :-) :-)

[@annettefournier9655]

Hi David. Very useful information. Thank you. Using your interview skills. I love nosing around Rugby Boats video tours! For the love of Pete man, wear a jacket when it's cold and windy. Take good care of yourself.

[@CruisingTheCut]

Haha, I was only outside for a bit but had to take that intro three times until I got it right by which time the chill was kicking in!

[@gerrytanner1682]

Excellent...very informative. Thank you David.

[@marjoriejohnson6535]

I watch many of the brokers for sale boats. Rugby does the best job of all in taking you thru the boats they have for sale. I keep looking although my present physical condition will never allow me to live on a narrow boat unless i bring someone or someones to handle the boat and me. Escaping the mess that we are experiencing in the USA makes it very appealing. I need to run away...keep on informing us as always..love and luck xox

[@mitchellminer9597]

Very impressive, and most informative. I liked that guy, and I love your work. I have no chance of ever buying a narrowboat, and still I watched this vid.

[@ncplantdoctor]

Very interesting video. You ask questions like a seasoned journalist. Oh, wait. You are.

[@fatnstupidstreams5959]

Hes an ex-journalist which makes his interview soo much more professional.

[@dawnym3943]

Wow! Loved this vlog! Very informative and reassuring! It was nice to put a face to the voice! ⛴☺️

[@mwp1979]

Great and very informative video David. Rugby needs to post that on their site as well. Thanks for all the videos that you post. Take care and Cheers Mark

[@CruisingTheCut]

They most certainly do not, that would take away my views (and any revenue from them). But glad you liked it! Cheers :-)

[@mwp1979]

Sorry did not think about it in those terms.. Well sometimes I do go brain dead.. :) Have a great day

[@CruisingTheCut]

I'm brain dead most of the time!! Cheers

[@benlzicar7628]

I've watched many RubyBoats videos, thank you for this interview David!

[@JeghedderThomas]

Nice and comprehensive. Your journalist roots show in the bone dry professionalism on display here. Thanks for this slice of the boating world.

[@alistairkeen5575]

Excellent prog, good common sense prevailed, well presented-

[@jamesdavis5096]

Rugby Boat Chanel is great. Very informative. Already found them earlier and subbed. I really like Sweet Caroline.

[@morgidvmw0mdv]

An excellent Video. Very professionally done. I wish I could edit my videos one tenth as well. Well done David.

[@leslielutz1874]

Day off. Found this. Always little gems in David's vlog line up. THIS WAS PERFECT. Rugby's channel is addicting, been there so many times. I have a question please: Is there a "limit" to how many boat license they allow each year ? At what point do your channels become "full." ? Thanks David. You are still my favorite : )

[@CruisingTheCut]

There's no limit at present

[@adam8822]

good point if narrowboats are this popular there would have to be a limit at some point you would imagine

[@christaylor8795]

Once again a great video David, and I must say it was great to see the face behind the videos of Rugby Boats, some very interesting facts brought up in the interview, and it would be great to see other interviews with other people connected to canal life. All the best to you!

[@CruisingTheCut]

Thank you, I'll bear that in mind! Ta

[@WildeFyre69]

Just by looking at the bookshelf I can tell Rugby Boats is my kind of company :)

[@skf957]

Key takeaway: "It's got to float". Seriously though, I really enjoyed the interview. Thank you for sharing.

[@CheckFred]

Good interview; But! - Your man there sounded a bit like your 'well trained' insurance salesman with a ready-made human experience story to justify somewhat 'shady' transactions. Not saying he's dodgey by any means but his flickering eyes made him look like a Politician under pressure .... Maybe I'm just a bit of 'Grumpy-Old-Man' looking a bit too hard :-)

[@dragnfli520]

Fun Interview & fun to see the face behind all those wonderful Rugbyboat videos! (I guess this was shot in the pre-Bumble🐕 era!)

[@CruisingTheCut]

Haha yes. I popped by a few days ago and Bumble wasn’t there - imagine my disappointment!

[@kmanison]

Great interview, answered a lot of questions, and nice to see the face behind the enjoyable commentaries on the Rugby Boats videos which, like yours, I never miss!

[@Godshole]

Very good interview and on all appearances a top bloke. My boat time has been through helping out the 'senile old bat' on her boat over the years. Sadly I have had to stop because she has a habit of doing things her way, as her brother told me way back when.. "There is the right way, the wrong way, and her way, which will be worse then the wrong way I guarantee you." It has been heartbreaking to watch the decline of the boat as various jobs, against my best advice, have been farmed out to the local Ape with a toolbox or some other cheap idiot and then stuff has inevitably gone catastrophically wrong and I, and often my money, have ended up picking up the pieces and putting it right at twice the expense. A good example which happened after I threw in the towel is that she was convinced by someone on her mooring to replace the heavy duty batteries, 400Ahr if I am remembering right in the bank, (4 X 6V ) with "great batteries he can get at a really good price". My advice was DON'T, at least check what Ahr the new ones are and get back to me before you do anything. What did she do? Went ahead anyway. 3 months later I get a text, " My lights keep going dim, can you come and have a look?" I suspect the 'friend' had weighed in the traction battery pack then used to money to buy 2 camping and caravan 100Ahr batteries from Go Outdoors or the like, on sale no doubt hence the urgency, and made himself a pretty penny. Halving the Ahr capacity of the boat bank and filling the battery bay with nothing better than very expensive ballast. Sorry this is a bit of a moan but I had to vent a bit. Like the batteries will because they can't handle the charge from the boat generators. Hubble bubble indeed!

[@chrishewitt4220]

Loved this one. More like this would be great.

[@jayoneill1533]

Living in Los Angeles I have never seen your work on ITV so it’s good to see David Johns reporter/presenter, back in harness.

[@CruisingTheCut]

You may be amused by my "reporter showreel" at kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHzOeWuwa7yroLs

[@jayoneill1533]

Yes! David, your reel was most interesting and entertaining. I must say, as a forty year veteran of NBC-TV here in the US, Cruising the Cut’s gain was ITV’s loss...

[@CruisingTheCut]

Thank you :-)

[@Bob814u]

Very informative video. The interviewee of course is knowledgeable of the subject and you asked questions that I have wondered since seeing your first video. Thanks for thinking of this interview.

[@myk7295]

Nice to put a face to the voice.Great interview. Cheers from Indiana.

[@paulwooster3590]

Thank you for taking the time to show this valuable insight that I am sure many will helpful. Thanks also to Rugby Boats in Weedon, Northamptonshire. For their candid and honest answers. Wonderful.

[@johnsharman7614]

Thank you David for that particular Vlog Very interesting and VERY HELPFUL. You asked all the questions that I needed answering And I'm sure you will receive a lot of excellent feedback I love watching your vlogs but this 1 in particular. 👍👍👌😊

[@ianmason8713]

This and the vlog about Aintree boats are well worth watching. It is interesting and informative getting a look inside the commercial industry side of boats. On another subject, you are having a very bad influence on me Mr Johns. Over 30 years of honest Gongoozling (mostly cut walking) seem to be over. After starting to watch your vlog and others that, it has led too, firstly I find myself tearing up and down the Shropie at a hair splitting 1 to 3 miles per hour on the boat of a family member and now I find that I am booked into doing a course at Birmingham and Midland marine, early in March, in an attempt to gain an Inland Waterways Helmsman's Certificate. I don't think that the great god Goozle will ever forgive me and I'm blaming you and your boat vlog gangsters for that. :)

[@CruisingTheCut]

Hahahahahahaha, we'll get you in the end, one way or another!

[@wsatnutter9674]

great vlog we always thought we would take and seek a buy from Rugby boats when and if

[@davecasey4341]

The way to handle those deposits, when a second or third potential buyer calls up, you tell them their is a buyer that has put a deposit down and you take the other buyers name and number and tell them you will call them if the other buyer pulls out. If you want to give the deposit back to the first buyer, you tell them they get the deposit back when the boat does sell.

[@x--.]

First, what broker would want the headache of all of that? But setting that aside, given the market for boats, how would "return after sale" deter anyone? As far as "We'll take your name and number..." and then what, the buyer is just going to piddle around? Nope, they're going to keep looking instead of stopping and going to check out this new one they are interested in; if they find another boat or otherwise convince themselves the broker's boat isn't the right fit, then that's a potential buyer lost. As much as a non-refundable deposit sounded like a scam to me and I'd hate it, it does seem like a smart move for a serious broker who's job is to sell that boat for the best return.

[@dugclrk]

This was a wonderfully done interview with great questions, very informative. Your TV background really came to the front in this. Well done.

[@xdrm24]

I loved this episode, mainly because it was between two polite and educated people. Im glad the broker man didn't sit there and toot his own horn. Seems like a great guy.

[@courierdog1941]

Again an excellent Blog and Down to Earth (Waterlevel)

[@TheMikemedia]

And there's nothing quite as lovely as having a nose around someone else's... bookshelf. Which is in this case, impressively eclectic.

[@sen5i]

Boaters use it as a book exchange, take the books you've read and swap for books you haven't read. Also found along the cut at some Elsan points and toilets or any dry place boaters can find

[@grumpy9250]

Now that's a face to a familiar voice

[@EASYTIGER10]

I was thinking the same! If James ever comes on a mirror on one of his video boat tours, he seems almost phobic, so we never get to see him!

[@redepsilon5]

Very good stuff, well done again.

[@EASYTIGER10]

Great, informative interview with a voice we know well! I wonder if James' office has little pully out shelfy things for storage and some lovely cupboards squirreled away? Does he eat his lunch at a dinn-ett? Oh and does the floor go invisible when he looks down, revealing a nice clean and tidy engine?

[@andyukh1625]

David, another great vlog........ I met this guy whilst working near Daventry, popped in on the off chance in my truck and asked a few questions. Very helpful gentleman, strangely enough I started talking to a lady who’s husband was talking to the broker and she lived in the same town in Cambridgeshire as me. Well worth anyones time visiting Rugby Boats. Keep up the good work..........

[@rgarlinyc]

Very informative, great questions - thank you Captain CtheC!

[@AvaT42]

This is interesting. A good interview.

[@lostpuppy3955]

I can understand his reason for non refundable deposits .. tyre kickers want to hold up sell of all the boats they fall in love with ..I would always recommend a good boat broker for legal reason such as pass financial claims ..I had friends that got stung by buying privately ..yes definitely get a survey ..great advice..

[@Zeemike1]

I bet all the brokers love you...it is you and people like you on KZbin that create the interest in cruising the cut. And that interest became international with KZbin channels like yours. It shows a way of life that is appealing to many people from all countries.

[@CruisingTheCut]

I should send all the brokers an invoice maybe :-)

[@uselesseverything209]

When you asked the question, (what should buyers be looking for?) I was hoping he would answer , Hull and engine/running gear. Anything else like interior, Paint can be done with the boat in the water. A survey would answer these questions. These are the most important things. As long the boat size suits your requirements and the survey checks out, you can change layout and exterior finish a lot cheaper than overplating and mechanical issues.I have known quite a few boat buyers who have fell in love with an interior of a boat and not bothered with a survey.

[@fk319fk]

Great Job interviewing! and James did a great job avoiding answering. (Off Topic, but I bought my used truck because the person who wanted it did not put down a deposit.)

[@suetaylor5186]

Brilliant interview on both sides.

[@kaylew108]

A face behind the voice. I've watched many of the Rugby Boat tours on KZbin. Quite stunning boats on there

[@scottbarber6694]

Bottom line: "... it needs to float."

[@potkas7]

After watching dozens of Rugby Boat videos, it's nice to be able to put a face with the voice. An interesting discussion.

[@-UrbanSurvivor]

That James is great, the rugbyboats youtube page is the absolute best way to see a boat before going half way round the country to view it in the flesh, the videos are very detailed and comprehensive, people should look at that channel, this was a useful, informative video as usual

[@CruisingTheCut]

Haha, how much did he pay you? ;-)

[@-UrbanSurvivor]

Haha, i was one of the lucky ones, got my deposit back lol

[@johnwilkie1432]

I enjoyed that Thank you and well done.

[@CruisingTheCut]

Cheers John

[@raew5263]

Very informative. Thank you 🙏🏻 for this one. Narrow boats are so interesting. Fun to watch your vlogs. Good job 👍

[@carolynejayne8904]

This is a great informative video, I actually met James afew days ago while viewing "lady Grey" he was very helpful, turned out it wasn't the boat for me..I would definitely feel more comfortable buying through a broker.

[@comfywomfy]

Nice one David. I walk past Rugby Boats often on my wee country strolls. They always seem to have great boats listed for sale, one of them being that Theodoric you showed in the video. It is a stunning boat but then it was also 100k :) I saw their video of it a while back. It's great to get a little insight into Rugby Boats and it's owner along with some valuable information. Cheers dude. Have a great day.

[@CruisingTheCut]

Cheers for that. Yes, they do have some stunning (and expensive!) boats though I've also seen them do stuff at the cheaper end of the market. Hope all's well with you.

[@comfywomfy]

CruisingTheCut I'm nay bad my friend thanks. You too. 🤜🏻🤛🏻😬

[@MichaelsMustang]

Great vlog always I learn something

[@donash3199]

Thanks very informative. It boggles my mind that there is no “registration” requirement for boats, to track ownership etc. AMAZING. It confirms Caveat emptor “let the buyer beware”.

[@AureliusR]

Urgh I wish we had the equivalent canal structure and narrowboats here... this looks like something I could really get into.

[@myhillslife27]

In my top 3 of your videos

[@davehnh]

Very interesting and informative vlog. Thx

[@davidbower9025]

Great quote to end on there: “It needs to float!” Wise words indeed!

[@robertbuick1500]

The non refundable deposit is a manipulative practice that both allows the broker to double dip into profits for buys who have a change of heart and as a pressure selling tactic. If the boat is worth the asking price then it will sell. Using this broker as an example, what tangible value does he bring to the table. How is his "expertise" brought to bear. Where is his liability... for anything. If this was a car or a house would you accept these same low standards... 10%, non-refundable down for the right to purchase the house. Then the inspection shows your 400K house has 39.9K in needed repairs, but too bad about your deposit. Where is the good faith, where's the integrity. I'll also go on the record in saying I think this broker lied about 4 potential buyers for THAT BOAT in one day. IF that were true then he should have returned the mans deposit out of decency alone, because clearly IF a boat generates that much interest in 1 day IT WILL SELL. This means he's either loyal only to his wallet or a liar and shouldn't be trusted either way.

[@garyabc]

With 4 + 1 offers in one day the price is too low. Since the broker is working for the seller, the broker should remove the boat from the market and raise the price.

[@garyreynolds5733]

His body language made me question his honesty at 8:00 and at 9:50. Made me uncomfortable... Just a feeling. No evidence. No training. No axe to grind.

[@andreassjoberg3145]

Well, NOBODY forces you to do a deposit. It's there to pay for extra hassle IF you back out for no good reason after they stopped trying to sell it to others.

[@williambays3534]

Good information. Good to know if you are getting a boat. Quite dull to watch sadly. But then you were talking with a salesman and those guys are rarely mister excitement :). From this I gathered that you should put as much thought into buying a boat as you would in a house, either way you are making a decision you must live with for years to come.

[@geoffupton]

very interesting, most dont think about how all this works!

[@robertusa1234]

All the things this broker does and doesn't do would make me run away from him ...... I never pay a none refundable deposit pre inspection..... If the broker believe in his product he would not need a policy like that. Good product sells it's self

[@CruisingTheCut]

This system is not specific to this broker, most use it or something similar.

[@garyabc]

The objective is not to sell the boat. The objective is to sell the boat quickly at the highest price.

[@24747347]

A very good interview

[@cyberi4a]

How funny, before even seeing what your video was on, I watched a Rugby Boats vid on selling Tess. I will say I thought he was older by hearing his voice on all the vids I've watch.

[@allanfifield8256]

"But it needs to float. LOL

[@century2298]

Thank you David for doing this. It should be given a lot of thought before buying a boat and this lifestyle. This answers a lot of questions and gives a good guide to starting.

[@normanmunns4743]

I think that a deposit should be returnable if the survey is unfavourable , regardless of cost to repair. otherwise the seller may refuse to put the problems right and the buyer has to either pay for repairs or lose his deposit. However if the seller is prepared to pay for the repairs then i think its then okay to keep the deposit if the buyer pulls out. As a matter of interest who would keep the deposit if the buyer pulls out Thinking about it if the buyer is prepared to pay for a survey , then that should show commitment to buy without any need for a deposit Lets face it a decent out of water survey is likely to be around £1000 which certainly shows commitment. if the buyer is prepared to show proof of payment for survey that should be sufficient. After the survey the buyer can then renegotiate via the broker if any work needs to be carried out

[@alexlanceley6767]

Totally agree… like a house.. can tell other viewers it’s already under offer subject to survey … a non refundable deposit is essentially a pre-payment leaving buyer tied to a% issue risk…

[@timosullivan1]

Great vlog and interview.

[@10wanderer]

mmmhhh 10% of 100k is a lot of loot , to hold back , 4k would be more realistic , then again I am not a thief. eh

[@justbreakingballs]

Look he’s been totally upfront about it, initially I thought hey that’s harsh but applying more thought to it I understand it. The buyer is warned. It protects the seller and broker from the many many fools messing people around and clogging up the brokers whole operation. Boats displaying as sold for weeks then back on the market when they ring up with some bullshit story. Buyers questions why this boat is back for sale, disappointed sellers asking why the sale has fallen through didn’t the broker check the buyer out. This clear and serious policy will ensure that Rugby boats will have far far far few messed up sales and time wasters, better seller experience which is who they work for and better numbers ultimately. Basically do not buy a boat, have it taken off the market, mess everybody about about then think you can change your mind without losing.

[@bosse641]

Interesting. Thanks.

[@The_Arby]

Great Video David :-) Good answers and questions :-)

[@rolandpeters1]

First class presentation and gave a very good insight into the purchase process , keep up the good work, regards Mark

[@SecretSquirrelFun]

I think having an independent expert checking out the entire structure is a must-do before buying. That and also checking the motor, plumbing and electrics too. Because, as he said. first and foremost - It needs to float. 🙂

[@Jerseywonder56]

ahhhhh,the voice of Rugby Boats. Nice to see a face to the great voice. It's a Great Channel is Rugby Boats!

[@celtic1522]

Good explanation of the purchase by broker system. Enjoyed the interview very much...

[@CruisingTheCut]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@towny66]

Seems kinda dodgy. If a 5k deposit is forfeited I assume it's this bloke who pockets the extra money even if it delays a sale by less than a week? I understand paying a penalty for backing out - but 100% of your deposit seems rather greasy.

[@molybdnum]

It sounds like a sellers' market for sure with the way he described turning down multiple viewings - so I guess he has all the leverage. My gut tells me any market like that where you have to put down big money sight-unseen to even have a shot, be it New York City real estate, antique cars, or used narrowboats, is that you either have the money to not care about the hassle, hidden problems, and layers of middlemen ... or you're going to have such a miserable time it will permanently taint the outcome. Maybe I'm wrong with narrowboats and people have access enough to other boats with common features that they can look at a spec sheet and say "yep, for sure that one will work" vs buying blindly.

[@sdrailfan892]

Getting into some of your older videos. This is another well done one. The broker you picked to do this with you was a very good choice. I like the way he did not put down other brokers but said there were different types of brokers with different focus and integrity. Great questions and answer video for those looking to buy a boat.