13 Ways To Sound Like the 80s

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Espen Kraft

Espen Kraft

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@orchestralcinematiceducation
@orchestralcinematiceducation 7 ай бұрын
Tip 14: don't use a neon skyline in the video for your track
@wonderwheel80s
@wonderwheel80s 7 ай бұрын
That's a synthwave aestethic. A good chunk of these tips don't apply to synthwave, as synthwave is not 80's music, it's just inspired by 80's music.
@relicthominin9864
@relicthominin9864 7 ай бұрын
@@wonderwheel80s I think the comment is just a light-hearted joke about Synthwave. Many of those who make synthwave music probably weren't born until the '90s or '00s but think that artificial neon skylines and horizons were integral to the '80s style. (The 80s in reality had a multitude of styles.) This 'outrun' aesthetic supposedly gets its name from the arcade game Outrun. I played that back in the 80s and don't remember any magenta neon.
@orchestralcinematiceducation
@orchestralcinematiceducation 7 ай бұрын
@@relicthominin9864 Yeah just a bit of fun, a throwaway comment. I actually applied nearly every principle Espen mentions when I recreated Axel F last year. No limiting, use of drum machines, getting that 'tape' sound, etc. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZTHhGp3drGUfLM
@wonderwheel80s
@wonderwheel80s 7 ай бұрын
@@relicthominin9864 I agree with you, (I was there too back then!), anyway the pioneers of synthwave (which was born at the end of the 00s) are actually xennials like me. We were children (not teens) during the 80s, and that aesthetic Is a romanticization of our childhood Memories of the 80s.
@adamk8347
@adamk8347 7 ай бұрын
​@relicthominin9864 The aesthetic I remember most vividly from the 80s was the Mephis Style. We had that on wall paper, on plates, sheets and comforters, bus seats, movie theaters... it was everywhere!
@ericjahoda
@ericjahoda 7 ай бұрын
"Another thing people seem to forget is that in the 80s people ... wrote melodies and chord structures". Espen, you're my hero :-) You just made a lot of folks on /r/synthesizers have an anxiety attack.
@FLH3official
@FLH3official 7 ай бұрын
I like at 1:00 "compose your music" . A long time ago, in a far away galaxy, it seemed obvious but today when I listen to the radio...
@fraval57
@fraval57 7 ай бұрын
You can say it loud
@FFrrEEddRRiiKK1
@FFrrEEddRRiiKK1 7 ай бұрын
Love the Overlook hotel carpet shirt btw.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
You noticed. ;-)
@mrdali67
@mrdali67 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft Somehow that shirt seems more 70'ies .. at least the colors 😄
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
The Shining was released in early 1980 so it was at least partly made during the 70s. ;-)
@SPAZZOID100
@SPAZZOID100 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft1978-1979
@OmarHashModer
@OmarHashModer 7 ай бұрын
Before I was fortunate enough to be one of the very first few people in the UK to acquire an MPC60 in April 1988, my only way of sequencing was using the drum machine to program patterns of midi notes for my only two synths (Juno106 and DX100). The first drum machine was TR505, and then I added Kawai R100 and Yamaha RX5. Multitrack recording was on a Yamaha 4-track. I had a turntable to play records and sample music. My first samplers were two Casio Sk1’s. Trust me, there was a lot of manual syncing, punching in/out, bouncing, and music performance . The only,sequenced parts were drums (drum machines) and synth-bass (using the drum machines). I had no effects whatsoever. The limitations bred wonderful creative results with fat/gritty sounds and many huge grins on my face.
@MarsHottentot
@MarsHottentot 7 ай бұрын
If you have any of that old stuff digitized, you should post it!
@TheSynthnut
@TheSynthnut 7 ай бұрын
I think one of these is a general rule: For the love of all that is good, don't use autotune! Nothing has sucked the soul out of vocals like the use of autotune.
@Lfunk1983
@Lfunk1983 7 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@mrdali67
@mrdali67 7 ай бұрын
And It's not even that cumbersome with todays DAW's to manually fix small problem areas with in case of Cubase using vari audio. pretty sure most DAW's and also the different vocal plugins offer a a manual mode so you can fix small problems while preserving the natural pitch drift and voice vibrato without smashing the whole track with an "auto" fix. It's totally ok to use auto tune or whatever plugin you prefere for special effects if it fits your idea of the music, but I hate to watch tv shows and stuff where the engineers run an "auto" setting to all contestants or whatever kind of show it is just to make the overall sound "pleasant" to listen to.
@hldfgjsjbd
@hldfgjsjbd 5 ай бұрын
Such a bullshit amateur statement 😅
@peterldelong
@peterldelong 7 ай бұрын
No autotune ever please. In my 60’s and I can still out sing 90% of the modern artists today, autotune not required. Great tips my friend!
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@ChicaLocaGB
@ChicaLocaGB 7 ай бұрын
No autotune, but a nice bit of vocoder sometimes😍
@Triplechorus2
@Triplechorus2 7 ай бұрын
Yes. That was the Autotune of the seventies to eighties.
@jstarman01
@jstarman01 7 ай бұрын
You forgot… adding a hint of Aquanet hairspray to the room will most likely help with that 80’s vibe also.
@Tyrell_Corp2019
@Tyrell_Corp2019 7 ай бұрын
Good stuff. Older guy who was there. Don't forget about REAL drummers too. (Aside from overdubbing a few things on top of a machine). Yes, drum machines were big. But lots of bands/tunes had real drummers. Gary Numan, Devo, Talking Heads, B52s, Simple Minds, The Cure, Culture Club, Wang Chung, Oingo Bongo, Duran Duran, and many more had real drummers. Using a hybrid kit to incorporate some Simmons drums or triggering a few samples may also help. :)
@SeverityOne
@SeverityOne 7 ай бұрын
It took me a while to associate the colour of your T-shirt to the Jupiter-8 casually placed in the background. In fact, it took me a while to notice the Jupiter-8.
@stevenzagony6187
@stevenzagony6187 5 ай бұрын
Very TR-808
@newwave80skid
@newwave80skid 2 ай бұрын
It actually resembles the carpet from the movie The Shining
@wouterdesmedt1736
@wouterdesmedt1736 7 ай бұрын
About the analog vs digital synth thing, depends what year of the 80s you're going for. Popular music - and music technology - changed so much over that decade that a general statement like that isn't necessarily true. And as for reverbs, I noticed that using good emulations of the reverbs that were used back then - eg. the RMX or the 224 - goes a long way to getting that eighties vibe into a mix.
@EricFraga
@EricFraga 7 ай бұрын
Outstanding tips. One more: dont forget that super atmospheric sounding bridge part with the bass drum going boom boom boom... [big white snare] baaaanng and loop -- and we're in for the ultimate voyage through the music!
@BRIGGS2710
@BRIGGS2710 7 ай бұрын
14. use chorus and flanger 15. have crazy hair : )
@NeatBeatZone
@NeatBeatZone 3 ай бұрын
Anything post 2000 is off my radar. the 60s and 70s were fantastic and I was a teen through the 80s. The 80s were fabulous. Just found this channel and it's very cool. 😀
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 3 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@funkmachine6420
@funkmachine6420 7 ай бұрын
Yeah I basically do all those things, apart from the tape recording (maybe when I move into my new studio). Good tips as always!
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@74goldenjet
@74goldenjet 7 ай бұрын
Great video, Espen! I think I would add to the list something about how they used the stereo field back then, and how different sounds on opposite sides interact. It's quite characteristic and quite different from the way it's done today, imo. There are countless examples, from the top of my head, the intros of Sounds Like a Melody, Big in Japan... (Btw, iconic melodic instrumental themes is a huge part of the 80s vibe).
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Good tips! Cheers :)
@deantiquisetnovis
@deantiquisetnovis 7 ай бұрын
Your T-Shirt gives me immediate 80s vibes. My room hat a wallpaper in those colors 😅. May it is the reason why my tracks sound like 80s and 90s 😂
@todds5095
@todds5095 7 ай бұрын
You make the world a brighter place Espen, thanks for all you do! Todd (Ontario, Canada)
@christhescientist
@christhescientist 21 күн бұрын
Brilliant and useful video, thanks for sharing! I'll make sure to utilize these tips in some of my future tracks
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 21 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@gcoudert
@gcoudert 7 ай бұрын
I second all of Espen's comments (I was there too!). I will add to his 'no Autotune' rule that you could, where appropriate, double-track vocals - and occasionally instruments- the old-fashioned way by recording them twice. Also, thank you Espen for setting the record straight regarding gated reverb and long reverb tails.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@uniquetune0101
@uniquetune0101 7 ай бұрын
the 80s was an attitude towards life and this was reflected in the music of that time ... how do you want to achieve this nowadays ? only with synth etc ? forget it
@mrdali67
@mrdali67 7 ай бұрын
I remember that the Atari version of Cubase had the "overquantize" function where you only quantized notes a certain percentage towards the note value kinda like a simplified logic edit. It was fast and a nice way of not getting everything totally sterile to the exact beat, where people today most often quantize everything to the exact 8'th or 16'th note
@planetmullins
@planetmullins 7 ай бұрын
I think they call that that the strength function in Logic quantize...
@Lfunk1983
@Lfunk1983 7 ай бұрын
Logic Pro has a percentage based quantize so it can still be slightly off in spots. Really cool
@oleverli4550
@oleverli4550 6 ай бұрын
I remember I wanted that gated snare sound but had only Vesta Fire (I think) spring reverb and a MS-20, but sending the snare trough the spring to the MS-20 for gating - YESSSSS !
@larsvanbekkum78
@larsvanbekkum78 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! 80s heavy snares. For me the 80s sound is cheap analog synths(junos) , digitals dx7, ppg etc..combined with sample sounds from an emu. Sometimes my softsynth collection is to big. Choise stress, so i give myselfs a limited numbers of synths to use. For example: uvi emu2( max 8 outputs), korg polysix and monopoly,arturia dx7, roland juno 60 and a spark drum kit. 2 reverbs from arturia, one delay and a compressor and eq. I have to do with that in one track incl.selfmade sound effects recorded as audio or sample. Ofcourse in cubase .
@oupahens9219
@oupahens9219 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, that Spark Drum is wonderful.
@intarsienschrankzwetschgen4224
@intarsienschrankzwetschgen4224 7 ай бұрын
14: Have a short melody for your right hand that goes together with many chords. Stick to that melody and do a lot of chord progressions, even scale changes, with your left hand.
@atmobeat
@atmobeat 7 ай бұрын
The most important video on music production I've seen in quite a while. Its title should'nt be taken too literally though - IMHO, most of the tipps should indeed be useful for *any kind* of music: 1. Don't get your bassline's volume pumping up and down, triggered by kicks via side-chain 0:17 3. Write music, not beats - use chords and melodies 1:00 & 4. Use modulations 1:36 => _these two belong together_ 5. Don't over-compress/-limit your mix 2:14 7. Use limitations creatively 3:12 8. Don't quantise everything 3:45 & 11. Overdub your beats with percussion played live 6:12 => _these two belong together_ 9. Don't alienate vocals with Auto-Tune / Melodyne 4:20 13. Don't drown your music in an ocean of reverb! 7:50 Only 2. bass < 80 Hz 0:29, 6. tape 2:48, 10. drum-machines 5:07 and 12. synths from the era 6:54 are pure "eighies only" tipps in my humble opinion. Anyhow, yet another brilliant piece of work from one of my top-favourite KZbinrs. Well done, Espen 🌟
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers man!
@shapetheair_music
@shapetheair_music 7 ай бұрын
Very good Espen a great summary, we seem to just do these kind of these so innocently as there was often no alternative. I recently accessed some of my original 4 track portastudio cassettes. Drum machines programmed for whole songs and everything else played live, before using a midi sequencer, to the drum machine building up a track at a time bouncing to 8 to 10 tracks, somehow less faffing about then now with all the choices we have with the DAW.
@SplotchTheCatThing
@SplotchTheCatThing 7 ай бұрын
Frustrating how so much of the hardware like those original drum machines that were used in the 80s, which became popular then because they were cheap, are now almost impossible to get. Would be quite interested if you had any, sorta, alternative machines you'd recommend that retain some version of those individual "feels" you mention. Or would you say that even modern drum machines have their own sorta groove to them? When it comes to quantization I'm amazed how many people seem to just align their midi recording exactly to a grid when any good tool should allow you to set its sensitivity. In my opinion those dials should never be at maximum -- since I started recording notes rather than programming them I always thought the point of using quantization was to tighten up your performance just a little bit, not to snap it into some kinda rigid place.
@Esgelrothion
@Esgelrothion 7 ай бұрын
I'm not sure what your budget is, but check out Yamaha's RX line of drum machines. The RX5 is the most sought-after because it has individual outs and volume control for each channel. I have the RX7 and I love it. It doesn't have individual outs, but it's got a great tone and I think really hits that 80's sweet spot without breaking the bank.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
One with a very quirky (in a good way) internal groove is the Casio RZ-1. That's the one I'd pick first. It's not too expensive either.
@gameon2000
@gameon2000 7 ай бұрын
❤ this is gold! As every vid of Espen is.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@samalcis
@samalcis 7 ай бұрын
This is great, because most people assume the sound of the 80s was mostly the likes of Madonna, Genesis, Kenny Loggins, and Hall and Oates, but they often forget bands like Huey Lewis and the News, Men at Work, and Talking Heads who often didn’t drench their music with synths. The concepts here equally apply to all these acts: avoid sidechaining the bass and drums, roll of the low end, avoid heavy compression, and write good music! The EQ curves alone are oftentimes enough to associate a given piece of music with a given era.
@VultureCulture
@VultureCulture 7 ай бұрын
Really great tips! I think a lot of musicians would struggle to crank out a track under the deadlines and pressure of studios back then
@VenomShadows305
@VenomShadows305 6 ай бұрын
That 'Round & Round' cover is just *chef kiss* such a fantastic song (and album).
@Martin_Demsky
@Martin_Demsky 7 ай бұрын
8-bit samples, Amiga 500 with sampler and tracker, and some little natural noise was also part of 80's ;)
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
For a kid living with his parents yes. I'm talking about the pro music world. The Amiga was never part of that.
@не_нормальный
@не_нормальный 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft "never" is not a true statement. In the 90s, many electronic dance music producers used the Amiga with their samplers. But such samplers began to be produced only in 1989. That is true, it is not the 80s. But this is the 90s!
@matsadona
@matsadona 7 ай бұрын
Slightly off topic, but there is an unofficial expansion for the VPS Avenger VST with the most famous ST-xx samples. Not that gritty and sometimes dull sound, but fun as an "what if" scenario to try how well some Amiga mod's could have sounded with better hardware.
@matsadona
@matsadona 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraftspeaking of limited resources and creative music composing/production. It would be nice if you could do a video someday about the tricks used back then in Protracker. There were some pretty amazing tracks made. But that goes for the C64 as well :)
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
I never used a tracker in my life. I never had an Amiga back in the day. I was fortunate to get into the pro audio world early on and the Atari ST reigned supreme in that world.
@paomazaki5647
@paomazaki5647 7 ай бұрын
As a person born in the early '80s, and grew up with Italo disco, I grant the seal of approval. Kudos E.K.!
@TuneHawk
@TuneHawk 7 ай бұрын
The early 80s, pre '83, was the best bit. I want to sound like 1981 Yoshitaka Azuma.
@80ssynthfan48
@80ssynthfan48 7 ай бұрын
I am of the same view. I find it so much easier to relate to the analog-era stuff, but then again I would like to expand my frame of reference more beyond that.
@AutPen38
@AutPen38 7 ай бұрын
I love the early eighties synth pop played on Junos, and the late '80s house music played on Junos and samples of Junos, but the bit in the middle when the DX7 caused the charts to be full of power ballads with awful FM piano sounds was terrible.
@torarinvik4920
@torarinvik4920 7 ай бұрын
A typical thing that was used in the 80s and before in addition to regular modulations is after the bridge to modulate 1 whole note up like in Sheriff - When I'm With You. This wasn't only a 80s thing, they did it in the 70s too, and likely long before that. It seems like they stopped doing it in the 90s most likely because it sounds a bit cliched. You actually need the ability to sing 1 note higher though.
@nostalgeejays
@nostalgeejays 7 ай бұрын
Some solid and great tips here, that I will keep in mind for future productions. Thanks!
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@runestone1337
@runestone1337 7 ай бұрын
Great video, Espen! One thing I'll add is to double up the vocals and put them through an Aphex Aural Exciter (we used to just call them an "Aphex unit"). From memory the Aphex units could only be hired by the hour or day and you couldn't buy one -- a bit like Panavision lenses. Thankfully, DAW plug-in versions are now available.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! I remember the "hiring days" well. ;-)
@mrdali67
@mrdali67 7 ай бұрын
It's just fun to see how fast those Aphex Effects got busted when the digital revolution started in the mid 80's. I can only remember seeing them for sale for somethinkg like5-10 grand a piece and only few years into the 90's compeeting brands were selling alterntive solutions that most semi pro's could afford without haveing to sell a kidney or 2
@CourtWatchAu
@CourtWatchAu 7 ай бұрын
That was great, thankyou
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@cowboyupnc5465
@cowboyupnc5465 7 ай бұрын
That 1983 Sergio Mendes song "Never Gonna Let You Go" is the king of key changes. Crazy to play.
@machfront
@machfront 7 ай бұрын
That shirt! It seems as if I wore it, I would, like Christopher Reeve in “Somewhere in Time”, be transported back to 1976! I want it! 😁
@gettingthingsdone
@gettingthingsdone 7 ай бұрын
The 80s !! ❤ thank you for these tips
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@VaughnGeorge
@VaughnGeorge 7 ай бұрын
Espen, Great video and great advice! Lots of love to you brother! VG :-)
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Vaughn! The same to you :)
@GlennMainMusic
@GlennMainMusic 7 ай бұрын
😃 Thanx for taking me back to my 80’s productions man. Your tips is soooo extremely spot on Espen 😃😃 as always - a great video from you 👍😎👍
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers man!
@dannomusic47
@dannomusic47 7 ай бұрын
My only side-eye on this is regarding using analog synths during the eighties. Oberheims were quite ubiquitous. And while something of a hybrid-I used an Oberheim Matrix 6 in bands back then along with an Ensoniq Mirage and a Yamaha TX81Z as my basic gigging platform initially-and I could never have managed without that fat Oberheim. For just only horns if absolutely nothing else.
@thetexascaromclub8741
@thetexascaromclub8741 6 ай бұрын
Love that shirt
@omegaamigo
@omegaamigo 7 ай бұрын
Nice version of "Round & round" 😀
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! First one to mention that it is that. ;-)
@rtraktsdn1197
@rtraktsdn1197 7 ай бұрын
'Don't over-limit your mix' = photo of an Oasis! I'm dying 😂
@Lfunk1983
@Lfunk1983 7 ай бұрын
Here’s one to add. Let me know your thoughts.. record straight audio out of your synths. No midi - get the sound a land go for it. Plus, you get more practice trying to do a good “keeper” take. Not everything (like midi drums or tight bass) but give it a shot on a chord progression or lead! And yes, NO autotune.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
It's basically what I meant. Most of my tracks are still recorded by hand, straight out. (Unless I'm doing a MIDI demo, or working for clients.)
@Sandelec-gm2cl
@Sandelec-gm2cl 7 ай бұрын
Your t-shirt remember me the colors of breadbin Commodore 64..😀
@lesalmin
@lesalmin 7 ай бұрын
Use 6th 7th and 9th chords. 🎹🎹🎹
@nickpekarsky954
@nickpekarsky954 7 ай бұрын
Having a good understanding of artificial stereo imaging methods can add a lot of authenticity too.
@serratusx
@serratusx 7 ай бұрын
My tip is find one of the commonly used drum machines from that era. A lot of the sounds are instantly recognisable from that era. I also favour quite a lot of gated reverb and quite a heavy bass on the snare drum
@serratusx
@serratusx 7 ай бұрын
Example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3fdlmV6rqukbtUsi=9b_2GqbBC2_FttX4
@cortical1
@cortical1 7 ай бұрын
Enjoying this music of yours I haven't heard before. Good tips! I like that it's a combination of both dos and don'ts. Here's a question for you: Do you think singing (recording your vocals) with vibrato was generally more common in our 80s music or not very common? Is one or the other way characteristically 80s? Cheers.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
I do think a vocalist with a strong vibrato was maybe encouraged more to use that, in the 80s, than now. Good question. Back then you had to have a record deal to get your music out and with a strong and original vocal sound you stood out more. Now, everything is so highly polished that all originality is wiped out by a 10 man "producer" team. ;-)
@cortical1
@cortical1 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft Yeah, as I listen now specifically for vocal vibrato, it does seem like it's noticeable on lots of songs from then. It also seems to contrast with vocal styles that came with grunge in the 90s. No vibrato and lots of snarl and vocal fry instead. 😉
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Grunge is definitely not the genre I associate with vocal vibrato, but check out "Rooster" by Alice in Chains. ;-)
@EgoShredder
@EgoShredder 7 ай бұрын
@@cortical1 Another thing is its popular to think Grunge got rid of the so called "Hair Metal" bands, but most of those were merely Pop music with distorted guitars and not at all Metal.
@cortical1
@cortical1 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft True, Layne Stanley was in a class by himself.
@rubartknas7075
@rubartknas7075 7 ай бұрын
Great Video, Thanks for the greatly appreciated know-how.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@lisajohnson1528
@lisajohnson1528 7 ай бұрын
Love the chris lowe esque thumbnail
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@n8goulet
@n8goulet 7 ай бұрын
Mostly good suggestions. I would think you could come pretty close recording digitally today. What made the songs 80s for me was the sounds, styles and songwriting. Not the audio fidelity. One of my favorite 80s albums was Heart's "Bad Animals". It sounds as 80s as anything, but was recorded all digital. It's the instrument sounds and vocals that matter, not the medium of the recording. Things don't sound like the 80s today not because their done in a daw, but because some writing is drastically different today. On radio played songs, there are far fewer people that actually know how to sing really well or play instruments well. Today with the younger generation music is more about putting on a dance show with half naked people on stage. Musicianship counts for very little. But in the 80s, musicianship was 90% of it. You could look like Phil Collins, Billy Joel or Ann Wilson and still be at the very top. Madonna made it big because back then, she could sing well and put on the dance show. With few exceptions, that is not the case today. Looks and how good they can dance is usually much more important than if they can sing well or play an instrument. Just watch the Grammy Awards show. It's no wonder rap is one of the most popular musical formats today. In the early 80s, there were still a lot of analog synths being used like the OB-X series, Prophet 5, Jupiter 8, Juno, etc. In the later 80s, musicians were turning in their great sounding synths for sometimes lousy sounding digital ones. It wasn't the digital technology that was the limitation, it was the synths. Most digital synths weren't the best at making analog sounds at the time. Now, they can be so good it's really hard to tell the difference. Especially with modeling of analog synths. With all the modern digital re-makes today, it would be very easy to make an 80s sounding album without being rich or needing a studio. What's lacking today is mostly the talent. It's not the changes of the equipment. Talent is frowned upon in the music industry today. At least if you want to be heard on the radio.
@stevenzagony6187
@stevenzagony6187 5 ай бұрын
I sequence most of my hardware with either my Linn 9000 or MSQ-70 and a few Garfield interface boxes especially for non MIDI devices
@DaveDaves
@DaveDaves 7 ай бұрын
Fantastic video! I think my favorite of yours. I cherish 80s music and sounds - mostly for the masterful compositions and musicianship some other aspects you touch on here (before most synth playing ended up coming from quantized / arpeggiated / MIDI generated chords etc). I don't try to make my music sound like it was recorded in the 80s, so half of these techniques (which ofc are authentic to the 80s) don't apply to my music despite most people will notice my music has an obvious 80s vibe. I am trying to combine the best aspects of 80s production with modern techniques which I think sound better. Espen, I know you're the 80s, but I gotta argue just about your point that gated verb on the snares was rarely done? I love your point that maybe it wasn't as ubiquitous as the current popular perception suggests - but c'mon, it was a distinctive sound of many productions from that era and wasn't used later.
@RoarMcRipHelmet
@RoarMcRipHelmet 7 ай бұрын
If you do decide to use a bit of compression, don't think of it as a way to modify loudness. Think of compression as _shaping transients_. The rest of the dynamic magic happens when recording to real tape. And another thing typical of the 1980s: Recording was a constant battle against the noise floor. I'm not quite sure how to narrow that down to a single advice, but the fear of the noise floor made a significant impact on how decisions were made during the recording process.
@AdamSpade
@AdamSpade 7 ай бұрын
Awesome videos as always Mr Kraft.
@DestroyER82
@DestroyER82 7 ай бұрын
Amen to all what you said..
@Reg-Edit
@Reg-Edit 7 ай бұрын
Great advice 🖐❤️ apart from the record to tape bit life is too short lol
@jknorratl
@jknorratl 7 ай бұрын
HA! @1:00.... write some music!!! that was great. Typical 80s song structure: V C V C B C .... Love this video. Great tips and funny.
@thegazwaz640
@thegazwaz640 7 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this. You hit a lot of nails on the heads there Epsen. Doesn't matter what I record it always ends up sounding from the 80's. At the age of 54 it's probably in my blood by now. Love your channel.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@anx1
@anx1 7 ай бұрын
Nice episode liked the tip about manual drum fills and sampled synths just been listening to scritti politi there music was so well produced must of been s a sampler involved
@AutPen38
@AutPen38 7 ай бұрын
Scritti's hit album 'Cupid and Psyche 85' had a few tracks produced by Arif Martin who did Chaka Khan's "I Feel For You" (which utilized a sampler) and the liner notes credit Simon Climie (of Climie Fisher) and J J Jeczalik (of The Art of Noise) with Fairlight programming. It was at the forefront of sampling and the latest production techniques at the time.
@Geoff-D
@Geoff-D 7 ай бұрын
Great video! 🙂
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@Fred_Free
@Fred_Free 7 ай бұрын
Also use instrumental parts and supporting catchy synth hooks in addition to the vocals. 😎
@mimoochodom2684
@mimoochodom2684 7 ай бұрын
Fantastic tips. Can you do a vid showcasing them. Especially the "modulation" technique. Thanks.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! Sure, did that numerous times already. I link to one of my videos at the end of this showing this. "Why do 80s music sound so good?".
@mimoochodom2684
@mimoochodom2684 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft Thanks. I'm allowed one dumb question a month. 👍
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee 7 ай бұрын
Another tip is to try a leveller or "broadcast limiter" on the master, if you want a hyped FM-radio sound. Stations would use gear to enhance or hype the sound between the turntable and transmitter. You can go down thevrabbit hole of 80s radio station enhancer gear, if you're into that sound. People used to wonder why the song sounded different on the radio vs on the tape/record, and that was one of the reasons why.
@GizzyDillespee
@GizzyDillespee 7 ай бұрын
That's assuming you'd first treated your sounds as Espen recommended, in this video. If you put 80s broadcast sweeteners on a modern mix, it's not going to make that kind of mix sound like the 80s.
@kropjesla01
@kropjesla01 7 ай бұрын
thank you very much these are all very usefull tips.
@channelnamegoeshere4670
@channelnamegoeshere4670 7 ай бұрын
I think Sega Genesis/Megadrive was polarizing because it was often loud and bassy, it did follow a lot of these other rules though (probably because it started in the 80s and is all digital)!
@thedarklandsmusic
@thedarklandsmusic 7 ай бұрын
I want a t-shirt like that!
@RANDOMLOOPGENERATOR
@RANDOMLOOPGENERATOR 7 ай бұрын
Excellent 👌
@EgoShredder
@EgoShredder 7 ай бұрын
Extra points for the lovely IBM Thinkpad in the background there; an early 2000s model?
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! It's a IBM Thinkpad 600 from 1998.
@SXTransmission
@SXTransmission 7 ай бұрын
You didn't talk much about guitars, I guess because you generally don't have them on your music. For all the synths there were in 80's pop, drummers/guitarists/singers and bassists still outnumbered the keyboardists by a good amount. Of course so many synth-using bands were staffed by converted guitarists (how very dare they! ;) Gary Numan, Human League, Depeche Mode, to name the more famous. Still, for pop type guitar stuff I'd say use chorus and compressor pedals, lay off the "blues" type playing, instead get nifty with the arpeggios. For bass guitar, chorus was also sometimes used, often with the desire to sound more like a synth bass and not rockist at all. Love your channel!
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
True. If I did 15 tips I would include the guitar. I even dedicated one total episode of my series "A Song Is Born" to guitars in 80s pop.
@SXTransmission
@SXTransmission 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft ooh! nice, I will check that out!!
@georgeelmes690
@georgeelmes690 7 ай бұрын
Please interview Andy Richards! synth on Relax and many other tunes. He has done some podcasts but I think he'd be great on here
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Interesting man for sure.
@magicknight8412
@magicknight8412 7 ай бұрын
Also add a liberal dose of 808 hihat in there somewhere and add one or two "Hey!" samplse from Art of noise or "Ah yeah!" sample!
@Janomix
@Janomix 7 ай бұрын
I can resume to: get a time machine and back to the eighties... unless you are a rich guy with a lot of vintage drum mashines... thanks!
@ingoodmusic
@ingoodmusic 7 ай бұрын
I like that creepy music videos from your attic, very atmospheric😹
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
I'm a creepy guy. ;-)
@ingoodmusic
@ingoodmusic 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft Love you humor
@FixerUK
@FixerUK 7 ай бұрын
That top is so Atari.
@crhkrebs
@crhkrebs 7 ай бұрын
Espen, I so agree with your No. 1 pick. That side chain compression of bass and kick is such an overused cliché now. The sound, to my old ears, is terrible.
@mp3magnet
@mp3magnet 7 ай бұрын
Melodies and chords….. this advice made me a bit sad. Key component of music somehow got forgotten or diminished
@dwsel
@dwsel 7 ай бұрын
Please do the list how to sound 90s
@MegaCraptacular
@MegaCraptacular 2 ай бұрын
If you have to pick one track to not quantize, leave your bass alone! Play it!
@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze
@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze 7 ай бұрын
I have followed all your advice since the eighties except #2 and #12 and I stopped following #6 and #10 in 1996 and, in a subtle way, #9 in 2013, so I guess I am doing pretty well.
@ladyapp-titude
@ladyapp-titude 7 ай бұрын
#14. Listen while on cocaine.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
I couldn't put that in the video itself. :P
@activelow9297
@activelow9297 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft Espen's into blow? Lol, I never would have suspected you were that kind of guy.
@FixerUK
@FixerUK 7 ай бұрын
You also forgot to make sure you have the best peacocking style haircut and attire and always have a serious look.😋
@AnaamSings
@AnaamSings 7 ай бұрын
For the love of all that is good - don't sound like a crying little brat when you sing anything. sing like you mean it. STOP WHINING in (auto) tune and calling it 'singing' Liked that ironic touch about having to show what a DODO is for the DODO's of this world lol - awesome video - thank you!
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 6 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@GlobalCitizen369
@GlobalCitizen369 7 ай бұрын
❤🔥🔥🔥
@_TheViewer_
@_TheViewer_ 21 күн бұрын
Thanks for uploading, this really brought me close ! ANY WAY YOU MIGHT HELP ? How can I emulate the sound of the dialogue or the general tonal/sound quality from 80s ANIME, like the first dragon ball episode in a daw today ? ✌️
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 21 күн бұрын
I have no idea. Cheers
@_TheViewer_
@_TheViewer_ 21 күн бұрын
@@EspenKraft Thanks for the reply 👋
@KieronEdwards
@KieronEdwards 7 ай бұрын
"Don't use too much reverb" unless you're Depeche Mode recording "Black Celebration"
@meneerjansen00
@meneerjansen00 7 ай бұрын
What about: "Use 4 on the floor (Disco) for EVERY song."? 😁
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Terrible advice. ;-)
@meneerjansen00
@meneerjansen00 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft Ha ha, I agree. However, in my memory a lot of '80's songs were all too simple 4 on the floor songs so the girls could dance to it. Except for shoe-gazing and synth music. Good luck w/ your channel.
@SPAZZOID100
@SPAZZOID100 7 ай бұрын
Nope. That is not accurate.
@Portal-Yonathan
@Portal-Yonathan 7 ай бұрын
Hi Espen, I hope you are feeling very well! What if I don't want to use Drum Machines or Drum Samples? I want to play manually the powerful Simmons SDSV electronic drum synthesizer live together with the Hi-Hat, Crash and Ride. 😊 What is your opinion of that?
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Just go for it. Playing a live drum kit is definitely one way to do it and lots of acts did that in the 80s. If you're doing pop you should play to a click though. Solid timing (with a human feel) is key.
@Portal-Yonathan
@Portal-Yonathan 7 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft Thank you very much for everything, please never stop making Italo Disco! Take care of yourself and best regards from Uruguay!
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Many thanks! I don't often hear from Uruguay so this was nice. Take care! :)
@EnervatedSociety
@EnervatedSociety 7 ай бұрын
What about Sampler/keyboards with internal sequencers for drums? Like an Emu or Ensoniq, for example. Also, what about "MIDI Groove Templates" made from classic drum machines?
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
Internal sequencers could be a lot of fun. Midi Groove templates had very little in common with the internal groove of the actual hardware drum machine.
@legacygone
@legacygone 4 ай бұрын
whats the benefit of sampling analog synths and then recording from the sampler? What does it do to the sound to make it more 80s?
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 4 ай бұрын
Sampling was new tech in the 80s. You got a sampler and you could sample synths, vocals, drums etc and create new sounds and textures. Layering synths and then sample that. Sampling sounds to make new textures was used a lot in the 80s. The sound coming from these samplers had a sound of its own and that sound defined the 80s and that's why we do the same thing today to capture that. You cannot create authentic sounding 80s synthpop without using samplers from that era.
@legacygone
@legacygone 4 ай бұрын
@@EspenKraft Thanks! love your videos.
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@stefanhennig
@stefanhennig 7 ай бұрын
Came for some good advice on retro sounds, stayed for the roast of today's music.
@trollingisasport
@trollingisasport 7 ай бұрын
Haha. A lot of this is what I do. I hate the sidechaining bass. It's so overdone.
@afterjoe3042
@afterjoe3042 7 ай бұрын
Hey Espen! What is the song that we hear at 4:32?
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 7 ай бұрын
It's my cover of New Order's "Round and Round".
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