144. Scapegoat or Sacrifice? Nina Paley Reframes Group Dynamics & Cancel Culture

[@brigidlasage]

Thank you for this conversation and to you both for your courage!! I wish we could all support each other somehow. Every single canceled woman serves to terrify thousands more into silence.

[@ienekevanhouten4559]

I love Nina’s art! I have shared the short “if you must believe” many times. Please don’t give up.

[@soutinefan]

What a great pleasure to see the creator of Sita Sings the Blues and Seder Masochism. Both (but particularly Sita) are beyond wonderful. After I discovered them I sent links to their KZbin versions to everyone I know. Sometimes I just re-watch one or the the other because they never get old to me.

[@nejafeja]

My late brother showed me "Sita Sings the Blues" years ago... I never knew who made it, so happy to find Nina Paley

[@Zzyzzyx]

What a fascinating conversation. Tyranny - copyright - etiquette ... I've never heard these ideas linked before, and I wish that that part of the conversation had been developed more! But it went down other interesting and important paths.

[@troll_kin9456]

Rare and refreshing to hear an artist come out so strongly against copyright. Some of her arguments sounded like they may have been influenced by Stephen Kinsella or Jeff Tucker. Copyright was the foot in the door to attack free speech online. It forced tech platforms to create these vast systems of automated content policing that would later be turned towards enforcing any peculiar preference of people in power.

[@karinelaxa959]

❤ Nina! A brilliant artist ahead of her time!

[@tomsteinberg8106]

Enjoyable, thought-provoking conversation that had me stopping to visit Nina P's website & read some of her essays. Life is complicated. I like the reference to music so frequently running in our minds. Ah, my internal soundtrack: "New Speedway Boogie; "Ship of Fools" & so here we go...(75 years upon my head and still you...)

[@Nannie-jx2px]

I love her cards they're a great conversation starter... And an education about all of this.. on players of all sides💜

[@adii.3665]

I can't believe the American Chinese-like Cultural Revolution hasdestroyed the carrer of someone as talented as Paley. I really love her Sita and Seder movies and was hoping for more. Stay strong Paley! You are bright and gifted, they have nothing on you, just a herd of sheople.

[@Knuck_Knucks]

Thank you for your time ladies. 🐿

[@liverpoolmary2860]

I love Nina Paley I look Forward to this

[@HebaruSan]

Stephanie, have you read Jo Freeman's _Trashing: The Dark Side of Sisterhood_ ? It sounds like that was the term for "cancellation" in 1976. If Ms. Freeman is still with us, she might have some interview-worthy insights to share. (And the 50th anniversary of that article is coming up!)

[@weird_al77]

I had no idea who Nina was until she brought out the deck of cards and I realised I had followed her on twitter! I was banned from twitter a few months ago and haven't gone back, so I have lost track of so many people now.

[@Zzyzzyx]

1:00:00 As to purity, and saying that "this is human nature, so all humans behave this way, including me:" I don't agree with Nina. We *don't* all act the same, and whether or not we scapegoat others depends on our chosen behavior. Some people don't choose that behavior, and they are not lying to themselves to know that.

[@troll_kin9456]

I agree with her that it's human nature, but part of what makes humans unique is that they have higher brain functions with a limited capacity to override (redirect?) their primal impulses and make different choices.

[@Zzyzzyx]

@troll_kin9456 Yes, you said it better than I did.

[@Bee.Gee.]

I'm glad gender-critical views are being given a platform, but being against copyright laws is just off the wall. Copyright laws exist for a reason. Intellectual property is property, and I don't want anybody stealing mine. It's called plagiarism and it's both illegal and unethical.

[@HebaruSan]

_Some_ copyright infringements are plagiarism, but others are not. If I redistributed your work without permission but gave you credit, that would infringe your copyright without plagiarizing.

[@troll_kin9456]

Everything exists for a reason, but those reasons aren't always good. If you want to see off-the-wall, you should check out the Randians' views on intellectual property. They apply the logic of intellectual property consistently and you see where it leads you.

[@cortezrange5950]

Parents are the teachers of language in a community Which a young child could be introduced into

[@cortezrange5950]

Yes a child could have their own understanding Towards a lesson Which a person wouldn't think That I wouldn't be

[@megankwisdom]

I would have thought eve is the quintessential scapegoat of the Bible, you know, since everyone blames her for original sin and everything