146 - The Murder of Julie Bell Davis

[@Laura-tp8wz]

I lived in CR for almost 15 years and this is the first I’ve heard of this case. Thank you for presenting this, Stephen. So sad. RIP Julie.

[@kellysblackcat]

I hate thinking about how these killers get to carry on with their lives without being caught. So sad for the victims and the family never getting that piece of justice. Another great video.. Hopefully someone sees it and can give some answers. 💚

[@Jared_Wignall]

As an Iowan, I’ve heard about this here and there, but it’s not covered as much as some of the other crimes that have happened around here. Nice to hear you cover this, keep up the great work!

[@nicoleanne8390]

Where at in Iowa? I’m in CR and I’ve never heard of this case!

[@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717]

The only Iowa murder/disappearance cases I've heard of are those of Michelle Martinko and Jodi Huisentruit...and I've listened to/read a lot about true crime.

[@Jared_Wignall]

@@nicoleanne8390 I live in Des Moines, where the murder took place. Likely why I have heard about it.

[@Jared_Wignall]

@@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717 those cases are probably some of the best known that have happened in Iowa. Because murders and disappearances like those don’t happen much in the state, any case like those are often highlighted. It’s interesting how this case isn’t as well known.

[@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717]

@@Jared_Wignall Might have something to do with the fact that in those two cases, the wmn were young, blonde, single and one was a famous local TV personality. Just my theory.

[@lisafanucchi5939]

Who in the heck dislikes this!? The work you do is amazing! Thank you for your channel... it’s my FAVORITE 😍😍😍

[@iclite3656]

Maybe the killer or the killers friends or family. Idk. 😐

[@marklittler784]

People with Hodgkins disease and people in need of their eyes or brains testing.

[@lisafanucchi5939]

@@marklittler784 lol 😂

[@treasurehunteruk9718]

The only problem I have, is they are usually too long. An hour and twenty minutes. Some of the stuff is irrelevant and repetitive. I often put it off before the end, when I have had the general idea of the murder, or skip to the end. I think they could be done in half the time. They are very good though. Good sound and picture.

[@marklittler784]

@@treasurehunteruk9718 Yeah so your not necessarily disliking what it is but how its presented.

[@Kenlydford]

You do a great job presenting the facts of these cases and unpacking it all at the end. I like your channel and the hard work you put in them. Great job.

[@lucylove4514]

Kenneth, I agree with you!

[@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717]

After going on vacation, I always hate unpacking.

[@Kenlydford]

@@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717 lol. Good one. I let it chill for a while

[@laurenferguson226]

So excited about a new episode! My ❤️ aches for her family. Her children lost their mother so young. It kind of reminds me of the Missy Beavers case in the sense that I believe she was targeted and we have no idea if it was a male or a female. Sales can be a “cut throat” competitive industry. (I’m sorry to use that discriptor but it’s true, I’ve worked in sales and managed sales people). Just as she gets this promotion she is killed, I don’t think that can be ignored. It was greed and jealousy, that’s what reminds of the Missy Beavers case. Thank you Steven for another great episode-Lauren Ferguson

[@katerryjackson749]

This gives me Bevers vibe too. Somebody has literally gotten away with murder for over 20 years

[@Jolenesmart1980]

Sorry to ask why do you sign off your name different to your KZbin surname?

[@laurenferguson226]

@@Jolenesmart1980 n I got married

[@Lesnooch]

I don't often believe in the 'hitman' narrative, but in this case it could make sense.

[@jasonkrohmer2325]

Thank you Steven. You do important work and you do it well.

[@candyrain09able]

YES.....Trace Evidence Notification made my day. Thank You Steven ❤️

[@melchiando]

Very strange murder, scary. Motive is compelling. Good to see your numbers go up Mr. Pacheko. Sorry for the spelling I'm sure. You deserve all the youtube success!

[@jobatte3810]

Sounds like the killer was very forensically aware. This could point to one of the police/forensic people working in the same building.

[@mikeferguson5935]

I was thinking the exact same thing. Over and over it was stated the perp was a pro. Who knows more about crime investigation than police.

[@julianjolts5050]

@@mikeferguson5935 investigators lol

[@gwenprice9290]

My thoughts exactly

[@pulaski1]

As we are looking for someone who killed silently, by surprise, and by slitting their throat, I would examine possible suspects looking for military experience/ training.

[@marklittler784]

46:17 Pipers tips on avoiding trouble at a hotel are certainly good ones that many of us would never of even have had cross our minds.

[@lynncrf]

Thank you so much. I was going to re-listen to find that timestamp.

[@Knowfere]

Surely I can't be the only one who suspects a bad cop who was part of the group using another section of the building? Being that investigators consider Julie's murder appeared so professional. Also the investigators were so tight lipped, can't help but wonder if they suspected one of their own and that's why they kept so much info to themselves.

[@jimsullivan2813]

That was my first thought. She may have seen or heard something, or was believed to have seen or heard something, and sadly, this is how it was handled. It is a theory that should be considered.

[@dgg2999]

That’s exactly what I think. What are the odds that the killer leaves no trace of evidence especially with all that blood. It would also make sense why she would let the killer in cause who thinks a cop would randomly kill them. It would also make sense after he cut her throat he’d stab her in the stomach cause he knew about the unsolved crime

[@Sadmad21]

I think to

[@aaronmatheson1543]

I have been having a marathon and you come through buddy!

[@LadyIarConnacht]

So, some acquaintance of hers just happens to show up and find her body? And the cops interview this person but it "doesn't go anywhere?" And there were cops working all around the area? Sounds pretty suspicious to me. Why wasn't this person heavily investigated?

[@marthaaccettullo3174]

So happy I found you . Your voice is great

[@kat2270]

I wonder if the murderer had met or seen Julie when she viewed her new office in the high rise downtown office building. He might have overheard her discussing when she was due to move out of her current workplace. Piper gave tips on not saying the details of your room in a hotel out loud. He worked on maintenance of heating systems, could he have been around there working at the time and overheard her discussing the move?

[@lenafranklin7262]

You got it

[@thisisme3238]

It's possible, no doubt

[@shereemoskow]

Yes! And he also said not to prop open your door! I think that's why the door was open and he saw the opportunity.

[@corporatehousing5452]

I used to travel for work and spent 3 months in the IA (Dubuque) region. Nice people out there but definitely very spooky and the type of place I just always felt like crime is high. Randoms, migrants, homeless, drug addicts everywhere. Out of coincidence I mentioned it to my hotel front desk staff and I’ll never forget she said “oh last night the police were here they found a murdered man laying on a mattress out by our dumpster” 😳

[@marklittler784]

Everything about Julie's case seems strange unusual and random.

[@ellenwalker4377]

i liked it before starting to listen, b/c i adore you! you used to get better each time, then you became great and stayed awesome!

[@larryrobertson2150]

I don't think it was a serial killer who had stalked her because her schedule would have been too irregular.

[@lenafranklin7262]

Piper saw her taking items from her office, and the door was propped open. He took it as an opportunity. Serial killers can change m.o. at times it's a power Play

[@dpglounge4900]

After watching these I often wonder.. will any of these tragically ever get solved?? 😢😭 😥

[@Lesnooch]

Most cases covered in this podcast will probably not be solved. But we can hope eh?

[@olawaleesan4672]

DNA technology is more advanced now so there is still hope. And also, the killer might confess, maybe.

[@thisisme3238]

Let's hope some of these cases get solved, to give closure to family and loved ones.

[@xancypillosi9497]

Some do. 5-7% maybe. Depending how much time passes

[@MultiSmartass1]

Notes: 1) This was not a random crime. Nothing about the circumstances strike me as spontaneous on the part of the assailant . Jullie was found in a storeroom at the Business Park. Every indication seems to be that whomever killed Julie knew her schedule that day and knew when she was going to be moving items. 2) Donald Piper isn't the killler here. Piper chose a location he knew from his job- namely hotels. He bound his victims, stripped them partially and strangled them as well as stabbed them. These signatures don't add up in Julie's case. 3) This unsub strikes as me as a professional killer. No footprint, no fingerprint . no fibers. No evidence left behind. This has to be an individual who knew their way in or out. and how to leave quietly and unobtrusively 4) Julie apparently was an effective marketer and saleswoman with this firm. I get the feeling her death had something to do with the business .Someone clearly wanted her eliminated and succeeded

[@paulad.patterson4732]

Perhaps a colleague who was jealous of her success? Due to lack of evidence, perhaps a LEO?

[@MultiSmartass1]

@@paulad.patterson4732 A jealous colleague? Possible but unlikely. I think this was related to the business and industry in some way. strikes me as a hit job.

[@carolelegault9545]

Good job! Newly addicted!

[@Jolenesmart1980]

Wow newbie !! Welcome it’s brilliant, especially to just put on the side while in bed chilling out or drifting off

[@shawndouglass2939]

@@Jolenesmart1980 yes that's what I Do also

[@blueridger28]

Awesome content, you got a lot of catching up to do but when it comes to TE that's not a bad thing.

[@shawndouglass2939]

You should check out Deadbug says, he's really graphic an doesnt pull any punches "Deadbug Says "

[@josephdale69]

I was going to bed. Not anymore. My favorite KZbinr

[@rosierosie62]

Why did she want to move offices? Maybe there we have a reason, that she did not want run ins with somebody who worked in that complex too. Somebody she broke up with or rebuffed his affections or was afraid of, maybe all of it. That person might have military training, and knew she was moving out that day and it was his last chance for revenge. Somebody who would not look out of place being there. I think her death was not random nor the work of a serial killer or a hitman.

[@bsee205]

A crime scene employee in the same building would have known she’d be in that office and they would know exactly how cover their tracks. And just because her husband had an alibi doesn’t mean he couldn’t have set it up.

[@MikeB071]

46:05 Tips from a serial killer on how not to become a victim...Advice from an expert, I guess...

[@nicoleanne8390]

Wow 😮 I’ve never heard of this case and I’m from Cedar Rapids!! 🤔And I love true crime and have definitely been on the Iowa cold case website many many times!! I don’t remember this case at all.... 🧐.... may she rest in paradise and 🙏 prayers to her family and friends🥰🥺

[@donnawoobiebennett1624]

I have been watching and interested in true crime for so many years now and of course some cases affect me more than others especially missing children in death of children but I don't know what it is about this case I have been crying it's just so sad especially that they have been able to solve it!! I appreciate all that you do to keep us aware of these cold cases. I am so impressed in the way you tell them in the way they're written. I have been listening to you and your voice is absolutely perfect for this I mean it's a terrible thing to think of your voice is perfect for called cases but you know what I mean!! Keep up the good work your appreciated very much!! Hugs, Woobie 💕

[@marklittler784]

Julie and her husband's jobs don't tally it certainly seems she would be the bigger earner and also spending more time working, being a fire fighter you would probably be working shifts if you worked at night the children wouldn't be home alone during the day, Julie and her husband must of spent a considerable time apart working every week.

[@lisawhereisthecultjam]

I wonder if they looked into who was arrested from the area, locked up, then released back into the area three years later. I'm sure they did. It would fit the time frame nicely.

[@DavidGonzalez-ov5dx]

Great presentation btw

[@shawndouglass2939]

How do you make macaroni creepy??

[@DavidGonzalez-ov5dx]

@@shawndouglass2939 lol...I'm a creepy pasta fan...I'm unsure if your aware of what that is...it's all over the tube..

[@shawndouglass2939]

@@DavidGonzalez-ov5dx yes I've heard of creepy pasta, haven't checked it out yet😜

[@DavidGonzalez-ov5dx]

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[@houseofsolomon2440]

@@DavidGonzalez-ov5dx Will do ☑️

[@wintergarden7539]

It's definitely somebody who knew her.

[@aaroncalderon6928]

It seems people are subscribed and got the bell notifications just to hurry up and thumbs down your videos.Haters in the house, its a shame too, you're one of the best and most thorough

[@tracieday6503]

Stephanie Harlow and Mr. Steve here are the cream of the crop in You Tube crime.

[@Jolenesmart1980]

Agreed I love Stephanie although lately she’s seems to bang on about not relevant information a bit much like she gets lost ? Dunno if you noticed it a lot have , like literally talk for fifteen minutes about irrelevant stuff then realise and come back to the story , other than that shes great , there are loads of other true crime channels though check out .... that chapter ... criminally listed .... Eleanor neale ... and a million others

[@allan9603]

@@Jolenesmart1980 Stephanie is now doing these dancing skits while in the kitchen brewing coffee, pimping the coffee maker, the music and a few more products. Yes, it does cost money to be an amateur sleuth, but as you mentioned, stay focused on your theme. Save the dancing for the night club.

[@JW-28]

John Lordan is quality. Stephanie is annoying af but opinions are like azzholes, everybody has one.

[@Firebrand1967]

For me... Casefile and Trace Evidence are the two top tier true crime podcasts on here.

[@ggmag7]

Bailey Sarian is my number 1 but this is for sure near the top and definitely ranked higher than Stephanie Harlowe. I cannot deal with John Lordon's camera angles.

[@geminismom4u]

You. Are. The. Best! 🏆 Always on time for my study hour. 🙌

[@cherrycoke6253]

The fact that there was a lack of evidence, that the killer knew what he was doing, that Julie was comfortable letting him in, that there was no concern about the police being nearby. makes me wonder, if her perpetrator was someone from law enforcement, just across the way.

[@Jolenesmart1980]

Or a friend ? Makes the same sense

[@Jolenesmart1980]

A friend would of course have fingerprints there dna from previous visits so would be ruled out 👍🤷‍♀️

[@nicoleanne8390]

Yep I believe this as well!

[@marklittler784]

No dna after using s knife, police commonly wear gloves.

[@shawndouglass2939]

Sounds legit to me😋

[@misskelly9184]

It was nice that the serial killer in jail was giving tips to keep people safe. I definitely would take his advice because he knows!!

[@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717]

That serial murderer is a really, really, really niice guy.

[@TJ-si7ug]

Those police must have felt so horrible, having a murder that close had to be like a kick in the balls,whoever did it was either crazy or brilliant🤷🤷.

[@amyevans1118]

Could it be possible that a Police Officer or a Rookie Officer committed the first murder! She did work close enough to the police office for the officers to make a statement that if she screamed out for help someone would've heard her and helped her since the two offices were close together. This is just my opinion. If you disagree or have a difference of opinion text below hopefully someone can Crack this case. Good Luck and Please remember to keep the victims loved ones in your prayers. Thank you

[@joycecruz270]

WAS IN THE U.S.AMY AND A COP

[@the_gilded_age_phoenix8717]

You've heard the music, my ninjas, it's that magical mystery time again.

[@marnajones6998]

So there wasn't any surveillence cameras there.. Smh

[@insaneoptimist5152]

Various police agencies in the immediate area.?? Who would feel comfortable committing a murder in an area known for a heavy police presence ❓❓

[@lenafranklin7262]

A serial killer

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

A cop.

[@bobh9785]

did the police office have security cameras? seems like the perp, at minimum, would need to know her schedule AND the general schedule at the police office. i hate suggesting police officee as suspect but i am wobdering if that angle was ever considered. tragic case. i hope some new information leads to answers for her loved ones

[@dalhousieDream]

Maybe it was a cop from next door. Maybe a sexual rebuff from Julie toward the murderer.

[@jesterskully563]

I love your channel Steve

[@marklittler784]

It looks like she might have caught a repeat offender in the act, that doesn't want to go back inside for a very long time, maybe its burglars or thieves the police should be looking at, not killers or sexual offenders.

[@joseantoniomoch4006]

Puzzling indeed. In the vein of the 1986 NY hotel murders. Nicely narrated and illustrated.

[@TheGameHHH2000]

Great presentation Steven

[@nottheone3201]

Someone comfortable with the area, knew Julie, aware of how to not leave evidence, not afraid of a police presence. Possibly a cop knew her in passing from around the building. He had a crush on her. She was moving out of the building. He needed to make a move before she left. She turned him down. He was furious, embarrassed, and belittled. He reacted in rage.

[@shawndouglass2939]

Just as good as any other theory😇

[@thisisme3238]

Wow! What an imagination you have!!

[@sarahholland2600]

@@thisisme3238 not really. As soon as they said no forensic evidence, not a fibre, not a fingerprint etc etc, I thought of the Police there. Also moving to new offices that were nearby: if she's only there once or twice a week, why bother?

[@jonfomaw756]

I keep wondering why the rear door was left slightly open! Was it for the person who found her ? I think it was arranged “hit” by some one who knew her! Was she having an affair?

[@WallStreetWill86]

I am leaning towards this person who "found her body" because he got curious about the door being ajar. Unless you knew for a fact who was inside there and knew her enough to know she would be alone, it doesn't seem like a stranger would have taken the chance (piper) I am thinking this is someone who knew Julie and the person who found her could have known her enough not to set off alarms if he got close. Lastly, it seems very odd anyone else would give a damn about the door being ajar in the first place unless they were connected to that building somehow and knew that door was supposed to be closed and locked. How would a stranger just in the area know that door shouldn't be open ,and more, why be alarmed if it was ajar?

[@tnfatbelly]

Thanks, Steven! I’ve been jonesin’ for a new case to mull over. Anybody else having trouble with the CC though?

[@am2023]

I dont see them :/

[@tnfatbelly]

@@am2023 Ok, at least it isn’t just me. This one was a bit harder for me to follow for some reason, too.

[@shawndouglass2939]

I'm getting them but it took a little while to come up after I turned them on😜

[@katrinarose72]

💯 the acquaintance. There is no such thing as coincidence. He didn’t happen to just show up and find her dead

[@marklittler784]

Wonder what the full circumstances were of an aquaintance discovering her, the police are always suspicious of the person discovering the body but nowhere as much as the husband, relatives, friends and aquaintances, certainly looks like they're deliberately withholding an awful lot of information so they'll definitely know who did it if they ever get them.

[@marklittler784]

Obviously someone that had business to do with the building was more highly likely to find her than a stranger to it though.

[@wintergarden7539]

I wish we knew in what way they were acquainted.

[@collinreesejones5525]

Bless you.. incredible job!

[@Benleyy]

Very weird that the person who found her's first instinct was to run out and call the police- i know nobody can truly say how theyd react to a situation like that, but wouldnt you check if they were okay? Why were they there if Julie had to let them in?

[@sarahholland2600]

It said the door was ajar and that there was a huge amount of blood . She had a slit throat plus stab wounds to her chest . He prob took one look & knew no one with their throat slit ever survives.

[@86crud]

Does the man not have a single alibi for any of those murders? By sheer chance alone, he should have at least one.

[@GenXfrom75]

You would think! Too big a "coincidence" for my liking. Not ONE alibi?

[@elizabethm6657]

You must spend a lot of time researching adjectives🤣

[@OikPoinFive]

I dont believe in adjectives aka adverbs,

[@SellieM6970]

18 minutes in and I want to know if she had life insurance, just sayin...

[@CDN1975]

If she wasn't normally where she was found, how did that acquaintance know she was there? He seems suspect.

[@susanbrown2909]

Well narrated stories. I think it was piper that killed julie;just because a different technique was used to kill the others,it was to cover up similarities and confuse the police. Question being:once piper was jailed ,did killings cease in the area. It’s said murders like the control they have; him not owning up to julies murder was his way of displaying power still,in connection with the evil deed.

[@donnablack6280]

My first thought was a security guard working in the vicinity, but when you said how close a police building was...Either way it's someone who knew what they were doing and enjoys the power trip of killing.

[@markj6681]

I am newly addicted too!!. Are you also updating the cases? How will we know when the cases are closed

[@pulaski1]

He does occasional case update videos, but only _very_ occasional. IIRC I think he has done one video with several updates, one whole (but short - maybe 20 minutes) episode on a case update, and a couple of "news flashes" tacked on to a video about a different case.

[@marklittler784]

Strange, I thought anyone carrying out multiple stabbings usually ended up cutting themselves and leaving dna behind so it looks like the person was wearing gloves, which maintenance men would often be wearing or thieves.

[@craighall689]

Well knuckle duster knife...no slippage there

[@craighall689]

Wasn't me just saying...k bar knife would do the trick also

[@craighall689]

Well you wouldn't msg your thoughts either lol

[@emmaroth2157]

So sorry i just woke upp now the time is 02:53 in night. So words fly all over. Sorry if its to hard to understand mig.

[@lynnjoburns2106]

I’m still stuck on her hubbie,police could b saying that he had a good alibi BUT sometimes

[@umbrastar]

Maybe one of the law enforcement people that worked in the same complex did it. They would know how to not leave evidence.

[@nicoleanne8390]

I was so thinking the same thing!!!

[@marklittler784]

Anyone that wears gloves

[@lenafranklin7262]

Oh Piper did kill her. Remember the door being ajar, the one that is supposed to lock behind you? Well that day she was MOVING things out of the office. Most likely she had the door propped open so she could move freely. This is when Piper saw her and it was a crime of opportunity. I'm sure he killed the 15 year old as well. No doubt he is a serial killer and they do change M.O.

[@JudeNance]

Sad story 😢

[@Pokeballemmily]

Do you happen to be on any podcasting apps ?

[@am2023]

He is on Google Google podcast for sure

[@the4flatgarage]

Who else would choose a knife, a very messy and personal choice, over a gun that would surely alert the Highway Patrol, a few doors down? Who else would have been known to Julie other than a business related person, or a jealous or slighted competitor? Who else would have seen Julie on more than one occasion there and knew that she would be alone? Who else but a tall, dark and handsome, that had a brief affair with Julie and now was spurned because she came to her senses and her faith and guilt had guided her back on track? Who else would know how to cover their tracks to the point of no traces at all? A highway patrolman, that's who.

[@wandacrowell6766]

I wonder if they looked at who got her sales route after she died? She wasn’t robbed or raped. She was killed professionally. Someone wanted her out of the way.

[@sarahholland2600]

My thoughts too. Visiting a satellite office twice a week is a great excuse to be away from home . Maybe the office move was part of an attempt to end the affair ( with someone on the business park or a client) & the lover took revenge.

[@brainsareus]

There is some strange censorship going on here. All I did, was say I was pained by the way men treat women...ie murder... In a bit more stark terms, granted.

[@gullwingstorm857]

And how women treat men. And how men and women treat children. You can't generalize, or you may as well just look in the mirror.

[@lenafranklin7262]

You look at the world , you watch who does what when. Motives. Look at facts, and factual evidence shows male offenders of violent crimes are much higher than female offenders. It's a very interesting topic that is good for research. Look at behaviour studies, social conditioning, circumstances etc. It's a complex system understanding crime of all types is interesting. For example teenage girls probably commit shoplifting at a higher rate than 80 year old women, etc. It's all so varied. Tapestry

[@lynnrowe5091]

Seems the police were being intentionally obtuse when the investigation began. It's suspicious that individuals with the knowledge about how to cover up a crime scene were very near the murder scene. It is interesting to me that,, from the very beginning, they were saying how difficult the crime would be to solve before they had even gone very far into the investigation. But what would be the motive?

[@MsGeoffh]

unhappy business acquaintance (initial thought after 10mins not happy to loose the lease) always follow the money we shall see.

[@steveholton4130]

Taking them in order of appearance: 1. Was the guy that "discovered" the body polygraphed? 2. Was Donald Piper's denial polygraphed? 3. Who is most expert at crime? Answer - Law enforcement. Have Federal authorities other than the FBI in that office been called in to investigate both offices in the complex? Any "perfect" crime my first bet is on LEO!

[@nicoleanne8390]

Yes I think it could very well be LE! Would also make sense why it wasn’t solved!!

[@GenXfrom75]

I wouldn't take a polygraph, whether guilty OR innocent. They are never "good" for people. They're not admissible for a reason. But if you're nervous and even if you're innocent, if it comes as inconclusive or even shows deception on a single question, police will start to focus solely on you, rather than continuing to investigate. It might look bad to some, but refusing a polygraph is the smartest thing to do if cops are questioning you regarding any crime.

[@jesusisGod1434]

Sad, a woman, much needed at home by her children, was working for some man, who didn’t even know what she was doing that day was then murdered. Horrible for her children and husband.

[@loredanadincu7930]

She choosed to work , so back off. Not all women want to only stay at home with the kids all day.

[@Lesnooch]

What? She obviously was passionate about her work, what are you on about?

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@loredanadincu7930 But as a mom, that us supposed to be your number one priority.

[@loredanadincu7930]

@@rockstarofredondo if she wanted to work that doesen't mean the children weren't the first priority to her. Maybe she was doing it because the money her husband maid weren't enough to rise those children. Also evreyone is allowed to choose what their priorities are in life and how they want to life their life. She didn't do anything wrong, her being at work for a few hours a day doesen't mean the children where traumatized for life. In some families both need to work to make ends meet or she simply didn't wanted to be a stay at home mom all day and whanted to do more with her life. And I am sorry she can't be blamed for that. You can't dictate what others should or should not do.

[@joycecruz270]

IT WAS A COP . SHE WAS SLEEPING WITH.

[@larryrobertson2150]

Maybe that's why she submitted the new lease to another building , to get away from/break it off with him. Why was there an ''acquaintance'' that just happen to be there to discover her?

[@shawndouglass2939]

Could be😜 just as good as any other theories I've read here😬

[@ravenrisby]

The person lives or works in the water boat ect

[@emmaroth2157]

Is there a tinre limit before they can start i nvestighet as in i Missin person/s ? Whit some of course actions to make

[@melissasaint3283]

They were all tied up, and nude from the waist down, but not sexually assaulted!? I mean, I'm glad their suffering wasn't compounded with a different kind of attack, but that is also very strange.

[@derekfutrell4908]

Is it so hard to believe that one of the cops in the building could have done it for some reason? The information was repeated multiple times that the killer knew how to cover their tracks, and that police investigation units worked in the same building as her.

[@nicoleanne8390]

Yep ! I think it was LE too!

[@Lesnooch]

What would be the motive for taking such a risk?

[@derekfutrell4908]

@@Lesnooch maybe she saw something she shouldn’t have seen, like a cop doing dirty business. But, besides that, what do people die over? Love (Sex etc) and money (drugs, etc)

[@marklittler784]

Way death occurred could depend on impliments available and whether you panicked or were disturbed, you might be killed only because you were a witness to someone about to commit a crime or you recognised someone masked, Julie might be intended to be a robbery or sexual assault victim but the killer was disturbed.

[@mjb47pappy]

You keep saying "him", maybe the killer was a "she".

[@pal1786]

Someone brought up life insurance. I wonder how much life insurance was on her? Obviously I don’t know who committed this horrific crime, but I am suspicious of the person who found her, but wonder how much was checked on the husband. He definitely knew she’d be there. I know physically he was elsewhere. I know so many times it’s the spouse, but not always so it’s so hard to say. You just wonder how thoroughly the two I mentioned here were checked out. And you hate to accuse or point fingers but you just wonder. God rest her soul and bring her killer to justice.

[@deborahchandler4584]

It could have been a hit job with the person dressing as a police officer, and Julie would have not thought anything of it because they had an office in the building!! Usually follow the money, insurance, was husband having an affair?!!!

[@DodongoManoof]

Trace ev is The Best.

[@emmaroth2157]

Police and. media do known/s and therefore more quiet persons are in is kakulate kategori för normal trowh to trach. Yes persons. Sorry for spelling just woke one klock in the morgingc

[@lynnjoburns2106]

That isn’t necessarily so......sorry sent the text before I had finished

[@jakeseifried6819]

I think who ever did it also murdered my cousin Connie Ruddy in 1997 in Ida Grove Iowa very close to des monies.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

So was she why or black? Because they said DNA testing proof she was mixed but then I see a white woman. I guess she could be biracial but I'm just confused here

[@JudeNance]

I knew a realtor stabbed to death when she was showing a house.

[@lenafranklin7262]

Which one? I know of two but I'm sure there are many. 🌺🌺🌺

[@nicklasvoncloust5001]

I'm thinking that this woman was killed because of her position at work, or it's work related at least. I dunno why I just think this.

[@HighlightOfAshleyAshleymaher]

🖤🖤

[@emmaroth2157]

Non goverment expekt ore take that in to their matemathiks. Vi who survive should clap our own bak and insist . They had to go gå so the human natiure survive.

[@shawndouglass2939]

Hugh??

[@lowrider81hd]

The husband.

[@aaronmatheson1543]

Yahoo!!!

[@OikPoinFive]

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[@billyboy8534]

For murder!

[@choosetolivefree]

Phtanks Spheteven