1492 (Opening Titles)

[@ایرانبان-ظ3س]

Epic opening

[@Lysandros]

Vangelis really is one of the best soundtrack composers of our times!

[@RC19786]

epic opening and a sign of things to come from the the master of epics - Ridley Scott, his first proper foray into epic film-making, and despite its issues, the film was a decent watch with one of the great scores by another master- Vangelis.

[@margarethoxha]

"Greatest empire ever was the Ottoman Empire" Thankfully, it was (finally) defeated and buried. Glory to God!

[@38qaan]

Whose quote is that?

[@AliCheema-l2q]

Khalifat is coming very soon inshallah

[@Wadiyatalkinabeet_]

@@AliCheema-l2qYou must want another Holy League to defeat you again, huh? Remember Lepanto and Grenada?🇪🇸🇮🇹🇻🇦

[@CesarMendez-ib3yv]

Are You albanian? Land og gladiators❤❤

[@sandrate3867]

Such an impressionistic song.

[@OukaHimura123]

this is a cool song! and the movie was pretty cool too.

[@alsatian73]

the move "Elizabeth The Golden age" shows how powerful Spain was when it went to war with England... another good movie..

[@Wadiyatalkinabeet_]

This movie shits on “Elizabeth the Golden Age.” With all due respect

[@davidteetz553]

A great opening

[@dryarathena3759]

Best of music !!!

[@katalambda]

the spanish heritage is just outstanding and sooo extended nowadays, and of course, i feel proud of being spaniard.

[@lutherblissett7873]

Pues empieza por escribirlo en castellano.

[@igap6304]

Ardido^ que cree leyenda negra

[@twinkthatloveslotrtrilogy7676]

I wonder why Spaniards dont took over world like UK

[@Wadiyatalkinabeet_]

I’m not a Spaniard, I’m not even Southern European by blood. I don’t have a drop of it in me. The Spanish Empire makes me proud to be a Roman Catholic though. I truly believe God blessed the Church and through Spain rewarded Catholicism with the evangelization of the America’s. Ave Christus Rex!✝️🙏🏻

[@alsatian73]

The Romans named the areas separately, Lusitania- (Portugal) & Hispania- (Spain)

[@john-j7e7e]

lusitania was also part of central spain

[@Omerath9]

Quoting from wikipedia: "The unification of the kingdoms of Aragon and Castile laid the basis for modern Spain and the Spanish Empire." The latter happened in the 15th century.

[@Jyromi]

The best piece of the soundtrack

[@2007bing]

Conquistadors!

[@SenecaTheYounger]

Your are right.

[@terencejoy]

RIP Vangelis

[@gelisgeo1309]

Music from Vangelis 🇬🇷

[@Omerath9]

Portugal had also a huge empire not just in terms of wealth, but in land all over the world, and eventhough Spain was more powerful in military terms which was crucial for its expansions, the fact is that very few nations in Europe were able to match the Portuguese Empire.

[@claudio38130]

L'heure est venue, afin que JE BÂTISSE LE NOUVEAU MONDE SUR TERRE. 🙏❤️❤️❤️🕊️

[@CesarMendez-ib3yv]

If you are listening this in 2024 you are a legend

[@Omerath9]

I´ve explained it endless times, Spain did not exist. "Hispania" was merely a name for the region given by the Romans. When Spain was created, they decided to make an adaption to name their nation after "Hispania". Portugal and Spain are nations of "Hispania" (according to the roman name of that region", "Al-andalus" (according to the moorish name), and Iberia (according to the greek name if I´m not mistaken".) Spain means Espana: the nation, not Hispania, the roman name for the region.

[@al-iman3712]

Un drama total y eterno

[@tizona101]

Espana is a direct translation of hispania from latin to castilian which happened to be the whole area including the Portugal land it is the same name,people from Spain espana or hispania spoke latin until around 1000AD. when the whole place was governed by a king in 567AD it makes it a kingdom , when the moors came the Visigoth people infiltrated into Spain's north making them the first Spanish people with a lost nation thats why it ended been called Spain not Andalucia

[@dreedee]

@77Fortran no... im not on drugs now, but, just because you mentioned it, we can wrap that up in here as well. People use substances for a variety of reasons, one of them can be for mind-expanding purposes, that is also known as the psychedelic realm. When under the influence of chemical or fully natural psico-actives (shamanic)the brain starts operating in a different wave length, allowing the experiencer to access "information" layers that were seemingly invisible to the 5 senses array.

[@RC1138BOSS]

Geiler film

[@luigifiorentini]

Great movie, 30 yars old

[@jean-christophemoreau3018]

The begining of the end for Amérindiens...

[@chourtout]

they were more than happy to get their revenge on aztecs

[@Wadiyatalkinabeet_]

They were plagued with Revenge against the Aztecs. So much so, they sided with the Spanish and it costed them. Not the Spanish fought these people were Sinned with Revenge. The Lord says Revenge is his. They were just as much of sinners as the Aztecs. They sold their soul for Revenge, and God Blessed his most Holy, Righteous and Divine Church (The Roman Catholic Church) with the lands in return.

[@iamsargon]

The three ships Columbus sailed to the New World were not ocean-going vessels. Yet within 20 years a Spanish Fleet circumnavigated the Earth!!!

[@77Fortran]

@bohemianwriter1 I think this is understating the significance of the secular scientific revolution that originated in Europe. The understanding of the physical world that has been achieved in the past 400 years, overwhelmingly in the West, completely dwarfs the efforts of previous cultures and civilizations.

[@tizona101]

no what im saying is that its not incorrect to use the term Spain when one refers about that area a place thats had the same name for more than 2000 years with roman occupancy its not incorrect to say that Spain began before the 15th century not as a nation but as a place that would end up been a nation with almost all its original land and name and language

[@moscovo967]

I understand your point.. ;). And it is acceptable until a certain degree. As it is only a theorical analysis from my point of view. In practical terms we have to analyse the human factor. If the people of Spain and Portugal were robots and would only use racionality analysis in their considerations then it would be of most importance an union between them, with a coordination of efforts to prevent the rising of other nations.

[@Cachoeira1986]

good summary Lysandros

[@aldoperosa6510]

este tema ,hispaniola es el tema del choque de las culturas..

[@NessiMauzz]

Does anybody know where I can find the whole movie?

[@moscovo967]

In practical terms this meant that Portugal would have to defend the same size of an empire with less then half the manpower spain had. And that's something epic. Doesn't real matter the size of an empire. What matters is the amount of people that can sustain it. ;). Best regards to all.

[@Omerath9]

I agree with the point you are making, but I am of the opinion that the masses never truly dictated anything (only an opinion), thus I believe that what primarily made a healthy alliance impossible (not union, I never advocated for an union), was the mere greed and political incapacity of the vast majority of the noble classes because of what you said. But when you look at England, they were far more united, far more organised and far more cleansed from petty emotions than we were. Take care.

[@Omerath9]

Yes, "Hispanian", the Latin designation for the Iberian peninsula, not "Spanish" - the Castillian designation for the land they attempted to conquer.

[@Omerath9]

To conclude the original topic, Hispania = The latin word for a Roman Province. Espana = The Castillian word for their newly formed kingdom, adapted from the latin word "Hispania". Yes, Castillian derives from Latin, but so does Portuguese (and even more so), Italian, French and Romanian. The Spanish language (in reality it does not exist, Castillian does), adapted a latin word. Both concepts cannot be confused.

[@tizona101]

ye you keep saying as a nation, but the start of Spain is older than that and to the rest of the world that land was referred as Spain, and thats why they call it the reconquest of Spain cos the land was already ours, and to me the Visigoth people are the real start of Spain, when was the name of Portugal firs used?

[@Harmaol88]

hehehe, you sank him ^^

[@Omerath9]

Yes it is incorrect, because Spain is the English translation of Espana (the Castillian adaptation of the latin word Hispania, with the intent of naming the 15th century nation), the nation. Besides, Hispania is merely the latin name for the region, nothing else. Most people use Iberia to describe the region since it was the first word to describe the region previous to latin. And because of that, it´s very stupid to say that Spain (the English translation of Espana) began before the 15th

[@Omerath9]

The Spanish empire was more powerful than the Portuguese at its peak, an undeniable fact because it was military more sophisticated, but the Portuguese empire was the wealthiest in Europe until the mid 16th century. For instance, Philip was only able to finance the Spanish Armada with the wealth he found in the Portuguese Royal Coffers. It was a shame that Portugal and Spain were enemies back then, if they were allies they could have faced the rise of the British and Dutch Empire better.

[@Omerath9]

I´m not saying that the Portuguese Empire was stronger than the Spanish, it wasn´t, we had too few armies to conquer, but it was wealthier because we kept our Empire well established in important trading posts all over the world. That´s why we were extremely rich. At its peak, only the British surpassed the Portuguese Empire in terms of wealth, because they also established powerful trading posts all over the world. I suggest ppl to study history be4 insulting others.

[@Lysandros]

Indeed, Spain as a nation-state sprang up in the 15th century. The peninsula's isolation from the rest of the continent through the Pyrenees, the Reconquista, and the American colonies helped shape t he new nation. Spain, the Spanish people as a collective identity did not exist before, as they did not in the other western European countries--this would come later. But each nation also incorporated its own past to create a national history.

[@katalambda]

I'm spanish but i do reconize it,Of Course it was essential, cause indeed it opened the Age of Explorations, both empires were great, the Portuguese exploring and stablishing trade ports, and the spanish creating an empire and discovering new lands, of course not to mention i totally desagree the treaty the spanish gave to the indians in that territories but that's another thing, Spain was the first proto-state in Europe since Rome fell, the culture, traditions,etc

[@Dumpstermuffin1]

Spain and Portugal global empires to some extent but unable to maintain their empire because their was no production of capital which Adam Smith noted about in Wealth of Nations. Therefore they were paper tigers and the truly first global empire was Britain.

[@Omerath9]

Absolute rubbish. Portugal and Spain, at one point, conquered a large portion of the world. They even divided, practically, an entire continent amongst themselves (America), not to mention that Portugal was the first nation to establish trade routes all over the world. This great feat, by itself, to many historians, is enough to consider Portugal as the first truly global empire. Many biased historians can conjure up different arguments to suit their own interests, but the fact is that the nation to build the first global empire was Portugal. Wow, I seem to comeback to this video, after so long.... as I have mentioned, Portugal was the longest living modern European Empire, and it was the first true global empire in history. Whether you like it or not, most modern historians concur with this fact, so quoting Adam Smith's theory will not do you much good in the face of the overwhelming majority. Portugal commanded the largest navy in the world at one point, and Spain the most powerful European land army. "Paper tigers" hardly seems a realistic statement for the power that the Iberian Peninsula once held. But what to expect from a man who was a product of British imperialism? Portugal was not only the first nation to establish colonies in all of the four major continents, it was also the first to establish trade with every important trading sector of the world, from Asia to Europe and from America to Africa. In the mid 16th century, Portugal controlled most of the known world's oceans, all the way from Japan to Portugal. Lisbon, for instance, became the first world trade centre, where for the first time in human history, you could simultaneously buy goods from Europe, Africa, America and Asia. Britain eventually surpassed Portugal and Spain, true, but without the knowledge that the British gained from the Portuguese and Spanish, it would have been difficult for the British to ever establish a global seaborne empire. Many ancient sources here in Portugal refer to that, for instance, how the British word "stop", came from the Portuguese word "estopagem", an old method to prevent water from entering the lower decks of galleons and caravels. Nevertheless, I respect and admire the feats of the British, and how much they contributed to the world today. The British Empire surpassed any modern European empire, a fact I cannot dispute, but to say they were the first global empire is absolutely ludicrous.

[@Wadiyatalkinabeet_]

Adam Smith is right but that doesn’t mean Spain and Portugal weren’t Global Empires when they literally had colonies spanning the entire Globe. This just seems like a Protestant Brit’s attempt at downplaying the Roman Catholic Empire’s of the Spanish and Portuguese. Just in case you forgot, England, Wales and Scotland were once Catholic lands. I say this as someone who’s British/Irish by blood but Roman Catholic by religion. If that’s not your motive, than nationalism? Idk, but it’s a weak argument considering they had literal colonies in the America’s, Asia, Africa and even Europe at one point (Spain and Portugal Iberian Union + Hapsburgs Lands which is just modern day Germany to a larger extent, Southern Italy and Spanish Netherlands) The Capitalists in the UK and American States were inspired by the global trade established by Spain and Portugal. They just learned from their mistakes.

[@Omerath9]

You seem to be diverging from the original topic a bit, which was to clarify the differences between "Hispania" and "Espana", two very different terms which are popularly misunderstood, and which you seem to persistently fail to understand. About the Visigoths, you seem to forget that it was them who pushed the Romans out of the Iberian Peninsula in the first place. Yes, they adopted elements of their culture afterwards, but never to a great extent. That is why Europe entered the dark ages.

[@Omerath9]

since they would be naming their newly formed kingdom after their enemies, but the reference to Hispania was revived fundamentally as a religious purpose. It was this desire to Christianize the peninsula that ultimately influenced the Castillians to use a Castillian word for "Hispania". The people in Hispania were not Romans, for the most part they were civilized Celt-Iberians, but later, the Goths, who controlled the kingdoms, converted to Christianity, and it was this that "civilized" them.

[@Omerath9]

You also make a mistake here. It wasn't the Romans who gave the Spanish the name of their country, the Castillians did. Yes, the Romans did influence the language and culture of both Spain, and also Portugal, just like the Visigoths, the Greeks and the Moors, but take in mind that it was Castille, a kingdom spurned by the Visigoths, who decided to name their newly formed country in the 15th Century after the old Roman province.

[@balthasarEF]

By land mass you mean.

[@tizona101]

I regard the Basque country as Spanish too is that also wrong? look Hispania was not just a name, like terra australis( Greek) cos it was occupied by Roman's that left a culture there, language and employed the Visigoths to take over ,you are right though Portugal didn't come from Spain but Spain did come from Hispania and the kingdoms

[@moscovo967]

Negative. Portugal and Spain are all part of the so called roman Hispania (what is now called as Iberian peninsula). Lusitania was just an area of the acient Hispania (It's an area that include some parts of the actual Portugal and Spain).

[@alsatian73]

but you must admit, the timing of the Portuguese rise to power was essential to its discoveries and success for Portugal and Europe as a whole...

[@Omerath9]

What happened was that in the late 15th Century the Castillians decided to call their newly formed nation "Espana", an adaptation of the ancient Roman province "Hispania". That's it. Get your facts right. They could have, for instance, decided to call their newly formed nation "Iberia", the Greek designation of the peninsula, or "Al-Andalus", the Arab term for the peninsula, but they chose to adapt the Roman term instead.

[@Omerath9]

It should be pretty obvious that everything you have mentioned obviously happened due to the fact that both Portugal and Spain were rival nations at the time, so they shouldn't be used as examples to counter what I said. And the reason to why I think it was a shame that Portugal and Spain weren't able to see past their greed and become allies (not unite), was due to the fact that they were at one point the two major forces in Europe,

[@moscovo967]

You cannot compare the size of an empire in absolut terms. Spain allways had more population then Portugal. At an aproximate rate of 4 spanish for each portuguese. What you should compare is that Spain had an empire twice as big as portuguese but with 4 times more population then Portugal. What is remarkable with the small nation of Portugal, was the great size of influence around the world with such limited resources.

[@Omerath9]

I never said Portugal wasn't part of Hispania, don't put words in my mouth. I have already explained the difference between both terms, if you refuse to accept my explanation, you are refusing to accept current historical facts. Hispania and Espana are two completely different things. Hispania was a Roman province, just like endless others, and Espana is merely an Iberian nation, just like Portugal. In fact, Portugal is 300 years older than Espana.

[@Omerath9]

Second of all, saying that Portugal was an independent Spanish kingdom is a ludicrous thing to say, considering the fact that Portugal´s creation was prior to Spain´s. Thirdly, saying that Portugal´s history and culture is "Spanish", considering the many cultural differences between the two nations, so much to the point that there was actually a cultural etiquette relating to being Portuguese alot earlier than Spain´s is another fallacy.

[@Omerath9]

No, not Spain, "Hispania"; the name the Romans gave to the region of the Iberian Peninsula. It was the name of a REGION, not the name of a NATION. When the moors invaded the Iberian Peninsula, they re-named it; "Al-Andalus". It was merely the name given to the land by the conquerors. FACT (any history book will tell you): The creation of the Spanish nation came about in the 15th century. Before that, the region (which was to become Spain) was divided into many kingdoms

[@luizmagalhaes1962]

Portugal underrated nation, as always . Sad, but true. Colombus study of Marine Expansion started on Lisboa, so, we the portugueses had a definitive role on the discovery of America. Period.

[@katalambda]

but even with all that, you people have to reconize Spanish Empire was larger than Portuguese one, and of course, the most profitable empire ever, with all that gold in our hands, were so fucki*g rich that we had a galloping inflation in the end, because of the gold we brought, lol

[@Omerath9]

katalambda That depends on which period you are talking about. In the early 16th century Portugal became the wealthiest kingdom in Europe due to the spice trade from India, but 100 years later it was Spain, and then England. And in relation to size, the Spanish Empire had a larger territorial Empire than Portugal, but not a maritime one

[@henrymilne2620]

Omerath9 Are you not forgotten the slave trade they were doing

[@Omerath9]

One thing is the history leading up to the nation. Of course Spain didn´t pop up from nothing, it came from the alliance of Castille and Aragon, and each of those kingdoms has its own history going past the moorish ocupation, the visigothic, the roman and the ancient Iberian tribes. Just like Portugal and any other nation doesn´t just "pop up" from nothing. But it´s still incorrect to account for the people and the land previous to the creation of Spain as Spanish because of what I explained

[@Omerath9]

"when the moors came the Visigoth people infiltrated into Spain's north making them the first Spanish people with a lost nation" - Yes, a lost Visigothic nation in HISPANIA, which results in the history LEADING UP TO THE CREATION OF SPAIN THE NATION. Carry on hopelessly clinging to your ignorance, but the fact remains that the Spanish nation was only created in the 15th Century. Before that, Spain was a collection of kingdoms, hence it did not exist as nation yet, unlike Portugal.

[@sonsolescruchaga8553]

Before the invasion of the Moors, Spain was a Visigothic kingdom. Have you read "Laus Hispanie" by San Isidoro de Seville? ( V century )

[@Omerath9]

Yes, but Hispania and "Espana" were two completely different things. Some arrogant Spanish like to falsely claim that "Espana" refers to the whole of the Iberian Peninsula, when it really refers to the nation resulting from the alliance between the kingdoms of Castille and Aragon in the late 15th Century. Hispania, on the other hand, refers to the latin designation of the peninsula, just like "Iberia" refers to the Greek designation of the peninsula. These are facts, not opinions.

[@Omerath9]

thus it would've been wiser for both Portugal and Spain to consolidate their power and wealth through a co-ordinated alliance. Of course the alliance we had with England brought us benefits, but those benefits were of a cirscumstancial nature since we were enemies with Spain, and England saw the opportunity of weakening Spain through us.

[@moscovo967]

But the truth is that we are talking about humans (And belive it or not, I do know how the human being thinks. hehe). So there are interests, hates, greeds, money involved (to many factors to present here) that do not make that union possible to be made. So since we are individuals with free will (including the king) i do not disaprove their past decisions and i do understand the impossibility of a working alliance (at that time). Wich I do not regret obviously ;). Best regards Omerath.

[@tizona101]

Portugal existed prior to Spain? And you tel me that im making shit up? Portugal came from the kingdom of Galicia, just cos the kingdoms weren't joint u say that Spain didn't exist? who's the fool?

[@Omerath9]

I'm sorry, but that's not entirely accurate. After the decline of the Roman Empire, Iberia was ravaged by numerous Gothic tribes. The kingdoms that fought off the Moors from Iberia were originally created by these Gothic tribes, whose ancestors fought against the Romans. Hispania was the Roman designation of the peninsula, just like Iberia and "Al-Andalus" were their Greek and Arab counterparts, respectively. Of course it wouldn't make sense to adapt the Arab designation to name a country, but

[@tizona101]

ok maybe not a nation back then but still Spain, and Portugal was a kindom of Spain until it separated from Galicia

[@tizona101]

and became independent as others joint forces

[@Omerath9]

"Espana is a direct translation of hispania from latin to castilian which happened to be the whole area including the Portugal land" - yes, well done, because the Romans decided to name the region hispania, now tell me fool, wf does that have to do with Spain the nation? "when the whole place was governed by a king in 567AD it makes it a kingdom" - yes, well done, but that wasn´t Spain, that was a Visigothic kingdom that was based in HISPANIA - the region. duh!!

[@tizona101]

im sure that if you were Spanish you wouldn't have a problem with that, iv seen plenty of documentaries that refer to the beginning's or History of Spain as Basque Greek or Roman Goth im sorry but Spain didn't just pop out of nothing in the 15th century, its incorrect to say that the history or beginning of Spain started in the 15th C, and to compare the Iberian peninsula with a continent c on, even the flag and the people still use the names of the kingdoms today is that incorrect?

[@tizona101]

yes modern" Spain" MODERN you didn't have a modern Portugal cos there was no old Portugal

[@tizona101]

Portugal was more like an independent Spanish kingdom their history blood and culture is Spanish and one cant deny that, with all their trade connections they went bankrupt

[@Omerath9]

Portugal became an independent nation before Spain did, and controlled the oceans from north Atlantic to Japan for almost 100 years, making it the richest nation in Europe, before Spain became powerful. Read some history.

[@alsatian73]

but more succesful with explorations and discoveries...

[@tizona101]

oh man, portugal was born from spain , Spain had america parts of italy germany Fillipins etc and were going to conquer England really portugal only had trade thats all

[@dreedee]

@77Fortran Seriously you think the last 400years of western dominion dwarf the achievements of previous cultures? ok.. I got a one word reply to that: "Pyramids".

[@laylafarda9163]

I need the lyrics of this song but couldnt find till today 😂

[@tizona101]

yes it was a Goth kingdom that ruled Spain and was the fist king of Spain, i don't care about your kiddie history book history's more complicated than that

[@tizona101]

u said it ur self kingdoms that belong to a REGION CALLED SPAIN even if not united they were part of Spain I guess your not European your Portuguese

[@balthasarEF]

Yeah, until the Siege of Vienna.

[@77Fortran]

@dreedee You think something like the LHC isn't incredibly more advanced than some big pyramids? Laughable!

[@katalambda]

Not as large as Spain was

[@Omerath9]

You are basically proving my point. The Visigoths allied with the Western Roman Empire to fight the Vandals and Huns, because they were a threat to both of them, the Visigoths never got along with the Romans, and they contributed substantially to their demise in the West, having sacked Rome itself numerous times. They only adopted elements of Roman culture after having weakened them for centuries, because it was in their interest to adopt traits from a more advanced civilization.

[@Omerath9]

century, and it´s equally stupid to use the word Spain or Espana to refer to the entire Iberian peninsula. It´s not very difficult to understand.

[@Omerath9]

The fact the Portugal controlled the trade routes from Europe to Africa through the Atlantic, and then through the African - Indian and Asian trade routes, taking the monopoly from the Arabs, made Portugal the wealthiest nation in Europe, which as a consequence bankrupted Venice, and never had a city displayed so much wealth since Ancient Rome. There are many sources I can suggest you read, but I'll consider you read Martin Page´s, "First Global Village" for instance. Read history you tool.

[@77Fortran]

@dreedee hehe are you on drugs? If you don't really understand how important it is to understand fundamental physics then that's a real shame! You would have no computers, internet, GPS, etc.etc. if it weren't for the findings of 'merely experimental' machines.

[@balthasarEF]

Not True

[@tizona101]

yes independent and insignificant, Portugal was never bigger or wealthier than Spain, and it was always controlled by Spain the center of the world for 600 years and the first to circumnavigate the world

[@tizona101]

Visigoth people that worked with the romans and occupied a land that had the name of Hispania a name that remains today it has everything to do with the nation cos we would be Arabs if not for them the seeds they laid are the start of the nation the reconquest of Spain

[@davidkruspe]

los españoles fueron los primeros en ponerle en la madre a mexico.

[@Omerath9]

That´s almost as stupid as saying that all american nations come from the USA, because one nation decided to call itself after the continent.

[@Omerath9]

Jesus, you really have trouble understanding a simple fact. PORTUGAL WAS BORN IN 1143, SPAIN WAS BORN IN THE 15TH CENTURY, ALL HISTORY BOOKS TELL YOU THIS. Portugal was not a kingdom of Spain, Spain did not exist in 1143.

[@igap6304]

Caribbean lore be like

[@alsatian73]

Portugal- the first Global empire

[@balthasarEF]

The British Empire eclypsed the Portugese Empire 10 times over.

[@Omerath9]

You are talking defamatory bullcrap. I´d like to see some historical sources where claims such as "Portuguese people were Spanish people everything about their culture was Spanish", and "Portugal was never bigger or wealthier than Spain", when it´s well known that Portugal existed prior to Spain, and Portugal was the wealthiest nation in Europe in the 15th century. You are making shit up, in a defamatory manner, and you know it.

[@moscovo967]

"It was a shame"??? Explain me why was that a shame. Portugal and England have one of the most ancient alliance. That friendship was able to sustain portuguese independence and helped the british to rise. So, has a portuguese I don't see the shame in there. From Spain never came good things to Portugal. We lost too many in the 60 years we had of union with Spain. So please. Can you be more specific in how it was a shame that Portugal never made an alliance with Spain.

[@Omerath9]

Check any history book, ask any historian read anything about Spain´s birth as a nation and you will see it was formed in the 15th century. Anything before that were mere kingdoms. And the Romans didn´t name Spain the nation, they named the region of the Iberian Peninsula, "Hispania", just like the moors named their Iberian lands, "al-andalus", it has nothing to do with Spain as a nation, you fool.