14F Punishers Ranked WORST to BEST | Data Comparison | TEKKEN 8

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In this series, we're answering the unanswered question of who has the best punishment in TEKKEN 8. This is the third instalment, where we'll be collecting and comparing to find who has the best 14 frame punishers. Hope you enjoy!
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:26 - Rankings
03:57 - Top 10
06:03 - Top 3 Damage (No launchers)
06:24 - Top 5 Range
06:59 - Various Tier Lists
07:37 - Final Tier List & Outro
Music:
YellowMotion - TEKKEN 7 | JUNGLE OUTPOST | Extended Mix

[@SkarjOS]

As someone who's also extremely self-conscious about their voice, just know this commentary is way better than the old TTS bs. Feels way more genuine

[@gtrgrgth]

I like both

[@MemoriesLP]

I am not gonna lie. The AI was so aggressive and out of place, that I liked it. Its like some a bit angry/hyped non sense dude was always talking in an over exaggerated way lol I thought that the aggressive nature of it did fit with the entire Mishima trope from Tekken, even though it was a bit weird.

[@FGirao]

I was fine with the AI voice, it didnt bother me at all

[@oZiiix]

I don't think he's self conscious. He streams on twitch in his regular voice. He even said he often hears that his regular voice is AI. I liked the AI voice for fighting game content. It was different.

[@stylahdox9276]

what do you sound like ???? gingerbread man ???

[@raskkii]

For Nina I would like to mention her b+3+4,1+2 - it has much better range than the mentioned 3,4 while also doing 34 damage. In heat, it does 54 damage and wallsplats from really far away.

[@equilities8143]

7:22 isnt Lee's 44:4 an 11f heat engager?

[@Kookos21]

Lee doesn't even really have a 12f punish. It's all 10f and 11f

[@mdbr2]

Yep, it is. Not sure why it became i12 in that tier list though.

[@SyckestBlah]

7:32 Yoshimitsu has an i14 heat launcher, that you just covered in the video.

[@lambpuppyoww3239]

Thank you. Amazing work as always. I didn't expect you on OCE server and noticed that we fought a few times in ranked (I'm losing 1-4 vs you) after watching your tourney vid :) Keep up the great work!

[@niwona_]

Appreciate all the work you put in!

[@RowdyR3DD]

Love this bro!!

[@UltimateBallaPOM]

Reina's ff2 is 13f off of Hit or Block stun. Thr first forward can be buffered and the attack button must be pressed at least 1f after the second forward. There's a neutral in-between so that's 15f in neutral and 13f in stun.

[@gtxblade7552]

Nice work

[@imacrazyguylol]

You left out another followup for alisa’s f3,2; you can do f3(DBT),2,1 for better damage without heat. Otherwise, great video as usual, can’t wait to see more of this content.

[@trashgamerxd7612]

yea cause this video is about alisa combo's ????????

[@imacrazyguylol]

@@trashgamerxd7612 it’s clearly not? I said it gives better damage, which means it could affect her placement.

[@aauukk1]

Amazing vedio. And there again, king at the bottom of another tierlist.

[@winstonchurchill8400]

What other tier lists does he do remotely poor in?

[@PaperTigerLive]

You make quality videos.

[@Pervy]

You do the work we need.

[@jorgerojasmundotropicaltra64]

Very good job My friend i'm actualy playing with Feng Wei but You have very usefulls tools that i allways check, by the way do You have any web or place for the reach of the moves of any characters?? In tk8

[@Nerevaar]

7:24 leroys chain punches are a heat engager no?

[@Dr.Happy11]

Great stuff MC. You da Master of Content. I'd argue on the first two spots, since for me Lars is the clear top1, but I get that it's hard to quantify launchers. Both Bryan and Lars have insane combos, and both punishers have solid range, but blueballs being a Mid, it will always hit in every situation. And that plays a kinda significant role in launch-punishing specific characters options, especially YOLO ones, like Bear's everything, Jim's samsara , Eddy's b3 etc.

[@sebbbi2]

Alisa’s f4,2 optimal followup is f3 DBT 2,1. That puts her couple of places up in the list. You only want to do DES f2 string in heat for full combo.

[@Mo-pk4db]

Victor also has d/b 1, 1. Both it and f 4, 2 can go +5 into Perfumer and Iai respectively.

[@itzbart1854]

Are you gonna do ws punishers next after this ends?

[@systemkillerinner3]

Reina ff2 is 13f in perfect execution. Good video

[@goiflin5056]

Interesting decision putting a 28 damage non-wallsplatting punisher a whole tier above laws 40 damage wallsplat punisher but fair enough. Punishes are rather contextual a lot of the time, in terms of what will be better or worse.

[@shnbeyza]

Lee also has a 11 frame heat engager with 4,4,4 (justframe)

[@HamzaNaeem-r9j]

Nina has a 14f punish that is really good that wasn’t mentioned, b3+4, 1+2

[@w_smith_1990]

A guide on 14 frame punisher thanks ❤

[@EndreHagerup]

What makes law's 14f punisher so bad? I figured it'd be much further up the list

[@davistiadi]

Yeah, I think his should be further high up. Good range, deadly near wall, only lacking oki. Alternatively, he could go b4,3 with better wall travel and frame advantage, but for some reason he didn't list it in.

[@MrYourDry]

Leaving a comment for your analytics

[@rasaa7227]

For Nina her 3,4 is never used as her i14 punisher. What Nina players use is f3 for 30 dmg into fully charged ff1+2. If they stay on the ground that's additional 25 dmg and if they stand and block that's 9 chip damage and +8 on block. Or they use b3+4,1+2 for 34 dmg outside of heat and 54 dmg in heat and wallsplats from across the stage. For i15 frames she should be top tier as her b1+4 has great range and in open space she nets 95 dmg without rage, heat, walls or any stage gimmick: b1+4, uf4, qcf1, iws1x3, df3,2~db2, db3+4 t! db2, qcf4,3,1+2 = 95 dmg.

[@Merumya]

Alisa can follow up her f3, 2 with b1+2 if im not mistaken for 50 instead of 47. Game shows it as combo dmg to me. Not sure if there is a wakeup optoon that beats it though

[@vereornox7810]

Are we not counting nss flash as the fastest launcher?

[@MadaraUchiha-ty4rh]

For Victor isnt the u1+2 followup better?

[@novanation5870]

7:22 wym Lee 12f he has just frame 4,4,4 which is a heat engager. It's i11 and a natural combo from first hit.

[@valonzeneli4614]

If we include wall combo potential, i reckon Lee's just frame 14f punish would rank a lot higher, no?

[@ukaszpazera5951]

With Heat Zafina can get dash df1,2,1 for 58 damage which is quite good.

[@earlsocksiii5174]

going to the tried and true "scratchy, peaking audio" that all youtubers have when they start out. it's genuinely so much better to listen to, I used to hate any of your videos using that AI-speech stuff since it felt so stilted and wrong. this is a good direction, I'll be glad to watch your videos when they have such heart.

[@eltigremuyloco]

I'm curious why you ranked Reina over Kazuya on the EWGF punish. Is it bc of the potential damage they get on the combo? I can't speak for Reina but Kazuya (assuming the execution is there) can get a max of 82 damage afaik from a 14f EWGF punish. That is ofcourse the damage not counting resources like Walls, Stages, Rage or Heat. The combo is EWGF EWGF cd1+2 (12)43 b221+2.

[@squiddyseut6103]

I assumed it was because she had multiple options, considering i13-14 ewgfs are too hard to consistently do

[@Dr.Happy11]

Reina's non-electric options are just better, so I guess that's a fair placement. If, for example, Kumer goes for b1 HBS cancel on meaty timing (for instance, on okizeme situations, where it becomes -14), neither Reina nor Kaz can launch it. Kazuyer can get something like db1,2, or df4,4, etc. but his only proper i14 option would be b2,4. In the same situation, Reina can do much better, as shown in the vid.

[@baconbitz7804]

Im pretty sure the combo where she does a bunch of perfect electrics does higher damage

[@eltigremuyloco]

Doing pewgf vs regular ewgfs do the same damage in combos unless it is off of something like counterhit df2 or whatever into pewgf which is unrelated to this vid. Pewgf just means 13f electric.​@@baconbitz7804

[@TheicMoggy]

I feel like you keep forgetting Nina. Her 14f punisher is b+3+4, 1+2

[@baconbitz7804]

She has like 5 lol

[@TheicMoggy]

@@baconbitz7804 df33, b+3+4 1+2, f+3, 3 4, df+3 2. Anything else?

[@baconbitz7804]

@@TheicMoggy those are all the ones I can think of

[@g-radiation7154]

What about Yoshi b2,2? I think this is a heat launcher

[@mihu.96]

0:42 is Law's combo a natural? I swear I think I floated him out of it with a jab, might be wrong though.

[@DeathsIntent96]

It's a natural combo. You can only interrupt it if you block the first two hits (which also means you can option select your punish rather than guessing if they're gonna finish the string).

[@rigjayce5686]

Leo has an i11 while standing heat engager in ws4 1+2

[@Leroyteam]

6:44 dvj b2,4 startup 15frame because it has multiple active frames

[@farhadnouroozi3378]

Leroy has i14 heat engager you putted in the list but at the ens of video you didnt wtf? And can you tell me how bears i14 ass is bettet than laws 3+4 4 ? Even in range tierlist laws 3+4 has more range than jins f1+2 Lees 444 is i11 too Everything is wrong in this video

[@queencard97]

xiaoyu has the easiest input for an i14 launcher like what do you mean i only need to press 3, there's not even a directional input too, insane that its also long freaking range 2.69 insane.

[@Regulus-uu7pb]

Yeah but low damage

[@souhiyori8640]

To combo off of it, she also does a move that doesn't deal damage, and sometimes it's not consistent to launch with it

[@queencard97]

​@Regulus-uu7pb nope, it does decent amount of damage, around 60+ and thats without walls or heat

[@queencard97]

​@@souhiyori8640its consistent imo, only not to big bodies like jack and bears, but the rest of roster its consistent, u maybe doin something wrong like timing or input delays on ur end

[@thomasschmidt1452]

60+ damage is inconsistent and only on male. Basic staple is 54, but you can't drop it ​@queencard97

[@Benjamin-uw5xj]

I like how in almost every one of these King is lower on the tier list. Yet the scrubs still cru

[@UmoralCaratol]

Bro using electrics as 14f punish. Gigachad

[@ngpon]

what does the "i" of "i14f" stand for?

[@ialexmani]

Instant

[@i-xw4qs]

Lee's best 14f punisher is acid rain + blazing kick except near walls

[@odkgame693]

You can't punish a lot of moves with acid rain. King fcdf2 for example.

[@i-xw4qs]

true

[@imjay2118]

theoretically devil jin and jin have i13 launchers no? like perfect EWHF and perfect EWGF are 13 frames

[@odkgame693]

7:30 yoshi can launch -14 in heqt with b22

[@odkgame693]

7:26 lee's 44:4 is i11

[@TheAngryPugYT]

Amazing guide! One thing I noticed that it would be so much better if you also add every characters 14f move(if it exists). That would be more educational in my opinion. Anyways, amazing guide as always! 😊

[@MultiSmokinTrees]

Lee is actually at 11! For heat engager with his 4,4,4justframe

[@sykkamorre4779]

Azucena has a 13f launcher in heat with lib12f

[@ZhiyuanLu-y9p]

Nina's b3+4 1+2 is a better i14 punish. Especially in heat.

[@AfroKing.]

Lilis fastest heat engager is 8 frames

[@ejrodriguez5719]

You might want to consider making a tier list of characters' tier list on all of your recorded tier list on this cannel

[@RVRFLH]

Lee's heat engager is 11 not 12

[@shibuyajin_music]

KAH!

[@GoodnightWonderland]

Imo Lars>Bryan because his hits mid while JU is a high other than that I agree with everything

[@tek87]

Call me crazy but I thought Kings heat smash was 10 frames.

[@user-kh8bh2ep5k]

Lee b112 is not the worst, bc of high damage and wallsplat, Asuka's uf2 neither bc of high damage floor break and good oki (and not forget that best Punisher for Lee for damage is acid kick)

[@ejrodriguez5719]

anti-Alisa guide 🥺

[@bigmax5780]

Lili only has f1+2 but 1+2 is guaranteed after that

[@AfroKing.]

No. That’s only on counter hit

[@FGirao]

yoshi can launch at i14 with heat

[@Infantrey]

I like this one better than the AI voice

[@regmatshiya1437]

I’m wondering what you’re thought process was with Bryan fb2 being better than Lars fb21 ? Iirc fb21 has better range and as a mid won’t whiff if the -14 move recovers crouching Bryan’s is safer on block but that’s it really

[@GoldFinch]

Damage

[@regmatshiya1437]

@@GoldFinch Fair Idk how much Bryan gets of jet upper I know I can easily get 80 from Lars off fb2,1 without walls and it has better range but if Bryan can get above 80+ without walls then I guess that’s valid Also I know Bryan’s snake eyes wall combo is insane so he definitely gets more with walls

[@GoldFinch]

@@regmatshiya1437 It's around 100 dmg with heat and without walls. It's hard to execute tho and you consume heat

[@tatatanae4532]

glad to hear your voice, only thing i didnt like about your vids was the ai voice lol

[@user-cn3jk4gk6p]

you didnt do lars....

[@caffeholictj1708]

Lars is in there. 2nd place.

[@Whatman77_]

Law went from the best to the worst 14f punish

[@johnysimps1191]

Law ez win Edit: is Law's 3+4,4 not i14?. That shit is natural no?

[@GuillotineCrow]

Odd list. Ling's standing 3 worse than Jin? And a lot of the follow ups are not optimal.

[@MrNotorious94]

Hwoarang is always at the bottom of the tier list. 😂

[@guyoncouch8796]

The worst part about Law's going from a launcher to a supposed +OB high damage (just duck it) one is that they still haven't fixed the issue that at far range you can hit the first kick of the 3+4 and the rest of the attack will not combo properly, especially since he doesn't even have a 14f HE like okay yes 10f CH exists but every option besides the 18f -9ob move is CH only.

[@HoDoBoDo]

Not surprised Lars is number 2. He's the only character with a mid i14 launcher. The only caveat is that it's super launch punishable. The only other character who did have an i14 mid launcher before T8 was Kuni with her DP in T7, and before that it was Jinpachi in Tag 2 with his df2. Edit: Jinpachi df2 was a high. My bad, and Law's 3+4,4 was also a mid i14 launcher, but that had a duckable high attached to it, so there was a counter.

[@smoothiewrld999]

I'd say that Lars 14 frame is usually better than Bryans due to previously existing moves that were -14 where they recover in crouch (Eddy b33). But im not sure that those situations still exists

[@SlashingVine]

Pachi df2 was a high

[@Logomancy]

For T7 Law's 3+4, 4 launched as well, but it consumed screw. The others -- Bryan's Jet Upper, Paul's B3, Ling's standing 3, Alisa's F3, 2 as well as theoretical punishers like electrics were all highs, sure ... although, 2D nonsense is its own category.

[@HoDoBoDo]

@@SlashingVine Damn, I remembered wrong.

[@HoDoBoDo]

@@Logomancy Akuma's b1 was i14 special cancellable high iirc. Yet that was a whole other thing.

[@dronnovik95]

Please, leave this live commentary. AI Text to Speach is so damn anxiety enducing with its pronounsing issues and similarities of voices between channels

[@ilight8]

Nina's 3,4 is absolutely garbage, something you should never even attempt to use.

[@oZiiix]

Mamie at least give us AI voice for data videos. 😢 It was unique for fighting game content. Nothing wrong with your voice but it kind of felt like your signature.

[@user-ry5oh3qt2u]

Ewgf and jet upper are not counting, because even promplayers camt input them in 3 frames P.S. jet upper possibly can, but extremely hard and rare

[@DeathsIntent96]

You're right about EWGF, but Jet Upper can be buffered (since it isn't tied to a special movement) so there's no real execution requirement.

[@EraseTime]

I prefer A.I voice. This voice is boring (i know it's the real one) but still prefer A.I

[@midori5573]

Bryan's is better than lars's? are you smoking something? ,lars always had the best 14f punish since t6

[@regmatshiya1437]

I think his logic is that if you fuck up jet upper it’s safer than if you fuck up fb21 on Lars That being said fb21 has way more range it hits from 2.5-2.6 depending on the opponent So imo Lars should be no1