15 Ways FFXIV is BETTER Than World of Warcraft

[@bhardasullivan720]

“A multi billion dollar company, that is perfectly capable of hiring people to do QA.” SHOTS FIRED 🤣👍🏼

[@Zalibidas]

I usually listen to these in the background of other games or something but when I heard that, I actually paused for a moment and just said "Right?!" and went back to it lol.

[@LuxVertas]

That and Square is both Dev and Publisher and isn't Greedy like Activision that will steal food from a Homeless person's mouth given the chance!

[@adamrogers6340]

I feel like the company Morheim (sp?) has moved to is going to feel more like old bliz. google Dreamhaven. also XIV is my favorite of all time. the true end game is glam and its amazing.

[@tekamer6566]

They do have QA tho

[@e4gail]

Been in the QA profession for 20 years. So true. Companies hate paying for QA though.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

To add something else about your character, the other characters CARE about your character. They worry about you, they struggle when you are forced to go into dangerous situations even though you're the only one who can, they are relieved, excited, and seem happy to see you. You aren't just 'a hero', you're their friend or THEIR hero. It really makes a big difference when you matter to the story and to the characters.

[@PerfectAgent]

The fact that Lord Gegeruju consistently calls you Titanslayer (or something like that) and this rich Lala recognizes who you are and that you absolutely destroy things made an impression on me. I like that the world respects that I'm out there doing big stuff.

[@Chey60]

I do know in wow they call you commander and ask for your help to handle things as well

[@Uldihaa]

@@PerfectAgent Gegeruju damn near worships the ground you walk on and considers the WoL to be one of his most important acquaintances. Hell, the guy performed dogeza(!) when he finds out that the VIP he was hosting a huge party for was the same humble adventurer who was sent hither and yon gathering the central ingredients for said feast; and he never forgives himself for that gaff, either.

[@Drakhesh]

And importantly, it also works the other way around. They care about WoL and WoL cares about them. When... you-know-who dies, it left a permanent scar on who Warrior is as a person, enough that other characters notice it. They are not 'toons'. They are full fledged characters.

[@Uldihaa]

@@Drakhesh That death affects the WoL so much that it plays a prominent role in the Dark Knight 60-70 quest line. That death _haunts_ the WoL, as do the deaths of all those they befriend. Hell, the character development shown in all the class/job quests is amazing.

[@Devilcantcry012]

WoW bad guys:"Oh no i touch the evil stone of eveliness im evil now" FF14 "bad" guys: "The rains have ceased, and we have been graced with another beautiful day. But you are not here to see it"

[@ngtyr]

Why would you do that... 🥺

[@muramasa1984]

omg.. the feels...

[@Jean-dd9yy]

My god why u had to remind me that scene makes me scream in PAIN while in wow "Nzoth explodes" lmao

[@JudgeAnnibal]

For those we have lost. For those we can yet save.

[@smellmyclock]

And then we have zenos, cringe bad guy

[@thedarkfox9851]

Coming from WoW into FF14 is like getting out of an abusive relationship.

[@M4XIUM]

Same dude, after 12/13 years I’m retiring. so many factors explaining why you would leave and the worse thing is it’s just not getting better so time to hang up the Red and Blue flags and try out FFXIV

[@donstewartmac]

o/

[@WillowTitov]

@Bucky ehhhh, 11 just isn't as in depth imo

[@DnVFMVs]

Weak

[@waffleserzeant3327]

I came from BDO to FF14. It's like living in Somalia to living in Denmark

[@cowinjapanese6896]

Wiping the party: FFXIV: "Dw, we just made a mistake. Let's figure out how to do better." WoW: "F*ck u u useless tank" *get kicked from the instance*

[@izzokhan6390]

Seriously the perfect explanation of the overall mentality of each games player base.

[@duskborn_]

That's Blizzard's community for you. If you ever play Starcraft 2 don't even think about reading general chat (or do and laugh your ass off)

[@mikoto7693]

Seriously? In my recent Titan battle as a whm I fell off the platform leading to a wipe. I apologised, was promptly forgiven and the second time we smashed it.

[@zazadatdude]

I love FFXIV’s bigoted stereotypes of WoW players. I have been playing both games since launch and both games have their good and bad communities. Personally, I rather have people complaining about bad tanking than just talking shit about how much they sucked at WoW.

[@ESPirits87]

Lol this happened to me just now, a Rogue in party forgot to cloak party to run past 4 mobs after i asked if the rogue could cloak (he may not know), well he didn't and after the pull i got a kick request for the Rogue but i denied it and it didn't pass luckily.

[@coffeebundeluxe163]

"the dev's probably play themselves"

[@cocobunitacobuni8738]

:O

[@GOffensive]

All I remember is seeing Yoshi P only having like 3k Gil. xD

[@sakuyaizayoi1945]

@@GOffensive Glamour Are expensive xD

[@vayalond7203]

@@GOffensive At least he don't play in godmode, he play with the same account as a regular player and have a true idea of what the game truly is (WoW devs play (when they play) on GM account with all the privilège GM have or a boosted account optimized and base their idea of the game with that)

[@WillowTitov]

Not only that, his main is a Lalafell. Just one more reason why Lalafells are the best. 💜

[@BattlerUshiromiya9999]

Another thing to add about the Dev Approach to FFXIV In Stormblood they saw how we really liked jumping on a bunch of random objects like mountain goats in Kugane just to try to reach the highest point. They saw a huge number of players jumping up Kugane Tower and encouraging others to get to the top, something they thought a lot of people wouldn’t do or take time out of their day to try to accomplish. And from that small thing they saw, they gave us a bunch of jump puzzles in the game from the seasonal event of the moonfire faire to implementing them into the gold saucer.

[@kakarotandbrolly]

Kugane Tower is my DPS queue pass-time

[@Hedge_Knight_Gaming]

For all of it's flaws, and they definitely exist, housing actually exists in FFXIV.

[@maryempire1104]

@Ricardo Santos SWTOR doesn't have a proper housing the only housing in swtor is futuristic. I've played swtor for 4 years and now I'm a FFXIV Home designer. About the voice acting quests in swtor is great but I should let you know that FFXIV is very huge MMO RPG game that has different awesome stuff like the Weather changes, Night/Day Cycle and the time, and flying and exploring underwater with different great mounts so the voice acting is not needed only in main mission quests.

[@FuryousD]

@Ricardo Santos oh god yes, having every quest voiced is a godsend in SWTOR

[@FuryousD]

@@maryempire1104 doesn't matter what ff14 does better not having fully voiced main scenario quests hold it back from being the best it could be not having fully Voiced msq's is one of the worst parts of the game

[@maryempire1104]

@@FuryousD you are kidding right ? XD FF XIV Have 20 mill players and its the best mmo rpg of all times

[@FuryousD]

@@maryempire1104 no im not kidding, and i know it is, just not having it be fully voiced brings it down a peg in my eyes since come on it's 2020 why are we still doing this only some quests are voiced thing, why have voice acting at all if u are not going to commit to voicing the whole main story, it's one of the worst things about ff14, that being said i still love the game and consider it the best it just could be much better with fully voice acted story quests

[@jcirelli3311]

"All jobs on 1 character" THIS, finally the true way to have a proper MAIN. No gathering alts or profession alts or the "lemme swap to my ____ to help fill in, (can I get a summon)". Haven't tried FF14 yet (still downloading) but this was definitely a selling point

[@ccarr1025]

How’d it turn out for you?

[@Arkainum]

@@ccarr1025 He can't talk yet, he probably just managed to get through MSQ for ARR. XD

[@KoNekoNoUta]

@@Arkainum I felt you, ARR is so long when I played it at launched.

[@Fox_Olive]

@@KoNekoNoUta currently working through it. I really want the regalia mount and this seasons pvp outfit, but at the same time, there's just so much to do

[@vikkran401]

A negative from that would be that you can't customize your jobs at all in FFXIV. No talents, no gear set bonus that affect spells, Nothing. While it's great that you can play every job on one character since let's face it, alts are annoying but with everything being so homogenized there is nothing that separates me as a reaper from this other reaper. Gear is exactly the same and the game isn't partically gear base so that loses my motivation to do end game. The only way you can really distungish yourself from others would be cosmetic stuff like glamours and mounts but why would I play a subbed base multiplayer game if I was only into that. Might have played the Sims instead if I were into that kinda a thing.

[@ThrottleFox]

"All jobs on 1 character" Well, that's enough to sell me on at least trying out FFXIV

[@jimmysmith2882]

It's great in concept, until you find out how boring and monotonous the grind is to level classes.

[@jacobbrackett3568]

All classes on one character and all jobs on one character take away the MMO aspect. No need to associate with other players for things to craft

[@AbdallahTeach]

Jacob Brackett ????????

[@jacobbrackett3568]

@@AbdallahTeach what is not to understand about that? The game isn't doing a good job MMO wise by making your character have every profession. Retarded concept actually

[@Devire666]

For someone like me, who likes to create tons of new characters, that sounds like a horrible feature. Not to mention that kinda detracts from the whole "roleplaying" part of MMORPG.

[@toreba]

Whenever Yoshi-P holds and talks into the microphone, he looks like he's ready to start dropping bars and rapping lol.

[@VendettaSoundtracks]

Yoshi-P drops bars harder than he dropped Dalamud

[@Boyzby]

I actually started tearing up when that footage was playing, thinking about how I saw it for the first time in the NoClip documentary.

[@GreyKlouds]

Have you heard YoshiP rap? It's pretty adorably awful 😂

[@Poison-Lilithium]

Nah with the way he looks, more he's about to rock out and tell people to start a damn good moshpit.

[@RudolvonStroheim]

He has rapped .. Haha.

[@TheKarishi]

1 + 12 (and 6 to a lesser degree) also have this incredible synergy: I can imagine WoW fans who haven't tried XIV snapping back with, "Who cares about your character's EYE color? When are you even gonna see it? How important are the folds on your outfit, really?" BRUH. Let me tell you a thing. You are IN THE CUTSCENES. Your lovingly crafted character design is in, roughly, ALL the cutscenes. Your sweet or silly or badass outfit is providing context to what kind of person you are as You Perform The Narrative. You are gonna see a LOT of this character, up close and personal. Not just in a 3/4 overhead view from 30' away.

[@petrus9067]

Loved seeing my character during heavensward with a very nice and cohesive outfit but random bunny ears from the gold saucer

[@kuronaialtani]

>Elidibus: come, Warrior of Darkness! Let us finish this! >me, in a swimsuit with a glowing moogle axe: Bring it on!

[@screwed8182]

@@petrus9067 Loved seeing my character in a touching moment in full plate armor, completely hiding any emotions that they might be showing. Are they crying buckets? Are they laughing their shit out? Are they just absolutely confused because i skipped a cutscene before this? Who knows? Steel plate shows no emotions

[@sylas3265]

My dark knight viera in Halones Mail during the drk quest helping Myste and chatting with fray again. I looked magnificent but also the EMOTION on display is wonderful

[@TheMeGuy1]

Yeah true that, I remember in WoW, I used to wear cool helmets and stuff that covered the face, and now I'm like "Well if I wear something like that I can't see my character's face and expression in cutscenes!" so now I just wear hats.

[@IvyTinwe]

Final Fantasy feels like a full story arc where everything was planned and carefully set in motion, while WoW after WotLK felt like "Oh that sounds fun, let's do that and worry about Lore later!"

[@SMNtheNight]

Blizzard doesn't really care about story that much because the players also don't seem to care much anymore. Some of them come to try FFXIV and skip the story immediately partly because they are like "it's probably shit anyway, not that I care, just let me do stuff." WoW sets the bar looooow in that regard. I played that shit for a decade and it had its high points, but they were low in comparison to FFXIV and it never improved. The only characters I remember from that game are the Hearthstone class leaders and some legendaries because I watch Brian Kibler lmao.

[@hatewheel]

@ If you actually read Ivy's comment, they aren't saying the writing is good, they're saying it doesn't feel like diarrhea shat out in a fury of taco bell expedience.

[@omegaxtrigun]

@@SMNtheNight The thing is, the players don't care about the story BECAUSE Blizz doesn't make it worth caring about. Not the other way around. People say they don't care about the story in games like this, when in reality a lot of those players probably would care IF the story was good. They just haven't experienced something like that yet so they don't know if they'd like it or not. A lot of peoples' only experiences with mmos is WoW so they think having mediocre story is par for the course.

[@yraco1232]

Yeah one of the big problems with WoW's story is that each expansion ends up being its own self-contained story. There's might be a bit to lead into the next but really it's a story all of its own. FFXIV, as a contrast, seems to be doing arcs so we're dealing with ascians, Zodiark and the Garleans now then maybe another arc after that. On the whole it means the entire story feels much more connected to itself and like it has much more effort put into it, while WoW might have a great story in one expansion but then the next is bad and completely unrelated.

[@Snowmanse]

I remember that there are almost no Draenei in Wrath of the Lich King, because a Scourge blood elf disguised himself as a human mayor and told them they weren't needed. That is terrible writing for multiple different reasons.

[@thecodenamenoob4042]

Learning WoW: "im new sorry if I mess up in this dungeon" Response: "if you're new why tf are you in a dungeon you just gonna mess everything up and make it take forever" Learning FFXIV: "im new so im sorry if I mess up in this dungeon" Response: "no problem try your best if you have any questions feel free to ask!" Thats one of the 10 billion reason I love FFXIV and enjoy it tons and tons more than WoW

[@DnVFMVs]

Strange I had the opposite conversation in both game. U sure u wasnt on drugs

[@hydo589]

@@DnVFMVs No that’s a rare experience. The WoW community is a disease on the planet lol, OPs comment is the most common scenario

[@mikoto7693]

I can confirm FF14's community is usually kind. I accidentally fell off the platform during the Titan fight. Being the whm the party wiped as a result. I apologised but they were cool, explained where I went wrong, forgave me and we tried again. Second time around we absolutely smashed Titan and nobody was in any real danger of dying as I kept on top of the healing.

[@M3lly22]

@@mikoto7693 I kinda wiped 3 times by dying as a healer in a duty finder and the tank actually apologised instead of blaming me. Im pretty sure its my fault as i failed certain mechanics so its was rather surprising

[@xXChibiTaokakaXx]

I just started playing a few weeks ago, so far the players on Ffxiv have actually been very friendly. Waiting until I was out of cutscene to start the fight because I was the only sprout in the dungeon >>>>>>

[@goldfire123456]

Me: i have been playing wow since burning crusade, im ready for anything and nothing could make me cry Momodi: (your name) well, aint that a charmin´name. just rolls off the tounge, it does Me: its the most beautiful thing somebody ever tell me in a videogame.

[@bhardasullivan720]

Momodi is Best Mom.

[@ObscuredByTime]

Unless your name is Harry Balls.

[@Dracounguis]

It is funny how companies treat access to an open beta like they're doing YOU a favor. When in reality you're helping them fix the game while you pay THEM! 🤷‍♂️

[@palladiamorsdeus]

And Blizzard has a penchant for ignoring valuable feedback and even bug reports. Even BEFORE the massive decline, we'd report bugs in alphas and betas that'd go live and stay there, sometimes for months. In the case of the hunter's dead zone bug, for years.

[@apex403]

End of legion, defeat the titan Sargeras , one of the most powerful beings in existance Beginning of next expansion, Nathanos - some bitch boy to Sylvanas - has the balls to say to me as he gives me a quest "Let me get a look at you... pathetic" .... Literally all achievements and accomplishments are ignored in WoW. Your characters feats are that of literal godhood , and people are still asking you to kill some boars and ravens in the next expansion.

[@fatcatsnuggleparty4272]

In WoW, you, the player character. Does not exist. The Champion of Azeroth killed N'zoth, not you. It wasn't Nihilum who defeated Illidan, it was The Alliance. It wasn't SK Gaming who world firsted KJ in SWP, nor was it the FACTION MADE FOR THE RAID. ..It was purely the alliance's work.

[@Jamesgates355]

this hits the nail on the head so damn hard, with every expansion on FF it feels like your character is gaining more and more renown, the enemies you face become stronger and the situations become more complex, WoW really fucked up with their pacing of baddies to face, going from killing literal gods of death to knocking out some paralyzed god out of his wheelchair (or something, N'zoth was eh) and it has this weird whiplash of overpowered gods to brittle random people who are equally randomly introduce who for some reason can defeat you easily and you have to go through a whole expansion to defeat them

[@itstime5138]

@@Jamesgates355 "killing literal gods of death" "paralyzed god" "random people that defeat you easily" You obviously haven't played BfA and now i can't be sure if what you're saying about FFXIV is true. :^)

[@Jamesgates355]

It's time i did play BFA, its the readon i quit WoW and moved to FF, ps Lady Ashvane somehow defeats us and we spend a good chunk of the war campaign trying to kill her

[@Jamesgates355]

It's time BFA was hands down the WORST expansion of WoW, it had no idea what it wanted to be and could have easily been two seperate expansions but became one shitty attempt to reignite horde v alliance where alliance wins, then they team up yet again to kill the horde warchief

[@Rei-Rei]

Hildibrand really sums up everything you need to know about FFXIV. A silly sidequest that was so popular that they ran with it and made it an eagerly anticipated element of each expansion.

[@dracotheshadowphoenix]

sadly he didn't reach the first xD maybe we was warped to the moon xD i would hate not seeing him again xD

[@Arkainum]

@@dracotheshadowphoenix From what I understand, he's slated to return in the next xpac.

[@princessjello]

@@Arkainum I'm praying for more Hildy

[@Ratpaa]

Me: *Wow refugee* Ppl: Every job is viable in endgame content Me: But that's impossible

[@zazadatdude]

Ngl, I like Shadowlands. The story is actually good for once. Blizzard is still crap, but the game itself is really great. I play both for different reasons.

[@Minus0101]

Took me a while to get over this too. I sometimes suffer from a paralysis of analysis right, so many choices and I am always afraid I am making the wrong choice. In Warcraft I definitely made suboptimal choices before, like my night elf priest that was wrong because dwarves got fear ward back in the day, etc. After my initial anxiety and research I finally decided to hop in and just go...yeah amazing to think that there really isn't a wrong choice race / job wise and I am able to swap to my hearts content and still be successful

[@dvdzvc]

@@zazadatdude trust me i was like u but after awhile shadowlands got boring asf. u hit endgame and theres a thick wall u cant go thorugh without spending hrs all day tryna get into groups for mythic plus but cant get into a fkn group cuz u need 1000io score and 210 ilvl for a +7 lmao...

[@zazadatdude]

@@dvdzvc Already past 220 after a week. I don’t get why you can’t. But I understand, the game is not for everyone. FFXIV is a casual game. It’s slow paced and accepts mediocrity as a reward. Maybe that is a better fit for you. Not trying to offend anyone, but the game is made to be enjoyed, not competed. WoW is for competitors who are striving to become the best they can be.

[@thevito1091]

@@dvdzvc EXACTLY THIS! trying to join a mythic plus needing 3000k io 220+ ilvl. The annoying thing when trying to join ppl seek highest ilvl instead of inviting someone who could do the mechanics... im downloading ff14 rn and will try the trial. I hope I enjoy the game

[@lilmagez]

Comes back to WoW after years. Plays Ice Mage in low level dungeons cause I thought Ice was cool back in the day. Immediately gets threatened to be kicked if I don't spec Arcane.

[@kudy6423]

Asmongold: So anyway, I started reacting.

[@kolz4ever1980]

LOL that literally made me laugh out loud. I was thinking about his rage reaction happening when I heard her opening.

[@jmbwithcats]

Asmongold is VERY narrow minded when it comes to FF, but honestly, he barely plays WOW, I think FF would be way too hard for him.

[@Stayler17]

He didnt react to this video

[@luckystarlight]

Because the game he plays is too boring to paly, gotta get views somehow.

[@jellydamgood]

@@Stayler17 yet

[@KamiraXIV]

One thing that I really love (that isn't already mentioned in the video) is the cinematic over-the-top boss fight intermissions and events. Susano with the sword chop, Sephirot falling off the edge and coming back and tearing apart the world, Alexanders countdown... All of them just give me a cheesy grin because they're so epic!

[@ecMonify]

my jaw dropped the first time i fought titan and the entire screen exploded into light :P. i didn't think effects could look so good in an mmo--and honestly, FFXIV has some of the best battle-effects out of any game

[@invaderzam]

Doma Castle is still one of my favorite dungeons. Armies clashing in the ground and in the sky. Explosions happening everywhere. Then your team walks through the front door LIKE A BOSS. And the ninjas opening a path for you with explosions? Epic.

[@SethalaTheGamer]

I've always loved the screen shatter effect in Thordan. Perfect way to end the Knights of the Round sequence.

[@Trainerlynx]

The story of ff14 is so good in most parts that I've legitimately cried several times playing through quests

[@NecroAsphyxia]

Haurchfaunts death....

[@naif9464]

E.Y. Covian I’m pretty sad that you had to spoil that

[@AshysWolfie19]

Spoilers!!! Thancred's almost death had me in tears!! Like y'all can't take Daddy Thancred from me like this!

[@DnVFMVs]

What scene you cry on?

[@mikoto7693]

Wait Haruchefant dies? I just got through interacting with him in Coerthas whilst looking for that damndable airship.

[@jamesgaston2745]

WoW devs don't so much talk to the community, they talk at the community

[@bhardasullivan720]

They talk _past_ it....to the investors. All vidja companies are businesses...but some are more about business & finance, than producing a high quality, enjoyable vidja.

[@pokermitten9795]

I bought an activision stock so I am now interested and invested in milking nerds from WoW. That's kinda what happened to Blizzard when they sold.

[@Esifex]

That’s been a long running complaint amongst my friends group; Blizzard has this attitude of ‘you THINK you want to play this way, but you’re wrong, you will actually want it this way’ and then is wrong repeatedly

[@wanderingpaladin4927]

The Shadowbringers story probably touched me more than any game I have played. The perception of light and darkness really made me look at that trope very differently. I don’t think I’ve ever been so attached to people who aren’t real, either. Those pixels feel like my family.

[@plumtucker9514]

I got the same vibe from Soul Calibur 5, it's a great feeling when you really get to explore a trope with a twist.

[@Uldihaa]

I got so attached to the First that doing my Source-based lvl 80 Job quests actually felt odd. Then as I went and did them, I noticed a pattern: every single one mentions deeds you've done and involved people you've met. That's when I realized why they existed: to start re-grounding the player back in the Source. The writers _knew_ players would get attached to the First and so they created these quests to help re-orient the player to the Source.

[@IIxCOCOxII]

ShB MSQ is one of the best story i've ever seen in videogames

[@Mistyfgdf]

Iv only ever had the feeling reading a Manga called "Kingdom" Im currently in ARR hopefully maybe a year down the line ill witness this greatness as people call "ShadowBringers"

[@awesst7247]

Remember it’s just a game...

[@LordCruven]

WoW: How can we reinvent the game every expansion? FFXIV: How can we keep the game feeling the same while adding ontop of it?

[@aarondelacruz4208]

Nothing wrong with either direction tbh

[@jonathanborba9280]

@@aarondelacruz4208 Except when your fanbase really likes something you did and it could easily be reused again, and then it gets thrown away.

[@aarondelacruz4208]

​@@jonathanborba9280 i assume you're saying that because of WoW. IMO, reinventing each expansion gives you the chance to keep the game fresh... but on an MMO, taking away features that made players stay in the first place is not ideal to keep that user base. I agree with you.

[@Seylem]

Was about to comment, no borrowed power in ffxiv

[@jonathanborba9280]

@@aarondelacruz4208 I'm definitely not saying that one is the always correct answer, but reinventing every time is just rolling the dice. You don't know if your new content or game play loop is going to land with your base. FF14 has tried a few things. Some have stuck, other failed and they removed them, but they kept what worked as a base and that's the important part. FF14 could do with more hail Mary attempts at new content like WoW does, just make sure to keep what aspects you know your base enjoys.

[@Senyoun]

"except Zenos" hey, every good game needs a insane boi who only kills for joy :V

[@Tamipriest]

Zenos is our Yandere BF ^^

[@desflat]

Especially a Final Fantasy, lol. "What is your motivation?" "An expiriment from the empire made me go mad" (now which antagonist or villain am I talking about even?)

[@Tamipriest]

@@desflat i would say Kefka

[@huntermccaskill3938]

@@desflat That's a good point... Most obvious is Kefka, but there's also Seph and Hojo, and...um... Arguably Kuja from 9... there might be others

[@smellmyclock]

Zenos belongs in the wow universe then lol

[@scorcher64]

I like the fact you can play FF14 without having to rely on third-party sites and sims to tell you how to gear and DPS.

[@KD-ho5ze]

I think they even discourage it. DPS meters, while helpful in monitoring, is only making the group more toxic in the longrun

[@bhardasullivan720]

@@KD-ho5ze You get caught metering, you get permabanned

[@KD-ho5ze]

@@bhardasullivan720 Deym. In WoW you don't get banned, but you probably won't login for a while after hearing trash from your teammates for getting a few points lower of dps.

[@pezdispencer113]

@@bhardasullivan720 they allow it to happen, but it's more that you can't talk about it in game because they don't want hostility to erupt from it. DPS metres do serve a point as there's no other metric for a dps player to use to figure out if they are doing something wrong that they need to improve on.

[@tbone8358]

You don’t need any of that in WoW. WoW has ilvl so it’s pretty simple to know what items are better lol? Unless you actually care about like 10-15dps differences ilvl is good

[@thath4tguy]

Never forget that FFXIV first had to fail utterly and almost killed the company behind it before it became the gem it is now. Also it's SE's second MMORPG. One thing I would also add to the list is cross platform play. It's so well implemented that hardly anyone cares if someone is playing on PC or PS4. You won't even notice it most of the time if you play with someone on a different platform.

[@gibby3767]

Yea lmao, im new and i asked in the chat if everyone else was on ps4, and nobody else was😭💀 i was wondering how everybody could type so fast

[@kelving420]

I had *no idea* this game was this great! I'm a few weeks into free trial and the more I look at FF14 content the more hyped up I get to keep going, and the more I realize I won't stop playing it anytime soon!!

[@john_7000]

That me exactly, I started playing it back in 2017 with the starter edition in pc which only include ARR, I was so addicted I finished ARR but couldn't afford to get the rest of the expansion because in 2017 i was in high school so I can't buy stuff for myself, then years later I forgot about it and then in 2020 a square announced the free trail been extended to level 60 with heavensward, I was like oh it that game that I was addicted to it back then, I said let me first play the free trial and level up in my own time without time restrictions, I played the free trial and I played the moment where I didn't see which it heavensward I loved heavensward it becomes my favorite story in gaming after I finished I went and I bought the complete edition and now I finished stormblood and just entered shadowbringers I am still at the beginning of shadowbringers but omg I am already engaged into the story I already love it more then stormblood but it getting close to heavensward not there yet but I am pretty sure it will reach there if I continue

[@d3v13nt2]

I started ff14RR at launch and I'm still playing. I hope you enjoy it. What server are you on?

[@Road_to_Dawn]

I hope you’re still enjoying it!

[@TuntunGamer]

Are you still playing it dude? I started the demo yesterday. I must admit I'm enjoying it. But the starting quests are a bit tedious.

[@d3v13nt2]

@@TuntunGamer the AAR quests before heavensward are hard to get through, but if you can make it out to heavensward, it becomes so so much better

[@rd-um4sp]

since you started with story, here's a quote that I read today: "FFXIV is part of the Final Fantasy series, so playing through the story is a must." N.Y. and that is why we have such a great story.

[@EppeMSK]

Every time I recommend FF14 I say "come for the story stay for the MMO"

[@TheAgedOldTruth]

I like the quote, "14 is a Final Fantasy game first, MMO second."

[@Siaman668]

Yeah about to say. 14 was designed to be a single player experience with some multiplayer features. While wow is mainly a multiplayer games with some single player aspects.

[@Verd254]

Even Zenos is more interesting than the majority of what I've seen and played of WoW. He can be a bit "lul crazy", but he has that musashi-esque quality of finding himself in battle and I kinda dig the whole WoL obsession angle. Better than a macguffin making him do a bad thing at least.

[@JackgarPrime]

I'm unironically excited to see how our for-realsies final showdown with him is going to go. And to find out what's the deal with his eyes.

[@paralolagram]

His rivalry with the WoL is honestly super fun.

[@wlr3791]

Even Zenos has backstory and depth behind his "lul crazy" attitude on life and his obsession with the WoL which helps characterize and justify most of his actions. Even in the most recent twist, it isn't like he is being corrupted/manipulated, those choices are entirely his own.

[@Arlacent]

@@JackgarPrime what do you mean when you ask, what's up with his eyes? Do you mean when the resonant triggers and they have red circle symbols over them? That's just his manufacturered echo.

[@katniss5052]

Don't forget that he looks pretty.

[@Krojack76]

Keep in mind that in FF14 beast tribe rep is 100% optional. In WoW they lock items behind rep grinds that you HAVE To do.

[@NorainuVR]

I love that every class, including DoH/L, gets their own story line. The weekly turn-ins for crafters, like Zhloe and M'naago, have some of the most hit you in the feels stories in any game

[@Rando0268]

Zepla coming out guns blazing releasing this right before shadowlands

[@Jeros82]

You mean the one that got delayed cause they're still not done with it? ;)

[@BIGDUEL]

@@Jeros82 that they'll never be done with until 2 months before the next expansion after it? Just like BFA? :D

[@torashiki5646]

Zepla and her video shamed Blizz into dealying SL!

[@Zach-si1gf]

honestly when that story broke that employees are severely underpaid, the terrible writing makes complete sense. No good writers would stay, and if you're underpaid+overworked you cannot get better

[@zorkanH8]

@@Jeros82 Didn't you guys have to remake your entire game cause it was so bad? They probably didn't want to make the same mistake as square did lol

[@jaredlanglinais613]

I cannot tell you how much I adore the fact that FFXIV has no PTR/Alpha/Beta. Releases are an actual experience.

[@Shiirow]

funny how they have no ptr/alpha/beta yet somehow release with less bugs than WoW.

[@SetsunaKisetsuki]

@@Shiirow because Square Enix is a proper game company

[@Escorducarla]

They've also made it a lot "easier" on themselves by focusing on the story. Please note that I'm not saying that story is some sort of cop-out. If anything, it's the more complex way to run a game like this. (One of my long-standing complaints about WoW is that most of the story happens in a novel somewhere; it legit angers me that I have to pay for a side novel if I want to fully understand the story in that game. There are random side characters/relationships/rivalries that just spring into being in game, and then when I go looking for their history, oh, I had to read X novel. It is cheap and gross. Anyway!) My point is that focusing on the story means that they aren't reinventing the wheel with some ridiculous borrowed power scenario every expansion, that breaks the game and makes everything buggy, so that the devs need to devote inordinate amounts of time to making the new systems play nice with what's already there. Focusing on story is more complex in terms of designing the gameplay experience, but is much easier from a code standpoint. You introduce a good villain with agency and dimensions, and you DON'T have to worry about how WHM is going to play all of a sudden. It's just a smarter way to run a railroad.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

@@Escorducarla Reinventing the wheel in general is what turned me off to WoW. While Cataclysm was the main culprit for that, I'd pop back in every time they gave me an expansion for free to test the waters only to usually find that they'd completely redone something that I had enjoyed or flat out loved in the last expansion. Its like they can't help themselves, they HAVE to screw with stuff.

[@Siaman668]

You do realize why they have those builds right?

[@bophadesknutz7798]

"Crafting is not just pressing 1 button" *Laughs in Macros*

[@Tharoffnik.]

hey, sometimes you need 2 macros ;)

[@Tsugandate]

It's still quite involved in comparison, I mean, sure you can craft most stuff with 1 or 2 buttons, but that's at lvl cap, with all skills unlocked and very good gear, most likely BiS if you're trying to consistently craft high quality precrafts for recent gear and whatnot. Not to mention having to adjust your macros if your stats are too high or too low for specific popular rotations that ppl share on Reddit or other sites, which implies knowing what your crafter skills do, at the very least

[@eruhachi]

*cries in expert recipes*

[@Tsugandate]

@@eruhachi don't remind me. I don't even care if they give different rewards next time the ranking comes back, I'm never doing expert recipes again, period.

[@yagikataiser434]

@@Tsugandate To each his own; I adore expert recipes because they mitigate the "lol after you get good gear [which doesn't even take very long] you don't ever have to use your brain again" issue. Really I'm just a grumpy old man that misses HW-era crafting

[@DarthCinnabon]

"we can all enjoy the story on the day it launches, together" *laughs in Raubahn EX*

[@luxiuscaligore]

Oh god REX. 🤣🤣🤣

[@littleabigail4328]

I beat Raubahn EX in about an hour so I got to go through all the SB areas with only 10 other people in them. Shit was surreal.

[@jtjc7705]

"The one armed man and his midget son who stopped thousands." History became legend. Legend became myth.

[@katwolfe597]

🤣🤣 It was so painful. I'm so glad SE learned from that terrible experience.

[@thesparrow1116]

Don't let Asmongold see this video, hes gonna holler and scream over the 2B butt section of the video

[@hospitalhat]

As someone who plays and loves both of these games for a lot of different reasons, this was a bitter pill to swallow, but she's right in almost all these examples. It breaks my heart to see Blizzard in the sorry shape it's in these days, but I'm fully aware that this is a problem they've made for themselves internally. They have the tools and the knowledge to turn their development and public image around, just not the interest, and I doubt they'll ever find it. Having played Warcraft since 2005, there's always going to be a special place in my heart for it. I still play to this day, in fact, and I doubt any other game, even something like FF14, will have quite the profound impact on me that WoW did. With that being said, Shadowbringers is the best -current- MMO experience I can say I've had in a while, and really set the bar insofar as structure and presentation. It's a difficult feeling to express, I know; saying "nothing will be the same as X" and then admitting "this new thing just blew me out of the water". I guess I just want to not be so binary in the things that I enjoy these days. Thank you for making this video, even if it did remind me of some of the stains on my favorite hobby. We can only get better if we know where we're weakest, after all.

[@madlinkers8595]

Ff14 is far from perfect to everything is related to,farming tomestone and doing fates since 2.0 its stale boring content ,theres also that stupid 2 sec,delay on animations that never got fixed and the atrocious microtransactions that got,way worst then any other game,Wow does some thing better to

[@kibummmm]

Wow essentially has a sentimental value to you. This may be because you have great memories of making friends and playing the game together. It may be the first MMO that enthralled you. I don't know you, but something along those lines is my guess. And there's nothing wrong with that. I have games that I've kept going back to even if they're currently not what they used to be or are going in not the best direction. I go back to them because there's still something fun about them for me... but I'd be lying if I didn't admit that something like FFXIV does a lot of stuff better.

[@jonathanmarcelo835]

@@madlinkers8595 Dunno what delay you are talking about, there is almost none. Maybe you are playing on a server way too far from your home? Fates are like a very sideish activity, there's so much more than just that. I can agree with the tome stone farm if you are a casual but tbh that system works fine, maybe your objectives and way of seeing the game are what's making you not enjoy it, or at least that's how I see it because iv been there.

[@Siaman668]

@@kibummmm that’s goes either way. Wow pve and pvp content blows 14 out of the water easily. But 14 has way better story content than wow. Both do great things

[@arctorusmedia]

WoW devs let certain class abilities stay overpowered despite glaring examples where nerfs are needed. When Ghostcrawler was at Blizzard, frost mage stayed overpowered. now, for some reason or other, the covenant ability balance druids get (convocation?) that one shots people in pvp (some times two shots) has been broken since Shadowlands launched and there's no sign it'll get nerfed. It actually got a buff recently. This is one example of how tonedeaf and arrogant the WoW devs/management are. They don't give a shit about the playerbase, they do what they want and you can either like it or hope there's a big enough outcry that it affects their income enough to convince them to care. I started playing WoW in vanilla and I've always felt like Blizzard thought the players were scum, like they thought of us as peons. Not once did I get that vibe from FF14. I feel more at ease enjoying the game and I can tell the areas where the devs showed love to the players.

[@ZeplaHQ]

This is a followup to my video "10 Things FFXIV Could Take From WoW" : kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXjEpn6MpdZgj7M A quick note on my last point regarding QA: I have no doubt the Blizzard devs are busting their asses on QA for WoW. But in the wake of massive layoffs and wage protests, it’s clear that Activision isn’t giving them the compensation or time they need to do their jobs. PTRs and Betas can be useful tools for developers to test their game broadly, but even with all that additional QA help from players (who, I might add, take their voluntary testing work VERY seriously), WoW is far from balanced, and major bugs and lag continue to be an issue. FFXIV does not have that extra help from players on a PTR or Beta, but it runs much more smoothly overall. I worked QA for EA on games like The Sims 3 and Kingdoms of Amalur, so I have nothing but sympathy for the people at Blizz doing QA, especially in crunch time. Just wanted to clarify that my salt is towards Activision and not the people on the ground floor.

[@myjunghoseok6652]

i love the ffxiv community. i was having a pretty shit day so o went around idyllshire hugging ppl and those who were active hugged back! they even bowed or waved after i left for my next target. it really made my day :((

[@ChainedFei]

*hugs*

[@jellysharkbat]

*hug*

[@TigerBrows]

Something that doesn't get enough appreciation is the sound design of FFXIV. Every class has a unique sound profile that further enhances their feel - and it takes some serious SFX chops for every single ability in the game to sound different enough that I can tell what abilities are being used during a hectic fight, from the "DRRR-BOOM" of a machinist's Drill, the repeated "Fwaaah" of the black mage casting Fire4s, the high pitched "SCREE" of a dragoon using Stardiver, or the metallic ringing of a samurai readying Midare Setsugekka- or even the "Shing" of a Superbolide going right off after the soft "bwoom" of a Benediction. Meanwhile, in WoW, you have a single casting sound for nature magic, a single casting sound for fire magic, a single casting sound for dark magic, a single casting sound for light magic... It's underappreciated how much these unique sound profiles contribute to helping each class feel different. If everything was the same but all the melee dps made the same sound when they hit something, I don't think they'd feel very different at all, despite the obviously unique playstyle of each.

[@Sone1one]

Timestamps 0:30 1.Story 3:06 2. Dev Approach 5:55 3. Game Balance 7:44 4. Music 8:05 5. Job Complexity 9:14 6. Look of Gear 10:13 7. Community 10:57 8. Transportation 11:31 9. Reputation Grinds 12:20 10. All jobs in one character 12:59 11. Buuny Girls 13:08 12. Character Customization 13:48 13. Animations & Effects 14:31 14. Crafting & Gathering 15:11 15. (Relatively) Bug free 15:56 Conclusion

[@fern1009]

I remember when I first started doing FFXIV how the side quests surprised me with their depth. It really felt like the quest npc were speaking directly to me about things that made sense in the context of their world. WoW side quests by comparison, despite perceivable effort, never really conjured such emotions in me. And the main quest just pulled me in and set the tone early on.

[@KattReen]

I know some of the WoW quests atleast gave me a chuckle, obviously less of a priority for Blizzard though. Honestly, I don't think an immersive story like 14 has is something that a good MMORPG necessarily needs to have, but it really works for 14 and is a big part of the reason why I love it so much.

[@VagrantButterfly]

ffxiv's community is also much less toxic, in fact i think most toxic ppl i come across in ffxiv are former wow players.

[@momintim]

I’ve been playing FF14 since 2.0 and this isn’t far from the truth with the “refugees” that arrive

[@shitney420]

@@momintim also 2.0 here and I agree

[@ikaemos]

I tried my hand at both games; didn't stick with either, but that's just GW2's gameplay ruining other MMOs for me. Regarding community, however, it's _night and day_ in the starkest manner possible. I can scarcely think of anything but positive things to say about XIV's community; even with the main chunk of multiplayer gameplay being occupied by dungeons and trials, i.e., stuff I'd expect people to get annoyed at others for not knowing mechanics, all I remember is people patiently explaining things to me when they saw the sprout over my head, comforting me when we failed, and urging me to try again. In WoW, one of my first interactions was with a random player in the open world talking dirty to me about what he'd do to my Pandaren's thicc butt.

[@mercurysaturn2784]

True

[@hoangdung7494]

@White-Van Helsing how about a well behave mmo player

[@Havoc10K]

Yeah I can agree with this, I played WoW for so long, ever since Cataclysm it started to disappoint me every moment of login. With 14, I can play however I want and I'm content. I have no bigger problems, and when I need to gather mats for crafting I don't need to compete with others over a node. This is really good, thank you.

[@maximschlee4605]

In current wow you dont really compete over nodes.

[@ZackofSpades]

WoW is for when you want to feel like a recurring side character in a Saturday morning cartoon. FFXIV is for when you want to feel like the protagonist of an anime.

[@Shiirow]

FFXIV Devs : We try to make fun content for everyone. WoW Devs : You think you do, but you dont.

[@Nyaochan]

"you just THINK this is what you want, but you're wrong and we're going to do this* instead." * - The complete opposite of what people actually want.

[@BlameMaxSand]

Funny, Zenos totally made sense to me with his motivations. Like, I beat him and he wants a rematch.........I can relate, what with all the times a boss has wiped us, and we came back and killed em. We are all Zenos, take a deep long look in the mirror :p

[@yagikataiser434]

Yeah, I can understand people thinking that Zenos has overstayed his welcome, but I still think he's a great "foil" of sorts. I mean, he's a guy who collects swords for fun, is incapable of basic empathy, and sits around complaining that there isn't enough fun stuff for him to kill. He's essentially an MMO player. On a pettier note, I missed having him as a major villain because - although Emet and Elid were phenomenally well-written and compelling - I got real tired of hearing "sure, this guy's a genocidal maniac, but he's also attractive and has a sad backstory - WERE WE THE BADDIES ALL ALONG?!?! (honestly genocide is okay if you decide your victims aren't people)"

[@reicalg3]

I 100% thought Zenos was the worst villain in the game. He still might be, but you really changed my opinion of him... fuck. Time to reevaluate how I look at this character.

[@Misanthropolis]

I do not like the fact that they brought him back, but I was willing to let it slide...until they brought back the fucking brat that is Yotsuyu's brother. Sure, he is an Ascian now, but...but that face...that attitude....

[@alandelain5757]

​@@yagikataiser434 ​ sorry but "genocide is okay if you decide your victims aren't people" is way to simple a thought here. compared to normal humans the ascians might aswell be Gods, the very fact Emet-Selch aknowledged their sentience and will to live at all is probably more than a lot of "normal" humans do if it comes to lets say insects or even smaller animals like rodents for example. and yes, if you can will living beings into existence with a thought and are basically immortal a Human might aswell be what a rat is to you, if even that. Besides, genocide generally is done for petty reasons at best, grudges, power, people just not liking your skin color. Emet-Selch literally tried to bring back his dead Race of what might aswell be gods. No, i'm not saying what he did was "okay", but by human standarts what he did even if being really generous with our standing compared to Immortal reality warpers was akin to trying to exterminate monkeys to revive the human race.

[@yagikataiser434]

@@alandelain5757 I see where you're coming from, and I may have oversimplified somewhat. I just get grumpy when people start simping for the villains lmao

[@pandatheend3462]

i'm playing this game since 1 1/2 year and only had 1 bad experience with the community in other MMO's i had so many douchebags in the groups

[@Riftimmortal]

It's all about what the community will or will not allow in terms of behavior - WoW doesn't have more douchebags in it, it's that the community is so used to/tired of them they do not speak out against them.

[@deaconfrost796]

@@Riftimmortal playing years in both mmos wow and ffxiv i would have to say wow definitely has more d bags hands down. its few and far between in ffxiv. although lately ive been seeing more because of the wow refugees and bringing that poison with them because that is what they are used to. im ready for shadowlands to come out so they go away again, but even now its still far less toxic than wow.

[@alexdecoteau7002]

Story good for real. And Y'Shtola. She good too

[@6slade]

my man

[@ivory867]

Yshtola is the best

[@phantochu3456]

BEST MOM

[@oscara8454]

So glad I started in limsa.

[@RanDomiiz3]

Just leveling up in general and syncing to dungeons. The fact that it’s easier to level up doing MSQ. Not all these random small quests that have nothing to do with the story

[@parafoxl7619]

"A smile better suits a hero" Name one Wow moment that carries more feels ;P

[@umbranensei9666]

"I see only darkness before me." - Arthas

[@samwisethebravee540]

I have seen worlds bathed in the Makers' flames, their denizens fading without as much as a whimper. Entire planetary systems born and razed in the time that it takes your mortal hearts to beat once. Yet all throughout, my own heart, devoid of emotion... of empathy. I... have... felt... NOTHING! A million, million lives wasted. Had they all held within them your tenacity? Had they all loved life as you do? Perhaps it is your imperfections... that which grants you free will... that allows you to persevere against all cosmically calculated odds.

[@fundemort]

Thats now why boys play. Most boys play mmorpg to smack other boys ie to dominate in PVP. And FFIV sux in PVP. And 95% players are boys.. so.. thats why.

[@umbranensei9666]

@@fundemort No, no on every account. PvP in every MMO is seen at best as a side-activity people participate in to break away from PvE for a while. The number of people who play MMO's for PvP alone is very, very small. We're talking single digit percentages of the entire player base. A greater number of people couldn't care less about PvP.

[@fundemort]

@@umbranensei9666 That is true in mmorpg is mostly PVE. Sorry I said it wrong. Not mmorpg. I meant in games like mobas, shootings. Those type of players who like to dominate others.

[@neflarionshadowflame2050]

I honestly don't get the hate for Zenos. It's like people take a surface level glance at him and go "Oh, evil crazy guy just being evil and crazy for the sake of being evil and crazy." He's a sociopath who grew up in an environment where the only things that matter are your position and your strength. On top of that he was also part of the royal family, so he likely didn't have any real friends and he is extremely strong. And he considers you to be his only friend. So yeah, there is a lot more depth and complexity to Zenos then just "lawl crazy evil guy".

[@palladiamorsdeus]

Man, that's part of what made his original finale so good, him admitting that he saw you as his only friend before offing himself. Thats why resurrecting him irritated me so much, they gave him such a good sendoff and now we're back to where we were.

[@OM3GA-Z3RO]

Bad guys nowadays need to have a traumatic past or they need to be humanized. People don't appreciate bad guys just for being a bad guy, I also loved Zenos.

[@gateauxq4604]

I e grown to really appreciate a small thing that has made a world of difference to me in terms of making you character stand out a lot more and that’s expressive eyes. Smiling is one thing but when your toon smiles with their eyes its just so heart warming and I feel more connected to both her and the other characters. Also becoming a part of the Scions-you go from Thancred’s little errand person to an important part of their plans to just being a member and THEYRE JUST ALL YOUR FRIENDS. And THEY are all very unique characters themselves. Moenbryda was gone before 2.0 ended but not only does she get brought up frequently by the other Scions but it still sting a little to think about how cool she’d think everything is that youve done since. Y’shtola *could wreck* Sylvanas. On a lazy day she could just tongue lash her down to size. 😂

[@mikoto7693]

I admit I'm working my way through ARR. Operation Archon is the next quest and I don't feel much for the Scions. They feel more like employers paying me to do their work for them rather than friends. I hope that changes in Heavensward.

[@xxJing]

Zenos is the natural progression of someone who has never known weakness or defeat and who was raised without love and compassion. His type of character is one that is difficult to relate to for most people. Essentially the only people who can relate to Zenos are those who know what it means to be really really bored for a really really long time.

[@Arkainum]

I mean, the fact that the MC is his only "friend" because they can match him in might and challenge him is just sad.

[@Zkid531]

You had me at bunny girls. No additional context needed.

[@crossdaisuke]

From what i heard somewhere, all employees of FFXIV has to have their own character and play the game

[@Mateo_Vert]

This also works as 15 reasons to play FF14 in general!! great game and im glad i got invested in it

[@GmaerXQ]

Everything true. FF is so much more accessible, fun, enjoyable, friendly and even cheaper than WoW, in all accounts. Class boosts, Sub price, Store, Race Changes. Left WoW after a “Major” patch brought in 2 islands and 20 minutes of content. Never looked back.

[@maximschlee4605]

So is FF14 free or why is it cheaper?

[@Jamesgates355]

@@maximschlee4605 the sub is the same, but you get more content for your buck, plus they recently have the game free to play up till the end of the first expansion (with some limitations on some functions)

[@maximschlee4605]

@@Jamesgates355 thing is i dont pay real money for wow, since i can buy gametime with ingame gold and how much content you get for the money spend is subjective imo.

[@Jamesgates355]

@@maximschlee4605 aight

[@thunderfireblaze9728]

@@maximschlee4605 hows bfa going for ya with that ingame gold

[@cain412]

Something that people who play FFXIV dont tell you is that you will most likely grow an emotional attachment to your character. Being able to play every single job in the game (combat, gatherer, or crafter) makes needing an alt unnecessary. You will fall in love with your character that you chose to take along for the journey known as FFXIV

[@ChrisAnderson-hg3ny]

100% this. I left the game for a while. Wasn't sure if come back. Decided I would try a new character to get a feel for it again. Found myself missing my main guy...

[@babowasalwayshere]

I really like how well thought out this was. Like you're not straight up bashing WoW, you're providing genuine criticism to bad game mechanics and customer service and providing factual evidence. I can really appreciate how objective of a perspective you've taken in this.

[@OM3GA-Z3RO]

Regarding to WoW Robes, THANK YOU! They are all the same just with different pattern and color after so many years, it's pure laziness.

[@forsetigodofjusticeexcelle7506]

Story and music have always been the shining pillars that make FF games so special. The gameplay has never been anything top of the line, but the narratives have always held up, even FF13 that I disliked the gameplay enough not to play it again, had amazing music and a good storyline as a motivator. FF14 with it's individualised boss battle themes for dozens of different encounters and the story lines (HW and ShB especially) ticks both FF main boxes easily.

[@Riftimmortal]

Well as a current WoW player I can say that gameplay for both may not be top of the line but FFXIV, you look damn good doing it. I played samurai on a friend's account and the swordplay and techniques looked great. Generally WoW has similar animations between attacks like (side to side sweep on 3-4 classes, or over head strike with twohanded weapon on 4-5 classes) etc. Also Limit breaks are super rad.

[@moodudable]

the stories and characters are sooooo good you feel very, very attached to them. like everytime i went to slitherbough i will go and hug ma boi runar or pet my cat boi at the rising stone. i just love these fictional characters so much.

[@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind]

If wow devs say "trust us its gonna be fine" it will NEVER be fine. From the first time they said it "Resilience will fix pvp" to "trust us players won't discriminate you on your low dps covenant"... let to say nobody wanted them to implement raid shadow legends missiob table to the game... if blizz wants do do somethinh right its to reduce influence of finance and listen more to players.. the whole blizzard devs feels like its full of mobile game developers implementinh stupid boring timesinks that just require the press of a button to overmonetize a already monthly paid game...

[@speedstorm4923]

I am sure Ion is a nice person but everytime he talks in the wow panels or interviews is like I am watching a politician talking and Allen seems like that one guy that was chosen to the job that he hates.

[@-Miss-Malice-]

I took up FF14 a few days ago and came from WoW. Some of the first things I noticed were the fact that my class actually feels...finished? I like Paladins, I love tanking, and one of the first things I got was Iron Will which, if you played BC or Wrath, that's Righteous Fury. I immediately loved the fact I had to pay attention to a simple little buff because it made my class better. From there I got a taunt, AoE attacks, lots of damage mitigation, I have so many tank-essential things and so many buttons to press! My Paladin on WoW is just....toss shield to gather, lay consecration on the ground and spam an AoE attack. I don't have much damage mit because I don't really need any, nothing hits that hard. Moreover, CLASS QUESTS! They explain why my job matters, what it's origins are 9at least for pally) and what the motives of my class are. The characters are interesting too, they talk to you more than just "Go get me stuff". I've gotten to NAME my mount--a small touch but makes everything feel more personal, and Minfilia is probably my favorite character and I would RISK MY LIFE to protect her. In WoW...uhh...Liadrin's cool but she's never in the story....

[@_nagazaki__]

I love minfillia too 😳

[@Uldihaa]

FFXIV devs communicate with players about issues and what they're doing to fix them. Server having issues? It's posted on the Lodestone and tweeted out by them as soon as they become aware of the issues. I remember a Command Company Limit Break exploit that went for two months (?) or so, and how the devs fixed the issue and explained (in detail) what went wrong with their response and how they'll fix it going forward. This goes all the way back to Yoshida taking control of 1.X and through the launch of ARR, too. There were major server crowding issues and instanced content problems at launch that required new servers. SE released a statement from a tech that explained what was happening and why it was taking time to fix; it involved ordering the new server blades (if in stock), testing them when they arrive, installing the server-side version of the game, testing said installation, and then integrating the new blades into the system. It made a huge impact on me (obviously).

[@gmorkins6006]

I agree that teleportation is much easier, I feel like having to fly everywhere in wow however makes it feel more like a connected world, which is one issue I have with ffxiv, it doesn't feel as connected as wows world does.

[@frbny88]

I can see both sides! Teleporting is so easy but I was pleasantly surprised while watching this to learn that WoW doesn’t have that option.

[@Odisiaru]

Not a fan of the zones being separated by loading screens in FFXIV. I can see technical reasons why that is but it makes the world feel much more disjointed and closed off. Compared to WoW's much more open world style.

[@786Inferno]

@Justin B yea this is so true. I ended up going on KZbin while waiting to fly to a different location. Completely breaks the immersion for me which is ironic since its there to add to immersion.

[@timothykennedy4631]

I mean you realize you can still fly around ff14 right? Like you're not forced to use the teleportation ?? If you don't feel connected to the world around you with all the hunts, fates, leves, gathering classes, treasure maps. I think its a you issues my guy. I'm not going to shit on wow but its maps are pretty dull not much to get immersed in. Ff14 if you just play story and your teleporting everywhere yea that might get boring so don't rush through everything take your time and enjoy it if you not immersed or feel like your not connecting to certain things its probably cause your just blowing through it and not paying attention which if thats how you choose to play cool but don't complain that you can't connect with it then?

[@KahlevN]

@@timothykennedy4631 It's true though, it's not actually as connected. There are like one or two exits and entrances to every zone. The zones literally aren't connected, they are spread out malms apart with one tiny path connecting them. I understand why they made this design decision in the first place, but I do hope that in their next engine they can actually make it a fully connected world that you can fly all over back and forth between zones to really make it feel more real instead of each zone feeling so seperated from each other.

[@Crymogaea]

One that you could've added was the loot agency/reward system, where unlike WoW you can work directly towards any gearpiece of your choosing with currency(totems, tomestones etc.)

[@SpaceElvisInc]

Too bad gear is not interesting at all in 14

[@apharys8921]

Yep love that aspect. I remember watching an interview with Ion about that and he said something along the lines of how they calculated the levels of fun from "exciting" surprise mechanics vs working toward a goal and they value the levels of fun derived from surprise more than a consistent grind with low excitement levels but for people who enjoy that grind they implemented a new system where they can grind indefinitely and never reach completion (artifacts) and it's just like dude stfu I just want to get a thing I want without having to wait my turn for the rng gods' blessing for every goddamn item in the game. Especially when it comes to gear upgrades that you need to progress into more difficult content. At least now WoW is bringing back legendaries in a targetable manner rather than having absolutely everything be rng, so that's something maybe.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

@@SpaceElvisInc I'm a Final Fantasy guy at this point but I still agree with this. I miss my set pieces and my unique bits of gear that had their own procs and abilities. In Final Fantasy its literally just "Whelp, I hit things harder now!" One of my few complaints.

[@SpaceElvisInc]

@@palladiamorsdeus I'm on and off again with both, I enjoy 14 think it's a great game but it just have that extra something when it comes to gear, but I can understand why some might find all the sims and the number crunching is a turn off, I always try to optimize when ever and where ever I can still

[@BladeOfNyx]

@@SpaceElvisInc overmeld with materia if you want to mess with stats

[@RoxyHeartsYa]

Need more beard options for FFXIV!!! 😭

[@neknek9157]

Despite playing solo most of the time, I never feel alone because of the story. And Y'Shtola is so hot af her eyes are staring into my soul.

[@chadikhr7258]

IB yashtola rule 34

[@Rei-Rei]

Y'shtola isn't staring at anything with her eyes. She's blind.

[@Arphix]

@@Rei-Rei her blindness actually make her see the world's Aether so technically she actually do see your soul but not the rest lol To sum it up, she's Neo XD

[@Rei-Rei]

@@Arphix Yes, she now has some kind of aether-based radar sense, but that doesn't alter the fact that her eyes aren't looking at anything.

[@Arphix]

@@Rei-Rei actually Matoya said something interesting when she saw her. That she is consuming her own Aether to "see" therefore reducing her lifespan. I agree with you that she doesn't see like us but she must have some way to discern the landscape in some fashion otherwise, she would always walk into poles or trip on a Lalafell XD

[@smktv7226]

tbh, the having all jobs on one character is a must in ffxiv, because grinding through the story on multiple characters to access content is huge pain in the butt, and your only other option is to cash out. Biggest issue I have with ffxiv so far, I can't make a million pretty characters, level them up and call it a day because everything I can do with them is locked behind msq. My two cents anyways

[@Zehnt1337]

Asmongold reacts to Zepla part 2 incoming

[@austinmartin612]

He's so over invested in WoW he can't see how shit it's gotten

[@timothykennedy4631]

Oh im waiting for it lmao

[@krise99391]

@@austinmartin612 from the reaction video it seemed like he's reasonable, at least much more so than his community/idiots in chat, the only negative thing i can really say is how he insisted on calling out the catgirls every chance he got, as if having races that are just supposed to be cute is the end of the world. I really hate it when people have that mindset about just about anything really, and just insist on hating it out of principle.

[@Travel-Adv]

He should try FFXIV and change his name to Asmongil

[@recoomedabest9970]

@@austinmartin612 you have no clue what ur talking about if you think this lol

[@MihaZ]

Been playing wow since December '04. Had the same main throughout the years. Started FF14 in August and it's quite enjoyable. WoW lost its shine over time, what a shame.

[@blippiwithaclippi3197]

Same

[@meowbiich1689]

Well a new thing doesn’t mean a bad thing ;)

[@ramz3945]

I'm right there with you. I actually played competitively through the end of MOP, then got bored of it. I missed the lich king days tbh. I still think overall WoW is more hardcore and expansive, but FF14 definitely has a lot of positives. I'm honestly just waiting til Ashes of Creation drops. I'm hoping it can rekindle that feeling of the old Wow days.

[@ChAiNsAwBuTcHeR]

You will go back to WoW some time, just as we all do

[@letsgoasuka]

@@ChAiNsAwBuTcHeR Nope. I played WoW from Vanilla to the beginning of WD throughout highschool to a few years after that, I lost joy in playing it around Cata. It felt like a chore and I only continued because of my IRL friends that played. I got into FF14 because it was inevitable (I'm a diehard FF fan). It felt familiar to me but was also a breath of fresh air, the community was leaps and bounds better, the story is engaging, thought-provoking and satisfying. The characters have depth, actual personality and continual growth as they journey with you through each expansion and there's a reason why FF14 players get SO attached to many of them... spending hours /gposing with them haha. I thought I hated MMO's because of WoW but I learned to love them because of FF14. Tl;DR you could not PAY me to sub back to WoW. After FF14 I've never (and will never) go back to it.

[@SMNtheNight]

FFXIV gave me what I yearned for in WoW for over a decade, and that is a good fucking story with characters I care about and remember, including my own. It might be weird to say "my own character" but I think many FFXIV fans who are into the story will understand what I mean. Having your created character go through these journeys growing, making friends, allies, enemies, and having all those huge, important plots converge inevitably around you while making you feel integral to its course is just an incredible and personal experience.

[@Jamesgates355]

thats what makes FF so good, it is your character actually in the story and not just "the alliance defeated the boss" in the lore, i mean yes in some regard they have the somewhat generic "Warrior of Light" but you know it was you, the world knows who the Warrior of Light is, and we get treated as such from both allies and enemies, but with WoW, no one gives a fuck we killed literal gods, they never get brought up again (unless random plot tie and is only mentioned in a very passing way) while various gods and battles we fought before do sometimes take center stage in later parts and actually have some weight to them in those moments outside of them

[@TheTriforceDragon]

@@Jamesgates355 One of my favorite aspects was that when playing Heavensward as a Dragoon the story would actually remember that I was the Azure Dragoon with slight change in dialogue and how certain characters reacted to me to reflect this, especially Estinien who you as a Dragoon already had meet and interacted with. It made the entire expansion that much more personal.

[@Jamesgates355]

Jacob exactly! and its not just flavor text, it changes the entire feel of some the dialogue

[@smudgedragon]

They are so good about making the WoL, the player, the focus character, that every-time I see someone else's play-thru I get this mental disconnect/derail. **insert sound of needle being drug across vinyl record** "Wait, why isn't my character there? Who is this guy/girl?!?"

[@palladiamorsdeus]

@@smudgedragon SAME. I have a hard time watching other peoples videos because of that.

[@pasihirvonen4023]

A couple things that I didn't see anyone mention in the comments yet.. Now, I'm more in the FFXIV camp and I actually enjoyed it tons. There are maybe a couple things WoW does a bit better though (I may actually be talking more in the context of Classic but I reckon this applies to Retail as well). First one you actually mention in the video. While I don't disagree that Aetherites are super convenient for travel, I do hate having loading screens and especially not being able to run out of a city without a loading screen / area transition in between. If there's one thing WoW did good from the very beginning, it made the world feel big. I know the newer FFXIV areas are much bigger but they're still separate zones whereas WoW really feels a world where you walk from one edge of the world to another. Travel is a related concern but having to actually spend a bit of time travelling does help enforce the size of the world. That said, my point is not travel but the way the world feels connected. Second thing I think WoW actually does better is ... gear. Not visuals but the gear itself. It's faaaaaar more interesting in WoW in my opinion. You have gear that makes no sense, you have gear that has odd stats, you have good items , you have bad items.. you have it all. FFXIV gear is *super* symmetrical to a point of being extremely boring. Every new tier, there is a set for each class where the stats are essentially exactly the same. Every new tier, there's a best weapon that you get from the last tier boss and it's ... just the same for every bloody job, just better stats than the last tier's weapon. Yes, I realize in WoW min-maxers always find the Best Weapon(tm) anyway but at least in WoW it *feels* like you have the option and it doesn't feel like every single weapon is copy paste from last tier with updated stats. If I could somehow bring a couple things from WoW into FFXIV, I think these would be my choices.

[@ithadtobeaname7327]

Oh man, when i got my first 1% hitchance gear from the Lv50 Warlock Quest...that thing looked awesome. Or leave alone Sulfuras or Shadowmourne And honestly, i can´t remember a name of a single piece of gear in FF14...

[@gibby3767]

Yea ive noticed it seems like the gear in ff14 is just for a stat increase and to unlock a new cosmetic

[@Sonnabend00]

FF 14 doesnt shut their servers off every week and charge players for gametime they cant use

[@nickssmith91]

Community. Enough said. I am playing on a free trail and doing dungeons people are so nice and helpful.

[@blippiwithaclippi3197]

I know, everyone I’ve played with is good at communicating and come off as happy go lucky people

[@Siaman668]

Wait so nice people don’t exist in wow?

[@Saibal259]

@@Siaman668 I had a guy try to expel me from a raid because I didn't know the mechanics for the current content. It was my second attempt in stuff that had been out for a handful of weeks. Everyone expects you to just research everything prior to attempting something.

[@Siaman668]

@@Saibal259 that’s every mmo with some form of raid like content. Maybe your playing with asshole players

[@palepants9475]

Another great perk of 14: all the nostalgia bombs pulled from other games. They are everywhere and I love it.

[@petrus9067]

Yesss there's SO MUCH (e.g the entire crystal tower raids). And then ton of musics, bosses, clothes, story themes etc

[@yraco1232]

On the other hand it can be a bit much sometimes. Main example being the Ivalice quest line, which I feel like I just didn't get because I haven't played any other than XIV (and some XV but they're not really taking nostalgia from that). Usually it's handled pretty well though and seems like a nice nod to the people that have played more of the series while still being enjoyable for those of us that haven't.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

The Final Fantasy VI fights are still my favorites in the entire game.

[@ChainedFei]

@@yraco1232 It is heart breaking that you don't know much about Final Fantasy Tactics or FF12... Tactics is one of the more tragic stories in Final Fantasy.

[@Aries2Faeries]

Literally I almost cried when we fought the corpse brigade from FF tactics WOTL cuz I love that game SOOOO much!

[@FirestreakRodimusPr]

Zep, you've got to quit trolling and baiting Asmongold's stream audience.

[@jtjc7705]

^ my first thought upon seeing the thumbnail. Zep knows EXACTLY what she's doing ;) You know what, though? Good for her, working the system with precision.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

@cyka blyat Aw, found the WoW troll! You're a bit later than expected but at least you showed up, kiddo! Good on you! I mean you're wrong but hey, at least you tried!

[@seethedincrimson]

dont blame zepla for asmon being a manchild and being unstable

[@Agell]

@cyka blyat that's not living rent free, wow is literally the biggest game in the genre. Derp.

[@arfreda5912]

@cyka blyat she’s literally explained that her dad drove her to the closest Walmart to buy the game back in 2004?? Not 2014 LOL. She goes into detail on it.... like, tell me again who’s the one that has 0 idea wtf they’re talking about?

[@fsdafdsafdas]

Thank you Zepla, I was playing Classic WoW and watching Asmongold react to a couple of your vids and it convinced me FFXIV is the game with the community I was looking for as a well adjusted adult that enjoyed WoW 15 years ago who wants a modern story, graphics, crafts, all while keeping the virtues of early WoW years.

[@rickysilverio2494]

Despite what Zepla said, Zenos is still far better written and motivated than most Wow villains.

[@palladiamorsdeus]

Pretty sure I have met cardboard boxes that are better motivated than most WoW villains.

[@Lunarphor]

As a WoW player I came here seeing how many I could disagree with and the answer is none. They got me gal. You're an awesome creator. :)

[@fatcatsnuggleparty4272]

She too, was a WoW player. A lot of the more vocal 'FFXIV is better than WoW' are mostly ex-decade long WoW players.

[@dabada110]

Come join the darkside, we have cookies!

[@Zynnerr]

same

[@ChainedFei]

@@dabada110 We literally do, ask a Culinarian to bake you some.

[@seethedincrimson]

@cyka blyat its a bit ironic. as someone who played wow for 12 years and ff for 6 months....thers FAR FAR FAR more to do in ff even at endgame where wow is just forced dailies, maybe some keys, and the same raid for 3-6 months. with 9 80s in ff im still finding plenty of things to do and enjoy

[@nunyabidness8762]

Completing quests in WoW feels more like crossing Checkpoints in a race. In FFXIV, it feels like you've had an impact on the world you are in. Final Fantasy feels like an authentic world, with characters, places, and things that all appear to be a part of that world. In WoW, it feels like a spastic, comedic attempt at a "serious" world, but really, just comes off as silly, cheap, and ultimately, same old, same old.

[@wyzkun]

the only annoying thing about FFXIV quests are all of the contents are locked behind it. but i am just glad that the story are good, so wasnt really a chore when i bulldoze two weeks to get into shadowbringer. ARR especially waking sands oh my god.

[@mjnavarro18]

I can already see asmon raising his eyebrows up to the roofs. 😆

[@schibleh531]

The funny thing is, he can't really argue against her points.

[@qwertyb18]

@@schibleh531 the "class balance" is very debatable. FF14 doesnt even allow charts to be openly used by the playerbase, and there are classes that are "raid dps" vs "personal dps"

[@palladiamorsdeus]

@@qwertyb18 Okay, and? I feel like you don't really have a point here and you're just flappin' yer gums in some weird attempt at defending WoW. The class balance is not debatable in the least, due to the way XIV's classes are structured it is much easier to have them being close in line to each other. Contrast and compare WoW's three specs per most classes ((Even if they have simplified it to the nth degree)) and you have a nightmare of balancing needs. Now I am actually not saying that's a negative thing overall, personally the one thing I prefer about WoW is the level of options you have within each class, but it does mean that one is relatively simple to balance and the other is not, and the end results show that very plainly.

[@qwertyb18]

@@palladiamorsdeus "flappin my gums" you just replied with a thesis statement. All I'm saying is WoW has a constant stream of battle reports and FF14 has next to no parse info. That's a huge counterclaim. Until we see something empirical, you don't have an objective argument.

[@BladeOfNyx]

@@qwertyb18 we do have parse its just in ffxiv its don't ask don't tell but there is an entire dedicated to it long as you Google it. (That addon is considered a grey line and yoshi p even said they don't officially acknowledge it)

[@gregorycafiero9688]

Months later: Anduin reveal from Blizzcon. They really like corruption, huh...

[@Ictar]

15 years. I've been playing Wow for 15 years. In that time I was do or die, nothing better then WoW. Until the last few years that is. 15 years on a game and you changed my mind in 16 minutes.

[@stoneymahoney9106]

Made the jump myself a couple months ago - almost didn't stick with it, the opening 20-30hrs of ARR content felt like a slog, but things quickly picked up and every day I discover new things that the WoW team couldn't hope to execute even half as well. Crafting in particular makes the WoW equivalent feel like a zero-effort early access asset flip - the mechanics and progression are light-years ahead in FF14, and the side storylines that accompany each discipline are just as well written as the MSQ. I shed actual tears during the lv50 mining quest final cutscene, I shit you not. And now I'm going back to the beast tribe rep grind I was working on - I'm helping some featherless birds build a massive airship! Srsly, I wouldn't even play WoW for free anymore.

[@kingofnamek]

With the recent Preach/Ion interview, the 2nd point hits hard... All jobs on one character speaks to me, I've always been torn between several WoW classes.

[@melvoid01]

I literally did that botanist quest today, got my BTN to 50 to catch up my MNR, now working on my Fisher so i can have em all on a level so I can lose some old gear for space. We need more space.

[@KattReen]

Agreed, the gear inventory is kinda slim when you're leveling many classes at once.

[@nestorarcilaosorio2457]

I think the storage system in general need a huge rework do to how much "crap" you have for all the classes you can be, also a lot more space for your stuffs, more connection between storages.

[@turbomoogle]

Controller support and UI. I can use a controller and still be able to heal endgame content. If you think kb&m is better, you can use that too. The thing is FFXIV gives you a choice. WoW, there is no choice. If anything my XIV rotations on a controller are more complicated than the 4 button rotation on my Ret pally on Nzoth.

[@fhey7903]

"We can all enjoy the story on the day it launches" *Laughs in Raubahn Extreme*

[@peterlopez2388]

The sounds I made laughing at this comment.....

[@paro2210]

The biggest thing that prevents FFXIV to be my favorite MMO is that they lack a propper pet class.

[@Jean-dd9yy]

Shadowbringers is a jewel Im glad found thanks to a friend after being a WoW Refugee

[@seanbarrett3744]

The thing i hate is how every expansion they have to rebuild the systems or even how I would take a break and come back to find half of my action bars are missing or my talent tree reset so now I have no clue how my main works.

[@abavendarlocke5455]

To be fair, FFXIV has a fair amount of that, too. Especially when ShB released. Basically, half of the skills you had were gone, and they completely got rid of TP, so...

[@yagikataiser434]

@@abavendarlocke5455 Right. Neither MMO should be criticized for periodically reinventing parts of its core systems. You can criticize them for doing it /badly/, of course (azerite armor, some classes being oversimplified between HW and ShB imo, for example), but a lot of the complaints one hears come across as just sounding like "CHANGE BAD".

[@alpsi285]

Zenos is awesome. Before him, we took out our enemies with not much resistance. But the story of Zenos is like two unstoppable forces colliding, us vs him. Zenos lived for that rush, can't say the same for WoL though lol. SB had a good focus on foils. WoL/Zenos, Lyse/Fordola, Yotsu/Domans

[@craigwilde2162]

As a character Zenos is very simple which frankly is fine, but I always found the impact he had on the more complicated characters more interesting. People are terrified of him and the likes of Fedola and Yotsuyu wouldn't be as interesting as they are if they weren't driven by what he left in his uncaring wake. If Gaius van Baelsar was still in charge of Ala Mhigo then Fedola would have turned out different as I doubt he'd tolerate the sort of people in his court who'd look down on those who proved themselves.

[@FrankysABoysName]

Ffxiv doesn't bother with "Borrowed Power" - trinkets, set bonuses, glyphs, MoP cloaks, Legion legendaries and artifact weapons, covenants, etc. I love that. Sure, when a new expansion is released we'll eventually replace raid gear and relic weapons with quest or dungeon gear - but it's still forward movement, never backwards.

[@InsanoRider777]

And that gear doesn't go away, either. You get attached to your Anima weapon? It can always be your preferred weapon, even if it's not equipped thanks to glamour.

[@heiral7773]

The bust increase option always made me appreciate character development. They go into insane detail to increase diversity. Now imagine if we saw a booty increase option in the next xpac =p