150 cycles of chaos for a WELL LIT Bonbon Farm. | Ep 10 | ONI - Frosty - Ceres

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[@Reeuwijk78]

Echo, if you want the 'undiscovered' tiles revealed you can build ladders under and above it and command a dupe to cross it. Should work...

[@fuuryuuSKK]

Pretty sure what I have seen FJ do is put a ladder on the tile directly below the undiscovered tile, then moved a dupe onto that ladder.

[@slinky5669]

Sometimes you have to deconstruct the ladder too and make the dupe fall through it

[@vectinator7605]

Echo’s big issue is he is going to have dig up multiple trees afterwards to get the pips to replant it correctly.

[@GrimoneAsur]

Or build a tile below it and order a dupe to step on a tile.

[@wingsolution]

yup, if you get a dupe into an undiscovered tile, it gets discovered.

[@unknown_aaron3691]

I personally enjoy the longer ONI episodes

[@overlordkye]

You know one of the best parts about bring Frostproof? Being able to have a dupe wear whatever they want! The purple polyester is classic for a reason! “Never be afraid to change your plans.” Man, now there’s a lesson this game really forces people to learn lol. Flexibility, adaptability, persistence. Oh, and appreciation for the finer things in life, which is to say: Sweepy is heckin adorable. (the tl;dr below lol) imo, Sweepy is a perfect example of ONI charm. Sure, you could have yet another automated machine do the job, and sure, we would use it sometimes. But look at that cute little buddy!! There are base builders and factory builders and management sims coming out our ears, but Klei literally made part of the automation absolutely adorable. And that’s to say nothing of critters, of course. Resource production aside, they’re a huge sink for dupe labour - ranching can only be done by a dupe, after all, and that includes shearing, grooming, milking... But you’re damn right I’m gonna have pips wandering my halls and shine buggies lighting up my rooms, and big bammiess heating up the base I’m trying desperately to keep cold lol.

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

Comment of the week.

[@Kael_Rus]

For my Icey needs in my frost colony, I use Gulp Fish in a diamond tank. Polluted water is constantly pumped in from the 2 cool slush gysers on my map coming in at -10 to -15 C, the Gulp Fish convert the polluted water into normal water which flash freezes to ice which feeds all my ALVEO Vera plants.

[@Hanmacx]

I love the Gulp Fish pooping 🧊 😅

[@reyrodrigues]

A nectar to plastic to sour gas boiler would be a hilarious way to really ONI up the bonbon trees

[@Hanmacx]

Another idea is Tallow to Crude Oil and Petroleum The Geo Vent can be used to cook Oil into Petroleum

[@pixel9761]

46 minutes of Echo at 1 am? Lesss goooo

[@nazgu1]

>5:30 It's not the 90% uptime that makes the AT not keep up, it's the temperature of the steam around 250. With all 5 outputs working steam turbines dump too much excess heat when steam is at 250°. If you add another 5 turbines that turn on only above 200°, and then add another AT in series with the existing one, you will have both extra power and no wasted heat.

[@swimmadude66]

to clear the unknown tiles, simply put a tile under one of the unknown spaces, then move a dupe in a path which requires crossing on the tile. As soon as the dupe enters the unknown tiles, it will clear permanently

[@timf7354]

Hey Echo. Around the 13:00 - 15:00 mark, where you are talking about the 3 geo vents... Something you might think about is automation for returning water into the steam chamber when it has low pressure and/or high temps. Because if your steam is over 200 C, you want that 95C water to go back in to help cool it down slightly so you use less power cooling the steam turbines. You also want to get rid of steam pressure when it's too high, because the vents can stifle from overpressure. So, those two automation items combined will open/close the liquid vent and let the 95C water either drop into the steam chamber or continue past the liquid vent to the geothermal heat pump. Another thing you can do is place airflow or mesh tiles above/around the geo vents to limit the debris field size when it spits out all the materials. Since it's all automated, this may save you some materials or make it look a little more organized.

[@KaedysKor]

...did you even watch the episode? Literally 90% of the time he's spent on the geovent rooms is getting the automated properly to dump steam turbine output back into the room if it's low on pressure or high on temp. He also put "lids" on the vents to reduce the debris spray.

[@user-kc9rs8ew4x]

The Bonbon's so bright I gotta wear shades.

[@BouncingTribbles]

Plume squash = plum squash Cinnabar ore = cinnamon ore Pikeapples = pineapples

[@Daedwartin2]

Actually, Cinnabar Ore isnt a pun. Cinnabar is a very real and very much toxic material formed from Mercury Sulfide. It has a VEEEEEEERY red coloration. Indeed in many cultures, the red people tend to think of is probably actually the very shade of red that Cinnabar has as it used to be used in a lot of paints. We stopped using it for paint because its Mercury Sulfide, do I need to explain more. To this day, the majority of Mercury mined is sourced from Cinnabar.

[@NateHuff24]

Cinnabar is a real life ore I'm pretty sure.

[@TheVicelion]

you forgot Alveo veras = Alo Veras

[@KaedysKor]

He also liked "pikeberries" at first.

[@nattygibbs8952]

Oh sour gas yaaaaaay

[@titaniadioxide6133]

8:08 for anyone looking for it 😂

[@commonsense-og1gz]

the open door ranches for the seals could create problems since seals moving out may trigger delivery duties. this is not to mention that overcrowding will be a problem when they enter. you could opt for a single open door ranch, this could be an infinite ranch type. you only need a ranch to apply the groomed status effect, nothing else here.

[@Christian-jc6gf]

This map definitely needs a mercury volcano 22:20

[@vonVile]

Klei needs to remove the condition that the Spice Grinder is needed for a room to qualify at a Kitchen to get the room bonus. It's annoying.

[@BouncingTribbles]

@@vonVile yeah, 2 kitchen buildings and a fridge makes way more sense.

[@stevenpaulsen5975]

love the longer form videos

[@georgemiles568]

Some cheasy math for the next time you calculate your cooling loops. The specific heat capacity is basically all we care about in this case. At 1.0, thats 1 DTU per g per degree C. So a full gas pipe can do 1000G and a regulator will remove 14 degree C, so your loop will remove 14000 DTUs per loop. A poor thermal conductivity may inhibit all of that heat removed, but a large loop makes it not worth worrying about.

[@KaedysKor]

Ya, it's a good rule of thumb. The only thing that conductivity does is limit how much heat the coolant can draw from the environment per pipe segment. The raw maximum cooling potential of any aquatuner setup is 14 * 10 * THC in kDTUs/s, and of a thermo regulator 14 * 1 * THC in kDTUs/s. For a Nector aquatuner setup, that's 574 kDTU/s, and for a hydrogen regulator setup, that's 33.6 kDTUs/s. That's the absolute maximum amount those setups can cool, full stop.

[@stolen_stardust]

i’m really loving the longer episodes lately! i’m all for one long episode over split into parts, though i know viewer retention might not reflect well on longer vids. loving this series so far :^)

[@flockofwingeddoors]

Fantastic video as usual! Fun fact: I watch all of KZbin sped up, and I always watch you at 1.5x speed. You should listen to yourself at that speed, it might amuse you lol

[@MrQwertyqw]

2x hits just right for me

[@philbo_bagginz]

Thanks for sharing! I really enjoyed the episode!

[@vutysersuxxx5236]

I have to say I really enjoyed the longer vid! wasnt boring or anyhing, well done with the farm it looks amazing!

[@poisonstinger2946]

43:59 easy way to get those undiscovered black voids to go away. Have a dupe fall through it. Deconstruct the floor above it so that a dupe falls through and voilà. Hope that helps

[@vectinator7605]

In order to reveal the little patches of black unknown tiles to build a floor below it and have dupe walk on it, but given the trees you aren’t going to want to do that since you would need to replant several trees.

[@iccolo]

welcome sweepy you shall be our new god

[@will4383]

Dont forget you should have a bunch of luman quartz you can use top help light that top row at least. And if you want to maximize those you can build tile under the branches so the quartz sits right on a branch.

[@memberoftheoldguard9959]

I love the pip planting mod, it makes it so I just don't have to remember anything like that

[@BouncingTribbles]

You can disconnect any vents that are overpressured and the rest of the vents will work.

[@davidvankasteren361]

Glorious chaos!

[@anibarukyouran1145]

once again Pips save the day

[@ForeverLostInOz]

Getting a late watch in on this one, thank you for another great video.

[@defiantly_emily]

A little sour gas amongst friends never hurt anyone 👀

[@oran0663]

Regarding your glass setup I do really wish that the smart storage bin could disallow manual use for this exact reason (24:45)

[@nazgu1]

"No manual delivery" mod for the rescue!

[@oran0663]

@@nazgu1 I mean for sure I just hope they do the same thing hey did with snipping tool(mod was so popular they just added the mechanic to the game)

[@enire8477]

The nectar and ethanol both come out at -38c so you can technically use it for cooling the entire base. But the cool ethanol might be better used for feeding more plumsquashs/bammoths to get extra reedfibre, meat, phosphorite and well plum squash fries, rather than off to power.

[@wittkopdotzgaming]

4:06 there is no denying echo XD, you know what it is. For real, no clue what makes it work like this and why only with airlock, drawback is that its a 50% loss on the metal ore if you dig it back up

[@titaniadioxide6133]

Re: Geothermal: You may want to modify the automation with some And-Gates so extra water only gets added if all of the steam bricks are under pressure. As is, I think you’re still going to eventually end up with one room overpressured, since the left room is going to hit underpressure earlier, and then more steam will be added to the right room even though it’s okay.

[@Iamwyza]

Mercury is renewable from mining in space

[@b2tharocksax199]

Shine bugs are free light Can you connect the Geo vents by a layer of air flow tiles underneath so they even out?

[@zito88]

To fix the unknown tiles you have to have a dupe stand on that exact tile. Put a ladder there and use the move to command to have a dupe stand there.

[@marcushaom]

Echo, excellent video (as always) but I wonder why you don't use the plastic floors and stairs to speed up your duppes (not to mention the traffic tubes, but we wait for those because of the energy problem).

[@ghostrider654321]

hehe about that Sour gas, I think nectar flashed into naptha and then sour gas

[@TheBigEric]

Echo, just put a ladder under the unknown tile and move a dupe to it. It will make it change.

[@medusa1147]

FYI you don't have enough trees for that many seals. Wild trees only produce at a quarter rate, so the domestic tree can support 2 seals but wild ones need 2 trees per seal. 80kg/cycle nectar at max production farm raised with 2x40 kg seals, vs 2x20kg/cycle with 1x40kg seal

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

The nectar production is based on the light the branches receive and does not take into account wild/domesticated status.

[@medusa1147]

If you hover over the "producing nectar" tag of both domestic and wild trees, you'll notice they are different, even at the same light level. At maximum light (minimum 10k lux) wild trees still produce at a quarter of the rate

[@medusa1147]

They'll both say 100% efficiency, because the tree is producing as fast as they can, but where it tells you the grams/second you'll see that the wild ones are producing 1/4 the total grams/second

[@NickFied]

Echo, u can use mesh tiles instead of glass as i know they allows light to pass through and u can use 2nd and 3th floor to ranch seals

[@jerryfriend8337]

For some reason, that only seems to work with the natural light at the top of the asteroid, not artificial light from lamps.

[@jenestar5513]

the bonbon tree wood farm just need _some_ light for growing, not max, so you could save the planet and a bit of power using less lamps

[@pierrotdeanau1848]

More! Gime more! More long video! Did you use steel again for the liquid pipe in the bonbon tree farm? Or will you use the aluminium that you will find in the map? Good job echo for the video!

[@AegisPupus]

I would have used the same pipes that collect the nectar as the cooling pipes pushing cool nectar though it.

[@zecorezecron]

I personally think you should have put the tree farm at the top of the map where sunlight will keep them lit. No power cost and no extra heat production.

[@UristMcPerson]

The trouble with doing that is that the peak sunlight hours are only for a third of the cycle. Either side of those hours the light waxes or wanes, and gives no light at all at night. For wild planted plants it's 4× slower already, and now you're effectively doing another 3× slowdown. It's free light, sure, but now the bonbons are effectively 12x less productive.

[@zecorezecron]

@@UristMcPerson Do the trees need max solar output ot get their max growth? I haven't messed with the new DLC. I know that solar panels usually max out for most of the day.

[@UristMcPerson]

@@zecorezecron They do. Production of nectar from the branches scales from 0-100% based on the percentage of light up to 10,000 lux they're getting.

[@zecorezecron]

@@UristMcPerson ISn't max solar output something ike 30k lux? It's been a while, so I am not sure, but that should mean that you get at least 3/4 of the day at max output.

[@UristMcPerson]

@@zecorezecron not for the frosty asteroid I think? On my run it only gets bright enough for solar panels to do 68w. Something like 6000 lux I think?

[@atTran-ng1df]

actually, mercury is renewable from the new material cloud which include cinnabar ore

[@Hanmacx]

I wish they would have added a Mercury geyser 😅

[@atTran-ng1df]

@@Hanmacx i bet theres a mod for that

[@christopherg2347]

You could have just cut the number of lights to 1/3 - one directly above each tree. Doesn't matter if they are stiffled because of heat or lack of light. And did you ever check if maybe one lamp is enough?

[@Hanmacx]

22:14 they should have done mercury geysers 😅

[@sawyerbarlow8758]

Could you add automation to the outside of the geothermal pump to prevent the outputs from being over pressured?

[@LusciousLucien]

Echo there is a way to get more mercury. I found out through space drilling the astroid fields have both solid and liquid mercury to mine so solved sustainability issue. Or you can use them as dupe sun lamps lol

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

Hmmm... standby a couple videos.

[@Hanmacx]

28:15 have you tried other liquid too for GeoVent? What happens with Nectar for example? 😅

[@macfanta4269]

Please get rid of those unknown tiles, you just need to get a dupes feet into the black.

[@anotherkenlon]

Plume != plum.

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

Plume == Plum for my dumb brain.

[@21snipers16]

i like the loge ep

[@coconut9497]

Hey echo, why put to liquid shutoffs (the geothermal heat pump sistem) and not a AND gate?

[@Wright1331]

With the unknown tile, just build a ladder under it, and have a dup stand on top of the ladder. Problem solved.

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

I tried this. No joy. It usually does work like that though.

[@marekw7562]

does the bonbon trees produce the same amount of nectar regardless of domestic/wild growth? I don't want seals to be hungry

[@jerryfriend8337]

Nope. Domestic trees produce 80kg per cycle while wild produce 20kg per cycle.

[@katrinarose2210]

Make a dupe walk into the unknown tiles

[@pangary]

Why not build the bonbon tree in vacuum so that heat will not be a problem?

[@johannstein5199]

Hey This new update is so cool that i watched another yt series. In that there was a sentence that threw me in a rabit hole: it was that he dont want his geo vent room above 200°C and i thought (coz of my knowledge i got watching you for more than i think almost 2 years) no no why dont make it 250°C? but more than 1 time he said taht it is more efficient to hold the temp lower almost under 200°C and that startet the rabit hole for me of searching the internet about math and steamturbines. short if u have a problem cooling the steam turbins lower the temp. if the room is hotter yes u get more power from each turbin but the amount of more cooling needed makes it less efficient. i dont know haw it is in every setup (i just dig down the hole 2 to 3 hours) but i thought to say that to you because of the maybe existing problem. Maybe you can adapt it or maybe even better give me, ones again, a lesson why i am wrong. Eather way i like to hear about it as always I love your videos even if i dont comment every episode but ones i a while i have something to say. Thank you.

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

The steam turbines produce the most possible power around 220 degrees. After that you are effectively wasting power. But in this case, the source is infinite so it doesn't matter too much.

[@zecorezecron]

@@EchoRidgeGaming Actually, if 5 vents on the turbines are taking in steam, max power is at 200 degrees. All the temperature over that is not used as heat, but still makes the turbines heat up with no additional power generation. You can block the inlets on the turbine to use less steam/second at a higher temperature to get the same 850 watts. with 1 inlet blocked, max power is a 226 degrees.

[@johannstein5199]

@@zecorezecron thats What i ment to say but with much less knowledge

[@OneOfDisease]

What is your plan for all that nectar? You could have just tapped all the natural trees in the space biome and dumped it in a tank if you wanted nectar. You went overboard. I thought you were going to go full ham on ethanol production when i saw the thumbnail.

[@samueltrusik3251]

Hmm, not enough property damage.

[@emiktra7929]

I swear more youtubers need to use the mod "supress notifications". For example, nobody wants to see the red notification icon under the deep fryer warning us of it not being in a kitchen. You install the mod, click the building and select the "supress notifications" button

[@genehenson8851]

You shouldn’t try to speak for everyone. I don’t care at all about seeing the notifications. Why do you think this would bother everyone?

[@Reeuwijk78]

I wish I tested that before I rebuilt my two cooking setups to include the spice grinder and fridge. But good to know that the fryer works if outside a true kitchen.

[@pyroman7196]

@gene “everyone” in this context doesn’t imply every single person, it implies the vast majority. You don’t need to be personally offended when you disagree with someone’s opinion as if it were directed towards you / about you.

[@fruity4820]

Idk I had trouble last time I tried using that mod. I feel like it was more of a problem with a combination of several different mods rather than the fault of any specific one, but I had to tone down my mods usage and the "suppress notification" mod didn't make the cut. Maybe some KZbinrs ran into a similar problem as me

[@nommy8599]

​@@pyroman7196 They might not like the way it was said because it's speaking in absolutes which has subtle but serious consequences: Speaking in absolutes refers to making broad, definitive statements that leave no room for exceptions or nuance, often using words like always, never, everyone, or nobody. For example, saying "You always do this" or "This never works." It’s problematic for several reasons: 1. Inaccuracy: Absolutes often ignore nuance or exceptions, which can lead to overly simplistic or inaccurate conclusions. The complexity of most situations means that "always" and "never" statements rarely hold true. 2. Stifles Discussion: Speaking in absolutes can shut down productive conversations because it leaves no room for alternative perspectives or compromise. This can prevent constructive dialogue and mutual understanding. 3. Creates Conflict: Absolutes tend to feel accusatory or exaggerated, making others feel defensive or misunderstood. This escalates conflict rather than fostering cooperation or problem-solving. 4. Impaired Fluid Thinking: When you think or speak in absolutes, it reinforces rigid, black-and-white thinking. This makes it harder to see complexities or to adapt your thinking to new information. A rigid mindset limits growth and understanding. 5. Decreased Empathy and Understanding of Differences: Using absolutes to describe others makes it harder to understand and appreciate people who are different. If you think "They always act this way," you limit your ability to see nuance or empathize with their experiences. This can lead to division and misunderstanding between people or groups. 6. Encourages Confirmation Bias: Absolutes can trap someone in confirmation bias, where they only pay attention to information that supports their belief and ignore anything that contradicts it. This limits critical thinking and keeps people from being open to change or new ideas. 7. Hinders Problem-Solving: Fluid thinking is essential for creative and effective problem-solving. Absolutes prevent this by restricting flexibility and adaptability, leading to a narrow mindset that struggles to handle complex challenges or explore innovative solutions. 8. Impacts on Relationships and Society: When people think in absolutes and can’t understand those who are different, it impacts how relationships and societies function. This lack of understanding can lead to division and polarization, making it harder to collaborate, build community, or solve shared problems. In summary, speaking in absolutes reduces accuracy, stifles open communication, fosters conflict, and reinforces rigid, unhelpful thinking patterns. It limits empathy, encourages bias, and makes it harder to solve problems or understand people who are different. This can have a significant negative impact on personal relationships and society as a whole. - AI It's beside the point but I also don't like those notifications.

[@jamesvance1367]

Why o2 and not hydrogen cooling?

[@dean4939]

he Mentioned he had no hydrogen available.

[@vineheart01]

The mercury light is another thing that bothers me about ONI.... Theres a LOT of items and mechanics in this game that are just...bad...like lot of food and geyser types and critters are just pointless to attempt to use. Insanely difficult to automate and equal or worse results than something that is braindead easy. I dont know why they do that. It also makes cheesing the pips and natural tile 'feature' more prevalent because it removes the need to automate some plants that otherwise would be insanely difficult to sustain for long periods.

[@graspienjo2850]

Every time you say Plum Squash I cringe lol :) That's fine though haha

[@EchoRidgeGaming]

Ploooooom Squash

[@graspienjo2850]

@@EchoRidgeGaming hahaha

[@nrowedder]

First?

[@salemprompthous3820]

24:00 this is how I always build my glass forges. Somehow, if the liquid glass (which makes 25kg per run) gets dropped on a tile, it does not form a 25kg debris pile (which is also seen here). Drop it on top of a liquid, however, it always has a 1:1 into debris piles. Hopefully this is something Klei is aware of and will look into, but hope is dead when it comes to Klei fixing all the "annoying inconveniences" in this game, and rather milk their gassy moos by churning out more dlcs.

[@salemprompthous3820]

44:03 build a ladder directly below, force move dupe on top of the ladder, unknown should go away. (Pretty sure this is something I learned from @Echo's Live Chat on twitch)

[@John-hv7ct]

Hi im insanely drunk i willl watch after wards but i am insanly frunk while beeinh16 i will wazch is tomorow xD

[@Jarnsmidr]

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