$1500 VS $5000 // CZ 457 MTR Vs VUDOO 360 // Precision Rimfire 22LR Showdown

[@livinginswva1965]

Great video. A couple possible followup tests: Both rifles using the same scope, to test just the difference between the rifles. Next, the Vudoo with both scopes to test the change in accuracy due to optic quality.

[@KevWilOG]

I appreciate the detail of freshly painted targets for a comparison.

[@mantzbrinkman4780]

I am a pedestrian shooter. A long time ago, I put a lot of rounds through break barrel air rifles. I own a CZ .22 I purchased more than twenty years ago. I don't even know the model. What I do know is that I went shooting with my nephew. I have a decent scope mounted on it. We were shooting outdoors at 100 yards off a card table and I don't recall what we were sitting on. I was shooting Elay Match ammo. I just had one try with five shots. They drifted in the wind about an inch or so but those five shots could have been covered by a nickel. I have been a CZ fan ever since. Great gun plus great ammo with decent everything else (young man's eyes and hold and grip) and groups get admirably tight. I love that memory.

[@SigmaBallistics]

pedestrian!?!?

[@jeffreypelletier7247]

CZ baby!! Honestly I think a well practiced shooter behind a CZ can definitely hang right there with a voodoo or rim-x all day thanks for the content brother!!

[@pevelyhomeowner327]

Looking forward to this. My old 452 American has spoiled a Vudoo or twos match before.. 😝

[@jason.e.g]

Same, my 455 ruins them.

[@davidaguiar1387]

Great Video as usual, Josh. I own (and enjoy) both a near stock Varmint MTR and a full custom Vudoo 360. I'd concur that the Vudoo has the edge in a few ways but not by a factory of 3. It would be interesting to see if the MTR gained that other point if the scopes were swapped.

[@wowguy3562]

I own both rifles, and honestly, I find reading the wind is the most important aspect regarding accuracy

[@CHenry1951]

Well that CZ held its own with the VUDOO....................................CZ with a better glass might be the answer for most !!

[@christopherfreeman3095]

An upgrade to the Midas Tac on a 457 MTR stays within production class now. Almost a cheat code

[@fredshebester-wg4vb]

I was actually at my local gun shop, trying to order a CZ 457 MDT XRS with a 20" Barrel today, only to find that it's not sold in the USA, but is sold in Canada. I could, however, order a MTR, but I decided to wait. Thanks to this video, I'll be going back to the gun shop when it reopens Tuesday to order my CZ MTR, and purchase the MDT chassis separately! Thank you!!

[@michaelcoley9360]

If you plan on going with a custom barrel you might want to consider getting a basic model 457 and save the money. Also I believe the mtr 16” barrel will sit flush with the mdt forearm.

[@pingchu8529]

I work a a gun shop and i just ordered a cz 457 “chassis” model with the mdt acc chassis 24’ barrel. These were supposed to release in 2023 and they just became available in the last 2 weeks, limited production of 500 units as well. Two of out of our 7 distributor’s had them … theres only 10 left from one of the largest distributors and in the US. other distributors may have them allocated so they may hold them for their higher volume spending clients. Msrp is 1900 . Currently 34 of them on gun broker, make sure you buy from a user with feedback. If you live in Maine you can come to our shop and we’ll order you one. Or we can ship you one to your ffl

[@gavinbowman8234]

Best to be safe and own both. Love the comparison and enjoy these videos!

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Haha very true

[@russm6759]

Always enjoy your content and your unbiased perspective. Keep up the great work!

[@LerrySanders]

Ive been wanting to get my hands on one of those 457s. Im really looking forward to seeing more T1x content.

[@jeffkalina7727]

Thank you for the professionalism you demonstrate in all your videos. Well done sir!

[@richardmattix5322]

Josh your honesty is above average and so is your shooting. I can say for sure I spent way to much time working when I was your age and should have spent more time enjoying life.

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Thanks Richard, means a lot! Couldnt do it without you guys, truly appreciated

[@dalehill6127]

As a side note I have to say that I think far too many people--especially men--become so habituated to work that they continue it obsessively right until the ends of their lives and then regret that it's all over for them and there's no going back.😐

[@nelsonm5032]

That was great! ole CZ was right in there.. very nice. i love my MTR, very accurate.

[@johnterhark6516]

Agreed.👍

[@RF-Canuck]

I was really excited for this video! It’s nice to see how good a CZ is compared to the Vudoo. I was on the fence about getting a Vudoo. After watching this, I think I’ll keep rocking my MTR!

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

The vudoos a great rifle, i enjoy having mine in the collection with the cz's

[@christopherfreeman3095]

Every time I think about upgrading to a 700 Vudoo/RimX, I take the trusty MTR/Midas Tac and a box of SK Rfile Match and hammer steel with it. Never jams, always ejects, shoots ~1-1.5” @ 100yds, etc. But it does take more effort to drive the rear of the rifle since the balance is off…

[@ericf4779]

CZ fan here. The MTR is incredible for the money. A little added weight and balance, with equal scopes. It will be just as good as the high dollar rigs.

[@shelley131]

I would not mind seeing another video where you put the riflescope on the Vudoo on the CZ and the CZ scope on the Vudoo. I wonder if it would make a difference in the outcome. Great video by the way, as usual.

[@TnTman-dx5qb]

Love my cz waiting for 26" liga barrell

[@wowguy3562]

That was a great comparison brother.

[@rickpowell7550]

I have the savage markii in the Boyd's at one chassis. Ive been shooting half inch and under at fifty yards with it with sk riffle match. And 1 inch most of the time at a hundred yards. Im sure i could do better if i lot tested. I have not had any trouble with it yet. I know ive shot at least 2000 rounds through it. I have the Bushnell 6 to 18 legend scope on it.

[@ron8566]

Josh - great video, the only problem is that the 457 MTR is effectively out of stock nationwide. I looked for one for a couple of months, but could not secure one. I ended up getting a Tikka T1X.

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Yeah not sure whats up with the shortage. This really applies to any 457's or t1x etc.

[@sgtlt]

Great video, made me feel good about my 457 mtr

[@Natezoinks]

Fun comparison, love your range! 👍🏻❤️🇺🇸

[@tylerorth2870]

Cz for the win!

[@austinkroe]

If only some of the production manufacturers would get on the big ole barrel train… Balance and position building seem to be huge keys to the sport and I’m unaware of any production rifle that is easy to get the balance point right on.

[@gmg3precision]

Love the video and topic! I have a high end custom bolt rifle, an entry Bergara B14r, and a kidd 10/22. As crazy as i may sound, i seem to gravitate back to the kidd 10/22 using sk hi velocity, but i wouldn't hesitate to take any of the 3 to a match. Thanks for the video!

[@matthewrezuke8130]

Cz from dp would be my next buy

[@capt.mike73ahoy14]

Good comparison Josh. I'm a CZ fan so my bias may be showing. For the money, I'd go with the 457 with very good optics and spend the difference on a variety of above average ammo. Thanks for the video!

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Thanks for watching brother

[@eric12245]

Where can an MTR be found? I wound up buying a varmint due to not finding an MTR.

[@michaelcoley9360]

Keep the one you have and put on a custom barrel like a lilja. It can outshine a mtr😂

[@pedrojacome4106]

The difference in bolt chambering noise between the two guns is outstanding. The voodoo is clearer “slickier”, so to speak. I don’t know if this word exists in english tough 😂😂. Nice video greetings from Brazil

[@imeprezime1285]

The same thing I was wondering about. The noise difference is so noticable that I thought CZ shoots supersonic ammo

[@ronmartblog]

Mirrors what I see at my range - plenty of high tech wealthy folks who can buy the best gear to help level the playing field against more experienced shooters, but in competent hands with the right ammo the difference is negligible out to 200 yards. It’s really at the mercy of the human pulling the trigger and the wind. Beyond 200 yards it does seem that the more expensive rifles tend to show a better return on the investment. Since my range maxes out at 200 and I can hit a penny or clear a KYL at that distance with my 457, that’s good enough for me. If I was competing - especially at longer distances I’d probably make the investment just to take the gear excuse away

[@lewisrice3741]

I don't care how much money you put in a rifle it's hard to beat a cz bro. I have three cz457s and i would shoot with any kind of of a rifle and i would like to think i would do alright. Beagleman

[@patrickoberem9109]

Very interesting. You may be really impressed with the Lithgow LA101. I've seen it outshoot the competition on multiple occasions....

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

I've been keeping my eye open for one

[@RF-Canuck]

How about a head to head shootout with Vudoo vs Build at home CZ with Modacam barrel and a good scope? I get the purpose of factory out of the box low dollar vs Vudoo, however I would like to see the other.

[@Mrpocketprospecting]

After watching a guy win a prs with the 457, and the one guy..Zane maybe winning nrl22 with a tikka and a 1k scope, I’d say in bench money is going to win, when you put human factor in gun helps but a calm/straight shooter is always going to rise to the top

[@chriscox3911]

I would rather see a comparison of the guns both using the same glass

[@SlavGuns]

Question, so why aren't they threaded? Don't use suppressors?

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Yeah i dont use supressors or tuners

[@couespursuit7350]

My view has always been, can your NRL22 rifle hit the 1/4" on the KYL at 50y consistently? If your answer is yes then your rig is good enough to compete with. Thanks Josh for making that so clear for all to see.

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

True, its likely the hardest target (moa) we shoot at in competition. The real kicker is people think they need a .25" group gun to do it. To hit it everytime you need a rifle that can shoot .48" groups

[@RichardEnglish-vj3vv]

Really enjoy your videos. Just curious if you have done a comparison between the cz 457 mtr and the LRP

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

@@RichardEnglish-vj3vv i havent shot an lrp yet.

[@RichardEnglish-vj3vv]

@ would be interested in your thoughts on it if you do have a chance to check it out

[@Millsman02]

Josh, I noticed the Bix trigger on your Vudoo has a straight shoe. Was that supplied by Bix, or is it a aftermarket shoe that fits the Bix trigger? Thanks for the video!

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Bix sells a straight shoe. I got it from bullet central

[@mjk2374]

The mtr is one hell of a platform. If you had a plain 457, it probably would be a completely different outcome.

[@John.VanSwearingen]

Shooters love the “it’s the Indian not the arrow” adage but ignore that the bow needs to be good enough to win. Anything past “good enough” is personal preference limited only by budget. The 457 might not give up much in absolute performance-pure static accuracy-but I bet it’s a lot nicer running every course with a heavy gun that has a perfect trigger, ideal weight distribution, and crystal clear glass. Peace of mind is worth the price of admission.

[@LHB33]

GREAT REVIEW! Very well done as always. I really would like to send you a target system that I really think you would love to shoot with .22RF Is there a way to send you a video of the system?

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Shoot me an email to [e-mail]

[@LHB33]

@@PursuitofAccuracy sent

[@TMFShooting]

Great Video 💯 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Thanks brother!

[@kevineaston4206]

Any video on rings and base for Cz 457?

[@dave-kg1ue]

Thanks

[@308guy8]

What state do u live in, and where can I get info on these matches u go to

[@JesseLotspeich]

Rode the elevator in San Antonio with Andre at a wrestle mania when my sons were in JH They couldn't breath and I thought there eyes would fall out of their heads. BTw Hogan body slammed Andre at the end

[@bassfever4234]

Great video thanks 👏

[@richardfisher3656]

Tough to beat a cz!

[@eric12245]

Have you put them on paper as a comparison? I'd like to see that.

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

I dont have tested ammo for the mtr barrel so it would be a very lopsided test currently

[@dcalf1]

good luck finding a cz457 mtr right now, its a unicorn

[@miketokar9010]

The CZ mtr is more like a 900$ rifle , well out of the box

[@brucewayne5672]

The law of diminishing returns

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Yes sir, exactly

[@mitchmanning1910]

I have the CZ same as in the video. What comb riser is on the gun?

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Victor titan cheek rest

[@jefflayton5889]

Love the cz, but cz hates lefty’s. Currently running a b14r but a vudoo is definitely in me and my wife’s future, however she gets hers first lol.

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Haha smart move

[@Tommy.308]

I have just bought a Cz 457 varmint left handed. Had the 455 in right hand before.

[@bluewater454]

Yah, you put the same thousand dollar scope on and the right ammo through that 457 and I’ll bet there wouldn’t be a lick of difference between the two

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Theres definitely a difference. The cz is really good, the vudoo has an edge for sure

[@rekcahdab]

What’s a good replacement for the cz. Looks like they don’t make it anymore.

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

The 457's are all good. Get the one you like the best thats available

[@buncha5651]

My money's on the CZ.😊

[@outboardfun3353]

Has the CZ 457 action bedded?

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

I believe i did bed the mtr stock

[@robertbernard651]

I thought this might have been a competition with high calibers like 300 win mag

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Nope, good ole 22’s

[@timothytrexler1896]

Why replace a voodoo barrel

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Factory barrel shot good but it was an 18" mtu contour so it was too light to balance the gun well

[@buncha5651]

Not a fair comparison as scopes were not the same.

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

The idea of the video is its not a fair comparison. Its budget vs all out

[@buncha5651]

​@@PursuitofAccuracy Regardless it puts the CZ at a disadvantage.

[@GummeeH3]

Next time: upgraded 457 vs Vudoo

[@jeffbeard3613]

What scope on cz

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Bushnell match pro ed

[@yalieangami6233]

😘💕👍👍

[@Jgorelj]

Head shot??

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Inadvertantly lol

[@joshp9797]

No one sells more 457’s than Josh. My “custom rig” is a 457 action, and I can almost guarantee it’s as accurate as the vudoos on the range and it never fails to feed when it counts. 😉

[@ShellShockAir]

This hobby costs a lot more than drugs and is also addictive😂

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Youre not wrong 😂

[@elchacon6304]

CZ 7, Vuddo 8? I'd blame it on the shooter, not the rifle, dude. 🤣

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

@@elchacon6304 that's always a possibility lol

[@lohikarhu734]

Kind of bothers me that you rest your left hand on the scope all the time...when shooting for targets not much bigger than the bullet, any kind of mechanical, even thermal, change in the scope tube...

[@ProjectArms4719]

I noticed a few guys on you tube doing the same thing, not sure if it’s the norm or what

[@michaelhirst5344]

I guess if you are a professional shooter then yea a $5,000 rifle. The $5,000 rifle probable will not help me. I shoot a RPR with the Bushnell ED scope. I still consider myself a beginner. I shoot NRL22 for the last 10 months.

[@careycustomrifle]

Supposedly the best of the rimfire rifles against a factory rifle with a lesser scope? You proved once again the voodoo is not worth the price. Too bad voodoo is the only simi custom made match rifle we have to choose from! The vodo is only marginally more accurate than the CZ at best. Rifle competition is not unlike most other competition in that money won't buy you a win.

[@gixxerjunky]

Vudoo is absolutely worth the price once you use one. The mags, the feel of the action, being able to copy your match rifle. CZ’s are nice and to get in “the game” they are great but they are not in the same category. There is more to a rifle besides accuracy. Savages are accurate but they are absolute trash behind that.

[@lesranger4308]

$3500.00 will buy plenty of ammo. Better optics on the CZ there is not enough difference to buy the Vudoo.

[@realtruth4259]

GOTTA UNDERSTAND U CANT BUY SUPREME ACCURACY..... IF YOUR SKILL SET IS ONE CENT ACCURACY AND YOU SPEND TEN THOUSAND ON UR SET UP YOUR ACCURACY IS STILL GOING TO BE WORTH 10 CENTS.... YOU CANT BUY GREAT ACCURACY 🤔🤔

[@eric12245]

No need to yell.

[@lewisrice3741]

I don't know how much money every one else has in their cz but i have a lot in mine zeiss scope modacam barrel timmney trigger 419 rail. I bet i could give that poo poo a run for the money. Not much better equipment anyone could put on a rifle than what i have on mine. Beagleman

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

@@lewisrice3741 go to any prs or nrl22 match and you will have lots of custom cz’s and vudoos to shoot against

[@tw1st3dw1ll7]

See you havent dried out yet either.

[@PursuitofAccuracy]

Its probably here for the year i imagine

[@tw1st3dw1ll7]

@@PursuitofAccuracy I will check tomorrow, but I where my shooting table is should be dry again.

[@Whispertactical]

I have subbed to your channel 3 times now…it’s really annoying to wanna see what you do and I always realize you’ve put out 4 videos and I’ve not seen any of them….damn liberal KZbin people

[@nerome619]

I'd be much more interested in a shooting class that equate to field accuracy shooting - a 5 mile walked course with 60% of the shots not rested and with differing elevations and ranges. The voodoo would be horrible in a practical setting.

[@joed3264]

A friend owns two Vudoos. One with the Ace barrel. Other with a Bartlein. His 457 Lilja out groups both. My Bergara out groups both of his Vudoos. Heck, I have won two out of the last three matches shooting a 10/22 with a 24" Green Mountain barrel in a Titan stock. The Vudoo, Rim-X and Anschutz shooters don't like me. Vudoo = overpriced rifle.

[@jdodd06]

There it is... No matter what video it is the same commentary inevitably pops up. "My (good enough) rifle outshoots every vudoo west of the Mississippi. I've won (insert arbitrary number) matches with bla bla bla and some golden bullets." Whats your PRS number top shot? 😂

[@joed3264]

@@jdodd06 I don't shoot PRS. No match at our range. We have a 22 Sniper Match. Steel targets from 50-200 yds. 10 targets at each distance. 50 yd is like shooting at your finger. 200 yd is 4"x5". I certainly don't need to impress you. Facts are facts. Vudoos are overpriced rifles. My rifles like Eley SABRP.

[@jdodd06]

@@joed3264 This reminds me of someone who was very vocal about "vudoos are overpriced" on the rimfire boards and started touting their custom 10/22. It turned into a bashing thread when Mike Bush from Vudoo hopped on and offered to fly out to the guy and shoot head to head at his range to demonstrate the value voodoo brings. The guy backed down rather quickly. Simply saying Vudoos are overpriced is like saying a Nissan GTR is just over priced because my Altima is good enough. When it comes to competition you are limited with CZ's rather it be trigger choices, mag options, chassis etc. compared to a 700 pattern action like a Vudoo. Vudoo dominates a very specific market in the rimfire world being a semi custom factory rifle. You can go production route (like CZ 457) or full custom (rim X etc.) but they are different spaces within the same market. CZ could greatly improve their offerings to compete in the space even with simple changes to barrel profile and length but they seem content with where they are at. You don't happen to own a Savage centerfire do you? I find a similar sentiment with that brand. Savages can be very accurate but have several limitations in heavy/competition use which is why they have near zero representation in the PRS space.

[@joed3264]

@@jdodd06 I would love for him to fly me and my Bergara out so he can show me that his Vudoo is so much better. One caveat. I get to pick which Vudoo he shoots. CZ needs a 24" heavy profile barrel. I had an ATOne with the 24" barrel. It is way too small in diameter - .730". The Varmint is .865". I stuck my Varmint in a CZ chassis and added a Harrells tuner.

[@Long-gray-line]

Thanks Josh. I liked the comment made by @livinginswva1965 Nothing like great glass !!! Best to the family Chief