#16 Ramayana after Buddha! Stupidity/conspiracy of western Indologists and their lackeys in India?

Ramayana after Buddha! Stupidity or conspiracy of western Indologists and their lackeys in India?
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श्रद्धा and प्रज्ञा With Nilesh Oak: Part 16
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Subjects covered: Bhagavad Gita, Ayurveda, Darshana-Shastra, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Veda, Upanishad, Vedanga, Bharatiya Jyotish shastra

[@amar6847]

99.99% of the people don't mind lengthy videos when it's educational and informative such as yours .Please ignore people who complain of the length of your video...People who want shorter videos have access to YT shorts

[@sunilapte8386]

Very true Amarji

[@sampary3749]

I actually prefer informative lengthy videos.

[@HarshadKocharekar]

नमस्कार! तुमची “खाशीं जिरवण्याची” पद्धत जबरदस्त आहे.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🙏🏽🤗

[@ShripadLikhite]

Don’t worry about length of the episodes ! We want to understand the subject under consideration better. It enhances our knowledge.

[@NileshOak]

Thank you.

[@tresajessygeorge210]

THANK YOU... DR. NILESH OAKJI...!!!

[@sportsupdate100]

Namaste, Sir🙏. Could you please make a video regarding the creation of DWARKA, it's location & expansion? Also, could you please explain whether harappan civilization, Dwarka and Atlantis related to each other? I'm literally more curious in the existence and the city of Dwarka as there are less video based on Dwarka.🙏🙏

[@NileshOak]

Thank you. I will make videos on the creation of Dwarka as more information becomes available. For now, watch my videos about Dwarka and the destruction of Dwarka due to flooding in 5525 BCE, i.e. 36 years after the Mahabharata war.

[@yashpalsharma1974]

Nilesh Oak Sir - I am in full agreement on the scientific rigour with which you approach the study of our ancient texts. I sometimes tend to disagree with your Hindutva views, but even in that I look upto your example of seeking and making efforts to learn and form an independent opinion. 👍

[@NileshOak]

Thank you. There are Indic Knowledge systems. Notice the plural. And this means they differ in their approach ..as a seeker. What is common to all genuine seekers and system is the following: 1. Endurance in conduct (tapobalam hi sadhanam) 2. Freedom of thought (vichar swatantrya) 3. Conviction in absolute moral values ( Satya, asteya, ahimnsa, a-kama, a-krodha, a-lobha, etc) Once these 3 conditions and convictions are in place, one may wander via tana-mana-buddhi, fearlessly and humbly, everywhere and anywhere, or nowhere. Hope this helps.

[@yashpalsharma1974]

@@NileshOak it sure helps. You have proven my point that I look up to you for the cool intellect with which you approach. 🙏

[@iammusic8287]

🙏 Thankyou sir! for all possible explanations, and specially for making us aware of reserch processes.

[@NileshOak]

It's my pleasure

[@iammusic8287]

@@NileshOak 🙏

[@punith.dg.619]

Buddhism is an offshoot of Sanatana Dharma. There are two Buddhas. One is fake Pali speaking pig eating, born in Lumbini Nepal as son of Shuddhodhana and Maya. And other one is born India, was an vegetarian, born to parents Anjana and Hemajit, was a Hindu.

[@extemporaneous4545]

Thanks for letting me know. I never knew this. I went away and googled it and I see that it is true.

[@extemporaneous4545]

@@AmitKumar-qz2us Your comment didn't post, dude. Maybe it's because you used the words "wh___ inv____". You stated important facts which more people should know.

[@LT-yk7xy]

Buddha is one who is enlightened, like Krishna, Gautama Siddharta, Mahaveer Jain, ..etc.. it’s an adjective

[@NileshOak]

Correct. Also, look for multiple translations to nuanced translations of the word 'Buddh' from this verse.

[@LT-yk7xy]

@@AmitKumar-qz2us u don’t need to be offended with Budha.. Budha was a Real Sanatani.. meditation nothing but Dhyana Tapsya..ppl always divide.. even real Sanatanism is nothing but living enlightened life..u can’t hate buddha..

[@LT-yk7xy]

@@AmitKumar-qz2us hmm.. we will read such long msgs man.. be civil

[@LT-yk7xy]

@@AmitKumar-qz2us why do mix what Budha said vs how society progressed ? A Buddha lives out of compassion. Nations means earth is not one, Buddha says earth is one family. U may derive how society progressed, but freedom is the only ground for Budhas to happen.

[@blackpole5936]

Nilesh ji one more that Ramayana referred in Mahabharata, & Ramayan, Mahabharata referred in Tathagat Buddha's literature. Eg. When Buddha didn't convinced to come back home the Shakya mahamantri gave him examples of Ram, Pandu where they came back from Vanvas after perticular time then why not you(Tathagat) coming back.

[@SJ-zo3lz]

Wow! A very strong evidence!!

[@NileshOak]

Thanks. Do quote the specific references if you have them available. They will be useful.

[@jaishriram2997]

reference Please

[@skyepage6237]

I don't understand how gautam budha was enlighted. He failed in his way.

[@ashokkohli1675]

Nilesh ji Please adhere to your own timeline for communicating an erudite analysis on the subject. Taking a cue from you , it does not matter whether the viewers have the patience and more importantly, respect for the trouble you must have taken to share the same with us . We are grateful for your endeavour, Please !

[@NileshOak]

Thank you.

[@vishnuvardhan7803]

@@NileshOak Namaste Nilesh ji, I'm glad to reveal that available independent, objectively testible evidences related to Siddharth Gautama/ Gautama Buddha has framed him in time period between 3600-3100 BCE. We're searching for more independent & objectively testible evidence aslike in Ramayana & Mahabharat. Bless us to reach the true conclusion. 🙏🙏

[@NileshOak]

@@vishnuvardhan7803 All the best.

[@vishnuvardhan7803]

@@NileshOak 🙏🙏

[@dontTalkBullshit]

​@@vishnuvardhan7803 what are the proofs that buddha is more than 3000 bce old

[@MadhavDhruve]

Sir, there are so many adulteration in Ramayana and Mahabharata. Did you consider this during your research ? I mean if any of your geometric references i are adulterated, than your 5561bc and 12209bc changed.

[@NileshOak]

Thank you. I consider all types of errors. You must read (and re-read) my books in a hurry. Re-readings are required for full comprehension.

[@extemporaneous4545]

The planet Mercury is also referred to as Buddha. Were they referencing the planet Mercury?

[@NileshOak]

Good try! No.

[@trueobc5727]

I read some स्वामीजी on this and in summary, i understand is All the 28 बुद्ध came after Mahabhar. 1st one ब्राह्मण बुद्ध in kitak प्रदेश was after 1000 years of Maharashtra तथागत बुद्ध, also mean, So called intellectual

[@mindreader9874]

Thank you Nilesh ji for this video !

[@paramahansastudio1682]

The Oldest Parts of the Ramayan are in the Maha Vishnu Purana. It’s Understood that Valmiki is a Later telling . However it’s Not from After Buddha and Buddha is essentially Mercury in these texts as they are describing Time by Avatars. Buddha was there long before he walked the Earth. Nop One really understands what is being written aboput because they lack the Perspective of Ancient Sages.

[@NileshOak]

1. Valmiki as later telling ....understood according to who?

[@paramahansastudio1682]

@@NileshOak I’ll have to get my notes out . been two years since I studied it. But as i recall the oldest version of the Ramayana is in the Maha Vishnu Purana.Whose preservation is noted to Parashara. Then Handed down to Veda Vyasa.( Again have to refer to my notes for references . Over 3000 books here) Which is on my shelf . along with the seven (?)Volume set of Valmiki’s Ramayana. Give me a few days and i’ll go through my references.

[@paramahansastudio1682]

Probably better to do this through email for the sake of screen shots and pictures of references.

[@NileshOak]

@@paramahansastudio1682 👍🙏

[@NileshOak]

@@paramahansastudio1682 [e-mail]

[@upresins]

Could it be a synonym for 'intellectual'

[@amrendrasingh4886]

👍👍👍🙏

[@n.s.raghuvanshi3470]

Excellent analysis, thanks

[@gargsamyt]

Actually, you are the only one to provide vast scientific evidence to support your dating of the Rm & Mbh. You have set the bar so high that it has become impossible for others to meet. After Tenzing Norkay breached the Mt. Everest peak in 1953, more than 11,350 others have reached the peak. But, the bar you have set is so high that I don't think anyone can even dream of reaching that in the forseeable future. You have made it all but impossible for people to prove the existence of Gautam Buddha in the Mbh, let alone Rm!

[@NileshOak]

Thank you. _/\_

[@srijeshnair3849]

Hi, i have lots of questions in ramayan and Mahabharata how to find correct answer

[@NileshOak]

Read them and read my book on them.

[@srijeshnair3849]

@@NileshOak the problem are with translation just like i came to your channel sir the question on bhudha in ramayan....is there real script available anywhere

[@srijeshnair3849]

@@NileshOak thank you for revert

[@NileshOak]

@@srijeshnair3849 there is no Gautam Buddha or Shakyamuni Buddha in Valmiki Ramayana. But idiot researchers and idiot readers are in plenty.

[@bhagwanmishra7243]

No no sir during the period of conflicts all old literatures were manipulated by professional Brahmin in criticism of Buddhism similarly in the time of emperor Akbar the age of Seeta Ji was written as six years for matching it with Mohammad and Ayesha. Thanks

[@purvanchalAshutosh]

नमस्कार...

[@lkshpnd69]

Isn't Somasya-Putra OR Shasi-Putra means Moon's Son instead of Mercury, might you miss speak in flow..

[@KasDlonewolf]

Mercury is known as the prince. He is the son of Soma, the Moon Deva.

[@karma.8855]

In Bhawisya puranas there is clearly mentioned about Modi , Ambedkar and next PM Kejriwal also .

[@nirmalchandrabiswas6403]

Really

[@karma.8855]

@@nirmalchandrabiswas6403 could be

[@sadhakadhristi3754]

Who are बौद्ध? Can we actually see this as a description of philosophers who are using बुद्धि for making their assertions? बुद्धि comes under the domain of प्रकृति while आत्मा is the Truth beyond बुद्धि. बौद्ध therefore is probably a reference to लौकिक philosophers who do not have access to the परा state of being. Of course, we also know that the one named as बुद्ध in the दशावतार is not the same as गौतम बुद्ध and another person altogether. And this may be reference to the specific बुद्ध who is named part of the दशावतार.

[@sadhakadhristi3754]

Sorry - बुद्ध from the दशावतार list comes after श्रीराम and cannot obviously be named within the रामायण

[@KasDlonewolf]

Wonderful theory that बौद्ध could be related to one being overly dependent on बुद्धि which is ultimately limited, thank you.

[@milindmilionsun9570]

Debate on science journey channel.

[@karma.8855]

In valmiki ramayana there is clearly used Buddha and Boudharmluambi. So what conclusion comes out from these words.

[@nirmalchandrabiswas6403]

Reference with kanda, sarga and shlok number

[@karma.8855]

@@nirmalchandrabiswas6403 You are unknown, every body know this.

[@nirmalchandrabiswas6403]

@@karma.8855 then kindly quote the kand, sarga and shloke number when you know that, let me also see from Valmiki Ramayan itself

[@diptikanttripathy5583]

Kindly mention the kanda, sarga and shloka number please.

[@karma.8855]

@@diptikanttripathy5583 I think you have not read Valmiki ramayana.

[@akshaytavarej2213]

Valmiki Ramayan is written in Sanskrit & devnagari lipi so it's not much older.

[@VIJENDRAKUMAR-ur1fd]

The answer is short and simple in Valmiki Ramayana, the Buddha whom Ram is insulting and talking about is Asoka's Buddha whom the Brahmans destroyed in India.

[@KasDlonewolf]

Lol 😂 you didn't even watch the video, murgh! Kuch bhi bak Raha hai...

[@alberttanner408]

He does not give full explanation he stops and starts. Scared that he might be controversial.

[@KasDlonewolf]

Yes, Albert Tanner, who so obviously bears a fake name. Such cowardice. 😂😂😂

[@uniqguy111]

So it is again proved that they stoop to so low level as they face stiff competition from Budhhism /Jainism. So the Ramayan/MBH dates are also back dated to astronomical events happened long ago to show one is older than other.

[@KasDlonewolf]

Lol 😂 stiff competition, is it? Jains and Buddhists might be Hinduphobes, as you have demonstrated but our Dharma is Sanatan, so we face no competition, not now or ever. Please clean your Self, I will pray for you, you poor soul.

[@deathray8978]

Dimag se paidal vo 12000 BCE me nahi, buddhism ke aane ke baad jab brahmano ko insecurity feel hui to unhone ye sab likha.

[@LOLfestival]

@Agnosticintrovert How can he? He is describing himself at the beginning of his genius question.LOL.

[@deathray8978]

@@LOLfestival daarhi badhaane se koi intellectual nahi ho jata. 2 saal se UPSC ki tayaari kar raha hu. Ja ke history utha ke dekh lo evidence mil jayega

[@deathray8978]

@Agnosticintrovert Ja ke history books utha ke dekh lena mil jayega evidence. History book ka matlab class 6th ki history book se nahi hai mera.

[@blackpole5936]

@@deathray8978 UPSC ki tayari kr rha hai to historian ban gaya kya???😂😂😂 First there is celestial proofs in Ramayana that made him before 7000BC. Not after that Second there is mentions of Rama And Pandu raja from Mahabharat in Buddha's life literature. Third the Birth of Siddharth Buddha by celestial proof is not after 1800BC so. Fourth many of Jain tirthankars and Siddharth Gautam had proud that they were from Ikshvaku dynasty from where Lord Ram came. Fifth if there are no Vishnu avataras before Buddha then how he denied that he is or will not be Vishnu Avatar?

[@diptikanttripathy5583]

Don't argue with him, one day he will be (unfortunately) an IAS officer and will propagate his wisdom gathered during his preparation.

[@45to36]

explain in hindi

[@AnandKumar-ty9qs]

your explanation is ridiculous....ramayana was written after Buddh...during GUPTA era....their grudge against buddhism was quite evident.........TATHAGAT word came into existence only during Buddha .......budhha was called...tathagat,the enlightened one