(1615) Yale Push Core Padlock

[@Pyrolock]

HISTORICAL EVOLUTION HERE -- What you have is the predecessor to ALL modern pin tumbler locks that we know today. This lock is the next logical step from the very first invention of the pin tumbler Padlock by Linus Yale Sr. in 1857, US Patent # 18,169 known as the "Slider", or what is the "Holy Grail" Mother of all pin tumbler locks. This lock uses the pins themselves to hold the shackle in place. When the pins are set at the shearline (with the correct key) the shackle can "slide" upward and free the shackle to rotate and open the padlock. Notice the key is FLAT, so the next step in evolution was to add broaching to the keyway with matching profiles on the sides of the keys, thus expanding the number of possible keys that would open the lock. Yale made (and was copied by many others) padlocks of this exact same type lock with "modern" keys that have profiles on the sides of the keys. Then next logical step by Yale was to disconnect the core from the shackle and just rotate the core to engage a mechanism that would then unlock the shackle. Thus we have arrived at the modern pin tumbler lock through a series of inventions that have evolved to give us the pin tumbler lock that we know and love today.

[@derekbroestler7687]

Makes perfect sense considering Yale's design was claimed to be based on the Egyptian door lock.

[@RPRosen-ki2fk]

Ken Nixon Comments like yours, are one of the GREAT reason, I take the time to read them. Thank You.

[@Timbo63a]

I've keyed up several of those. They usually have spools and serrated pins (you should pull this one apart!). Twist the cap on the open side off using an Allen wrench (on some models) or plastic tipped plyers (on round ones) or an EZ out (worst case). That releases the spring that holds it together. Use a standard follower to pull the plug out and you can dump the pins. Just file the blank and you have it a classic looking (working!) lock. I bet most people in the gym won't know how to open it!

[@bosnianbill]

I've already given the lock away but will email the new owner and let him know how to re-key and insert some alien tech. Thanks for letting me know! Now I can't wait for ANOTHER one to show up to try it out.

[@RPRosen-ki2fk]

Timbo63, are there any vids on YT of these being torn down or rekeyed?

[@seraphikimercury4921]

Mr. Bill, You taught me the beautiful art and hobby of lock picking. You made me a locksmith. I wish you all the best wishes in retirement. You taught me a trade when I was going to be homeless. Thank you for all your amazing work.

[@joshuadietzman3196]

I picked up a similar Yale at a yard sale a month ago. Took me a few minutes to figure is out as well. I found a blank key on eBay and filed it. This is one of my favorite locks.

[@Jake1973_]

I bought one of these at a garage sale, with key, for $2. Guy said it was seized and was at least a nice paperweight. Gave him $2, then showed him how it works.."Oooh" 😆

[@aserta]

That's just mean. :))

[@Jake1973_]

@@aserta maybe a little 😁

[@penfold7800]

Did you tell him the actual collectable value of it (with original key, around $35!)

[@Jake1973_]

@@penfold7800 no, I took the deal and walked. I ended up gifting it to Tallan Pick, a friend with an excellent channel.

[@ruebenmikoch]

I hope you enjoy your retirement. Thank you so much for everything you put on the internet for all of us. I learned so much from you I actually became a locksmith. Your videos were all great thank you so much.

[@CuriousFocker]

The easier way to pick it is to push a shim over the core to separate the key pins from the driver pins as you pick it. Quicker and easier. There is a book you can buy "The Padlock Reference Handbook - Pin Tumbler Push Key Locks" by Neil Pylant, that gives an excellent history of this type of padlock. Your lock was patented in 1890, so it's probably around that date or slightly later.

[@daledugstad8221]

thank you the info about the padlock book

[@stevenlowel486]

I have lots of very old padlocks and Im pretty sure I've got that particular padlock(without the key of course). As always I learn something new from you whenever I watch your videos. I really appreciate your talent and all the work and thought you put in your videos. Hope your holidays are filled with happiness and joy!

[@bradw0535]

Reminds me of a sign hanging up in our shop at work.. "Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth". Cool old lock, thanks Bill!

[@penfold7800]

I saw a toilet once where I worked (an engineering factory) where you had to turn the flush handle upwards to flush it. (Cos there wasn't enough space in the cubicle to fit it the right way round) You'd be surprised how many engineers got confused by it.

[@roysammons2445]

"Well i'll be".... It goes in and doesn't twist to tension. Interesting way to open a lock. Nice job Bill.

[@magiclocks9206]

When I was a kid teaching myself to pick locks I got a lock of this style and of course it had no key. I spent hours using turning tension before I noticed the core was sinking into the lock sometimes. Once I figured it out I found it easy to pick and was soon able to impression a key.

[@markcloudchaser874]

Never seen a lock like this before Good Job Bill 👍I learned something new. Always Good.

[@WilliamMancel]

Those old Yale Push key padlocks can be core shimmed from the front to open, if they won't pick open. Those were made in the early 1900's. My 1927 Yale catalog showed them still being manufactured back then. They called that the "Ironsides" model.

[@aserta]

Made in Canada. I wonder if they make anything in Canada these days...

[@macnutz4206]

@@aserta Sparrows tools.

[@rogersmith9808]

@@aserta Socialists ;^)

[@daveh7720]

@@aserta Canadian girlfriends and Crown Royal.

[@ujaku_]

Thank you for the insight!

[@AlbertLebel]

Nice, I have one of these with a working key. It's really cool Also, you said this a while back and it saved me from a LOT of pain, "if what your doing is not working, try something different". Words to live by. Thank you for that

[@iggymac3473]

Love them old pushlock locks thanks bill

[@RPRosen-ki2fk]

Awesome vid Bill! 1- a UNIQUE lock, and 2- a GREAT lesson. Don't get trapped thinking ... inside the box.

[@bill_s28]

Thanks for this, Bill. I have a similar lock, somewhat smaller, brass with Yale on one side and U.S.N. on the other. No rotation at all, but the core does move in and out with the shackle. So I knew the core wasn't seized, but I'm not sure I'd have ever thought to tension it by pulling on the shackle. And...OPEN! Thanks again, Bill.

[@Itsa_Mea]

Thanks for this. I just got the older version of this yesterday and figured out how to tension it last night but I needed confirmation. Of course you came through. My lock has the tricircles on one side that supposedly matches the head of the key shape. I should have it open today!

[@jeffmoss26]

love these old locks!

[@QlueDuPlessis]

For a second there I heard AvE say, "Focus you f$%&!"

[@michaelkelly7859]

Thanks Bill! I have a lock that I used on my duffle bag when I was traveling in the Army. I lost the key a long time ago but still have the bag and the lock. I am still learning this new art. But you just gave me a Eureka moment for the first lock in my naughty bucket. Thanks for the eye opener!

[@mylennyuym]

I worked for NYC Railroad, in the Signal dept.They used a smaller version, the body was about 1 1/2" square with a steel shackle. These were used in Signal control towers to secure access to the interlocking machines that had control levers for switches and signals. They were used more as a tamper seal, that only authorized Signalmen had keys to .

[@hi-techredneck3318]

Interesting you mention R/R. I have one of these locks we found on a chest at my Grandparents farm with early 1900's documents locked in it. Pa also worked for the R/R in his early days. Also found several R/R items from back then. Might just explained some historical details on this particular lock. Thanks

[@mylennyuym]

@@hi-techredneck3318 Treasures from the past, your welcome.

[@alger8181]

Just got one of these about three days ago. Tried the tension thing, left, right, nothing, hrmmm... Then, this morning i remembered this video. A couple of minutes later, open! Thanks, man! Pretty sure it has serrated pins in.

[@Kappietan]

That's a beautiful lock Bill. Thanks for the video.

[@Robert-ko6wr]

Enjoyed this video very much! Also enjoy listening to you plead with the focusing mechanism almost every video. This pleading with the camera and the waiting music have become quintessential Bosnianbillisims to me. Both make me smile. Wouldn't be a Bosnianbill video without at least one. Cheers!

[@hiltihome]

A WERA screwdriver as tensioner. Love it, best screw drivers.Made in Germany..

[@longjohn439]

I am just starting to collect old locks. This lock is my first. I used a shim to open it and was successful making a key. I wish I had seen this video before I started,,,, LOL

[@derekbroestler7687]

I haven't even THOUGHT about one of those in years... lol.... Thank you for the memories!!!! Had one come into the shop I started in on a customer's grandfather's WW1 issue footlocker... (The lock or hasp didn't seem to ever be GI, just put on after)... Customer had inherited the footlocker and basically said they didn't care how long it took us, as long as we didn't damage anything. It had the issue lock which turned out to be an Eagle (what we called) "spring lever" trunk lock... It's basically two to five spring tensioned "levers" that all have to be moved at once before the actuator becomes engaged to open the lock... Kinda like a precursor to a disk detainer, but they ALL have to be moved at once as far as any of us know.... NASTY... Never picked one, never heard of one being picked... Would love to see you do one because I'm befuddled myself... They can be impressioned fairly easily, but THAT relies on having a stock of blanks... They go for $10-$30 each on fleabay, so good luck... Thankfully the lock was marked with a key code and after an hour or so searching through a box of random cut Eagle keys, we had the right old key in stock. (one of the benefits of coming up in a shop that's been around more than a century a LOT of "crap" in the back)... So, the issue lock was good and we even had a key... Interesting note, some of those old Eagles only had about 50 different keys for their entire line... It depended year to year... The Yale (this lock) confused everyone.... We all did the same thing your buddy did, tried to tension it... We were trying to figure it out for a couple days... Apparently, (I wasn't there I was off repinning a bunch of of about 20 Kwiksets...... the downside of working in such a shop, a lot of very boring work you really wish you could speak your mind about... you just do what you're told).... One of the older guys thought it might be able to be rapped open and tried it, and THAT'S when he noticed to core going back and forth in the lock body... Thankfully he realized it before doing damage and stopped... Then the old boss remembered them and said they didn't turn, you had to pull the shackle to pick them... One of the other guys back raked it open at that point, so when I got back it was already open, and the boss wouldn't let me or anyone else after play with the lock because he was afraid it would get damaged... Good memories, and now I have so looking to do into the patent...

[@justinfernandez1156]

You should try and pick the master lock 517 D adjustable shackle padlock, its got an interesting core in it that may surprise you when you compare it to the normal master 4 pin marshmallow core. We use it to lock up our fence gate, and I'm interested to see how much protection it really provides! (Though knowing it is a master, its on the inside of the fence just to be safe)

[@anotheruser9876]

That 'buddy' wasn't LPL, right? Right?!

[@gordonwiessner6327]

Nice lock. 1920's lock with better tech then some of today's locks.

[@Lockpicker1973]

That's a really cool old lock. I had not seen that before. Interesting design

[@thumperlockpicking9269]

Well done Mr.Bill

[@David_11111]

very cool lock, all I know about that lock is I want one :)

[@tonie.3447]

Great advice Bill. Thanks for your help.

[@pestilentz6106]

That is the model 805 and from 1929 back it had the Yale logo on one side and a trefoil logo on the other side(the trefoil was the shape of the bow on the key). It has been speculated that Yale changed over all of their lock logos to the word Yale on both sides due to the 1929 stock market crash. It was also less expensive to have the new logo.

[@danromo635]

Amazing, Your lock picking skills are invaluable, however, your expertise and experience are priceless! Great video

[@__hetz]

"Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results." - Unknown but oft misattributed to Einstein

[@stevenlowel486]

I believe that saying is found in old Alcoholics Anonymous literature

[@edrooney1967]

Just a sidenote: In modern pop culture, or gaming culture to be specific, it was made popular (again) by Vaas Montenegro, one of the bad guys in the first person shooter Far Cry 3. His famous "Insanity Monologue" was brilliantly voiceacted by Michael Mando (also known for his work in Better Call Saul).

[@perrylc8812]

At first reading I thought you said Epstein.

[@TomQuiNEstPasLa]

If I misattribute this quote to Einstein again, I'm sure it will be true this time.

[@Bialy_1]

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."

[@benschmidt9532]

I have this exact lock!

[@daledugstad8221]

Well thank you for the info on this lock Mr. Bosnianbill! I think I have one so I will have to try this out!

[@petervanderwaart1138]

Yankee ingenuity from Yale & Towne.

[@johncage3025]

I should’ve commented before watching the video, good morning Bill!

[@pyratemage]

Good morning, young man. Very interesting lock. Well done!

[@TheOlsonOutfit]

This concept applies to a lot more than locks :)

[@nopegaming2117]

Finnaly a video of this I have that lock

[@PDeRop]

Throws me back to video 641 :)

[@AThreeDogNight]

Still a very nice Yale & nicely done.

[@BeanoTheElder]

Nice screwdriver.

[@BeefyPrepperthegolddigger]

Cool lock!!

[@alger8181]

Very cool lock, very good advice.

[@MrMannakin]

Very cool lock.

[@williamlee1429]

That lock is very very cool! I'm going to have to keep an eye out for one of those! Thanks

[@Westhelockpicker]

Good luck bud! It took me years to find one with a working key. I have another one without a key and even though there easy to pick I'd like to get a key made for it

[@loufaiella3354]

I have one very similar (with a key). Except....mine has "USN" on the back, and Yale on the front. It may have been a navy issue long ago.

[@scottystrickland5206]

Yale 805 push key padlock love you're channel

[@OneOfDisease]

shocked you didn't rake her open

[@keithpeverley3869]

Name your buddy. Is it Lock Picking Lawyer?

[@TeamRosenbusken]

WoW - supercool lock-thank you - thank you

[@waddac2]

Nice again Bill. Thought I had one of those but do not.

[@LmgWarThunder]

I got a cheap lock from the 99cent store that works like this. Being a novice I thought it was unpickable.

[@Robert-ko6wr]

Every lock is unpickable till you pick it twice ... first time is luck, second time is skill. Enjoy!

[@DonzLockz]

That's one huge ass tensioner!🤤🤘

[@manuhonkanen2111]

Hi! Nice Wera screwdriwer there! And the lock is interesting And as always, have a good day!

[@TedCornish]

Why you haven't got a million subs amazes me

[@nathank4708]

I have 6 of them

[@Drottninggatan2017]

Hopefully you two can remain friends even after this.

[@davidschaer8974]

Interesting! Would it be possible to open this lock by inserting a shim in between the core and the body, and manipulate the pins as you slide it in?

[@Pyrolock]

Yes

[@lmars5933]

😎Absolutely great video Bill well explained thank you buddy .😎

[@budward7846]

Given the mechanism, how would you impression the lock to produce a working key?

[@bosnianbill]

Bud, put a little thought into it and I think you'll be able to answer your own question. Remember, to impression a key you must bind the pins. In a "normal" lock we accomplish that by twisting the key back and forth. How would we do that with THIS lock? And before you jump to the wrong conclusion.... yes, it IS possible.

[@davidpenfold]

That's an interesting mechanism, but not very secure once you know how. Thanks!

[@querry43]

Can you impression this sort of lock?

[@Richard.212]

just when you think you have everything figured out they throw you a curve ball

[@motizer]

So, if you had the correct key, you insert it and push?

[@Phred_Phlintstoner]

So do you pick challenge locks at all anymore? Or just stock locks? I miss the beautifully designed locks that used to be the main thing you did...

[@bosnianbill]

Phred, No, I stopped the challenge lock thing almost a year ago and posted my explanation on social media, the website and YT. In case you missed it, here is what I posted: --------------------------- The "Challenge Lock" series has come to an end. Not only am I out of the "Whipped" PacLocks, but there were many other things that I took into consideration. 1. Cost. Every day I was receiving between 5-10 locks from around the world. I had to return most of them to the owner, which was a SIGNIFICANT expense - always more than $500/month but sometimes approaching $1000. What little I receive in viewer support was quickly consumed in return postage. I was spending several hundred dollars of my own money every month just to return locks. 2. Quality. Some locks were well designed and contained some unique innovations, but they were few and far between. Most "challenge locks" were threaded chambers with serrated pins built on old,beaten up Kwikset cores. The number of trap pins and super springs has continued to increase as copycats realized this might be a way to get a "Whipped" PacLock - meaning I was breaking and bending more expensive picks. I found this very discouraging. 3. Time. Unpacking, picking, disassembling, repacking, answering emails, etc. Each challenge lock took a lot of time to figure out and then return - even if I did not make a video of it. I was spending most of my time setting up and videoing locks that turned out to be copycats of other people's ideas - meaning I could not post the video for fear of viewers saying "WHAT? Another Kwikset with threaded chambers?" 4. Viewer Interest. My goal with LockLab was to remain "New Picker Friendly" and attract new members to LockSport, but LockLab was quickly becoming the "Challenge Lock Channel", interesting to only a limited number of people with advanced skills. Every time I posted a challenge lock video people complained and unsubscribed to the channel. New pickers were overwhelmed by the complexity of challenge locks and became discouraged. My analytics were very clear on this: If I want to lose subscribers all I needed to do was post a challenge lock video. 5. Channel growth. The LockLab's growth was stagnating and I needed to change something before it was too late. Since I stopped doing challenge locks the number of subscribers has increased, the number of comments increased, "likes" went up, and the channel has grown. So, yes. I stopped making challenge lock videos. It was not an easy decision but I could not afford to continue doing it for all of these reasons. The money saved from NOT returning challenge locks I am now spending on locks - and have been doing so for the past month or two. I cannot tell you how refreshing it is to return to picking real-world locks in a wide variety. It is good for me (mentally), as well as good for LockLab. bill

[@scarz1951]

Well ain't that just special?!? Sure is!

[@Shad0wBoxxer]

That is neet!

[@ThorCW]

How much to mill it open?!!! If I find one would you open for an analysis?

[@hommie789]

Bill, I his appears to be a great candidate for a video showing how to make a key. No core to remove so how do you make this key?

[@penfold7800]

Impressioning.

[@PaulOostindie]

The core can actually be removed. Just need to make a tool to unscrew the cap that the shackle toe fits into. You might be able to do it with the right sized slot screwdriver. I made a custom 4 sided driver for it. Hint, the core is close to the size of a naked AA battery.

[@shrekdonkey9551]

Theres a life lesson in his explanation of how to pick this lock : if you cant get it one way try others till you figure how to unlock

[@nicholasdonnell7445]

if you made this a challenge lock how would you tell if you were in a false set?

[@aserta]

I've never seen that lock, but i would be tipped that something is monkey, if i'd see the key not bottoming out, yet the guard mark is still there. Considering it's Bill's shop, i'd probably think he's messing me tho...

[@bird718]

ancient yale

[@CraftAero]

"Made in Canada"... cool.

[@darcksage1]

is it *BIG BRAIN TIME* ?

[@deluxeloy]

ngl I would have tried putting the key in upside down first

[@ghostedshadow9282]

Morning Bill

[@DanielSchaller]

I have one with the key, what is today's value of the lock?

[@Jake1973_]

Generally available on eBay for $15-$50. Depends on condition and, of course, how badly a collector wants it.

[@DanielSchaller]

@@Jake1973_ Thanks!

[@Westhelockpicker]

I have 2 of those locks but 1 doesn't have a key so I'm going to attempt to make one

[@BeatFiction]

@Bosnianbill i would love see you picking 3 of my 5 training-locks! one is easy (a joke for u), a bike lock. one is lets say normal, a euro-zylinder. the third is a monster (at least to me! never picked it), a padlock.horror keyway 🧟‍♂️‼️ i want to see its gutts! 👨🏻‍🏭 do you send me 3 new, if i send you these ? than i start packaging! thx for your work!

[@Ogrethephreak]

He quit doing challenge locks.

[@eugenevaticinator4540]

Hands age +100

[@dominiquealexander4005]

🥉

[@riduansulaiman90]

Rare

[@LarryBBB]

📹👍

[@BCRBCRBCRBCRBCRBCR]

I think I saw one here: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Lovelocks_on_pont_des_Arts%2C_Paris.jpg

[@davidworsley7969]

Been raiding the archives Bill ??

[@wgm-en2gx]

Don't turn it on.... Take it APART!!! Why didn't you gut it?

[@thebrick1996]

Yut

[@nevilleeggins7721]

Mann xxx

[@jayztoob]

I must be getting old, because I cringed when you first put the key in and twisted. You might have the correct key; put it in and tap the key.

[@bosnianbill]

No, it isn't the right key. Too bad..😟

[@jayztoob]

Push-core locks were fairly common when I was a kid and the first type of lock that I learned to pick.

[@ingle_fusion]

Wow. Please tell me the "TiVault™ - Secure Titanium Storage Cache" isn't a real thing. (Google it.) "Secured by left-handed threads." So, as long as the attacker doesn't have opposable thumbs, you stand a chance??? I hope no one buys these! But, he's gonna fool plenty, I'm sure. *facepalm*

[@BrandonGraham]

Friend on blast. Nobody is safe.

[@spacejaga]

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