17:46 The one exception to this is nether gold. No one seems to realise that if you smelt nether gold ore you get a gold ingot instead of gold nugget. This also works out to be more than using fortune 3 on the same block because you rarely if ever get 9 nuggets per block but will always get that with silk touch and a furnace.
@theboxygenie Жыл бұрын
good tip to know!
@gtasthehunter Жыл бұрын
correct name of this block is "Nether Gold Ore" and also if you get silk touch before fortune it doesn't really matter if you smelt ore like iron or gold ore you'll only get 1 raw ore without fortune which is the same as smelting it., so if have iron ore better to just smelt instead of trying to get 1 raw iron but if have fortune then use best fortune you have. And using Silk Touch saves slots spaces so you can mine for longer
@InitialDreadly Жыл бұрын
@@gtasthehunter If you're going to try and be a smart ass, at least spell the word correctly. I also DID call it "nether gold ore" in the second line (not that it even makes a difference). The comment was exclusively about "nether gold ore" and nothing else because very few people realise that you can even do this.
@remiicatboy Жыл бұрын
@@gtasthehunter the confidently incorrect is leaking out of this comment hard
@shinymainespoon Жыл бұрын
You're half right; Fortune 3 can give a maximum of 24 nuggets from a single nether gold ore block. However, Fortune is a _chance_ , so the average is only 8.8 nuggets per. On a similar note, _mining_ nether gold ore yields 0-1 xp while _smelting_ it is a guaranteed 1 xp. Silk Touch is absolutely the better choice here, but Fortune 3 can work in a pinch.
@thatperson8126 Жыл бұрын
There is no way toycat lost all of his netherite gear in the void intentionally. That deserves a sub
@ItsjustHydra Жыл бұрын
It was a copy of his world
@Rubywing4 Жыл бұрын
Well, he DID say it was a COPY of his let's play world, so it may just be an expendable clone to do everything wrong in to educate us, whilst keeping his original actual let's play world safe and sound. Still deserves a sub for the pain though.
@RosyKitteh Жыл бұрын
10:30 It’s a copy. Trust me, if he really died there, he would’ve made a far larger deal of it than he did 😅
@davemartin6563 Жыл бұрын
He deserves a sub for the top class content, but the copy world option springs to mind 😊
@thatperson8126 Жыл бұрын
@@davemartin6563 oh yeah! I forget about that option
@The.Nasty. Жыл бұрын
A tip for villages you find that you want to save and return to later… Instead of placing lights down everywhere you can just ring the bell in the village, causing all the villagers to rush indoors, and then seal each villager inside the homes using one dirt block in front of the door. Just seems faster and is way safer for your villagers! 🎉
@nba2k15hoodmoments Жыл бұрын
i prefer lighting the houses on fire
@The.Nasty. Жыл бұрын
@ApocalypseOfSpoons hahaha yeah, I usually relocate some of them closer to my base, build them a nicer town, THEN I make the stone wall around them. 😂
@The.Nasty. Жыл бұрын
@@nba2k15hoodmoments that’s very cultured of you
@HansGunterVelesPhilips Жыл бұрын
Baby zombies can get in if you use only 1
@heartsthekitteh6239 Жыл бұрын
I tried this in real life and got charged with entrapment and disturbing the peace. Would not recommend.
@mrdoor12323 Жыл бұрын
The worst thing is when you set your spawn thousands of blocks away and forget to set it back at your base
@Darkboi98105 Жыл бұрын
ikr
@TrialBySquire Жыл бұрын
In addition to the off hand inventory slot, Minecraft needs a "wrist" slot that can take either a clock or compass. When equipped, the clock or compass will display next to the "paper avatar" in the top left corner of the screen. Recovery compass should get a new enchant that allows you to keep it when you die. "Permanence I", maybe.
@timohara7717 Жыл бұрын
Ahh yes these unminecrafty ideas
@shenzixirgs8152 Жыл бұрын
@@timohara7717bruh
@Torpax_ Жыл бұрын
A permanence enchant would be awesome and not lore breaking since there's the curse of vanishing Edit: could balance by not allowing mending with it
@TrialBySquire Жыл бұрын
@@Torpax_ that's a cool thought. I was thinking just for the compass but it's actually a useful alternative to mending. Mending gear used around the base and permanence when adventuring. Even a mix sounds good. A permanence sword and chest could be great if you die in combat. You'd be able to go get your stuff with a little bit of kit already in hand
@Torpax_ Жыл бұрын
@@TrialBySquire even if it could only go on combat and adventure related items, that would be fair!
@goodrabbi7176 Жыл бұрын
Hot Tip: I only put one type of ore in the furnace, and that ore is nether gold ore. Either break it with fortune to get some nuggets(not even remotely enough to make an ingot), or smelt the block for one Ingot every time!
@Abegilr_Dragonrider Жыл бұрын
That is so useful to know. Thank you! I will be doing that in the future.
@musicalfrogman81659 ай бұрын
A related tip is that you can put raw ore blocks in a furnace to get regular iron/gold/copper blocks.
@nerdpopeking Жыл бұрын
#1 - Learned this little Chestnut when I left a shulker box on my end platform to store my gear before falling off the world, then came back to find it gone forever....
@shinymainespoon Жыл бұрын
I did the same. Luckily I managed to save the shulker box by relogging but hoo boy the stress!
@seandun7083 Жыл бұрын
A tree being too close to another is a bedrock exclusive as far as I'm aware. In Java I regularly cut down large amounts of wood by growing a bunch of trees right next to each other. 2x2 Jungle trees are the main exception though since vines will block tree growth. Nether trees are also sort of annoying because while warped and normal wart blocks won't stop growth, they also can't be overwritten by new nether wood meaning you need to manually clear them out before planting another tree there. They also don't burn or despawn unlike other leaf types making them so much more of a pain to farm. Be careful putting haste 2 beacons near geodes since you don't want to accidentally instant mine the budding blocks.
@cornbreadbutcringey5723 Жыл бұрын
i don't play java edition often enough to know how exactly trees work there, but a lot of other people that talk about not putting trees too close to each other do play primarily java. are you perhaps farming oak trees? oak trees specifically can be grown next to each other on (as far as i'm aware) all editions.
@seandun7083 Жыл бұрын
@@cornbreadbutcringey5723 Oak trees, 2x2 spruce trees (not sure about 1x1), acacia, birch and cherry are all perfectly fine. The main reason to not do so would be making sure you get enough saplings back. I can't remember if I've tried dark oak before since the sapling return even with a fortune 3 hoe isn't the best. I assume 1x1 jungle trees work as long as you plant and grow them 1 at a time because 2x2 don't since they have vines. Mangroves are weird since they have a wide base, sometimes delete nearby saplings and can replace vines but yeah they can be grown together. Nether ones can but give less wood for reasons mentioned earlier. So in general planting trees right next to each other in an 8x8 or even 16x16 grid and bonemealing them has been fine.
@cornbreadbutcringey5723 Жыл бұрын
@@seandun7083 huh. okay then.
@Irdanwen Жыл бұрын
I use the clock and compass quite often. Yes, the recipe also shows the time, as does looking at the sky, but at my skeleton farm I just put a clock above the drop chute to know when to keep my village safe. As for the compass, I like to go to some far off coordinates in my Nether, build a portal then trek back home with the compass and see what I come across on the journey. I am three armour trims shy of a full set.
@egglololol Жыл бұрын
same i thought i was the only one
@shenzixirgs8152 Жыл бұрын
Nice trim finding strategy to never get lost
@keydoh4870 Жыл бұрын
I Guess those villagers were not subscribed to toycat and now their houses are on fire... Talking about life ruining mistakes 🤣
@fmpentertainmentmedley3338 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@tctheunbeliever Жыл бұрын
Ah, I knew he was the one doing it!
@CobaltPerseverance154 Жыл бұрын
Don't let the zombies destroy the village, burn it to the ground instead! That's Toycat advise!
@zerik_media Жыл бұрын
There is a small time when you may want to smelt ore blocks, on the skyblock server I play on has an exp system for a lot of different things and smelting is one of them. And doing ore blocks gives way more than anything else. So I set up a cobble generator asap and upgrade it asap to get easy early game money
@MaxLai_0104 Жыл бұрын
We're talking about vanilla Minecraft. You never even told us what server it was.
@timohara7717 Жыл бұрын
That isn't nether gold though what does that have to do with snelting
@zerik_media Жыл бұрын
I'm just pointing out the one niche find for it. And it's called advancius. It's a bedrock and java cross play server. And I didn't add the server name originally because I wasn't trying to plug it. And lots of servers have this exact mechanic. Also, screw it smelt all the silk touched ores just to piss someone off on the internet xD
@MaxLai_0104 Жыл бұрын
@@zerik_media Bedrock and Java compatible servers, known for their impeccable reliability and zero disconnects.
@DavidRomigJr Жыл бұрын
Learned about the obsidian platform the hard way once when placing chests and what not around the edge.
@jaredbarker9515 Жыл бұрын
Slow falling potions are the safest way to avoid fall damage during the Ender Dragon fight.
@YouCuberr Жыл бұрын
Just dont fall off
@MiirioKing Жыл бұрын
A little part of me died when i saw you lose everything to the void. And then i found out it was a copy if the world and everything was fine, but im going to need a while to recover from that. Should have known since you were so calm when you lost everything
@ericthenewguy7 Жыл бұрын
Almost lost my house last night to a firework fire. Good thing I was subscribed to ibxtoycat
@Femyoz Жыл бұрын
Another one is that if you set your spawn point with a bed, make sure the bed has blocks under it, otherwise it will take you back to world spawn when you die.
@redjazzjrSRM Жыл бұрын
5:37 As impossible as it seems I don't hate creepers because they have saved me so many times and from what I remember I have never been killed by one.
@slavking992 Жыл бұрын
You either have the patience of a saint of you are a complete psycopath😂
@StaticOverTheRadio Жыл бұрын
The creeper whisperer
@redjazzjrSRM Жыл бұрын
13:56 Just place any object in front of you and you would only lose half of a heart. Or just crouch.
@misspat7555 Жыл бұрын
Outro joke was more thought-provoking than funny… I mean, if one is going through some heavy stuff, one might indeed forget that pesky electric bill… 5/10. This video was fun, Toycat, hope your trip is, too! 😊
@doubledogyt Жыл бұрын
"Light up the village the safest way you can." Proceeds to light the village on fire XD
@tctheunbeliever Жыл бұрын
safety second!
@imperfectimp Жыл бұрын
About rockets and Elytra: I'm very frugal when it comes to rockets (can't be bothered to build a farm) and you can get a lot of mileage out of 1 rocket if used wisely. You can easily get 600 blocks out. 800 is possible too, and I'm trying to see if I can reach 1000 blocks on 1 rocket.
@Whitehole5615 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: if u one shot a dolphin or (zombie) piglin in bedrock the horde will still come after you
@codergirlgames Жыл бұрын
Terraria places a grave with details of when and how you died at your spawn point. Could be a fun idea for minecraft
@JoeTheDauntless Жыл бұрын
The way that he digs down is how I’ve been doin it for years and I’m happy that someone has finally said somethin about it on KZbin! :D
@HungryWarden Жыл бұрын
I do it like that too! But only if I’m digging deep.
@timohara7717 Жыл бұрын
Everybody has said about it use youtube more tbh
@sporeham1674 Жыл бұрын
@@timohara7717shut
@nmgg6928 Жыл бұрын
I never noticed the clock and compass crafting display was accurate. Love learning tid bits like that very interesting
@bluedestroyer456 Жыл бұрын
10:13 I actually learned this myself i think, when i play games I always like test things out if would work or not, hehe sometimes i learn some “Speedrun” tricks myself. P.S. It took me longer to learn that you can crouch on that magma block with no damage
@gregscotthumbird Жыл бұрын
rather than lighting a village for later, block villagers into their homes at night when they are safe at home. Stack blocks to block the doors.
@kevinmenard6792 Жыл бұрын
Pro-tip to save yourself some time: make a copy of your world in creative to find coordinates of things. Sure it’s cheating but it takes a lot of the guesswork out of finding certain things like Pillager outposts or fortresses
@bevishhh2 ай бұрын
6:58 but why didn’t this one work? I have a few saplings in my world that just aren’t growing and I can’t figure out why. And then there are some that *have* grown but they’ve taken DAYS of just leaving them and waiting….
@johnperea3360 Жыл бұрын
Another tip, when looking / going to raid cavee and ancient cities, don't dig straight down. Thank toycat for the idea.
@hw436 Жыл бұрын
That trick of looking at the compass in the crafting menu just blew my mind. That is going to save me time *every* time I go caving!
@duckiekraft6893 Жыл бұрын
ibxtoycat: Have you ever seen someone lock their keys in the car? Me: Yes. In fact, I locked them in the trunk.
@august8679 Жыл бұрын
The tip about leaving flowing water is only a bedrock edition problem, water works like it’s supposed to on Java
@cornbreadbutcringey5723 Жыл бұрын
what are you talking about? some of the most famous bugs are java edition water bugs
@thealientree3821 Жыл бұрын
4:00 Live footage of what happens when you don't subscribe to ibxtoycat:
@algari Жыл бұрын
Unwanted water columns can be dealt with by using a tower of some sort and sponges.
@hyzmarie Жыл бұрын
With villages, when I play with friends we just have a rule where at night, we stay far enough away from the village that it’s not within the simulation distance so nothing can spawn
@Mike-tb2yh Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if it's been patched or now but u could stay underwater for ever in peaceful. Let ur air run out then surface ( try to only fill one bubble and go down ). If done right u will only loose half a heart and it will Regen b4 you take more damage
@shinymainespoon Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that's patched. However, wearing at least 3 armor pieces, all enchanted with Protection 4, achieves the same effect. Even leather armor works, according to tests just now.
@shenzixirgs8152 Жыл бұрын
It seems to work in Bedrock 1.19 (last time I played in my peaceful world)
@ozelhassan8576 Жыл бұрын
Yes I did appreciate it and I enjoyed this episode very much, Thanks for entertaining and enlightening me.
@EduAbsurdo Жыл бұрын
Toycat, I can't believe you died in the end void while recording a video *again* Edit:oh it's a copy
@Therealtoycat420 Жыл бұрын
Much love Toycat
@MazerTime Жыл бұрын
On the medium salmon edition, instead of deactivating your elitra just do spinny spin to lose your speed then glide down slowly
@DragonRose81 Жыл бұрын
I plant saplings next to each other in my tree farm and they grow just fine
@cleryfrey Жыл бұрын
I'm guilty of some of these haha... especially the dying in the Void part. I died in my Android world (wasn't using the cross pointer thing) and I lost my only netherite chestplate to the Void. edit: I tried the bonemeal tip and dayum... IT'S SO TRUE!!!
@TraplineEzi Жыл бұрын
To everyone keen on some live Minecraft I'll be streaming in about an hour for anyone who wants to watch :)
@sebastienmorin5149 Жыл бұрын
I miss thoses big empty "L" shaped houses in the old minecraft versions (i called them village mayor houses)... trapping villagers in thoses houses without beds and running away at dusk time made "chunk errors"... so funny when you explored a new area nearby... giant pillars were so easy to generate, giving 2X every ores contained within that chunk as much as a giant tower to sculpt and re-shape to your own will... ...but now it is almost gone... houses are now so small than having one that it is splitted in half by chunk border is rare... trapping villagers in such big houses cause "coding errors" when you try to leave for an unexplored direction while villagers calculate pathfinding to the nearest beds... ...when a villager was trying to leave a chunk in search of a avalable bed but you was far enough than your "chunk rendering distance" was still good but your "mob rendering distance" failed to animate the villager... it caused gliches in the game... that may result into things like 5 cows stacked in the same spot or land that copies itself on top of itself... funny stuffs... realy interesting "bugs" and "glitches"
@timohara7717 Жыл бұрын
What and why
@poopmaster137 Жыл бұрын
put a chest on the 2nd floor and a flag on the roof and you got a base
@sebastienmorin5149 Жыл бұрын
@@poopmaster137 at that time, there was no banners... i think it was wersion 1.4 or something like that... hoppers did not exist...
@BenjaminOpenshaw Жыл бұрын
In Java edition, trees will grow right next to each other when you bonemeal them, though they won't otherwise.
@jacoblamberson3751 Жыл бұрын
false
@BenjaminOpenshaw Жыл бұрын
@@jacoblamberson3751 That is not false. I made sure to test it myself before posting. Check your facts before posting nonsense.
@sporeham1674 Жыл бұрын
I've made walls out of trees with this method!
@majestic2876 Жыл бұрын
I JUST started my end base yesterday and learned this the hard way lmao, had a recent back up luckily, had like 5 shulker boxes evaporate
@olinolivia Жыл бұрын
the commentary in this video is insane this feels like a fever dream
@hello-ji7qj Жыл бұрын
Wish you had this video out the day before yesterday, because I just lost a shulker full of tools and an hours worth of mining end stone to the end spawn platform.
@timothyvanhoeck233 Жыл бұрын
"Just take your Flint and Steel and light up the Village in the safest way you can." says ibxtoycat as he proceeds to commit simulated arson against several hapless villagers' houses...😳
@vinportobg11 ай бұрын
Tip for villages is imprison them in the houses by removing the door and placing 2 dirt blocks much cheaper.
@Craxin01 Жыл бұрын
Been over a year since I watched an ibxtoycat video. Man, he slowed down. He used to talk a lot faster!
@Planetmango48 Жыл бұрын
Yay, Infinite Obsidian. And I regret not lighting up some villages. 4:52 Yep...
@Dave0439 Жыл бұрын
as someone that played on 1.13 for a long time due to no updates for WII U everything having to do with the water in this video i actually know, i have also seen not only seen big and medium salmon, ive also seen small salmon
@SmachnayaBebra Жыл бұрын
Tip: use stariar in nether, because they can't catch on fire
@jcraft2805 Жыл бұрын
12:26, nah, I get my food from master farmers, pumkin pie precisely.
@eiiza8283 Жыл бұрын
I have the last one happen to me a few times, I never knew why it was, thank you.
@jeffrey778 Жыл бұрын
i do wish this game made grave stones like terraria does
@BearlyBearrr Жыл бұрын
I lost all my stuff to the void putting my gear in a chest on the obsidian platform when i wanted to bridge from it to a enderman farm i was gonna build, spend 4 hours just getting my enchantments back
@timohara7717 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't seem like a problem only 4 hours
@HERE.AND.QUEER. Жыл бұрын
I love the “big salmon edition”
@AmixLiark Жыл бұрын
If you find a village early game build your base 128+ blocks away and never be within that distance at night or during storms.
@neeosstuff7540 Жыл бұрын
To preserve villages I find it much better to lock the villagers in the safety of their homes.
@flipp1y Жыл бұрын
That intro was so good way better than the usual intros
@LavrentiEmirashvili Жыл бұрын
6:20 i wish sugarcabe bone mealing worked in java
@goddessdeedeebubblesofimag7789 Жыл бұрын
I luckily learned the first one you covered in a creative flat world, where I was trying to place chests full of ender pearls and carved pumpkins on the obsidian. I say luckily _not_ because of the laggy mess I had to fix, but because thst now I know of this and can avoid it in the future.
@CobaltPerseverance154 Жыл бұрын
You literally made a video about not killing cats for string now here we are.
@Enejenejehgwuwe Жыл бұрын
Toycat not being able to break some amethyst in a copy of his world: Me and my friend making a copy of our world and blowing up our base and animals:
@Totaln0ob23 Жыл бұрын
Ah, yes; I love keeping my villages safe by lighting them on fire. also great vid
@SunriseMaster Жыл бұрын
From now on I will only refer to Bedrock edition as Big Salmon edition.
@Charmaster0427 күн бұрын
Ooh! I didn't know you could harvest Salmon for bones! Time for me to slaughter some fish for bone meal!
@Mr.MR2111 Жыл бұрын
Zombies can't kill your villigers if you kill/burn the villigers 4:10
@TowZatya2 ай бұрын
easiest way to save village - just trap villagers in their houses. If you missed some light, they will survive. And do it for minimal 2 villagers to reproduce them
@countdrakhera6844 Жыл бұрын
Most people with elytra have farms for fireworks i would hope, if you want to get the best use out of your elytra, yes, flying straight at something is better. elytra take damage from flight time, so going high and gliding slowly yes you go farther, you also get less travel distance between repairs.
@Torpax_ Жыл бұрын
My elytra has never dipped below 3/4 durability with mending and unbreaking, and I abuse it lol. I'll save my gunpowder for tnt and such ty. Built a gunpowder farm on bedrock and java and it was kind of a waste of time tbh
@mikecamp7175 Жыл бұрын
Never got below 3/4?! Then you are not abusing it. I had to farm xp bottles from clerics to take with me on adventures. I can easily go through a shulker full of xp bottles mending my elytra on an adventure. Sounds like your definition of “abusing elytra” is very different than mine
@dazednconfuzedsean7 Жыл бұрын
Strange how scaffolding will break outside of simulation distance but flowing water will stay
@ruuddriessen8547 Жыл бұрын
If you're wearing an elytra and get hit by a shulker you can jump to go down.
@Stdashe Жыл бұрын
Java players watching him bonemeal sugar cane
@Blacksmith52 Жыл бұрын
with elytra (11:30) I can fly 500 blocks with only one firework
@mrskyzear Жыл бұрын
this much belittling deserves a sub, keep talking to me like i have negative braincells
@sheer_coolness Жыл бұрын
RIP toycats netherite armour
@AmixLiark Жыл бұрын
Funny thing about liquid in minecraft! You can drown in water but you cannot drown in lava with a fire resistance potion. 😂
@Ghostmdogfirst1234 Жыл бұрын
I have made those mistakes heck I didn’t know how to craft on the first day I played
@coreymallard6650 Жыл бұрын
Toycat: “light villagers houses on fire”
@voLumez Жыл бұрын
Another toycat banger
@tylerkovalskas9780 Жыл бұрын
Ore blocks always should be fortuned, EXCEPT for nether gold ores. The nether gold ores are the ONLY exception.
@Overwatchaddictt Жыл бұрын
Emerald ore deepslate emerald deepslate coal?
@Hunter00555 Жыл бұрын
Deepslate copper
@timohara7717 Жыл бұрын
@@Overwatchaddicttshould be fortuned for the resourced
@cleryfrey Жыл бұрын
if you fortune Nether gold ores your inventory will become full almost instantly. What I do is I silk touch at least one source of the ore (deepslate or regular one) to be placed in a museum. I had diamond ores (not the deepslate one) in my previous world but because of a bug I had to reinstall Minecraft and the world vanished :(
@ruuddriessen8547 Жыл бұрын
@@cleryfreyif you smelt those nether gold ore blocks you get an ingot straight away, with fortune you dont get 9 nuggets, so its beter to smelt them and dont fortune 3 them.
@hallway7095 Жыл бұрын
Oooo I found a village! Let me just light it up so I can keep everyone safe. “Burns down the entire village”
@Imperfect_MoonLight Жыл бұрын
5:56 you absolute monster
@enzodelgado2912 Жыл бұрын
I made the mistake with the end platform with a shulkerbox and three wither skulls. Had to learn not to build on it the hard way 😐
@Torpax_ Жыл бұрын
PAIN
@CelestialSorceress Жыл бұрын
I thought you said that was for saving the village for later 4:19
@joelsullivan5354 Жыл бұрын
Idea: get the efficiency leather armour set and turn it into leatherite with the silence trim
@HungryWarden Жыл бұрын
I always knew Toycat would commit arson on a Village.
@benthebeaver Жыл бұрын
Bro says 6×6 then shows very clearly its 5x5
@Dave0439 Жыл бұрын
5:55 - 5:58 ibxtoycat commits cat homicide
@meatsauce12 Жыл бұрын
I use fireworks like crazy on my world because I have automatic sugar cane and gunpowder farms so I just get unlimited flight duration 3s
@bobalooboo Жыл бұрын
I recently lost two good shulker boxes not knowing about the end spawn platform “feature”
@shinymainespoon Жыл бұрын
I had the same problem. Relogging made the shulker box reappear. Here's hoping either my solution works for you, or whatever lost was safely replaced
@maphoozgaming8542 Жыл бұрын
Statistically theoretically at some point someone subscribed to Toycat is gonna have a house fire.
@timohara7717 Жыл бұрын
They already have
@CrazyCappy22 Жыл бұрын
13:09 Dolphins Can Hit you!
@r3tr0trvchaz Жыл бұрын
Love this content ❤
@iterativedoor8411 Жыл бұрын
Me and my friend was making an enderman farm or something so we put all our armour and items in a shulker box and left it on the end spawn, came back unsuccessful and lost all of our stuff
@annasmith5216 Жыл бұрын
put my valuables shulker on the end platform once (bc was building and afraid i’d fall into the void) and then enderman attacked me so figured i’d exit and reenter real quic.. bad times