18 Year Old Boy Believes He is Already Dead | Chicago Med

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Season 8 Episode 15 - Those Times You Have To Cross The Line

[@LilFoxyCosplay]

The delusion you're dead is so scary i forget what its called but ive heard of people starving to death because they dont think they need to eat

[@CaydenSworn]

Cotard's Syndrome.

[@user-ec3rm9wr1n]

​@@CaydenSwornhe keeps imagination active

[@LilFoxyCosplay]

@@CaydenSworn thank you

[@tomedy_official]

The thing is he shouldn't be talking

[@rumblefish9]

Reminded me of Per Yngve "Pelle" Ohlin lead singer of death metal band Mayhem.

[@Vee_breeze2767]

Imagine how dangerous it would be to think you’re already dead. Not only for others but for you as well. Awful for the people who actually go through this.

[@user-ec3rm9wr1n]

He's already causing problems with his actions and imagination

[@lunarro7]

"Do you want to turn into frankenstein?" "I'll definitely consider it"

[@oyiniii]

That was a lovely approach to convince him. Dr. Charles is def a W doctor

[@galileonworld]

frankenstein's monster even

[@NotBlue93]

Did Dr. Charles shake a soda can for him to drink? Now that's evil.

[@Vee_breeze2767]

That’s what I thought lmao

[@seanfleming7206]

Might've been hoping to get a reaction out of him and shock him out of the stupor he was in.

[@GamerFox8606]

No

[@shivjain]

Why? I didn't get it. Please explain

[@beckahalvarez702]

​@@shivjainBecause when he opens it, it's gonna blow up on him! You never, ever shake a soda!

[@jodia2125]

Me and my sister went with family to a party for new years one year. My sister drank a fair bit, and when people started making drinks for her, she accepted more and more, even though they were all mostly different, so she was mixing a LOT of different alcohols. I went outside to smoke and my other sister came to get me. She told me she needed my help cus something was wrong with my sister. I went in and found out she was upstairs. She had locked herself in the bathroom. She was laughing so much, but crying too, hysterical, absolutely out of her mind, and wouldn't let me in. I had to spend half hour convincing her to let me in. I told her i had more drinks for her. She eventually let me in, and i kid you not, i was terrified. She was repeatedly telling me she had died and when i tried to explain that she had not, she was convinced she was in heaven hence why there was plants in the bathroom "because where besides heaven would you have plants in the bathroom?" I tried convincing her gently for about 30 mins, until it all went south as she said "I'll prove it. Im already dead so now i cant die" and dived at the open window! I had to grab her and wrestle her down. I ended up telling her that if she was dead jsut to lie in the bath like a coffin while i find a way to get help. She did lie in the bath, and i covered her with my coat and she fell asleep. She woke up about 15 mins later vomiting loads and loads and loads, but at least by thatr point she no longer thought she was dead thank God.

[@caspercascade4623]

i know this delusion is a very real and scary thing but. "You told her that you were dead? I'm sorry to hear that" is so funny to me

[@shallyhutch4032]

“ OH YOURE DEAD ? SORRY TO HEAR THAT”

[@carenxatu5962]

Right!?!! XD

[@giosy0072]

Who knows if we'll ever hear from the boy who decided to continue playing hockey despite Choi advising him to stop.

[@zandorkie8743]

Probably never owo

[@Vee_breeze2767]

Gonna need an angel for that

[@michaelsndergaard2912]

walking around, thinking you came back from the dead. well thats a new one. but good it seemed to help him

[@LyingTube]

First described in 1880! So surprisingly not actually that new.

[@yumni.0334]

Literally just learnt about ECT on my psych placement yesterday, media has done such disservice it's a really effective treatment

[@hilaryc3203]

Shows like this are inaccurate, flippant and disrespectful a lot of the times. The paramedic rolling her eyes and finding humour in his mental health crisis would not happen in real life. But yes, all the movies and public perceptions are that it's a torturous process with patients convulsing on the bed in agony. All for views because humans feed off of that type of nonsense.

[@aleksandragieralt7370]

​@hilaryc3203 from my understanding, sometimes, in the past, it used to be. Some medical staff abused it to coerce and control patients, other times it truly was therapeutic. Modern day ECT is just one controlled shock at a time, so it's not as dangerous, but some patients still suffer memory loss. There's also a huge wait list for it in Canada, from my understanding, so it's not always offered. I don't believe the nurse would be holding the rods to his head either, they'd be electrodes like defibrillation pads.

[@hilaryc3203]

@@aleksandragieralt7370 It was harsh in the past, absolutely, but the movies have people convinced that it is like that in this day and age. I have heard of the side effects as well. Tricky procedure, but if the proper application aids patients, that's great. I watch the little snippets of these shows on youtube, but I can't sit through an entire episode or series due to the mistakes and liberties they take. Cheers.

[@yumni.0334]

@@aleksandragieralt7370 Yep, historically speaking it was definitely abused, like most medical treatments we have these days. Problem is that people think it's an archaic torture method when it's actually useful. The memory loss is a little scary though.

[@carenxatu5962]

@@aleksandragieralt7370 you are correct about the pads. The goo they use to stick it to your head can be such a nightmare to deal with tho. I love picking so I kinda enjoyed when it dried up and I could try to remove as much as I could before having to shower. As for the wait list in Canada… I didn’t have to wait long but that was only because there was an ECT in our city and my initial psychiatrist was one of the doctors using it. Now the magnetic one is a long wait list as there’s fewer of those. (Also they’re like a diluted ECT. Not as affective but also not as rough on the body and mind.)

[@abeehamoosavi7356]

Dr Charles is so creative

[@charlieleslie9091]

I got ect for my depression and it can be such a life saver

[@Rat_Queen86]

I’m glad it worked for you but, as my original comment, I don’t think it is recommended treatment for schizoaffective disorder

[@princessmewtwo]

When he said he was dead, I thought he had Walking Corpse syndrome.

[@marvolom787]

If he doesn't qualify for psychatric hold, something is clearly wrong with the rules

[@suespiria9574]

Saying that you don't want to continue medication doesn't qualify as "danger to yourself or others". He can be declared incompetent but that takes time. So finding an alternative the patient is more receptive to was the better option.

[@marvolom787]

@suespiria9574 I'm talking about his extreme delusions. He's clearly not in right mental state and he's danger to himself

[@Rat_Queen86]

@@suespiria9574he’s claiming he is dead He is not able to make rational decisions, especially in relation to medical care

[@suespiria9574]

@@Rat_Queen86 He didn't attack anyone, he did not try to escape from the hospital. If he had denied any form of treatment I am sure the doctor's might have tried to have him declared incompetent. But it is aways easier to work with the patient and not against them. Also people with delusional episodes can be very rational in all other regards. And it seems that even with the pills he was getting worse.

[@suespiria9574]

@@marvolom787 He did not actively harm himself, he was not against being in the hospital. He was willing to get a different treatment. So involuntary hold was not necessary.

[@bradleypittman9370]

This treatment helped my mom but its not always one treatment

[@carlofthestars]

dude what

[@bradleypittman9370]

@@carlofthestars yes it can take multiple treatments to work

[@anissa7856]

So happy for you and your mom and thanks for sharing this information

[@user-ec3rm9wr1n]

​@@bradleypittman9370painful 😣

[@carenxatu5962]

It’s rarely just one treatment. In fact I think it’s recommended to have at least 3-5. I’d personally not recommend someone stop at one either, especially considering how the first time is absolutely brutal. I don’t think it’d be good to end the treatment on such a rough note. (Like leaving halfway through a full body massage.) Oh gawd- the pain was something else. Felt like I was put in an empty cement turner thing or something, and then left to be tossed around for hours until my body just couldn’t move.

[@googleuser8740]

Dr. Charles shook the can of Soda he's a secret psycopath

[@user-ec3rm9wr1n]

@@googleuser8740 is he diagnosed!? Cause if he's its huge trouble

[@AutisticPrime-2.0]

First thing I would’ve said is “told ya so”

[@deberahkearns3843]

I can't believe they let the parents watch! Also, one round of ect does not work that quickly!!

[@joanalika3968]

Dr Charles looks awkward in those scrubs 😅😅

[@Shaialovescats69]

I love Chicago ❤❤❤❤

[@nontobekonsele2282]

Why is nobody talking about Dr Charles wearing a scrub?

[@RhettGaming3313]

fr thats a first

[@alansohn855]

Literally but I like the fit ngl.

[@ameliaflynnhayes]

I would hate to feel that way about myself like he does

[@arielcartley9346]

Just when I think they finally get their act together with the title, I see Chicago P.D. 😅 What's going on???

[@mm2_baconcuriousligh]

They will get 1k soon

[@Romzylicious]

This is BS - a psychiatrist can get a "substitute decision maker" in situations such as this where competency is highly in question.

[@ospreyphil8995]

Surely David could be deemed as not having capacity to make his own decisions???

[@Rat_Queen86]

ECT? Is that recommended in schizoaffective disorder?

[@RhettGaming3313]

wrong outro mate, wrong outro.

[@KatieHewitt-j6l]

"You told her that you were dead".... "I'm sorry to hear that" ALEXA WAS RESPONSE LMAO

[@SusanDion-ii5pc]

You usually have to get 12 procedures before you see results

[@benGibbons-j8w]

Ect never helped me

[@meggrotte4760]

I don't understand how patient's rights could have that much impact It's one thing if you're able to function.But if you're not why can't people be forced to get help I don't understand

[@kerrieanneo]

Because we can’t decide what’s the best thing for everyone. If your an adult you are allowed to make adult decisions, it’s like people with cancer are not forced to have chemo it’s optional - is this guaranteeing death if you go without it ? Yes but is it classed as suicide no? The right to chose your medical treatment or what treatment you have is a human beings right. Not all psychiatric medication works or benefits people sometimes you need to try this that and the other before you find a solution or find that none of them work for you! It’s not black and white we can help and be forced to accept medical treatment. I agree he is delusional and we should be able to help people but tying people down and forcing treatment has its own repercussions long term to mentally ill people too

[@AdasLife1]

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[@aksharakale4811]

Who's the actor who plays the boy? I recognise him from somewhere

[@TheBoringEdward]

In b4 they change the title

[@TroyDrane1120]

Why is it saying chargio pd not med

[@rainshadows17]

Chicago PD really?

[@LyingTube]

As an autistic person, hearing Charles even suggest ECT was chilling. It stopped being used because it was ineffective, often harmful, and incredibly cruel. And it was often used against neurodivergent patients. I'm glad to see it at least includes anaesthesia now, but the mention of it was unsettling.

[@MissRachellauren]

It is still used widely across the globe for treatment resistant conditions. it’s much more kind now with sedation employed but you’re incorrect with saying it’s been ceased.

[@kjoter]

it's still used today

[@shanstergoodheart5177]

I don't think it is ineffective. I think it can be extremely effective. I think the problem is that people were using it more broadly than it should have been used with not enough safeguards.

[@reunitingetal1327]

ECT nowdays is not the same as how it used to be. Obviously some places misuse it but in a proper clinical setting it isn’t dangerous or abusive, but an effective treatment for some

[@FairleyTrashed]

You’re right it is ineffective with Autistic/neuro diverse people! It’s very effective (and safe) with drug resistant psychosis though.

[@Meli_1793]

Here b4 they change the title

[@TheBoringEdward]

joke my nabs sb b4 in

[@YakhyaNdayisenga]

He is not dead

[@etsunara.]

woah! really?

[@OctoberOctopusM]

How can you tell??

[@Vee_breeze2767]

He’s a walking corpse guys it’s fine

[@OctoberOctopusM]

@@Vee_breeze2767 So he could just be pretending he's alive? That's creepy.

[@Vee_breeze2767]

@@OctoberOctopusM very creepy

[@rosariodagosto6484]

i know this ect definitely works resets brain patterns back to 0

[@SlayyQween-iv8le]

help the guy who acts david is so hot omg

[@bendxva]

hows that actor that plays the 18 year old?

[@arielg7000]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@catherinesousa8314]

.

[@blond009]

But he’s not mentally stable to decide for himself. Clearly, since he thinks he is dead . Therefore, they should be able to force medication into him.

[@meghnasrivastava1229]

Cotard syndrome?

[@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc]

Cotard syndrome

[@stefaniapittau9775]

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Hi David I'm 18 year old Too

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