I believe counterfeiting started 1 hour after the first coin was minted. Thanks for the great video Daniel. I did not know about the electrotypes. Very interesting and informative.
@jeraldspannagel52896 ай бұрын
How Ridiculous. I have one of those. That’s crazy. Who would pay that. It says copy right on it. ?
@RobFindsTreasure5 жыл бұрын
A beautiful mint struck fake indeed. Thanks for sharing brother.
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome
@antoniolunahernandez34163 жыл бұрын
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@tomcat23955 жыл бұрын
I was in the British Museum looking at ancient fake coins a few months ago. This kind of thing as been going on ever since the concept of money was developed
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
Yes it has
@ahmedalsalaye16572 жыл бұрын
@@CoinHELPu how can i know the orignal
@itz_me_alfej Жыл бұрын
I have this coin🖐️
@aaabeverages71525 жыл бұрын
I'm still laughing @ buyers of copies. Grading has its perks.
@guttedfish61525 жыл бұрын
I have 20 of them, and cause I like you, only 10 grand each...!!!!🙌😎😛👍👍👍
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@jacobdutton81074 жыл бұрын
I have a silver 1804 drape dollar that seems to have some legit age to it what could it be worth?
@MrRant2475 жыл бұрын
If it is a proof, get it graded. They said for years the fifth 1913 Liberty nickel was a fake and guess what, it's AUTHENTIC!
@nickwaterhouse40395 жыл бұрын
I like that in the videos there is some new small nugget of information i never knew before.
@antoniusbritannia82175 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, the 1804 dollar was not struck in 1804.
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
Nope and neither were these copies, it was circa 1860's for some but there's different classes so not all the same year.
@neilcarlson724 жыл бұрын
Another fun fact. Most likely there were draped bust dollars struck in 1804. But they had the 1803 date. It was standard procedure back then to use dies till the wore out.
@lennywright56555 жыл бұрын
In the past people counterfeited coins. In modern times they counterfeit coin holders. In the future they will probably counterfeit bitcoin (if they aren’t already)
@onedollasnake3 жыл бұрын
Not really counterfeit it so much as scam people out of Bitcoin I saw multiple large Twitter accounts get hacked and the hackers advertised scams of Bitcoin
@kennethlarsen48055 жыл бұрын
I have a fake 1804. Someone gave it to me after they found out it was fake. I googled 1804 dollars and there it was, pictured among other fake 1804 s. It looks silver but never had it checked.
@banjarasatveer34612 жыл бұрын
I have this coin
@HDDynalowrider3 жыл бұрын
Copied in 1834 and most were chased down.
@paulbegansky56505 жыл бұрын
Super video. You do these really well. Faked, counterfeit, cleaned altered all make me scared to purchase stuff. I just dont have the knowledge. Now I need to find my 1804 caped bust liberty in storage and I have a date late with Morgan Fairchild, yeah....a date that's the ticket.
@cylentkills5 жыл бұрын
Stay away from Etsy and wish. com should help
@vyesitsme92035 жыл бұрын
Beautiful 1804 💥 Very Good Informational Video! Thanks 🙏🏾💥👍👍👍
@8lb322513 жыл бұрын
good day, I have one of this 1804 and some 1795, one 1923, couple 1906 can you please help me to findout if they are real?
@alfredocontreras51753 жыл бұрын
Yo tengo una 1804 como puedo saber si es original
@wandlbaker5 жыл бұрын
A few months ago I saw information on a website that promoted that they could "reproduce ANY coin or round to YOUR specification." Scary. If a person is buying a MIRACLE coin for a MIRACLE price alarm bells should ring loud and clear. BUT, I did not know about this coin in your video. Thanks for enlightening us.
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome and thanks for watching.
@crisedensomera74893 жыл бұрын
If I brought an old coin same on that vedio.how I guarantee you can buy this old coin?
@sergioortega58692 жыл бұрын
I have been verifying that there are more patterns of this type of coins which I thought were copies or fake but I see that it is not like that. the Americans themselves are unaware of these facts since the story is real when the first ones were made, quite a few people from Europe were taken as souvenirs at that time until Ireland came Great Britain Brazil Cuba because I followed threads of people who have this type of pieces I have the A book that also describes the history of some coins and patterns, even in United Kingdom, I saw in an online antique store a Morgan Dollar made of copper from 1870, I already have it in my hands and it is indeed a great piece and the one from 1794 all the characteristics of the first currency symbols on the edge of the 1794 coin we cannot say that they are false because we do not know the whole truth yet of what there are copies, it may be that if for some coins that I imagine they do not have the measurements and the weight adequate but until today. I have already discovered between 5 to 9 different pieces including the one I have and I don't sell it, maybe I can certify. But it is a very valuable piece and because of the way it is, it may be that it is the first coin minted of all those that are known already auctioned, nor the piece that is worth 10 million dollars today has the same design, this looks more complete the eagle
@CoinHELPu2 жыл бұрын
Not 1804, they're all well known and well studied restrikes. No more 1804 exists, they're all accounted for.
@sergioortega58692 жыл бұрын
@@CoinHELPu I have a pattern 1877 morgans I had already seen you a photo on facebook but I don't think you saw it. for years
@leebrewer11905 жыл бұрын
I never heard of these before. Thanks for the education!
@simpleman56885 жыл бұрын
Thanks as always, Daniel. Very interesting sir. I have never understood the handful of “thumbs down” some bozos seem to put on most of your fantastic videos. What the heck is that?
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
Just haters, they're subbed just to thumb down. Don't care what its about, just spiteful hate, they have no idea it doesn't mean anything.
@JoeDurbin5 жыл бұрын
Very Cool and interesting coin and info,thanks for sharing Daniel
@667hodge5 жыл бұрын
Electrotyping was invented by Moritz von Jacobi in 1838.The coin can't be a restrike because of the method used,but did the mint use original molds?
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
it's electrotype and not a restrike at all. I have a link to the info in the description. Stacks and bowers auction.
@wisconsincrhunter56145 жыл бұрын
Great information Daniel, its becoming a normal thing with all your videos. Super educational, super informational. Stellar video. I've seen you do a shout out before and wondering what would I have to do in order to get one from you. I know you're a super busy man owning/opersting a coin shop and doing all these great videos so if you cant do it I wont be mad at ya lol. Still will love your videos and continue watching them. Either way Daniel thanks a ton for all you do!
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I rarely do shout outs, because I don't have time to watch many videos to see if they fit for me or ring true. Also they don't help a lot in the scheme of things. I have coin opp give me a shout out and got some subs but my subs are built by my content and how I optimize each video and thumb nail.
@wisconsincrhunter56145 жыл бұрын
@@CoinHELPu I understand Daniel, 100% no worries. I just figured it couldnt hurt to ask, worst case scenario you tell me no lol. I know you are busy, you have to be with everything you do, especially with all the videos you have been posting, all educational in some way or another and I just love your content. Would be cool if you had time to check out some of my videos. The few I have are relatively short, all are under 4 or 5 minutes I believe. I do have another question for you though. If you had a 1986 $5 gold eagle(I think that's what it's called, but it is the $5 coin) first year of issue slabbed in a NGC holder graded ms70, what would you sell it for?
@chawlay13344 жыл бұрын
I have 1more 1804.I want sell how much is it.I'm Myanmar.
@Wylie5.05 жыл бұрын
Great Information as always Daniel. Thanks for sharing buddy!
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
Thanks and you're welcome
@ncjatt25974 жыл бұрын
I have one I wanna sale
@jumemowery94345 жыл бұрын
Quite interesting & illuminating
@mith.83435 жыл бұрын
Great video Daniel. Great education Sir.
@saihsenghan1444 Жыл бұрын
I have the original one, where can I sell them?
@andrewmanley95795 жыл бұрын
Interesting info. Thanks Daniel.
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome
@winaung32604 жыл бұрын
1804coins How can I sell?
@barbarag.seaverson47905 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the heads up.
@Miss117792 жыл бұрын
At least that copy you show is pretty. Mine is an ugly yellow-gold... I'll throw it in my son's toy box lol 🤷🏻♀️
@gl25772 жыл бұрын
I just found among some coins that I was given as an inheritance, an 1804 "proof" coin that says it is a copy, it has all the characteristics of being a good coin, could I send you a photo to see if it is genuine? Thanks, I'm in Mexico City
@CoinHELPu2 жыл бұрын
It says copy it’s not genuine
@williamkerr81612 жыл бұрын
@@CoinHELPu Not so fast I was gifted one as well in around the late 1970s and it came in a royal blue velvet cloth over a steel case with an adjoining letter inside with a full-color American Flag print on the front side.. The coin looks stunningly precise and beautiful with the Obverse side facing outward. It weighs 16.3 grams on my scale. The only exception to the appearance of the coin is when you turn to the reverse side which also is quick to please and equally precise and true in its every detail but there it is. An engraving in the central location and set in the top horizontal portion of the shield and just below the motto. This is where you will see the well-blended lettering of the word COPY. It is printed once only there on the reverse side while leaving the obverse side looking outward and ideal. I've enjoyed owning this particular coin for a very long time now and has its place and staying in my collection Getting back with a closing mention to the accompanying letter, there is a complete story and historical insight along with an appointed 4 digit number of authenticity. The last paragraph of the letter reads as follows, This extraordinary rarity has been painstakingly reproduced. The exacting detail of its original design has been faithfully preserved, and its rich intricate artistry recaptures the excitement of the original 1804 Dollars, so highly sought the world over.
@williamkerr81612 жыл бұрын
G L,,, of Mexico City,...Your story is close in nature to mine. Do you know this saying? One man's junk is another man's treasure! Since there is zero possibility of ever owning an original, I see nothing wrong in owning the next best thing. A high-quality genuine COPY from a reputable Company like Franklin Mint is quite fine.
@ectogeoszethip1365 жыл бұрын
THANKS FOR THE GREAT INFO. DANIEL.
@Car1Sagan5 жыл бұрын
Wow Daniel, now China will be making fake copies of legit copies. I was burned once by a Chinese-made 20¢ piece. So only 4 legit copies were made by the US Mint? In Phily? In 1860? Anything special at the US Mint happen in 1860 for these to be made?
@Bearded_Viking87 Жыл бұрын
Ok, so i found an 1804 draped coin. I tested it and it's silver. It doesn't say copy anywhere that i can see. Could use some help.
@CoinHELPu Жыл бұрын
It’s still not an authentic 1804 US dollar.
@Bearded_Viking87 Жыл бұрын
@@CoinHELPu ok thank you
@pumengmangphiamphu90962 жыл бұрын
I have 1804 silver dolar coin what is the price now?
@ceneroberts40772 жыл бұрын
I have 1804 liberty COPY with a 4 digit number ingraved on the edge ....
@silverwiskers73715 жыл бұрын
I'd like to buy a bunch of good fake coins 4a decoy in a 2nd. safe in the open in my house while another safe is well hidden, what's your take on doing this???
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
A safe is opened by a crook who has a gun to your head or they steal the entire safe if possible. So I guess it's 50/50
@pattalayling6085 Жыл бұрын
I have 1 pcs 1799 flowing hair? how much.
@vernapittman1673 Жыл бұрын
I need some guidance on some coins that have came into my possession. 1794 and here 4 sisters . They weigh correctly edge markings exact . Please I can send pics this could be massive . Idk what to do from here .
@CoinHELPu Жыл бұрын
Please consult someone local they will need to see your coin in hand.
@carolynheard42613 жыл бұрын
Can please to me I have a whole bunch of money and I don’t understand what you’re coming from I mean what kind from and how much it worth
@Car1Sagan5 жыл бұрын
Daniel, just a suggestion for another video. Are there other legitimate copies done by the US Mint on other coins? Is there a list somewhere? We learn something new & interesting from you every day.
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
No list that I know of.
@tomkirby32815 жыл бұрын
I have an 1803 half dollar and an 1805 half dollar. If I add them together and average the dates, that's as close to an 1804 dollar as I'll ever get. :)
@jpsned2 жыл бұрын
😀
@tennesseewendy36315 жыл бұрын
I'm shocked, thanks for all your educational videos. God Bless
@the4seasons4ever5 жыл бұрын
great stuff .thank you for looking out for the regular guys who love this hobby Daniel.thank you for looking out for us!!!!!
@ECP5 жыл бұрын
We need a Video on 50s Proof Sets Please... Grades and Expectations .... pretty please
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
A video just for you Ha Ha
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
You have already been told that answer
@ocomegashadowstacking58865 жыл бұрын
Wow really amazing video!!!
@nawzadsalih55832 жыл бұрын
Any one dollar made in Metal in that yeas ?
@oscarcardenas6892 жыл бұрын
I have a Barber coin that has Copy on it. Does it have value?
@nawzadsalih55832 жыл бұрын
Please how I can contact you I have one 1804 it’s not Silver
@happenlove85593 жыл бұрын
hi can you tell me how many grams should be the coins 1804
@CoinHELPu3 жыл бұрын
You don't have a real one so it doesn't matter. Sorry
@nylejvids74214 жыл бұрын
hi,i have that kind of coin 1804 silver minted.how i would sell it please help me. thanks
@CoinHELPu4 жыл бұрын
It's fake
@mikeswiental48154 жыл бұрын
i have been studying these- these 1804 were made in 4 stages, mostly around 1820. one of those "segments" were done by a 3rd party. the mint checked them, recalled them and melted them. the rumor is that out of that 3rd party segment ,the coins were not being minted by a ethical company and some were taken out for personal use. We think the reason they recalled and melted them is because many were "underweight"-so, it is VERY possible that a few 1804's that were dismissed out of hand because they were slightly underweight,were actually REAL survivors.so, as we do more detective work and computers and websites gather more information from the past,we might find some of these "fakes" are real !
@CoinHELPu4 жыл бұрын
Not how it works, the fakes are not even close to the design or strike and are not proof. Weight isn't the only aspect of it.
@mikeswiental48154 жыл бұрын
@@CoinHELPu i agree ,but wouldn't they dismiss the 1804 coin you bought in, if it had all the correct markings,but was underweight , even though it was uncirculated?
@mikeswiental48154 жыл бұрын
@@CoinHELPu to put if different, i i were a coin dealer, and some one bought one in- it looked perfect, but only weighed 25.9 grams instead of 26.7 and it was uncirculated, i would have told them it was a great looking fake, but it is fake because the weight is wrong-
@CoinHELPu4 жыл бұрын
@@mikeswiental4815 you're too hung up on weight. Plus none are going to coming a shop and look like a real one. They all look fake to me and I've seen thousands of fakes over the years.
@mikeswiental48154 жыл бұрын
@@CoinHELPu so, do you think there are any real ones floating around out there?
@rositaromero55613 жыл бұрын
Hi...we have also this 1804 liberty coins. But I dont know if it is real or authentic. Would You help me?
@williamrizzo7809 Жыл бұрын
Well I found a large and a small 1804 Drape bust I use the micrometer micrometer and measured a millimeter which came out to 39 mm the weight with a gram and a half off every store every line in the center of the eagle every learning of states in relation with the clowns lines out I found this I found a coin and very old man’s grandfather’s collection which has extremely good in uncirculated Morgan and a lot of Egyptian gold goldI’m gonna take a picture if you think it’s not worth my time sending in let me know I don’t pay a lot like I said if it was fake I could have my money back everything about the way he handled it he had no idea what he was doing the condition it’s just so good that’s what scares me
@darthgodete43522 жыл бұрын
hi daniel, kind old video.. i have one if this one.. 1804 and some others from 1800's where can i sell them ?
@CoinHELPu2 жыл бұрын
Only once you have them authenticated can you think about selling them, if the 1804 is a dollar coin then it's counterfeit.
@darthgodete43522 жыл бұрын
@@CoinHELPu how do i do that ?
@tonizumpano74545 жыл бұрын
You sure dig up interesting facts.
@celiacastellanos40402 жыл бұрын
I have a few 1804 silver coins.
@gwenmacapagal56253 жыл бұрын
Just wanna ask if there is a 1804 made from bronze or a brass it it considered fake , ,,usually whats the coin made from.thanks a lot for sharing hope you answered my question??
@CoinHELPu3 жыл бұрын
No there's not
@ThePattyGates3 жыл бұрын
What about the Midnight Minter copys?
@JOESCARESPINA-in1zq7 ай бұрын
Good day, i have a one dolar 1877 and 1804, can you help me to know if this coins i have is real or fake
@CoinHELPu7 ай бұрын
Use coinhelpu community
@user-hi6by6om5u Жыл бұрын
يوجد لدى لبيرتى الفظية 1804 نفس الوزن ولكتها ليست أصلية
@CasinoGambler777 Жыл бұрын
Hi there we pick up 1804 dollar coin from the Philippines I wonder if this is a real or fake
@CoinHELPu Жыл бұрын
It's not authentic, there's only 15 known and all are in collections.
@davidalmestica507611 ай бұрын
Hi am in the Virgin Islands st.croix we Don't have collectors over here ,I have a 1804 liberty sliver Dollar that I found it can you Give me some advice Thank you My name is David
@CoinHELPu11 ай бұрын
It’s fake. My video tells you all about it.
@petenrita11 ай бұрын
An electrotype of a restrike.
@alaayyad20082 жыл бұрын
I have a 1873 one dollar copy how much is worth
@CoinHELPu2 жыл бұрын
A copy isn't worth anything.
@tonyprieto69383 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for tour if
@sedligsay44834 жыл бұрын
Sir I have 1pcs of 1804 liberty coin I don't know if it gold or bronze
@CoinHELPu4 жыл бұрын
Its fake doesn't matter not worth anything
@chesteraellenwood8010 Жыл бұрын
I have 3 of them want them
@jmmaderas95883 жыл бұрын
I have one how to send to you the picture to check
@CoinHELPu3 жыл бұрын
I don’t accept pictures you can use the help community linked in the description of every video.
@s.mbenzmotors64495 жыл бұрын
Hi mate you're doing a great job, please have you ever heard about coin it's called Iceland summer? is from 16th century but even after that era they keept producing copies I believe I have one but I'm a bit confused about it which is the wild boar faces the opposite way of where it should be please can you help me with some info about it. many thanks
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
Too many fakes to determine based on images. Need to take it or send it to someone in person. Thanks
@s.mbenzmotors64495 жыл бұрын
Many thanks
@user-sc1bf2fk4i2 ай бұрын
I have 2pcs liberty 1804
@venomoussilverback805 жыл бұрын
You have to be joking . I can buy a bunch of these on eBay and sale them all day long
@CoinHELPu5 жыл бұрын
Not these 4 you can't
@arthurvaladez96211 ай бұрын
I have an 1804 copy and it's silver
@lpcsteve5 жыл бұрын
thanks for the info.
@gizmotony12345 жыл бұрын
i am thinking every coin i own is fake and most coins for sale on line are also fake
@KenRivasYonekura3 жыл бұрын
I got a 1804… how can I know if it is a real one?
@CoinHELPu3 жыл бұрын
It's fake, you can't get them or find them. All are well known and in high end collections.
@rantyayao8714 жыл бұрын
Thanks for info😍💯
@PhraSurapon Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤❤ Very good
@princepawar145910 ай бұрын
I have a coin of 1804, silver coin 1
@randyherbrechtsmeier47965 жыл бұрын
You can buy all these Fakes on Alibaba. Makes me Sick
@germangonzalez6109 Жыл бұрын
😅Hi, I think I have form number 16. Could you please help me, is there somewhere I can send you free images?m😅
@CoinHELPu Жыл бұрын
You don’t have it, there’s no number 16.
@TheNayaunglin1232 жыл бұрын
I want sell 1804 silver dollar , in myanmar. I don't know how to show with you.
@CoinHELPu2 жыл бұрын
I am not interested, per the video, all 1804 dollars are in collections. Only 15 exists and no one else has one, so it's not authentic. People made a bunch of fakes.
@neeliecopcopia21813 жыл бұрын
My step father have a coin 1804..
@shekatagani3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@cuauctemoccervantes913 Жыл бұрын
Yo tengo una cuanto bale orita
@anthonybruno91472 жыл бұрын
Ok you say come over here to my website but frankly I can't understand what you're saying that being said what is your web address??
@RoseAnn044 жыл бұрын
I have one coin liberty 1804 here, i dont know if it is legit.
@KyawKyaw-kz9wj Жыл бұрын
We have one thing
@lori39785 жыл бұрын
I was at a antique mall in Ohio and was looking at it these coins you are talking about. I didn’t buy any and thank goodness I didn’t. 😮😮😮 Thank you for going over these coins....
@asrafulakil63013 жыл бұрын
Sir I have a coin from 1804 how can i know if is real or fack
@CoinHELPu3 жыл бұрын
It's fake because it's 1804, you can't just get one somewhere, they're all known and in collections.
@salvadorramirez82153 жыл бұрын
Hola tengo una moneda de ece año
@james45825 жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@asadullahmuhmadi3308 Жыл бұрын
I have this coin original
@jimmycoffey81222 жыл бұрын
How is things going my name jimmy I believe I have found something the you didn’t think was possible can I send you some pictures
@MariaChavez-t3t8 ай бұрын
I have one selver
@SacagaweaCoin4 жыл бұрын
The haters have been accusing me of "counterfeiting" "modifying" my legit discoveries since 2015 when they went on youtube!
@CoinHELPu4 жыл бұрын
Not you again. Just stop blaming everyone else and take your coins to the US Mint and they will tell you what's going on. Do it the right way and stop pointing fingers.
@SacagaweaCoin4 жыл бұрын
@@CoinHELPu The mint said that they are not a grading agency. and not a lot of info being given out under the freedom of information act. Not blaming anyone just thanking the haters for helping me get paid and the truth out of which it is coming out. It is certified and it is interesting and gets a lot of views without paying for spam. The 1st to see the coin were the most reputable error dealers and the largest graders in the country they saw it in Jan of 2001. So they have all known for a long time that its not circulated or counterfeit.
@CoinHELPu4 жыл бұрын
@@SacagaweaCoin I never said anything about the US Mint grading but telling you what transpired during the minting process to cause this to the coin. You're making a larger deal out this for some reason and you are spamming my comments with it all the time. So please stop.