1837 Chasseur Carbine Range Test

Further research has enabled us to guestimate the composition of the cartridges for the 1837 chasseur carbine. We have both the extensively trialed (but never adopted) Brunéel cartridge and the cartridge for the 1840 chasseur carbine, a carbine using the same Delvigne breech, calibre and rifling profile but with a heavier charge.
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[@joemorganeatmyshortschannel]

It's cool to see the cartridges for the system all too often we just see the weapon without the other support gear

[@christopherreed4723]

Barely a quarter of the way in and I'm seeing an unfortunate discrepancy between the *theory* of embedding the primer on the Bruneel cartridge and the *practise* of actually trying to prime a weapon with it. And that's on the range during leisurely reloads. "Monsieur le Général, nous avons un problème..."

[@thebotrchap]

It’s rubbish, hence why it never made it past trials. The Bavarians reinvent the idea 30 years later for the Podewils-Lindner conversion.

[@christopherreed4723]

@@thebotrchap 🤣 The good-idea fairy strikes again.

[@robertl6196]

Nice video. I have a mental image of a factory full of "orphans and widows" rolling a lot of paper cartridges, back in the day,

[@lightweight1974]

Oh, c'mon now! Dickens spoke about this. That's what work houses were for. Can't get yer porridge unless you makes cartridges for the kings men.

[@cameronmccreary4758]

This looks like it's going to be a disaster yeah. After The Chap explained the cartridge, primer and the sabot system; it just looks like a recipe for disaster. Very nice group Chap, on the target for such an old firearm. I would love to see what the inside of that bore looks like.

[@gatlingbert]

Love seeing these old guns come back to life

[@colinarmstrong1892]

Excellent video as always. I wish more people would go to the great lengths you do with research for historical firearms

[@PBJ725]

On second cartridge the patch helping with centering the bullet better makes sense...

[@nicflatterie7772]

Your range is so clean, well maintained, generally nice! The range I have access to is outside, dirty, muddy, old, broken down,

[@simonjones6128]

Impressive hand loading skills chappie loving the technical stuff

[@18robsmith]

Ah, Le Chappie makes fire then smoke, or is smoke from fire? Always great to see how much was involved back in the day when firing a musket. (BTW - was that Buddi sitting in the background for the first half of this video?)

[@thebotrchap]

Yes, they were having some serious 50m pistol competition training 2 lanes over 😅

[@TiglathPileser3]

DOUBLE-CHARGE! Great video.

[@davidbrennan660]

Best mad min footage.

[@mikethomas5510]

I do like to see a happy chap playing with his smoke pole.🙂

[@pmgn8444]

So, a cameo by Budi in the background!

[@LadyAnuB]

I love the chance of a sabot hitting you as well 😅

[@davefellhoelter1343]

Very Cool Very Nice Piece of History!! Love watching History Come BACK! "I Noted" a difference or Inconsistency in the Ramming technique, quantity and force, I thought was an Important component in shaping the ball for riffled accuracy? Keep Your Smoke Poles SMOKING!

[@thebotrchap]

With the round ball it doesn’t matter so much. When I get the pillar breech rifle running I will indeed have to take care since it’s a conical bullet. Regulation 3 hard taps for that.

[@aries_9130]

Great video! Hope YT doesn't bonk you for showing how the cartridges are made..

[@3eightiesopinion524]

Love this stuff. I dont see a while lot of this type of stuff in the US.

[@johnh4957]

Wow, that percussion cap makes enough flame to burn an eye out! Is the outer guard around the nipple for that or just to hold the sabot? I can see that the deep well on the hammer might help contain the caps flame also. surprised they didn't make it so the cap screwed onto the nipple coarsely. I wonder if the 2nd type worked as a gas check, to bad it didn't clean the rifling at the same time

[@thebotrchap]

As explained in the rifle vid the annular recess around the nipple is a cartridge guide.

[@kepanoid]

You are obviously a regular at that range. No-one gives even a slight glimpse in your direction. "Nothing new here." 😄

[@kepanoid]

I take that back. There was one guy who showed a slight interest. For a few seconds.

[@thebotrchap]

Well to be honest once you’ve seen one muzzleloader you’ve seen them all unless you are genuinely interested in the variations which are usually not visible externally.

[@kepanoid]

@@thebotrchap But still, it's a *muzzleloader* with a magnificent flash and bang and a puff of black powder smoke. Oh just another 9mm pistol (or AR), said no-one ever. They are all different. But apparently the muzzleloaders, not so. 🙄 But as I said in my main comment, they all probably know your routine and aren't fazed by it.

[@thebotrchap]

@@kepanoid Yup I’m pretty much the only one doing BP on that range.

[@johnh4957]

@@kepanoid I think he turned on a fan due to the smoke!

[@88porpoise]

Did you guys ever look into multiple audio tracks on one video? I assume the separate French videos hurts the Algorithm's opinion of your stuff by having videos that a lot of your viewers never look at. I saw someone else adding a separate audio track to the same video, so all views are on one video rather than split, and wondered if that might be useful for your channel.

[@thebotrchap]

Interesting idea but I can't see how that would work since what I say and show in French may not be 100% identical and rarely takes the same time. Some things take longer or shorter to say in one language or the other. Syncing would be a PITA. Frankly we get so little back from YT that the algorithms opinion of us is irrelevant.

[@88porpoise]

@@thebotrchap makes sense. I haven't watched any of your French videos since I can understand enough of the language. Just heard it was a new feature and thought I would mention it if it might be helpful. Thanks for all the hard work.

[@ramdynebix]

Has multiple language tracks been released to more than a few of the most prominent KZbinrs? I remember a Tom Scott video but nothing after that…

[@88porpoise]

@@ramdynebix I knoestly have no idea. Just heard about it and thought I would mention it.

[@onpsxmember]

Drinkinig the first of the Christmas beer and a good length chap range trip. A good weekend already. The ram rod is on the move. Nice group. What made you choose to have the loading on here? That screw head...fire up the lathe.

[@thebotrchap]

"What made you choose to have the loading on here?" Sorry no comprendo...

[@jrstoelting]

If you weren’t tearing the paper off before attaching the cap (looks like it was done both ways), could you make a tab on the paper so you hold it with the thumb of the off hand and could tear it away from the cartridge during the capping? So the hole could be larger so the cap would more easily fall out.

[@brianfoster4434]

I heard that Ballistol not only cleans your guns... but is also a good wound disinfectant. :)

[@robertrobert7924]

Maybe I missed somethng: If what you are shooting is considered a carbine, it must be the longest carbine ever used. Is it actually a Dragoon Musket?

[@thebotrchap]

In French terms carbine was typically more dependent on who used it and had very little to do with length or calibre. This rifle is for the chasseurs who ALWAYS have a carbine regardless of length. Cavalry, mounted dragoons and mounted gendarmes will have carbines that are not necessarily short, mounted artillery musketoons etc you get the picture...

[@Goatcha_M]

So... they had the cap in the catridge, but instead of thinking, hmmm. insert cartridge strike, they were use catridge to apply cap, muzzle load. The French, they were so close.

[@YerluvinunclePete]

With the included cap you have to load powder and ball into a primed chamber. Not optimum.

[@thebotrchap]

Sooo exactly like what had been done for at least 200 years before with flintlock cartridges 😉 A half cock notch is a very unreliable safety.

[@YerluvinunclePete]

@@thebotrchap Indeed! But now continuing on in a technology advance that can eliminate the risk entirely.

[@thebotrchap]

@@YerluvinunclePete I’ve explained why they trialed this 😉 The main concern was ease of capping with a wingless cap. Conscripts can be easily replaced 😆

[@YerluvinunclePete]

@@thebotrchap Yes, I see the rationale for the process, I just think it failed on more levels that the "ease of capping" reason that you aptly debunked. The occasional handless conscript may not cost as much as the wasted ammunition, but it's still not optimum. While a sound teachable moment for the others, it costs a rifle and reduces overall efficiency of the unit in its training or action. Best to more the drill away from that sort of risk. When I reacted though, I think it was more over recreating the process today. I'm a patron of the channel, Chap, I think more of your hands than a conscript's.

[@Voelund]

Is that Budi in the background?

[@thebotrchap]

Yup

[@itatane]

That cartridge is a bit of a mad woman's breakfast, isn't it? Good shooting though, Chap.

[@thebotrchap]

Yup. The second one isn’t so bad

[@hermatred572]

Neat

[@onkelmicke9670]

How did it do on the mad minute?

[@bakauf4300]

Issue 2 with the first cartridge, capping then loading. Yikes! One way to get rid of those riflemen, blow off some fingers. 😅

[@thebotrchap]

Errr this was absolutely standard in the flintlock era using cartridges. Prime the pan from the cartridge, stuff the rest down bore. The 1830s is still very much flintlock so it makes sense to try to keep the loading technique as close a possible for troop training purposes. Frankly the most likely thing to happen is the cap falling off the nipple during the loading sequence.

[@stamfordly6463]

@@thebotrchap Wouldn't it have been more usual to prime the pan at half-cock rather than full-cock though ?

[@thebotrchap]

@@stamfordly6463 In theory yes, in practise less so. I have seen many locks where the half-cock notch is an afterthought, which makes it equally dangerous and hard to find. Also with the flint fitted in most cases its hard to prime at half cock because the flint is in the way and its easy to slice your hand open on a corner of it, at least on military flinters. Probably less of an issue on well made civilian guns which tend to have smaller locks with smaller flints.

[@ralphwatten2426]

The Chasseur shoots better than your handgun at the Finnish Brutality match. Henri would have found a file somewhere to take care of that little screw problem.

[@thebotrchap]

Actually they took care of it when production switched from Maubeuge to Châtellerault. The crews heads are then recessed in the lock plate. Ps A BP brutality would be awesome o

[@carlcarlton764]

How do you get away showing the manufacture of ammunition on KZbin? Or is this ammo so obscure that YT doesn't care?

[@thebotrchap]

Maybe doing it as a silent movie does the trick. TBH there’s been no issues with muzzleloader cartridges.

[@carlcarlton764]

@@thebotrchap Brandon got hit hard but he made a video showing the construction and ammo manufacture of a gun recently used in a high profile hit. I guess the 1837 and so on are far enough removed from today's news.

[@LadyAnuB]

It's not brass or steel-cased ammunition but a cartridge of black powder so he's still pouring it down the muzzle just using a measured charged loaded into paper or card stock prior to use

[@duncanandrews1940]

Those screws are nails Chap😎😎😎😎. Seriously though, another great presentation thank you. And that rifle looks in excellent condition, well done.

[@PenStyleProductions]

is the music a megalovania elevator remix?

[@fochdischitt3561]

Best get a fingerless glove so that screw don't eat you up.

[@thebotrchap]

Next time for sure!😁

[@Sman7290]

Did the glue stick the primer to the bottom of the cartridge? It looked like they didn't want to come off.

[@thebotrchap]

Nope I just stuck the tissue paper over the base of the cartridge. The cap is loose in the cavity.

[@Chronosol]

Megalovania?

[@alexcunningham2037]

Yeah I noticed that too. Nice remix version of it lol

[@Sman7290]

Of course. Nothing but the best.

[@gcurggwidence4579]

Snoop Dogg Cartridge

[@cedhome7945]

My range officer would have stopped me shooting if he saw me capping before loading ! Also ramming a steel rod hard when loading a antique gun will eventually damage the rifeling at the muzzle . Please use a modern ramrod as watching you use steel on steel jangles my nerves ! Great to see the reproduction of different cartridge types and the results you achieved 👍

[@thebotrchap]

1: Exception to the rule. You can’t test an original loading technique by not doing it. 2: I wanted to load with the original rod to see the effect on the ball. It has a specific head profile and weight for a reason. Once again I can’t test the original technique if I use other means. That done I can revert to my usual brass tipped plastic coated steel rods.

[@kevlarandchrome]

I can see why they did away with the first pattern of cartridge, quite fiddly. I may have missed, or you may not have mentioned, but what material did you make the sabot out of? I'll look forward to the hundred meter test next year.

[@thebotrchap]

The sabot is Delrin. The material in this case is irrelevant since it plays no roll in transferring spin, it just needs to be strong enough to resist a few whacks

[@kevlarandchrome]

@@thebotrchap Thanks, it looked like either that or nylon. but I couldn't tell from the video.