1842 Ogee H. Welton Clock Clock Restore for Greg #3

Ogee Shelf Clock by H. Welton Restored for Greg.
H. Welton produced Ogee shelf clocks between 1841 and 1845
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James Martin can be contacted at [e-mail] or 509-868-2499

[@Cobesclocks]

Informative, straight to the point, good editing, greatly done repair. 10/10 video

[@shawnhardgrove8517]

This video is great. Fascinated with these older pieces, and also the knowledge and skill of the repairman. Would like to see more of these older clocks.

[@rehorneman]

OMG, MR MARTIN you did it again.How you repaired that old OGEE was amazing. I want to be able to repair old clocks just like you!! I love old cuckoos mainly cuckoo quail clocks. I would love to see you do a cuckoo not a simple Regula but a three weight musical or a Quail. You make it look so simple with a screwdriver and a pair of tweezers.

[@jamesmartin5370]

I have a couple cuckoos lined up but no three weights at the moment.

[@rehorneman]

@@jamesmartin5370 I will be watching for the cuckoo repair videos.

[@randallzook5570]

awesome repair James, thank you

[@jamesmartin5370]

Thanks, amazing the amount of abuse some of these movements have been exposed to in the past...

[@billg125]

Again - nice work James

[@murdoc4794]

Another nice restoration.

[@davestelling]

Enjoyed this a great deal, James. And, learned a few good things. Hope your still practicing. Thank you, & take care.

[@jamesmartin5370]

Thanks Dave.

[@tombarlow6176]

I love to watch you work you do brilliant restoration on these clocked but you repeat your self to many times

[@jamesmartin5370]

Thanks Tom

[@johnsvensson9294]

Thak you for the lession I just found a Jerome clock in my barn, I was going to repair it and now I know how.. Thanx from SWEDEN..

[@jamesmartin5370]

Great! Let me know how it turns out...

[@myqueentitanbug28]

Wow you had your work cut out for you in cleaning and repairing the movement. When placing the hands back onto the clock how do you know where to place the hour hand and minute hand so it chimes correctly?

[@jamesmartin5370]

Hour hands are friction fit, so it can be rotated at any time and it just slides around independent of the hour wheel mounting tube. Minute hand if fitted with square so it is mounted after you test the chime to see where it needs to be.

[@myqueentitanbug28]

@@jamesmartin5370 Oh ok i I understand. The grand father clock i told you about the hour hand spins freeley on the peace that attracts to the tube. I if you apply very light pressure to remove the hand it will not come free. The minutes hand is held on buy a nut. But the nut is missing when i got the clock.

[@bryansmith2649]

The minute hand you pulled off is an “I” shaft battery clock hand. At least they didn’t drill the usual screw hole to attach the Rathbun bushing. Easily removed.

[@jamesmartin5370]

I knew it was too short for the dial, but didn't connect it with and I shaft hand. Great catch.

[@apex5911]

Haha I want that clock! Such a nice time piece!!

[@christianblankenship7683]

Well done sir. Can you please make a video on how you exactly make and install clock bushings. Thank you very much and I look forward to seeing more videos from you.

[@jamesmartin5370]

I have a couple other videos where I show that. There are more than one way to do this, but general rules apply.

[@hortenseplaceg9740]

Master clocksmith !

[@hortenseplaceg9740]

James, I used my Victrola’s needle for the arm pin🙂, it’s works, I cut it shorter with a Dremel .

[@jamesmartin5370]

Great to hear

[@davidkenagy8706]

I had heard that the reason for the “ogee” contour was to set the door (and latch) back from the forward-facing surface of the sides. This allowed more efficient packaging of clocks in a large box for shipping.

[@jamesmartin5370]

Very possible, I have heard that as well, those clocks were shipped to many markets so saving space would have been a large issue. I am not sure where or if its documented any place for the ogee contour. I had also heard that it was the ogee contour that made room for the weights inside.

[@squidben5780]

Wow very nice clock !!!

[@jwad362]

enjoyed this video. I just acquired a clock similar to this and going to attempt a repair. The weight cords need replacing.

[@jamesmartin5370]

All the best luck with it.

[@Brumby-dr4mi]

Nice job!🙂👍

[@kkyykk7042]

Excellent

[@jamesmartin5370]

This was an old one that had been butchered in the past but it turned out to be a fine time keeper.

[@RegiPavan]

How many hours had this clock counted...

[@RegiPavan]

About 1.752.000

[@jeff11030]

Very interesting and informative. I have a Seth Thomas clock that looks exactly like the one shown in this video. It needs cleaning and oil. Is there a product that I can spray on the gears and movement to clean everything without having to take it all apart? I’m not able to take it to a professional clock repair shop. Thank you.

[@jamesmartin5370]

Send me a email and I will give you some inf. on the subject: [e-mail]

[@Cobesclocks]

no it’s not recommended jeff

[@jeff11030]

@@Cobesclocks all fixed and working fine. Keeping perfect time. I cleaned, oiled and installed a new pendulum rod.

[@hahanoname5559]

see the movement shine on 26:49

[@jamesmartin5370]

It was a nice gold gilt movement.

[@tailsdblack463]

Always wanted this type of clock.

[@jeffreywhicker8947]

I am amazed at how there was precision machining tools so long ago to make delicate clocks, etc. way back then. The gears had to be all perfectly machined, and the machine screws were so tiny. It would seem that machinery in the early 1800's would be so coarse, but here is another piece of evidence as to how precise & delicate machinery was made way back then....

[@jamesmartin5370]

I've always been amazed at the ingenuity of the people back then as well. Seems many times history doesn't cover these people responsible for this type of work so have a tendency to get forgotten to history.

[@harryballz6358]

Yep it's amazing what the lack of money will drive a man to achieve, money didn't come easy back in those days. I'll add: "And Boredom" The lack of a TV taking up free time also motivated man better back then..lol

[@halnwheels]

@@harryballz6358or KZbin for that matter!

[@gialy8620]

Hi Mr. Martin, I'm having a hard time finding a repair person in my area, hoping you can offer some advice. I have a Tempus Figit wall mounted clock -31 days that I recently acquired. The winding mechanism seems tight and resistant to turn with the key. The clock will run and chime for a few hours when I swing the pendulum. Can you offer any recommendations? Thanks much.

[@jamesmartin5370]

To my knowledge Tempus Fugit is not a brand or type of clock. Tempus Fugit is Latin for “time flies.” Its a motto, clock companies started adding to clocks sometime in the 1940s. However it sounds like it might be possible the winding arbor may need some lubrication where it goes through the barrel or mainspring may need cleaning and fresh lubrication, not 100% sure, its a starting area, and you will need to start trouble shooting to find the source. If it only works for several hours and mainspring winds stiff, sounds like the source is in the mainspring area.

[@gialy8620]

@@jamesmartin5370 thank you kindly. Will start there.

[@MarkSWilliams27]

James. Love your videos. But, it's pronounced O-G. Not ooo gee. (Like ooo and ahh.) An ogee moulding was a Roman shape and hence the name of these.

[@jamesmartin5370]

Always wondered why some people look at me odd when I say it. LOL Thanks

[@xtbuff1008]

And the Romans stole it from the Greeks.

[@richardheuer6523]

I've watched several of your videos. I like your work ethic and precision. I have a miniature Vienna regulator (33 inch). Is there a chance you could repair? How do I contact you?

[@bwhog]

So how many of these sorts of repairs like you see on that governor do you think are the dregs of the watch repair business vs owners trying to do their own fixes without the proper understanding of what they are doing? My bet here is that the chime was being run with a heavy weight and they put these extra leaves on it to try to compensate for that so the chime would slow down. I say that because I have a Seth Thomas where the original weights were replaced by sawn steel square billets with bits of nail material MIG welded to them for hook loops. Each weighs 4.5 pounds and, at that weight, the interval between chimes was maybe a half a second. Quite unnerving to listen to! And, because of the heavy weight, the ticking was also a fair bit louder than it should have been and doubtlessly was also adding wear to everything. Side note... "Ogee" is said "oh gee". It specifically describes the "S" shape of that curve on the front. Weir dams often have that shape to smooth the flow of water over it, and it appears in a few other areas as well.

[@jamesmartin5370]

I agree, owner or local blacksmith may have done this repair. Back when these clocks were made, there were many isolated farm homes. For many, it was a one or two day trip on a horse to the nearest town. Many towns had no watch or clockmaker, so many of these clocks were fixed by the homeowner or taken to the local blacksmith. LOL I have always had issues pronouncing certain words.

[@bwhog]

@@jamesmartin5370 Another note... my clock has the same trunion pin wear that the one in this video did, though not as bad and is still serviceable. I take this as another sign of excess weight.

[@jordanrenaud-pq7rx]

Shame the hammer is 'on the rise' at end of striking sequence....but sometimes its just impossible to avoid.

[@johnbrodehl9743]

Terrible what gets done with these old movements.

[@jamesmartin5370]

Not all, but a lot of these clocks were in homes that were in very remote areas of the country. Some homes had dirt floors, conditions not good for a movement. No facilities for several days ride on a horse, so probably last thing they wanted to be packing around was a clock. When their clock stopped, some were terribly tinkered with. A lot of these old clocks were kept going by home owners who had limited and primitive tools on hand.

[@xtbuff1008]

I fix clocks, too. Pretty good good work on and old piece. It's "circa" and not "crica", by the way.

[@jamesmartin5370]

Thanks Richard

[@greggreg126]

For me? 😊

[@harryballz6358]

Amazing how bad the inside/guts were yet outside its fantastic for its age! Unless the owner has an ultrasound machine to clean the timer dial idk if it will really match the rest so good thing its hidden?.lol

[@jamesmartin5370]

yep, just talked to the owner 6 months ago, its still working and keeping time....

[@glennreese4052]

Where did they find nylon 180 years ago

[@gagatube]

I believe 180 years ago Nylon was called catgut...😉

[@Cobesclocks]

Looks like it’s almost due for service again by looking at the date this video was made

[@jamesmartin5370]

Yep.

[@davidmills1874]

Mr. Martin first I'd like to say you got some of the best videos. now to my dilemma. I have an OG clot it's missing The Verge plate pin The Verge and the Pendulum rod. And I have a the Ingram mantel clock with the corner of The Verge broke off I don't know if it's one that goes straight up or if they've been back maybe you could do a video on how to get the right parts and how to bend those wires in the right spots or does that matter for the placement of the foot

[@jamesmartin5370]

Can you send me a couple of images to me to take a closer look at: [e-mail]

[@ПашаПитецкий]

Дякую вам за працю 😊❤

[@DavoShed]

Wow a clock came in today and you are on it already. My local clock shop wants to keep my clock for 8 months before they even touch mine. Shame your on the other side of the planet 🤠

[@jamesmartin5370]

Thanks Dave..

[@DavoShed]

@@jamesmartin5370 Nice to watch someone who knows what they are doing and takes care with their work. To be fair the guy at the shop said “Kevin” works on these. He does one per day and he has a bit of a backlog. We are really missing the hourly strike at home. I bought a very similar non running clock off the net fairly cheap. I’ll see if I can get it going and learn some new skills. It can be our stand by until my Grandfather’s clock comes home. Thanks again for your effort making videos. 🤠

[@sketchartist1964]

Just purchased a clock like this one at a local antique shop but it needs repair. It seems to have all the parts but it didn't come with winding keys.

[@jamesmartin5370]

The cranks are fairly easy to find. Ebay has a lot of new and old ones, or you could make your own if you have correct size key blank to work with.

[@jembo1959]

Hi James just watched this video on my TV and again I have to say your a master. I have three clocks to repair but only learning I have repaired a few pocket watches and repaired a spring in a Goliath watch. But like the clocks more I have a Japy Freres and a Remus rack and snail 8 day to strip and clean. I'll keep watching your videos and thanks for all the tips there priceless.

[@jamesmartin5370]

Hope they help out...

[@saisamayseva8712]

Nice work.You have justified your knowledge. Keep it up.Good going .Thanks..All the best.

[@jamesmartin5370]

Thank You

[@aaronmoore4795]

Hello! What keeps the suspension spring from just sliding out of the channel once the weight of the pendulum is on it? Just that little notch at the very top of it? Thanks!

[@jamesmartin5370]

Yes,. In this one there is a small pin hole punched through the spring material, hole is punched with a sharp pointed punch and left unfinished so creates an interference fit with the channel. I have seen some that have had a piece of small wire inserted through the hole to keep it from sliding out.

[@max.m.8873]

Great work 🥰👍👏💪

[@johnbrodehl9743]

Looks like a 30 hour movement.

[@halnwheels]

I really enjoyed watching this video as I have a very similar clock by Seth Thomas. After researching some years ago, I also put this clock at around 1845 or so. Mine is a 30 hour clock without the alarm function. There is no cutout in the dial for the alarm ring, so it never had one. The dial of mine uses the same rotating pins to hold it in, but the dial is simply a metal plate with no wooden backing. My clock also uses the exact same wooden block with a slot that the top of the back plate slides into. The bottom of the movement also sits on a similar shelf using J-hooks and someone also used small nails to hold it in place on one side. Since the other side still had a wood wedge, I fashioned one just like it for the other side. I noticed that your clock still had the original paper with the maker which also indicated the city of Terryville as the place of manufacturer. Terryville refers to Eli Terry, whose movement design were copied by Seth Thomas and apparently this maker too. Seth Thomas worked for Eli Terry and may have bought out his factory, but I see references that Welton did the same. I'm not sure what the truth is. Anyway, I enjoy many of your videos and will watch them as they appear. Thank you.

[@jamesmartin5370]

Thank You, amazing how many years some of these old clocks have survived.

[@edwardjarmolowicz]

nice

[@e.scottdaugherty8291]

Beautiful work, outstanding job.

[@e.scottdaugherty8291]

Obviously whoever worked on this beastie went to the "Bigger the gob, better the job school".

[@jamesmartin5370]

The worse gobbed jobs I have seen, worse part is, they were probably proud of it.

[@icemancometh8679]

I see where you restore different kinds of clocks and so I wondered if you happened to have run across mine. I'm looking for a Takano wall clock that is made of dark wood - ebony? It has grooves going down the body of it vertically and little beads of wood as detail - kind of scalloped at the top and bottom and has a tan colored face. It doesn't say Takano - it has a maker's mark. I tried to buy it on eBay and lost. Wonder where I can find another one - maybe a book? I had a photo of it but lost it due to a phone quitting on me.

[@jamesmartin5370]

Not seen any like yours, those have nice Japanese movements in them

[@flash4sandm]

Wondering how much $ you charged for the restoration of this clock.

[@Cobesclocks]

Around 200-300 dollars

[@حيدرحيدر-غ8ق5غ]

أجواء ورشة التصليح خرافية ❤

[@jamesmartin5370]

شكرًا لك

[@thegrassyknoll7792]

I would call this a fine collection of Mickey mouse repairs 🫣😁