1886 : When Judo CRUSHED Japanese Jujutsu

[@Chadi]

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[@Chadi]

I go into more details in this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYPEmZqaocZqZtk

[@ReddKumaJaxon]

Damn bro have missed so many of your awesome video's sorry!!! I just realized i didn't have notifications on!

[@Chadi]

@@ReddKumaJaxon no worries, enjoy the content

[@Chadi]

@angel666 thank you

[@mothergoose4231]

my guy i didn't actually watch the vid but to say Judo overthrew Jap JJ, is like saying the tires on a truck overthrew the engine. Judo is a political repercussion of dissecting JJ and was the only form of Jap JJ allowed regulated by the govt. Judo is Jap JJ, they need each other. throws, joint locks and choke holds. why would you seperate them? They had to legally, so this was able to be practiced legally without the newly formed govt having an issue with it.

[@ThePsychoguy]

One thing I always postulated was that judo wasn’t necessarily “superior” but was more evolved for the modern era. Old systems were mainly built to complement swordsmanship and melee weaponry. So things like ground fighting and other nuances of unarmed combat never developed to a great extent. Whereas the newer judo was specifically built for unarmed fighting. Thoughts?

[@Chadi]

Judo has also the intellectual aspect to it

[@jedijudoka]

Since judo is comprised of techniques of jujutsu, what I believe is superior is the training method. Judo emphasizes randori and resistance to ensure your techniques will work against an assailant. Jujutsu has too many pre coreocraphed techniques with minimal resistance, which in my opinion violates Seiryoku zenyo because it’s not the most efficient way to train and yield results. And for fun, check out kime no kata and Kodokan goshin jitsu and you’ll see judo did have some answers for armed assailants! Again, you don’t see that much though because of judos emphasis on randori and shiai

[@hoop6988]

You can use judo with a sword.

[@thunderflower7998]

@@Chadi what exactly do you mean??

[@minorityofone1510]

Some Jiu Jitsu was designed for fighting an opponent in battle armour. More modern styles (eg Fusen) adapted techniques for street self defence. Judo comes from jiu Jitsu and is generally without the JJ techniques that maim or kill an opponent. Judo is still an effective martial art though. I did hear that the contest was under Judo rules - which automatically hampered the effectiveness of jiu jitsu.

[@junheceta268]

Thank for you sharing this! Too few people--even in Judo--know of this watershed event, which was a "do-or-die" proposition for the Kodokan. Had they not done so well, Kodokan Judo would have faded into obscurity. Incidentally, Saigo left the Kodokan to spare Kano-shihan from embarrassment because he had gotten into a brawl with some men, whom he defeated, while Prof. Kano was away. Unfortunately, one or two of those men turned out to be police officers. Saigo relocated to Nagasaki and stopped training in Judo altogether. However, following Saigo's death, Prof. Kano promoted him posthumously to 6th Dan.

[@Chadi]

Thank you! Shiro Saigo video where i discuss him kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3THfYZoatGbd9k

[@LP_APUgamer]

Could you please show the history of the Japanese JJ, Judo and Brazilian JJ in a simple and maybe illustrated/animated video and how different/similar they are from each other helping people choose the style they want to go for. Hope you don't mind suggestions :) Thank you and keep it up with the great work!

[@Chadi]

That's a great idea

[@markermemer6010]

brazilian jj came from judo, judo came from Japanese jj

[@niccolacastagnino9639]

No existe el BJJ, dejen de inventar y copiar algo que los gracie hicieron !!! 🤢

[@NoRockinMansLand]

Jujutsu = father Judo = son BJJ = grandson

[@davidlazarus4198]

Love this channel. History of Judo is fascinating. There is some controversy over the 1886 challenge match. Some sources (from what i have read on the internet) say it may not have occurred. I would personally like to explore this historical event more, as it is something i have read about in many books.

[@Zombie_Longwinger]

High level Judo is basically Japanese Jujutsu once you’ve reached black belt and you’ve learnt the basics that’s when you really learn,

[@bobronsons5780]

Lol

[@markjudge4255]

Great video however you failed to mention that Saigo Shiro was well trained in Oshikiuchi or Daito- ryu Aikijujitsu and the throw Yama Arashi (from Daito ryu) utilized a standing joint lock. Other than that a great presentation of the early years of Kodokan Judo.

[@pullinside9]

According to Dr. Erwin Baelz, a personal physician to the the Japanese Imperial family, who lived in Japan between1876-1905, Kano and the college students were no match for Totsuka and his students. Dr Bael wrote: " Meanwhile, however, some of the students and ex-students of the university had taken up Jujutsu. The young professor Kano was especially active in the matter, and to him the renewed popularization of the old sport is especially due. He and his comrades were at length successful in inducing the university authorities to summon the jujutsu expert from Chiba and a great jujutsu contest took place. This made it clear how much training is needed to learn the art, for all the young men who had been working at it in Tokyo, not one, not even Kano, could cope with the police officers who had been trained by Totsuka in Chiba" The quote above can be found in the book Awakening Japan (p.74) written by Dr. Baelz. Book was published in 1935.

[@AndSendMe]

This is pretty important context for any takeaways from the competition discussed in the video. I'm surprised no one has commented on it.

[@pullinside9]

@@AndSendMe No one has commented since it's not the myth they believed in. :)

[@AndSendMe]

@@pullinside9 ...and perhaps they don't love arguing as if it were chocolate, the way some fans of other martial arts do. ;)

[@EthanNoble]

This doesn’t contradict anything in the video

[@Heavenfound]

Judo is The Principle, the very core not just of a jujitsu, but of all Japanese koryu. It's moving force can never be comprehend completely by the opponent with other principles or ways than "JU".

[@stevezy4772]

It was Jujutsu versus Jujutsu. Kano just happened to bring a lot of good guys to his side because they believed in his vision.

[@christossaripanidis274]

Thank you Chadi for this Great! channel & all the quality info you provide. In deed, yours(along with Ruchas channel) are exceptional ! Keep on the good work.:) Thanks again

[@budisutanto5987]

Good rare video & presentation. Also slight difference philosophy : Judo strive to use opponent strength to gain advantage. For example, when opponent throw, to counter it, instead of resisting with opposite vector, jump/throw own body to a better position.

[@Chadi]

Thanks for sharing!

[@pedrochanganaqui1623]

So Jujutsu is kinda about the exact opposite,i should guess...

[@laughingvampire7555]

underrated channel!!!!

[@jammyface3041]

The information in this video is incorrect and very biased. We must remember that Kano never said that he created something new and in fact he always stated that Judo is Jujitsu. The main reason he created Judo was because so many people were dying or suffering massive injuries training jujitsu especially in the matches they held in Japan. He wanted to make it safer to train so he removed a lot of the very lethal techniques and also the striking for the most part and made it friendlier and more gentle. He got tired of hearing people speak so negatively about Jujitsu and the students of it calling it unnecessarily brutal and a blood sport. Jujitsu took on a very ugly reputation for a long time in Japan and it started to die down, so Kano wanted to save it from its ugly reputation and make a more peaceful form of Jujitsu. At first he even called it by its name and just put his name over it, “Kano Jujitsu” but it was still received with negativity because of the name so he found a way to still keep the name and meaning of it but slightly changed it. Judo is the gentle way, and Jujitsu is the gentle art. It’s all Jujitsu and Kano always kalled him self a Jujitsuka. He simply utilized certain techniques and discarded others. Judo is Jujitsu though.

[@Chadi]

Thank you for your insight!

[@jammyface3041]

Yes sir. And remember, those matches you spoke of in your video were fought with Judo federation rules and restrictions, but true Jujitsu has no rules and that’s why so many people died and were seriously injured in the time this was all going on. That’s like putting a muzzle on a dog and sending it to fight another dog. Same thing goes for BJJ. Modern BJJ has become a cult and a sport, and the practitioners swear by it saying that no student of Judo or Japanese Jujitsu stands a chance against even a Blue belt in BJJ because it’s so superior, and you see competitions where BJJ students beat Judo and Japanese Jujitsu all the time(and vice versa also) but the BJJ tournaments are fought with loads of restrictions and ironically even Judo has less restrictions than BJJ most of the time. Turn the tables and put a BJJ student in a Judo tournament, or even worse a real full contact Japanese Jujitsu tournament and they will get annihilated. Japanese Jujitsu tournaments leave the contestants with broken noses, bloody ears and cuts on the face, concussions, and even broken bones. It’s brutal. It’s street self defense that still works today. Judo does too, but if we are completely honest with ourselves Jujitsu is a bigger dog without a muzzle. Truly in a no holds bar full contact fight, Judo can’t win. It is Jujitsu, but only part. It’s incomplete and that is why it is a sport now. You don’t see self defense Judo schools anywhere, but there is self defense Jujitsu all over and it’s brutally effective. Anyways, thanks for the video, and please take this into consideration when making videos like this one. And please don’t be offended my friend. I happen to favor Judo because I’m a peaceful Christian and don’t want to punch anyone’s teeth out, but I’m a Blue belt in Japanese Goshin newaza Jujitsu and if I need to punch someone’s teeth out I’m trained to do so😋. Thanks again my friend

[@Chadi]

@@jammyface3041 i also talk about this too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYPEmZqaocZqZtk

[@silverbear8135]

Well said

[@jamalesis]

FACTS, THANK YOU

[@royksk]

I’ve always been given to understand that judo techniques were taken from jujitsu to enable it to develop as a sport based system rather than combative. This video doesn’t change my opinion and I believe that if equally proficient exponents were matched in a fight, jiu jitsu would prevail because it has more efficient disabling techniques.

[@colemancalgary5260]

Obviously you know nothing about martial arts!

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@colemancalgary5260 No he is correct. In a no holds barred match, JuJutsu would win. Cuz of how aggressive and brutal it is. JuJutsu was used and made for warfare since the 17th century.

[@jpbm1873]

@@Shadowrulzalways Without rules Kodokan Judo and Jujutsu practicioners would be using the same exact deadly techniques however since Judo focuses a lot more on grappling and ground fighting, a good judoka should have the advantage over any Jujutsu practicioner.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@jpbm1873 Wrong. In fact JuJutsuka beaten many Kodokan Judo users by using ground game against them.

[@jpbm1873]

@@Shadowrulzalways Wrong what? Many doesn't say much unless you give me statistics wich I have no doubt should be in favor of judokas since it is the most effective martial art of the two as it focuses more on grappling, has an unified cohesive system as opposed to the various styles that fall under the Jujutsu umbrella and let's face it Jujutsu is extremely ineffective in real fights since it's transmitted through Kata while Judo focuses on randori wich are 1vs 1 matches and that combat experience can be translated to real world scenarios in wich you actually need to use Judo for self-defense.

[@katahajimeudegarame2397]

"crushed " is a strong word. i guess is easy to forget sensei Mataemon Tanabe

[@MrJihadkoplo]

what makes judo far more superior then traditional jiujitsu?

[@jujitusuka]

The story I’d heard was that many of those taking part for ‘Judo’ were previously trained in in Jujitsu and that those jujitsuka defeated were defeated using some jujitsu techniques....don’t know where I read this or how much truth there is in it....

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

Most judo techniques are all came from japanese jujutsu. Jigoro Kano throw away all the deadly techniques so his student could spar and pressure test their techniques all the time. That's why other japanese jujutsu schools can't compete with Judo guys, since they can't spar with their "deadly techniques" and they only drills everyday

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@jaketheasianguy3307 Chadi just confirmed in the video, that JuJutsuka do pressure test their techniques.

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

@@Shadowrulzalways yea, not enough or they only think about pressure testing their stuffs after that tournament in 1886

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@jaketheasianguy3307 They still pressure test to this day. All that nonsense they say that they only do “kata”, it’s just a bullshit excuse. Because there’s no factual element behind it.

[@yawaragirl]

I was lead to believe that Kano's team was loaded with many great Kito Ryu men that had many years experience in Kito Ryu but had followed Kano into Judo ,I would love to know more about this .I have been doing Kito Ryu since the early 80s and had studied Judo prior I am also a BB in BJJ but I do know there are a lot of mistruths regarding who did what as I know you do also some similar mistruths from when Judo began ,I would really like to know more about that early history PS thank you for you Video's and your research

[@Chadi]

Thank you! Yes the 4 guardians of the kodokan were also skilled Jujutsu as well also there is folklore regarding the kodokan totsuka rivalry.

[@Chadi]

More details on this rivalry kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZPciGBrpbOLpK8

[@yawaragirl]

@@Chadi Thank you Do you much about the Kito Ryu History ?

[@Chadi]

@@yawaragirl yes a bit kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpi2fHR8fdeDetU

[@nezperce2767]

Judo has wit inspiration imagination in it. Technique stamina swiftness reflex is also required

[@petereriksson6760]

I used to train Japanese Jujutsu in Sweden a long time ago. Reading the history it seems to have come to Sweden in 1905. I am not sure how much it changed over the years and which school the style taught in Sweden was originally but it sort of looks like a blend of Judo and Karate. That is, it looks to me that Judo is Jujutsu but with the striking aspects removed, much like BJJ is Judo but removed the throwing aspects. Removed might be the wrong way to describe it, perhaps it is better to describe it as if the other techniques remained but was ignored. Many of our better practitioners cross-trained either Judo or Karate if they wanted to improve that aspect of their ‘game’. I think the various arts change a lot with how and if they have competition. We had straight punches to the face but this was not allowed in competition where you could only punch with the back-hand to the face. This rule had the side-effect that many were not very good at punching. My instructor left the national organization as a result of this and formed his own style where the Karate aspect was replaced with what looks like standard kick-boxing combined with Judo. We always trained the newaza (floor game). From this video I can’t help wondering if it was Judo that won or if it was the tournament rules that favored the judo techniques or if the technique was better pressure tested by the Judokas in comparison to the jujutsu practitioners.

[@vysakhps8093]

Very informative pal

[@WakeRunSleep]

7:06 why don’t we ever see this move?

[@TravelNakisa]

Thank you so much for this video. Really interesting. I am going to watch the movie

[@Chadi]

My pleasure

[@williampeckham9838]

I study Ryo shinto Ryu. I can understand how judo could overpower it. But it's really fun, and I get fewer injuries than when I did judo.

[@Dante-fk3ku]

Many of the judo guys were from jujutsu. They changed over

[@L.C1993]

Chadi I hope all is well. Does Japanese jujutsu and judo both the same within atemi waza and newaza? Or judo has more newaza?

[@SamuelZamora]

That was an interesting story! Thanks

[@yongjiean9980]

Fyi - Judo was once known as Kano Jujutsu. A style of Jujutsu by Professor Kano

[@neverestrella]

Nice job,thanks You.

[@muntedme203]

Shuai Jiao and other chinese martusl arts have all the judo moves and much more. The japanese imported chinese martial arts.

[@filipinosatisfied6039]

Judo crushed japanese jujutsu because probably they have rules in their demonstration

[@rogerwilliams2629]

No hyperbole..Chadi, I believe you are becoming one if the most important Judoka. Your content is so very good, as is your character, which comes through. I mean that, what a wonderful channel of great information. My tokuinage is Yama arashi!!

[@Chadi]

Thank you very much🙇🏻‍♂️

[@jungleghostsurvival]

My Sensei was trained by Toshitaka Yamauchi who was a student of Master Sensei Jigoro Kano

[@johnriddington9514]

Everything I've read or heard about this challenge match seems like it was fought to 'Judo rules'. Zero mention of strikes, (small) joint locks, and other nasty techniques that are a part of Jujutsu but not Judo. Victories seem to be by throw or choke. Actually, there's a mention on the Wiki that challenge matches often ended in serious injury or death in that time period, but the Tokyo Police didn't want that. So that would seem to reinforce the match being played by safer Judo rules. Was Judo which focussed on being safer and not brutally murdering opponents the better martial art for the Police? Hahaha yes!

[@justinreason2040]

I read that the only ju jutsu that beat judo in these club matches was Fusen Rye that concentrated on the ground. Judo ka were taught this style then fusen rye became obsolete because of judos popularity

[@DerghamIbnMsr]

thanks for your content I like it , but from your experience Mr. Chadi what is better for MMA Fighter learn Judo or BJJ ?

[@anthonyjulianelle6695]

Who is the man at the end of the video; all dressed up with a hat and tossing his assailants about?

[@richmann2264]

SO... Whassup with that competition?! It looked like a polite chess match - “I TELEGRAPH this strike, come in and leave my hand out for you to counter with a technique I go along with, then I counter with a technique you go along with, until CHECKMATE?!?”

[@patrickfowler590]

The video is a little misleading. There were hundreds of styles of jiujitsu in Japan during the Meiji Restoration, all with varying degrees of ground, throws, striking, off balancing. Even Kano from two completely different schools of jiujitsu. To say judo was superior to jiujitsu is an argument that is fundamentally flawed. PS In Kurosawa's Sugata Sanshiro part II, the Karateka represent Mataemon Tanabe, even though Tanabe's was a jiujitsuka and their styles were completely different.

[@luisphilipesilva]

Beside all that we have to remember that those matches were made with judo rules, only grappling and throws were allowed no Atemi-waza was permitted no punches and kicks, no Koppojutsu and no Kosshijutsu, witch are part of most Jujutsu schools . . So judo could use all the art but Ju-jutsu could only use half of it. .. It should be art vs art no rules bare hands fighting to know who's best ... like they did in Brazil with jiu-jitsu in vale tudo fights. ..

[@jammyface3041]

Another thing to remember about this whole thing is that Kano never said that he created something new and in fact always stated that Judo is Jujitsu. The main reason he created Judo was because so many people were dying or suffering massive injuries training jujitsu especially in the matches they held in Japan. He wanted to make it safer to train so he removed a lot of the very lethal techniques and also the striking for the most part and made it friendlier and more gentle. He got tired of hearing people speak so negatively about Jujitsu and the students of it calling it unnecessarily brutal and a blood sport. Jujitsu took on a very ugly reputation for a long time in Japan and it started to die down, so Kano wanted to save it from its ugly reputation and make a more peaceful form of Jujitsu. At first he even called it by its name and just put his name over it, “Kano Jujitsu” but it was still received with negativity because of the name so he found a way to still keep the name and meaning of it but slightly changed it. Judo is the gentle way, and Jujitsu is the gentle art. It’s all Jujitsu and Kano always kalled him self a Jujitsuka. He simply utilized certain techniques and discarded others. Judo is Jujitsu though.

[@PARR53]

LUIS FILIPE Silva exactly. I love Judo but they wouldn’t have “crushed” old style Jujutsu that easily had their been no rules. I hate hearing that story because it’s an out right false narrative lie. Kano knew that by making these fights Judo rules matches his students would most certainly win. The older styles are battlefield arts not sports. They are ment to seriously injure or kill the opponent. Completely different ball game.

[@スコブル-u9n]

Tanabe = Fusenryu Jiujitu player. Fusenryu style = newaza only.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@jammyface3041 Facts bro. You spoken the right facts.

[@Kamabushi999]

I saw the movie Judo Saga The thing that you are omitting is that the matches prohibited strikes. it was set up so that judo would be victorious. Like the initial BJJ matches initially set up so Gracie would win. Real jujitsu has many strikes indeed some throws are done with the strike. I am a 3 rd Dan in Judo and I practice changing the Judo throws back to the jujutsu ways to make it effective i a real fight situation. I good ukemi practitioner can get up after being throw by Judoka not true in jujutsu I suspect the Judo like now was more accustomed to randori than the other schools due to the danger of death Once the rules were established Judo had the advantage. It was all political. The advantage that judo has it that it can be practiced at full speed with minimum danger that what Kano did by cleaning it up. Once the students masters speed then the lethal stuff from jujutsu can be added. When you throw by breaking an arm it is very dangerous to go full speed That match was very political. I have a copy of the movie done in 1960,s. there a few remakes. no martial artist is complete without practicing nagewaza at full speed and that was kano’s greatest contribution .

[@laziziredouane913]

Thank you

[@ArnelFranzuela]

Japanese jujutsu? Next we are going to have Japanese sushi.

[@darrenmenditto2416]

Judo was formed to make a battlefield hand to hand combat system into a sport not to make jujutsu “more effective”

[@ronki23]

There's no sparring in Japanese Ju Jitsu while there is in Judo; that is why Judo won. If you look at MMA, traditional Ju Jitsu is icing on the cake: it makes the cake better but you can't eat only icing and you can do without it.

[@dechannel7109]

Really?? Its combative art not a sport. You know nothing about JJJ.

[@ronki23]

I got halfway to black belt in Ju Jitsu

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@ronki23 JJJ does spar or at least in did during the 17th century and onwards. Cuz it was used in warfare and in order for that to have worked for the samurai, they had to have sparred. The reason why they don’t spar with JJJ today is because Japan outlawed the use of the style then. And Judo was deemed an appropriate way of self-defense as it’s not as aggressive. But now a days you can spar with JJJ. But most school prefer pressure testing it instead cuz they wanna avoid hurting other students. It’s mostly for liability.

[@ronki23]

@@kakuto435 I wasn't talking about BJJ

[@ronki23]

@@kakuto435 for the most part that is true. But Carlos Newton and Michael Bisping did Japanese Ju Jitsu and were in the UFC. Even Fabricio Werdum did it. Maybe they don't use techniques exclusive to Japanese Ju Jitsu but they use rear naked chokes, triangle chokes, armbars, shoulder locks, sweeps, shoulder throws and hip throws. My Japanese Ju Jitsu club was on a Wednesday which gave me the option to train in it alongside kickboxing on a Tuesday and judo on a Friday ; even when I trained MMA I still had the option to do Japanese Ju Jitsu on a Wednesday as MMA at the time was on Monday and Thursday. I don't train anymore: quit long before Covid-19 !

[@Rabid_Wolverine]

Great video!

[@Chadi]

Thank you!

[@tonis563]

How wild imagination one must have to believe that 22yo boy in only 5 years developed a system "far more superior" that what real fighters on battlefield developed in 500 years?

[@badtothebone7613]

"Quote on quote masters"

[@bunkaiking]

It was also a judoka who taught the Gracie family in Brazil. And a judoka who beat helio Gracie in Brazil much years later.

[@Chadi]

Already covered on my channel

[@lunam7249]

Correct

[@clackamasoneful]

All Kano did was throw out what he deemed as too dangerous to go 100%. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has shown the Judo tradition of continuously throwing out effective and not overly dangerous techniques has put Judo in a compromised position. Credit though for encouraging live rolling which wasn't the norm prior to Kano.

[@gerrekurquidez3044]

Umm, judo is a part of the jujutsu branch, along with aikido and sumojutsu. Same goes for taido and karate in the taijutsu branch as well.

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

Omg this music again😱..... my...... ears........ dead. 😂

[@Chadi]

Sorry man 😂

[@Tbonetiger21]

I have a copy of Judo story part 1 and part 2 loved that movie

[@Leopar525]

Wow I was looking for this video! Thanks Chadi, I wanted to know how come Judo overcame Ju-jitsu in Japan

[@pichetkullavanijaya6908]

Sad day for Tradition speaking a Traditional Japanese Jiujitsu practitioner

[@joaovitormendes8904]

Judo never crushed jujutsu

[@raywheeler6822]

"FAR MORE SUPERIOR"...Comes off kinda harsh. Especially now

[@rafaelsantana1707]

Question why the walk slow an the move is like dance went the white judoka go close to kano ? He yes go nest to hen and then grave he hip and straight he leg 🦵 🤔 like a dance to me i don't see any related form I like judo yes but why they do thad move

[@silversurfer9019]

I know one thing for sure, your vids are giving me an education on Judo

[@Chadi]

I'm also learning, i do research and read upon subjects, this channel is about learning and seeking truth.

[@ottonilssen1533]

So called "Japanese jujutsu" never existed as a martial art - but is a generic term that covers hundreds of heterogenous martial art styles. Kodokan judo when it appeared was "japanese jujutsu" as well...

[@AlCloutier]

Incorrect. Kano created a sport. Traditional Jujutsu was originally for the battlefield and would often employ weaponry. You cannot compare these two things.

[@JohnBullard]

I have seen THE JUDO SAGA parts 1 and 2. Wonderful movies by Akira Kurosawa.

[@utubelittlebagofeverything5844]

Judo is great but it’s not far more effective than Japanese Jujitsu. In France, under the French Federation of Judo, there is a discipline called Atemi Jujitsu. Many practionners of Atemi Jujitsu also trained in Judo, and the majority will tell you that in a self defense situation, AJJ is far superior to Judo. It doesn’t mean that Judo is useless in self defense. It’s steal pretty effective. But AJJ or Gracie JJ ( combative concepts) are more effective. Nippon kenpo is also very effective in the streets.

[@Moodymongul]

I was always told this 'fight' between Judo and Jiu jitsu was decided BEFORE the matches. Something to do with Judo being the style promoted by the government/military at that time. Not that I have evidence of that ..but it must have been hard for Jiu jitsu to be in a 'competition' rather than a real life or death struggle :) But who knows, evidence is pretty sparse on the ground (is that lack of evidence by design I wonder?)

[@Chadi]

Perhaps, but Tanabe a jiu jitsu master beat kodokan judokas later on

[@jjs3890]

That’s a good point. Jujutsu fighters had to remove a lot of their techniques and methods to facilitate the judo rules. Jujutsu was never ment for competition. But during this time there were also no more samurai. Thugs and criminals were the main people interested in fighting. It’s just not the same.

[@mogwaiman6048]

Because Japanese Jiu Jitsu is a combatives system. It's not meant for sports like Judo and BJJ are.

[@Gieszkanne]

I once read that it wasnt his system Judo what was superior. His best fighters came from Jiu Jitsu and were just good fighters. This had nothing to do with Judo.

[@mogwaiman6048]

Judo is just the sport version of Japanese Jiu Jitsu.

[@mogwaiman6048]

@@benbudin As they should be able to. BJJ was also designed for sports. I'm not saying one is better than the other.

[@jedijudoka]

I’d say more modernized than sport, even though since 1964 it’s been a sport. It’s arguably much more effective for self defense because of the emphasis on sparring and live training. When Kano developed judo he said it had 3 purposes: to cultivate productive and moral citizens, fitness, and self defense. The idea of making it a sport came later.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@jedijudoka Yeah. But JJJ sparred too. Cuz it was used on the battlefield for warfare. Kano felt that JuJutsu was too aggressive and dirty for the then growing modern Japan. In fact, Kano said Judo is still JuJutsu. Just not as aggressive and safer.

[@jedijudoka]

@@Shadowrulzalways if they used to then at least somewhere along the line they stopped randori. It’s safer so that the participants can randori and train full speed/force thus making it more effective. Take a look at jjj and you will have a very difficult time finding randori videos. They’re one in a million

[@jamalesis]

@Chadi Kano system of judo wasn't a question of judo being superior to jujutsu. Kano revamp jujutsu because it was frowned upon, at the time by the elites as a un safe form of martial arts that was predominantly use by gangsters of the time. further more JUDO is jujutsu just in sport form and is safer to practice, which in turn revitalized the art form. I think you needed to go little more deeper on your research in terms of the sociology aspect of your video. its slightly misleading telling people that kano was trying to create something more superior when in fact he was actually creating something for sport.

[@Chadi]

The sport argument is so false, back when the shogunate was still very much thriving and japan was united, jujutsu sport competitions were held all the time in Japan, minus the eye gouging and weapons, to say judo is a sport jujutsu is simply wrong, he complimented jujutsu greatly in many other ways.

[@jamalesis]

@@Chadi yes he did compliment jujutsu, that is correct. but your making it seem like he was teaching something more superior, when in fact he never stoped teaching Kito Ryu or Ten shin sho jujutsu, he taught judo and jujutsu side by side. although judo prevailed most of the time, against their challengers, they had a hard time fighting people of the jujutsu system FUSEN RYU JUJUTSU, because of the ankle and leg locking. He had some teachers come from Fusen Ryu to teach some of there technique where he incorporated it in judo.

[@Chadi]

@@jamalesis already covered this topic: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYPEmZqaocZqZtk

[@jamalesis]

@@Chadi so if you covered it, why are you mis-leading people. just for click bate huh? I see.

[@Chadi]

@@jamalesis huh???? You claimed judo is a sport which is not, kano complimented it but by no means it became super perfect it was still missing the ground game, oda and isogai and kanemitsu all contributed to the ground game after Tanabe, I'm by no means misleading people you create a strawman that judo is a sport and you attack based on this false premise.

[@hasanc1526]

What were the rules

[@Chadi]

Ko or tap out

[@hasanc1526]

@@Chadi nice

[@pichetkullavanijaya6908]

Judo of Headmaster Kano is not the Sport-Judo of today, that's for sure. So, for anyone who is watching this excellent film by our friend Chadi, do keep this in mind... Real Judo is more akin to traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsu any day of the week, and a far cry from the "Sports Judo" with so many rules that keep on changing and changing and changing, and believe me there is financial interests in competitions, Judo Gi, Match events, endorsements, and the list goes on and on and on.... Like Muey Thai, Western Boxing, BJJ, MMA, it's all entertainment with lots of money involved to be made by all associated with it... Wonder if there are still dojos that still teach the "original Judo of the Grand Master Kano" on this planet...

[@rjvanloon4769]

So true. I have seen judo change so much and not for the better. Several locks have been taken out, the ways one can grab an opponent have changed, time to hold the opponent pinned has come down...I understand taking the kami-basami out of a sports event as it was prone to causing injuries, same for wristlocks, but grabbing a leg for a throw, 'one sided grip' standing locks and chokes, it is a shame those are no longer allowed. ALL of my favorite techniques and my own variations of them like kata-guruma (in different variations), variations of morote-seoi-nage, te-guruma, o-uchi-maki-komi while grabbing a leg (or belt) and so on now seem to have been forbidden in competition, as well as several of my countering techniques. Luckily all of them can still be used when training the traditional jiu-jutsu.

[@pichetkullavanijaya6908]

@@rjvanloon4769 : I'm a Traditional Japanese Jiu Jitsuka. Katana, Bo, Jo, Shiatsu, Physiology and Muscles Mechanics are all part of the education. There is educational on seasonal food for health and healing, Calligraphy, Flower Arrangements (no, I'm not gay), and lots more.

[@LarryBrooks-cf9qp]

Kanos judo actually lost in contests due to ground work. Kano made the koshin rule limiting the time on the ground to around 20 seconds to give his students the advantage in 1925. Kano had the nerve to call jujitsu scools koshin judo.

[@mack93936]

judo started out as jiu-jitsu .

[@jedijudoka]

Judo came from jujitsu, yes, but it was completely new philosophically. It emphasized sparring and full resistance training, which was novel to JJ.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@jedijudoka JJJ did full resistance training during the 17th century. Cuz it was used in warfare. They would never have even use that martial art during that time if it wasn’t used in full contact sparring.

[@jedijudoka]

@@Shadowrulzalways to be fair, I’m not talking about jjj when it was used by samurai, but what it had become and why judo was superior by then. I am curious though. Do you have evidence that they sparred or just the thought “they must have if they fought in battles”

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@jedijudoka There is historical evidence they did. But also do keep in mind, Chadi debunked they claim that they don’t spar or randori. Plus JuJutsu has given Judo a hard time during the matches. Judo may have won 12-15, but out of the 3, JuJutsu won and then Tanabe came along and wrecked Judokas. And he was a JuJutsuka. And many others that came along.

[@jedijudoka]

@@Shadowrulzalways can you share that evidence and video link with me? And if 80-90 percent of winners were judoka, that kinda proves the point that judo has the upper hand. It’s not to say Jjj is useless, just inferior in those applications.

[@dopractitioner]

judo is sport doing against one enemy, so you can easliy go ground and lock your oponent. in jujutsu you have to think there are other enemies around waiting to attack you. so throwing one on going ground easily is not an option.

[@badtothebone7613]

"Far more superior; far more effectice"?

[@socalbeachieboy6135]

Can you do a video about Kano and the US presidency? Im sure Theodore Roosevelt was trained in Judo, and requested japan to send Judo practitioners to teach at the US naval academy

[@Chadi]

You got it!!

[@gabehcuodsuoitneterp203]

Kano took the overlapping forms in Jujutsu and streamlined them into Judo.

[@peteramarillo8952]

Judo came from JIUJITSU.

[@THEMARTIALARTSCHANNEL-bb4fx]

This video is incorrect. All moves in judo comes from kito ryu jiu-jitsu. The shoulder throw, hip throw, leg swep, foot swep, all the ground techniques (ni wasa). Its all from jiu-jitsu. So saying that judo beats jiu-jitsu is like saying jiu-jitsu crush jiu-jitsu. It makes zero sense what so ever. It was the students who failed, not the art.

[@vengadorsky]

cant tell if he is saying jujutsu or jujitsu xd

[@maddog_majima9553]

Well 12-15 is judo's victory but would judo lose to another style of jujutsu an honest doubt

[@Chadi]

Totsuka Yoshin ryu was the best at that time

[@maddog_majima9553]

@@Chadi one more question since jujutsu allows some sort of striking does this fight also involves striking?

[@Chadi]

@@maddog_majima9553 i think it was mainly grappling

[@maddog_majima9553]

@@Chadi looking forward to your next video. It's sad I don't get to learn judo nearby I had just few experiences with wrestling and few fights I had here and there

[@Chadi]

@@maddog_majima9553 thank you stay strong

[@Noone-rt6pw]

Just considering human nature, jealousy and envy, others were bound to have done some bad things to Jigoro Kano. Plotted anyway. Others pride, he's bound to have had repercussions. Look at churches, industry, etc. So many are demons themselves.

[@jjs3890]

JJJ never did sport well. But it was tearing people apart in actual combat for centuries.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

Yep. Kano said Judo is JuJutsu but in a much more safer way.

[@WilsonTheArchitect]

But now bjj is replacing judo and i think that its a good thing becouse new bjj schools take standup from judo and/or wrestling and ground game is of course bjj, so it can make an ultimate grappling style

[@fenkers3249]

There is a mistake in the video. Judo did not face Jiu jitsu schools, judo faced Jujutsu schools. Jujutsu schools have little resemblance with modern jiu jitsu.

[@JoriMikke78]

Today: How BJJ killed judo

[@mikegreen5502]

PSYCHO ???????😂😂😂😂

[@fuggleeartshow]

I think there are likely many different circumstances that played a role in why judo did so well vs jujutsu. Such as what rules was the contest held under, the training methods of the different schools, and the general movement of all martial arts distancing themselves from the killing aspects for several hundred years after the end of the Sengoku period due to the relative constant peace of the Edo period. I don't dislike Judo by any means, but a Sengoku period practitioner would've likely had different results vs the more modern Judo. In today's world I would prefer Judo over things like BJJ.

[@hoituthien]

A di đà phật... 🙇🙇🙇🙇🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Chadi]

🙏🏻

[@simonlimoges7456]

Ju Jutsu is in all respects superior to Judo. Ju jutsu is not made to play a game with rules like judo. Jujutsu has throws, strikes, pressure points, and dislocations that judo competition does not allow, so superior to Ju jutsu I don't think. True Ju Jutsu is not for playing.

[@LarryBrooks-cf9qp]

Maeda was kanos hammer. He traveled world wide in 1908 and fought all oncomers using kano jujitsu. Judo is a sport with rules. Maeda used nearly no rules in many fights, involving strikes. He was much better than little kano.

[@1allspub]

So much hyperbole, misinformation, and lack of context in this video.

[@blazingtatsumaki]

When will you be making yours with corrected information?

[@colemancalgary5260]

Truth hurts doesn’t it!

[@maitrekano]

great

[@fredazcrate4362]

👊👍💯🙏

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@nuyorican91st]

Got a sub from me My fave judoka Randa rousey,randas mother also Master kano Master maeda Master kimura(big boy) Gene lebelle

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@nuyorican91st]

@@Chadi 😀

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic1636]

Isn't Japanese jujutsu spelt jujutsu, not jujitsi or Jiu jitsu?

[@Chadi]

Yes jujutsu but the common terms these days because of the Gracie trend is jiu jitsu

[@adobo1976]

Oh give me a break! Kano practiced Judo and Jujitsu. His student Mifune practiced both Judo and Ju Jitsu. His student Frank Goody practiced both Judo and Ju Jitsu. Frank Goody taught both Judo and Ju Jitsu to his students here in the Denver Area. In fact the video you are showing is Isitsu which is taught to our Ju Jitsu black belts. Judo is a sport! I've not seen any Judo throw or hold that doesn't come from Ju Jitsu. How can Judo be more effective than Jujitsu when it is nothing more than a set of restrictions on Ju Jitsu? I recognize the value of studying both but to say one is more effective than another is a misstatement. BTW Yama Arashi is called the Mountain Storm throw. It was Mifune's knick name; given to him because it was said he came at his opponents like a Mountain Storm. It's also the name of our dojo here in Denver.

[@lunam7249]

Judo is the best

[@adobo1976]

@@lunam7249 Best at what? One is a sport the other is a martial art for self defense. It really depends on the situation. If I'm a kid dealing with a bully in high school Judo is great. You can restrain someone without hurting them. If after last call you find yourself in an ally surrounded by 3 guys who don't like the way you look, you can be sure I'll be switching into Ju Jitsu mode.

[@lunam7249]

@@adobo1976 don't do jujitsu on 3 dudes....while your killing 1 of them the other 2 will be playing soccer ball with your head....last time I saw that..the dude wound up as a potato vegetable...he deserved it though...he beat up his girl friend all the time...and I told him not to show up at the party...I tried to save him... but 2 or 3 kicks to late! Remember this! If you ever see that stop it!! Or you or your friend will do life in prison for "aggravated capitol murder 1"

[@adobo1976]

@@lunam7249You're either confusing Brazilian Ju Jitsu with Traditional Ju Jitsu or Judo. While Traditional Nagai Ryu Ju Jitsu does teach grappling we don't focus on it for that very reason. When fighting multiple opponents you don't want to be on the ground.

[@lunam7249]

@@adobo1976 good luck...

[@martialart5452]

NOT ENTIRELY TRUE. WHILE JUDO CRUSH THE JAPANESE POLICE OFFICERS AND BECAME A PROMINENT SPORT IN JAPAN , JUDO FELL VICTIM AND LOST TO NUMEROUS JAPANESE TRADITIONAL JIU JITSU SYSTEMS WHO JIGARO THOUGHT THAT SUCH SYSTEMS WERE TO VIOLENT TO BE USED FOR THE JAPANESE SCHOOL CURICULUM

[@Chadi]

Yes i did I talk about Tanabe in an other video

[@Shadowrulzalways]

@@Chadi Which one?