19. Should A = 432 Hz?

[@Captain__Obvious]

Another thing is 7.83 Hz is just an average with expected daily and regional variation of ±0.5Hz and larger shifts that follow the seasons, solar activity, atmospheric phenomena... the point is you can easily just choose a value that will actually give 440hz!

[@wiegraf9009]

Well said! Talk about drawing a bullseye around the arrow! Very funny that the concept of statistical averages was unknown before the 19th century so it would have been impossible to even arrive at this nonsense in the first place before then, except by just arbitrarily starting with the number 8. I also wonder if some of the same people who assign this importance to the Schumann Resonance believe in a flat earth, which would make it impossible in the first place!

[@oinochoe]

Not to mention the fact that the real life expression of frequency has been changed quite a lot. Due to the change of what we think is a “second”.

[@user-xu6pm1ml5w]

It is fantastic,brilliant presentation, I have found a formula of sixth degree that regulate how distances are distributed along the string of the musical instrument

[@andersbarfod7266]

435hz with 12-TET was previous european standard.. it was the result of a comitee of 6 composers and two physicians in France 1859. A pitch that proved to work with a lot of different voices on opera from different regions and periods.. the increase by 20 cents to 440Hz pushes the vocal passaggios of heavier dramatic voices too far upp meaning that they have to thin out the voice a lot when approaching the second passaagio connecting Middle and head resonance.. going to low like 429Hz with 12-Tet results in a singer pushing the voice in the lower chest range a bit sharp when trying to project volume over a loud orchester

[@timschulz9563]

The absolute frequency is important in orchestras. Many instruments (especially strings) change their overtones if tuned differently (I believe, I'm not sure if I remembered it correctly). Therefore, orchestras often use higher frequencies than 440 Hz to get a different timbre. But that's a completely different discussion, since slowing down/speeding up or changing the pitch of recordings won't change the characteristics of the instruments.

This is true yet I've never thought about this. Thanks.

[@acilioneto]

Really interesting 🤔

[@flavioalheira]

Perfect

[@jans1982]

Reasons for tuning 432Hz: Playing pantera following the album

[@381delirius]

440 is also easier to multiply since there are less significant digits.

[@storerestore]

Well, opening the whole can of worms that is "scientific tuning" we get Cs at frequencies that are plain powers of two, which is a neat property, but wrt A=432 Hz leaves a big hole to be filled in by arbitrarily using pythagorean tuning.

[@zvonimirtosic6171]

For you, computer is the ideal instrument. Higher the tuning frequency, more taxing for the human voice. Mid-20th century was the era of dehumanisation of music, which still continues, when symphonic megalomania took place and wants louder orchestras, better projection. A typical Anglo-American approach to music, which imposed tuning frequency as we have it today (and they want to raise it). But it kills the vocals.

[@zvonimirtosic6171]

It's not about the violins or oboes; it's about the human voice. Several prominent singers (including Placido Domingo) clearly stated that, ideally for human voice, tuning A should be around 432-5 Hz, because it is less taxing on human voice. Unlike in the 19th century, which was the century of splendid music for vocals, mid-20th century was the age when the dehumanisation of music began. Focus shifted to "gargantuan symphonic work" and "sound projection" megalomania. That's why the Anglo-Americans, with other cultural impositions upon the world, imposed higher A tuning frequency, completely neglecting the human instruments.

[@andersbarfodsvaneskolan9378]

try to tune your guitar or keyboard to different reference pitches.. Try 440Hz for A4, then try 432Hz,, try to hum on different notes within the 12-TET scale at each reference.. , At which reference to you feel that the most of the 12 notes lie within your relaxed speech resonance.. When you have done this come back with a reply.. This is why Verdi would not tolerate anything higher than 435Hz for his opera , Aida.,, try listening to Verdi or Puccini's operas at modern 442Hz (typical orchestral pitch today).. The high notes sound thin and edgy.. and if they try to cast a lighter voice which has more ease on the high notes and can blend in more chest resonance in those high notes,, that voice often lacks the dramatic heft on the lower notes..

[@storerestore]

Your "relaxed speech resonance" depends on individual factors like age, gender, shape of vocal folds and vocal tract. It's either basic physics or basic physiology; take your pick.

[@andersbarfodsvaneskolan9378]

@@storerestore He is where I differ.. I have listened to at least 500 different tracks of music with great vocalist recorded in 440Hz tuning. When I tuned it down between 20 to 32 cents the vocalist always sounded more like themself so to speak. I could recognise the voice in 432Hz tuning to sound much more similar to that persons speaking voice.. So maybe the majority of humans voices are more naturally tuned to around the different notes in the 12-TET scale when it lies closer to A4 = 431-435Hz than say at 440-444Hz.

[@dread_rat]

@@andersbarfodsvaneskolan9378 When you process a recording made with A=440 Hz pitch standard to sound at A=432, you change other things too (like where the resonances of the person's formants are, or in case of an acoustic instruments, where the resonances of the sound-body are) so this is quite different from when the person would have sang/played at A=432 at the time of the recording.

[@darkroomzen]

No

[@AwareLife]

Good. That cleared that up. Had my doubts.

[@sarahaprincesa]

Verdi is right 😢

[@lucyyockey]

Not that the intervals between notes are even that important anyway 😉

[@batner]

A=420.69

[@storerestore]

E=666

[@batner]

@@storerestore Hell yeah! But makes A between 444hz and 445hz

[@geraldedwards5762]

Me... I just love playing with the entire sound spectrum... it is so beautiful and magical. But I understand it not. I like how certain note patterns lend themselves to certain types of or sequences of other notes. It is fascinating.

[@jans1982]

1 Hz is an arbitrary unit based on another arbitrary unit. Just choose whatever sounds good to you and convince your friends to do so.

[@mattbutchercreativity4213]

Try adding the numbers up, if it equals 9 then it's the right frequency. Also, soundwaves create electromagnetic nerve impulses in our brains so the Schumann resonance thing makes sense, especially these days as a lot of music is generated electrically.

[@Veepee92]

Music does not work in arithmetics: 432, 440, 256, 17765673 etc. It works in real numbers and fractions: 5/4, 3/2, 16/15, 11/8 and so on. If you're making music using real integers or their approximations, then the sum of the digits will never add up to nine while sounding the most harmonious and concordant they possibly can.

[@sisfantasto7004]

I have no explanations for any of this and I don't care either. I have never seen music like this. Music is a essential and basic need for me. I need it to survive and communicate. Music was always there and all these parameters you mention are only tools for humans to understand it. And it depends in which part of the world you deal with music because all the above only concerns Western music. I will tune my fiddles to 432 . I wanted to do that all along , I only forgot about it. I don't want to do anything that came from the Nazis. Someone has to draw the line here. And I am drawing it now📈🖌

[@moggpiano8043]

It really just is another conspiracy theory dreamt up by individuals with over active imaginations. The whole thing is arbitrary anyway, the very use of letters for pitches is just theory that allows us to communicate. "A" *COULD* be anything you want it to be! Maybe I'll tune the next note a quarter of a tone higher and call it "P", or maybe I'll tune "A" up a perfect fifth and then play everything a fifth lower! Music existed long before anyone had any idea about note names and standardised tuning.

[@JohnSmith-em4gk]

Sad. U DON'T TELL THE TRUTH.. HOW MUCH DID THEY PAY YOU.. FOR SUCH.. BS..? next video

[@eboone]

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