Trijicon MRO vs Aimpoint T1

[@Jack-py2sw]

Green dots have a shorter battery life than red because green is a higher frequency than red, and as such requires more energy to be produced. Red, on the other hand, is the lowest frequency color that humans can see, so it is the best for energy conservation. Higher frequency --> more energy

[@1911syndicate]

Extremely helpful comment

[@trevor894]

Also the green MRO has clearer glass then the red and to get the same brightness on clearer glass requires more power requires more energy

[@theslavsnob3229]

@@1911syndicate the complaint people make about magnification is referring to the red dot rather than the green. This goes back to the battery life. The magnification in the red dot comes from a tint added to the lens, which magnifies the visibility of the red dot, in order to save energy. So many people complained about the hue and fisheye, that Trijicon switched to green dot at the expense of battery life. The green is visible enough to the human eye that the tint is not needed. However the emitter uses more energy.

[@gmgrib8891]

EOtech says the opposite!! Lol fuckin liars... they say the battery life on their green dot takes about 7x-8x less than the red dot.. therefore the battery would last longer.. HA!

[@alabastardmasterson]

@@gmgrib8891 real world experience says green dots use much more battery power, but I live in a place where most of the yr everything is green

[@rocket5557]

I had an MRO on my colt 14.5 work rifle for 5+ years. I work in the mountains and deserts of the souther border. I didn’t buy it, government issued. Never had a single issue with it. Shot it out past 300 unmagnified with an astigmatism at steel, no issues. It was never in the rack getting bounced around, it’s been dropped(not on purpose) and inadvertently banged on boulders while hiking. Again, no issues. I recently got issued a 12.5 bcm with an aimpoint pro. Same thing, same treatment, zero issues. Only difference is it’s bigger, heavier, and uses weird batteries. Looks kind of funny on the sbr but who cares. All things considered I prefer the mro just for the size and weight which surprisingly I do notice. Pro make the rifle unbalanced and heavy towards the rear which is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is unbalanced. Apparently no magnifiers match up with the old MRO, but honestly in my experience I don’t need a magnifier. Can’t imagine what the thing would weigh with a pro and a 3x anyway! I have shot with a t2 but it was limited

[@sonicnofadz]

FYI the "bluish tint" that people often complain about with the MRO's is from a previous iteration. The newer generations use a different glass/coating that no longer suffers from this problem.

[@claisolais]

That has nothing to do with his case though, green dots have RED tint.

[@digitalpunk5365]

My mro hd and original mro both have blue tint. The hd slightly less but it’s still there

[@chestercalloway3812]

The online outrage over bluish tint is maddening. I think people just need to rage over something insignificant to feel important.

[@theexpressionbooth]

I like the blue tint. If you use it in low light with a white light, the blue tint helps keep the dot from washing out against a light colored background. The holosun I have I have to turn it up brighter to see the dot on white targets with a white light on. Obviously there is a certain point where the blue tint is too much but I don't think any modern optics are at that point.

[@brysan9873]

Very helpful and informative video, I am a ak peasant and it was good to see that the mro doesn't sit crazy high to where you had a good cheekweld and not a chinweld! Thank you!

[@Echo_Six_Romeo]

Light transfer at different energy range for certain colors, hence the different battery life for red vs green

[@DesertTactical]

Got me an MRO (red dot) It was $339 with free shipping but no mount. Still found it a good deal. Now to save up a little for a scalaworks mount.

[@ssamirsanda2789]

Where from

[@chuckclark6162]

As always, love your vids. The reason Aimpoint puts UP/R on both adjustment caps is so that you don't have to remember or keep track of which one is which. And if you lose one of them you can still use the other (or only order 1 to replace it). It also makes manufacturing processes faster. I also have both but prefer the Aimpoint for the reasons you mentioned about variability in brightness. Also, the Aimpoint has 1/4 MOA adjustments while the Trijicon has 1/2 MOA which makes it less precise.

[@1911syndicate]

Solid comment

[@chuckclark6162]

@@1911syndicate Solid channel & content, sir.

[@Boogaloogie]

Sure about the t1 but the comp m2 have knows like that so you can mount it turned 90 degrees to the left and your adjustments will still be correct if you follow the caps.

[@future_phonk]

Aterro Arms makes a nice low MRO mount. It replaces your leaf sight but has a built-in battle (300m) rear irons.

[@zack9912000]

Have it on my AK and has worked out great

[@TheAcfallejoseph]

I like green for hunting at night. I use red lights so it just makes sense. A good thermal will change all this for me.

[@Stahlhalter]

This camera work is amazing thank your camera man for me 🤝🏾 and good reviews btw in your part

[@dannya951]

From what I've heard, MRO dots can look "smeared" when used in conjunction with a magnifier, which was apparently part of the reason Trijicon went back and developed the MRO HD. In your opinion, is there anything to be said about the relative sharpness of each optic's dot when shooting without magnification?

[@1911syndicate]

Aimpoint is a little more crisp to me, yes. MRO ever slightly I could argue is a tad muddled

[@chadhardwick9214]

Does the MRO HD fix the blurry dot situation?

[@jordanbrewer9700]

Just bought a mro red dot from larue!! Lower 1/3! Battery life and cost was the determining factor

[@OceanGuy808]

Any input on sights and expensive firearms equipment is valuable.

[@gmgrib8891]

Officially my favorite channel

[@DRay-or4tc]

I have astigmatism which causes the Dot to appear as a Comet, or Supernova- depending on brightness setting. I use the rear BUIS with lowest brightness setting I can see for precision or distance shots. The rear BUIS acts as a Diopter and “cleans up” the Dot. I find this unnecessary for close/quick shots.

[@trevor894]

I prefer the green the glass is nicer then the red, changing batteries ever 6 months isn’t gunna cause me to go broke

[@minfilipino]

Just ordered an MRO. On backorder though due to the CCP virus.

[@1911syndicate]

Nice

[@liquid_shadow8690]

I like my MRO but it has some serious flaws. The slight magnification really messes up the focus on dual tube NODs. I have to adjust my shooting tube to match the MRO and it really sucks.

[@upsguy509]

Dude, awesome video… Great comments… informative AND 😄

[@1911syndicate]

🤙🏻

[@jeffszakacs7508]

I just got the MRO HD on a 1.93 Geissele riser it is so comfortable for heads up display and u get both a segmented circle ⭕️ and a simple 2 mao dot and no blue tint or magnification but that’s why the price got bumped up to 700 - and then 150 or so for the guys leave now all together or forget it but around that 800 but I have neck issues I have a spinal surgery on my neck a year and a half ago and having a riser really really helps learning my new holdovers which is pretty easy because it’s muscle memory with the angle of the barrel somewhat but porn of him corners impact compensating for that 10 yards is probably 3-5 inches low Depending on zero but it would be about 3 to 4 inches on 50 x 200 zero so you need to compensate for that when close especially

[@theblishknovk]

I just got an mro with geissele 1/3rd mount. Absolutely love it.

[@KaneGregory]

The glass with the green dot has less tint and you should change your battery 🔋 once a year anyway so the trijicon lime green dot is perfect wish they made a green dot patrol model!🤯🔫💣

[@wilsonj4705]

Tried two MROs in the store and immediately saw a fishbowl effect that I couldn't unsee that make me say no. Handed it to someone and they couldn't see it so it does vary from person in seeing it.

[@MAXimumEffort44]

I fucked up and bought the green mro years ago only to realize I had to change batteries on it every 3 months or so on the fourth setting out of 6 or whatever. Any lower and my white light washes it out. Said fuck that thing and got myself a proper T2

[@bobwendel34]

I like my mro.

[@jasonthomas8299]

How about Trijicon is made in the USA

[@chucklynn1119]

triji has started sourcing oversea products MRO HD Magnifier is 100% made in china.

[@chucklynn1119]

@ItalianBrownsFAN proof is go buy one and theres a sticker on the bottom says so. that was a $350 lecture for me, since i mounted it before finding out where its made

[@archangel9975]

@@chucklynn1119 funny when the phone/keyboard you typed this comment on is also made in China

[@kroach2653]

@@archangel9975 I don't think he plans on having to defend his life with a keyboard that could be sourced to areas with spotty QC though. I guess that could bring a new meaning to "keyboard warrior" though.

[@archangel9975]

​@@kroach2653 No matter where it was produced it was Trijicon's job to do the QC. EOTech cold shift cough cough, Made in USA cough cough.

[@realisrealite5554]

I have both and in my opinion the t2 is the finest red dot.

[@LUVDOGS1954]

The slight blue tint on my MRO gives a much better contrast to the eye than a plain clear glass...most people think it is a function of poor glass, to the contrary, a design advantage.

[@chestercalloway3812]

The dial for R adjustment is on the right. The dial for the up adjustment is up top.

[@Deuce_Dufresne]

Big fan of the MRO, have one on my AK and 1301…

[@gmgrib8891]

So the only difference between T1 and T2 is smaller package or lenses???

[@1911syndicate]

Same size actually but the adjustments are recessed. Can’t remember if there’s another change

[@hyeGUY25]

That’s so funny about the aimpoint turrets and forgetting windage knobs vs elevation 😂

[@davesamson9616]

The problem with the MRO is the Parallax Shift, which when shooting from unconventional positions, when the dot is not centered in the window, can be extreme. Green Eye Tactical did an extremely thorough test of several red dots and posted the testing on their website. EOTech and Aimpoints suffer very little parallax shift.

[@1911syndicate]

Nice good tip

[@aw9389]

Ive heard the opposite. Theres vids on KZbin about the problems with the T1. I will admit i do have an mro and t1, and ive had quite a bit more problems with my t1. Flickering and glue on the inside lens.

[@johnjohnston4404]

Those were the older mros, t1’s had the issue as well

[@DesertTactical]

Didnt the MRO's get fixed after serial # 90,000? I have an MRO coming in a few days. I hope it works for me. :/

[@Boogaloogie]

100% correct. Took mine off for this reason and still trying to figure out what to do with it lol

[@nicg9599]

what I want to know is when these companies will incorporate shake awake like holosun does for they price they are asking for these red dots.

[@1911syndicate]

would be great

[@leroyatleroys]

I was looking for this comment. It's kind of embarrassing that not many companies are taking note of Holosun's innovations.

[@geoffrey3289]

Why would you need to shake awake if you can just leave the dots on for years. What happens when you need your dot and the shake awake does not work. Not likely to happen but it could.

[@jianliu9420]

Elevation is up and down and the turret sits on top so this must be it. Windage is from side to side, the turret sits on the side so this must be it. Very intuitive.

[@weekendwarrior8334]

You will also notice that the MRO green dot has much less tint than its red counterpart. This contributes to the system being much less efficient for battery life for the MRO green dot. Basically you are trading optical clarity for much less battery life.

[@1911syndicate]

In retrospect I would probably have taken it in red

[@al1engreyassh0le4]

@@1911syndicate Yeah, its the same thing for Eotech as well. The green eats batteries for snacks..... Physics( shrugs shoulders)

[@aw9389]

I dont think you know what you are talking about

[@velos3989]

The reduction in blue hue is true for all 89k and up serial numbers. They were able to reduce the tint and keep the red at 5 years. The green has reduced tint too, but they were only able to get a year on setting 3 (~6 months on 4) because green has a shorter wavelength than red (more oscillations per second)

[@ultraspank8479]

Great review and sick AK man!

[@1911syndicate]

🤙🏻

[@adamschmidt3991]

Maybe there is something wrong with my mro in particular...but I have a red dot on my personal gun, and a green dot on my work gun since I work nights...I have had to change the battery on the green dot every month if I leave the optic on. The red dot I have yet to change.

[@1911syndicate]

No the green dot burns out about 4 times faster

[@adamschmidt3991]

Love the mro still. The green dot serves a specific purpose and I’ll still keep it, but I’ll probably go with red from here on out. That Ak is looking good!

[@normwalker6285]

really good comparison!

[@1911syndicate]

🤙🏻

[@ElliotDrinksWater]

4:27 it's cheaper. They only need to make one cap for everything

[@tfkhc37]

@1911Syndicate Is that a PWS rifle in this video? I asked on another video for you to review one and just noticed you using one. Very eager to hear you opinion of the PWS Mk114 Mod 2 vs the Radian Model 1. Any PWS firearms for that matter.

[@1911syndicate]

Just an upper on this one

[@tfkhc37]

@@1911syndicateDamn.. had me goin. Haha! looks identical to the PWS Mod 2 lower, not to mention the irreplaceable PWS buffer tube lol. Quite confusing. But thanks for the great content. Keep it up. 👍

[@HardAssetsFTW]

Both are great but aimpoint is losing focus - saw a T1 with mount for $900 at a store one day. Can buy pre-owned MRO for $300/$350 or so. On your main guns, put the best you can afford. On other guns in your collection, put something that is durable and dependable that won’t break the bank. That is the MRO

[@flyinb45]

Coming from a machinist background, I cannot stand the lack of cast finishing on the MRO. I also ordered the green dot and noticed that the dot looked more like a check to me. I returned it.

[@1911syndicate]

Fair

[@brandonb6327]

@@1911syndicate for a duty gun, would you choose a MRO or a Holosun 515gm? Just not sure if we can include Holosun in the duty category yet but everyone has good things to say about the 515gm.

[@joeysepulveda1926]

Great video indeed.

[@bryandederick466]

What hand guard is on the AR?

[@jaychen8605]

They’re both great. Also cool maligator

[@1911syndicate]

Haha thanks

[@jonathanrivera2773]

do you notice point of impact shift on the ultimak?

[@1911syndicate]

No

[@michaelbattin6717]

I disagree you helped me with my decision, I was on the fence...... "Triiicon"

[@michaelbattin6717]

I just received my HD mro with the magnifier. “Not impressed.”The red dot alone is good. All of my red dots are Holosun.I think there as good for half the price. With the magnifier I see 2& 3 dots. Going to keep the set but I wouldn’t buy again.

[@chiefkc2002]

Does the MRO co-witness on the ultimak rail at all?

[@1911syndicate]

Yes

[@chiefkc2002]

@@1911syndicate What mount? Thanks in advance bro.

[@steelbucks1202]

I know this is a MRO review video but your AR15 is really nice bro. What kind of AR15 is that? Great vid bro

[@1911syndicate]

Meridian Defense Pestilence

[@coreyschmidt8551]

The AR-15 is a pws the ak is meridian lol

[@sscustomcaraudio]

Green leds are a little more power hungry than red leds.

[@zacharyfoley236]

Green MRO's batteries die way faster than 1 year, forgot to turn off and was dead in 3 weeks- month. That was with original battery about 2-3 months old

[@dcyphyr]

"Noticeably bigger tube" is what she said.

[@1911syndicate]

Lol got em

[@incognito1409]

T-1, or better said T-2, because there's less going on outside of the housing. MRO (and Comp M4S) are too cluttery. I want everything to be light, lean and fast. Micro series is the fastest to 'pick up' and not at all bulky. I like a nice, tight, compact package. YMMV

[@j.a.8709]

This guy gets it... 5:10ish. "right up"

[@claisolais]

Here's one clear answer: Your green MRO does not have the blue tint at all, since the green dot have red tint instead. Not sure about the magnification, I couldnt notice any...but the image shift is certainly hurting the comfort for two-eye aiming...plus that parallex. As for battery life, they say the green is brighter and easier to pick up...IDK for sure. Strictly business: Aimpoint Fun: MRO

[@nicg9599]

nice dead air brake also. got the wolverine?

[@1911syndicate]

I don't have a wolverine yet

[@Funexpected]

Today, I had an eye exam only to see if my eyes are degrading or if my new (red) MRO is faulty; my eyes are normal. I see multiple dots in the optic, a bloom. I can't even zero in my rifle with any accuracy. I need to see about a return or exchange.

[@1911syndicate]

My dots are never crisp either but my eyes are fucked so

[@e7tegt503]

You have an astigmatism. Welcome to the party. Didn’t realize I had one either until I got the mro. Get an lpvo. Etched reticle looks perfect and so does the illumination. The led goes through a fiber optic tube which really cleans things up.

[@Funexpected]

I was going to go LPVO, but instead bought a Vortex Spitfire etched prism optic. The reticle rings aren't crisp, kind of double or shadow making the rings thick. It's a complaint I've seen from others that I don't think has to do with eyesight.

[@stephend.4748]

My MRO is crisp when I wear my glasses. It is vision thing I think

[@Funexpected]

@@stephend.4748 I have an astigmatism, but no glasses, I don't need them. I still have this new MRO sitting in the box that I should've sold by now.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Still, to this day, I don't understand complaints about zeroing. Besides, "I spent $800-fvcking dollars on this, it should zero itself" which is valid, how often is someone zeroing their rifle? I show up, take both caps off, throw them in my pocket, shoot 5 rounds, adjust, repeat as necessary, and then reinstall the caps and never touch it again unless I switch rifles or make a dramatic ammunition change.

[@M8Military]

It really depends what they're using. Alot of people will zero with some 223 but then next month they buy some m855 and whoops zero is way off. They don't stick to one make/type of ammo. When I shoot 123 gain out of my AK it's pretty bang on regardless of manufacturer but that's all real similar stuff.

[@Matt_Moore]

Ive never owned a red dot before. I like using irons, but I’ll admit red dots are nice. For my modern fighting rifle (M10x) I went with a Trijicon ACOG (a real one) 3x magnified with the range holdovers calibrated. LOVE IT! Works really well from close to as far as my own marksmanship can take me. Anywho...next rifle build is going for the CQB ninja shit and going to don a red dot. Very helpful comparison.

[@FrankieFlowersYeah]

The 3.5x?

[@Matt_Moore]

@@FrankieFlowersYeah Mine is just 3x. Trijicon ACOG® 3 x 30 Dual Illuminated Red Horseshoe/Dot 7.62 x 39 Ballistsic Reticle w/TA51 SKU: TRI-400020 Also I did pickup a green dot MRO on a different rifle and love it.

[@kyletaylor7071]

Parallax has entered the chat

[@chrish5224]

I'd like to know why green dots cost more then a red. That battery life though is stupid bad!

[@1911syndicate]

Yea it's odd

[@ryanandrew742]

I know it’s been 2 months but I believe the red dot uses less frequency while the green uses more battery power and a higher frequency for its dot. Higher the frequency higher the battery drain.

[@thegolflife7565]

PWS long stroke gas piston rifles are the best there is. Is the MRO NVG compatible? I’ve always bought T2s because they are.

[@chuckclark6162]

Love my Diablo in 5.56. It's a "pistol" & a flame thrower!

[@thegolflife7565]

Chuck Clark I run a MK111 for my work gun with a Sico and on position 3 it’s the perfect suppressed weapon.

[@jonathanedwards2983]

Price means a lot.

[@1911syndicate]

I get it

[@jonathanedwards2983]

@@1911syndicate I bought the MRO. It was the best I could afford. (Too many rifles to put premium optics on) While I don’t own an actual Aimpoint, I have used them in the past. I’m not so sure I wouldn’t buy the Trijicon again. I enjoyed the video. Both are great optics. Hard decisions.

[@LUVDOGS1954]

Please feature that rad-azz dog in a video!

[@tomharper8351]

Wonder what Jake’s 2 “go to AR’s” are today?

[@1911syndicate]

Hmm a video perhaps

[@jchurch7832]

Good video. Whats the story about rebel arms? I wanna know lol

[@1911syndicate]

Haha, I warn you the video looks like shit, but we did a "review" on that gun maybe 9 months ago

[@sbchug2484]

Nice dog!!

[@jordanweimer5148]

How do people complain about a blue tint but also wear neo-chrome sunglasses....just sayin

[@MSSynsyterGates]

The magnification is what stopped me from buying it. It's slight magnification but it completely throws me off when I shoot with both eyes open. Its very disorienting.

[@1911syndicate]

Hey whatever works for you

[@MarshmallowM80s]

Can I get some details on your AK? I love the style

[@1911syndicate]

It was a meridian pestilence

[@rickterrance4981]

What kinda AK is that? Looks like the original bluing and at least 50 years old.

[@1911syndicate]

Meridian defense pestilence

[@TheBigduke633]

Funny,probably no help to you….True story though.Aimpoint is very proud of themselves.

[@brianewer3905]

The blue tint on the mro for hunting is not the greatest. Looking at deer the blue kinda makes the Deer not as obvious.

[@zacharyfett2491]

This seems to come down to price and aesthetics.

[@1911syndicate]

A little more than that, but the price is a big factor for sure

[@thegolflife7565]

No comparison rifle dynamics because of Jim Fuller.

[@1911syndicate]

But Jim is gone

[@thegolflife7565]

1911 Syndicate Yes but all of his knowledge and manufacturing techniques were passed on. I think part of his transition out was still that he continues to consult.

[@organic1776]

You sure that’s not a PWS rifle lol?

[@pecosR0B]

last 15 seconds "this is probably of no help to you" YEP but thanks for the opinions at least? Basically means you can't go wrong with either and there's a reason why the Aimpoint costs more?

[@bartowpd342]

I have the same AK, I want the MRO u have. Can I run it absolute co-witness.

[@1911syndicate]

I doubt on an AK you’ll get a full co witness

[@bartowpd342]

Even if I went with aimpoint micro.

[@ItsEverythingElse]

I'll trade a little battery life for a scientifically-proven more optically visible dot.

[@swoosh6947]

aimpoint is swedish and so am I so aimpoint 7 days a week!

[@charlesjacques750]

So if your an old fart with an AR and thick glasses the MRO is the way to go without significant difference in shooting ?

[@1911syndicate]

I honestly don't think vision of the shooter is going to play in major role in which one of these to buy

[@imbored3581]

10:41 *sasuke enters the chat*

[@GunzNGrit1911]

Everyone’s eyes are freaking different. That’s why it’s so annoying listening to people compare this kind of stuff because everyone’s going to see something different. It’s like staring at a blotchy painting someone’s going to see a car someone’s gonna see a hat someone’s going to see a gun it’s like who gives a fuck they’re both good optics, I would use either one before I buy some cheap hundred dollar shit at your local grocery store😊

[@Bigeasyya]

Let’s get a truck walk around and gear you keep in your truck

[@1911syndicate]

Could do that

[@Bigeasyya]

1911 Syndicate tundra gang💪🏽

[@Ben-uf3st]

Naw, you did good.

[@1911syndicate]

Thanks haha

[@mayjahcon4662]

More of a bro science crank it kinda guy myself

[@kmparrott83]

Holy shit guy's! Opie Taylor is starting an onlyfans! Aunt B is gonna kick your ass

[@kmparrott83]

Aslo why the F does your thumb bend back so far?

[@1911syndicate]

Hahaha that was a good one

[@kmparrott83]

@@1911syndicate It's gonna be called Opie's micro subcompact city. at least you can really use those macro lenses you have

[@Bischlarbo69]

Green SUCKS

[@danielgarfield2395]

because......

[@jamminjames9656]

If you’re gonna make a comparison make a comparison. If you’re gonna talk about your life and toys do it on your own time. In other words get into it.

[@1911syndicate]

You seem angry

[@jamminjames9656]

1911 Syndicate no not angry just don’t like a lot of fluff. Just get to it. Stop wasting peoples time.

[@rustybucket5465]

This aged bad. MRO is kind of trash. So many shills on KZbin now