1960's International Harvester Film Principles of Hydrostatic Transmission Farmall 656 Tractor

[@philipingram1667]

I worked for IH in the late 70s and we used this film as the intro to hydro. My boss called this actor/narrator the "bus driver" because he also did the Greyhound add - "Leave the driving to us" bit. Hydro is very simple and when given reasonable care and correctly applied, it will out work a geardrive on PTO applications or shuttle work (loader). Case eliminated hydro from the line in 1985 as they bet all their chips on Magnum. Too bad as they were and are some of the handiest tractors for haying and choring.

[@christianmartin82804]

my great grandfather and his dad my great great grandfather worked for IH and his dad was the very man who created the IH logo now i know thats hard to believe but thats what my father and grandmother told me now his son after WW2 sold semi trucks for IH for over 30 years i never got to meet them but i am proud to have them as apart of my family

[@RJ1999x]

Case eliminated it from the line because it was unpopular, and not worth the cost. The Magnum was larger then any IH hydro

[@Flowing23]

Thank you, a quick question . Is there still a GEAR drive/ transmission / gear box in the system which you first select a gear to operate in, which is then regerlated by the hydrostatic motor. Thank you.

[@pattschetter]

⁠@@Flowing23For this type of hydrostatic transmission from International Harvester, typically there was a two-speed (in tractors) or three-speed (in combines) physical gearbox between the hydrostatic motor and the final drive. There were some windrowers that had a "low/high" shift that actually de-stroked the motors in "high" to make them turn faster, akin to how the 2-speed function works in some modern-day skid-steer loaders.

[@skip7243]

Best explanation I've seen of hydrostatic principles.

[@Pete-ln4vu]

Love it!! True tractor guy's always enjoy different and all tractor companies promotion movies!! Time's gone bye!!

[@trackhoe23]

I don't care what color the equipment is, these old promo films are great!

[@colemcmullen6608]

This channel is seriously so cool. Preserving history of all types is important.

[@JandLVideos]

Thank You!

[@craigalston2208]

​@@JandLVideos did IH ever experiment with using their diesel engine connected to a ALLISON TRANSMISSION then connected to their axle housing to get a similar power shift / hydrostatic type of transmission ?

[@williamhalpin6713]

We owned a 826 diesel hydro harvested red table beets mounted on a 2 row harvester. Then converted back to a typical farm tractor. Haying and other farm operation. A very good tractor and hydrostatic transmission my favorite.

[@sonjareer6003]

I had a 656 diesel hydro was by far the best baleing and pto work tractors ever had wish I still had

[@jimroberts1514]

Ive had my 574 Hydro for 40 years with a front end loader. Great system- forward and reverse at the movement of the SR lever, never had any problems.

[@ottoneidlinger4938]

Wow! Now I know I made the right choice by not being an engineer. That was a very interesting and educational film. Thank you J and L.

[@robertlong7033]

They came and went pretty quickly at IH. My neighbor had a 656 and a 1026 . While smooth and easy to operate the big gripe I was told was that the hydro cost about 10 hp and seeing up close and personal was they were hogs on fuel. I spent all day hauling fuel out to the 1026.

[@ivicamatokovic6090]

Hello from CROATIA 🇪🇬🙋‍♂️

[@DG-ne8iq]

When the great precursors innovated in gearbox without clutch... In Europe we did not have the Farmall MTA, nor the 560 series and the first was John Deere 4020 and 3020 with power-shift in 1963, although many were only equipped with syncro-range gearbox. John Deere was little imported before 1960, it is only by buying Lanz (now obsolete with their single cylinder but very widespread) that he took advantage of the very extensive network of dealers and customers. Ford wanted to launch the select-o-speed on the 5000 in 1965, but did not sell any (too fragile). The 5000 was a success but with a mechanical gearbox. Case proposed the 730 case-o-matic in 1960, but this brand only became successful in France after buying Societé Française Vierzon and producing backhoes. IH imported some 806,1256, the hydro 100 in 1974 was too expensive and drank a lot. In the European IH range, it was not until 1980 that there was only a hydraulic coupler as an option on the 1455, the real power-shift did not arrive until 1988 with the Magnum 7110, 7120 then 7230 series etc.. IH remained archaic for too long without even a semi-auto gearbox, it had lost sales as early as 1962 with the F270 (fragile all over), but had recovered with the 624,724, in 1965 finally in 1974 with the 744,844, 946,1046 but with a recurrent problem of porous cylinders.since 1945 IH had the most widespread network of agents and mechanics, but for 30 years it has been in decline: today it has lost all its dealers, you have to travel 100 miles to find the nearest one.

[@alexandermathar7780]

No. There was a hydrostatic tractor in Europe. The German Eicher Mammut HE.

[@pinesedgefarm1155]

Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!

[@thomaslang5709]

Great video

[@crslyrn]

Really enjoyed this flashback film of a manufactures presentation of how their product works. Thanks for sharing. Happy New Year to you & your family.

[@cassidymccoy9837]

Awesome video keep em coming!

[@colemcmullen6608]

I have been pokong around the internet for a comercial or paper add of some sort for the simplicity 6516H. I love mine and would love to see how it was marketed. Its literally the best mower and blower/bagger i ever owned.

[@jan-christophmach1448]

Thanks for the nice Video!

[@Joey966]

Now I want one.

[@MrMagnum7220]

We got a 656 hydro. We bought it and put a loader on it. Doesn’t have the power as a gear drive but it was quicker without grinding gears. Our 6 has a problem when you reverse it, you have to push the lever away from the tractor or won’t move. Right now it has a blown head gasket.

[@jerrystauffer2351]

I always loved the various dealer days. Free food, pop, sit on a lawnmower to eat and a movie. I tried to buy a toy tractor or something so they wouldn't lose money on me.

[@mikeskidmore6754]

Great for Light work no good for pulling tillage tools .. My friend had a Cub Cadet .. throw it into reverse then into forward and do a huge wheelie.. Still very popular today in Garden Tractors..

[@dptp9lf]

i cut my eye teeth on that very tractor... loved it!

[@eddiephillips6740]

I drove a demonstrator in the early 70,s in the UK, I cant remember the model no I found it hot and noisy but it had lots of potential.

[@davidmann2988]

I have hydrostatic on my JD 755. It’s so handy that my 61 farmall 460D sits most of the time.

[@RJ1999x]

If the hydro transmission actually was worth having in a large farm tractor, Allis Chalmers would have made it. Inefficient, and problematic, which is why no one else used it, same with the 2+2 equals nothing, and forward air flow. Sale gimmicks and that's it

[@Flowing23]

Thank you, a quick question . Is there still a GEAR drive/ transmission / gear box in the system which you first select a gear to operate in, which is then regerlated by the hydrostatic motor. Thank you.

[@Wyomingfarmer]

If only IH could have stuck with this hydro transmission through the merger they would've most likely been the first with a cvt instead of fendt, which didn't come around till the early 90s.

[@ih1206]

Oliver had a IVT/CVT type transmission that White killed before the Hydros came along

[@RJ1999x]

Hydro is very inefficient

[@hansstopfer878]

Today hydrostatic drives are only used in self-propelled machines (Mädrescher or forage harvesters) because they are less efficient than planetary gears. Or wedge rim variators are simpler and more effective in the drive. Continuously variable transmissions are a symbiosis of mech. and hydraulic components.

[@kevinoxenham5109]

International in 1960 were way before there time with this technology and engineering lack of contamination control was against them then unfortunately

[@AndyFromm]

Throw in a planitary gear set and you have a cvt/ivt

[@johnhall1614]

Awesome

[@theda850two]

Love my 656 Hydro, only thing I would change , is to make it "foot-controlled" , like my lawn tractor...

[@shuppy100]

Was is the 1450 cub cadet also using this same type of system but smaller?

[@danielheckmann4898]

Nice👍🏻

[@hankelrod7315]

Love my hydros even if they are dieselholics

[@BenWinborn]

I love Love some allis orange but I love them cause magnums ! And then ole IHs

[@brucesolter3670]

AC for life

[@davidbratton4179]

I have my dad's hydro 100 and you couldn't ask for a better tractor for doing hay from cutting to bailing just not a lugging tractor

[@jenslorenzen-fh3oe]

This is what I call ill matic. I don’t know the exact year they produced IH Hydro but I would say somewhere in the 60’s🍲got to go somewhere else

[@jenslorenzen-fh3oe]

Fendt had their first variable transmission test ca. 1979 if I remember correctly but the electronics to control it was developed in the mid 90’s 1997 release of Fendt Vario. I believe it was about the same time CNH had their variable transmission working in the CVX. I remember my dad saying that the Case Hydro were loosing to much power trough the transmission. One thing Case CVX did was learning how to use the pedal. There are so many clowns out there who don’t understand how to drive with pedal when it makes sense and we all know expect for “them” how it makes it easier to drive. Personally I think it’s because they’re too scared to drive with pedal.. But the fact is they don’t want to LISTEN when they’re gibberish about it because we know better than anyone wich they have to learn accept, and follow instructions from the leaders of the package. -Real talk but it’s still CUUUUUT.

[@frankr.1594]

Interisting, thanks for sharing. That sounds very early. Does anybody know who was first IH or JD' 1964 power shift and witch was good to operate? Some say, JD's Power Shift was born out of a Ford 'O' Matic ingeneer (Great book of Ford as may be a source).

[@J-1410]

The Hydro is a Hydro and the PS is a PS. It depends on what you are doing. The hydro is great for things like loader work or baling or similar, where its nice to have an infinite amount of speeds. The PS is nice when you are doing something like tillage or planting where you get up to speed and stay there. I can't say on Deere's powershift as we don't have one, but the IH hydro we have will never leave and probably have a few more join it. They are very very handy.

[@randymagnum143]

Case and Ford were both early to the full powershift game. The Farmall has 0 mechanical connection in the drivetrain, the powershift was basically a servo clutch shifted constant mesh transmission. Much less heat and friction loss. Look at the difference between gear and hydro tractors of the same model at Nebraska. Having a non turbocharged hydro tractor would be like having a hole in your fuel tank that perpetually wasted a metered amount of fuel.

[@J-1410]

@@randymagnum143 Case's Deere debated design, shifting sucks. We have a 94 series. It's like dumping the clutch every gear. But it has been reliable so far. I can't comment on Ford. I don't even know of anyone who has a Ford Tractor near me. You do realize that the Hydro was an option? The entire line did not have it. You do also realize that the IHC 5088, 5288, 5488, and the Super 70s had a powershift and the Magnum Powershift is an IHC design? Before that, they had a standard transmission design with a TA. We have a Gas Hydro, a 544 Farmall. Its just as efficient for what we use it for compared to any other tractor of its era, in our case, more efficient as it is a feedwagon and loader tractor, along with a PTO tractor.

[@randymagnum143]

@@J-1410 😂 no, no.....Case and Ford had full powershift transmissions.......in the late 50's. Look up "Case-O-Matic" and "Select-O-Speed" I understand hydro was an option, thats why i said to compare the Nebraska test results from gear and hydro in the same models. The Magnums had good engines. I've read about them trying to adapt IH's syncro tranny to powershift. How many parts ended up being compatible? Serious question. Fwiw, Allis had better cabs and transmissions in the 8k series. I love the 426, but an 8070 with a CTA cummins gives up nothing to a Magnum.

[@douglaskattau9241]

Harold Brock designed the SOS first for Ford, and then the PS for Deere.

[@randymagnum143]

A new era of tractors that don't move?

[@J-1410]

So what's your issue with the Hydrostatic transmission that everyone uses?

[@dodge-ut6ti]

@@J-1410 Try getting one worked on .

[@randymagnum143]

@@J-1410 like now? Like the Fendt vario, that costs all of the money and is not field servicable? Btw, the Fendt is much more efficient in operation because it tranfers a varying percentage of the power mechanically. All that aside, would you use a farmall hydro for tillage work? Would you prefer a tractor with 20% less fuel efficiency and a much higher cost of ownership?

[@J-1410]

@@dodge-ut6ti Easy. Our dealer 50 miles away overhauled ours without issue. They are simple.

[@dodge-ut6ti]

@@J-1410 Are you talking IH hydro?

[@jaremygolightly3279]

Too far ahead of its time.

[@miguelangelvalderrama1808]

I don't like that system 🙄

[@ArmpitStudios]

Great film! Sounds like your cell phone got too close to an audio cable near the beginning there. There’s no mistaking that horrible digital noise. If you don’t mind a little tip, add however many seconds of black to the end of historic films like this. That way, the J&L badge and suggested video thumbnails won’t cover the original film at the end and viewers will still be able to see the full film (credits are important!).