1962 Silvertone Jupiter 1423 Ripped Off On Reverb

[@fallingsky1984]

Glad to hear someone actually calling out the thieves

[@wheeljork]

I luckily never bought from that guy, but that store is infamous, at least on Reverb.

[@stoutlager6325]

Reverb tip: if it says it comes with a case, ask for a picture of the case. You buy sight unseen you will definitely get a case but it might not be the kind of case you want in your home. I once received one that was so disgusting I dumpstered it as soon as it arrived. Fortunately the guitar was fine.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

Good onya Dave for calling out the scam sellers. This is pathetic. I don't condone setting fire to someone's business...but I *understand* it!

[@weibernipple]

Feel bad for the guy. Hopefully he can get his money back and find one like it that works.

[@jeffrowlette]

Hey Dave, you gave me the courage, and knowledge, to do my own fret leveling, crowning and polishing! It came out AMAZING! Absolutely butter! And being that I have around 25 guitars, I can take better care of them now! Love your channel! Jeff

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

Glad I could help!

[@michaelknight4041]

I've always wanted to get into my fret work but never had the guts. I think I'm gonna try tho. I have plenty of guitars that can't really be made any worse! That I can practice on. There's a guy about an hour from me who's kinda legendary in the local area. He did a fret dress on a bottom of the line Gibson SG of mine and it really made it into a whole new guitar in terms of feel and playability. It's the difference between an ok guitar and a great guitar alot of the time

[@tomwhelan9872]

Like that you're not afraid to out these scammers. Way to go to bat for this client.

[@StevenHess]

Needs to take it up with Reverb too. Reverb will go after this guy.

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

i have told him..he will watch

[@eric_in_florida]

No tuner bushings lol. Those guys really know their stuff!

[@mndean5652]

USPS is the United States mail so Reverb shouldn't f'n complain about being called out, ever. Aaand I've heard horror stories about Reverb aplenty elsewhere, so I'm glad they cleaned up their act, if they did. When I sold my G&L bass, I didn't sell it through either Reverb or ebay. So thanks Dave, 12 years of subscribing has taught me a lot.

[@Ben_Mdws]

Ahh, the joys of buying old instruments online without being able to sit down in the store and trying ‘em first. Always a gamble

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

plays great !!

[@GoonSquadLifeMember]

Especially what 60 years does to manufactured wood, let alone human hands!

[@erickaufmancustomguitars1351]

In this case it's not a gamble. Return it. The seller lied about the description. That's enough to get a return. Regardless if he says no refunds.

[@DMSProduktions]

@@erickaufmancustomguitars1351 The law is on YOUR side!

[@oatnoid]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff Yeah, 'specially that old favorite: "Splang Twang Boing Klunk"

[@davidkastin4240]

I would only buy a guitar like this one or something similar from a reputable place, like Lawman Guitars. His tech goes through everything and he discloses everything about it.

[@Nightmerica]

Thank you for sharing the seller info. That’s a public service.

[@richardlewis1243]

thx for sticking up for the lil guy

[@briansimpson8116]

Wonderful honesty. We need more of this.

[@victorboucher675]

Long term vs short term, how long is some thinking about their business surviving?

[@chriswareham]

Getting this poor old guitar back into an excellent playable state would be a great collaboration between you and fellow Canuckian Ted Woodford. That would be KZbin gold.

[@washichurehab4573]

yeah but why

[@chriswareham]

@@washichurehab4573 yeah but why not

[@aniquinstark4347]

​@@ByDesignKatonahThe ads they run on their channels

[@chriswareham]

The owner of the guitar?

[@steveblease]

Sometimes old shit is just old shit

[@johnshank5282]

I had one of these ! The exact same model and year. Had it for over twenty years.

[@michaelknight4041]

Use to be one of these laying around my old drummers house that I'd pick up every once in a while.

[@Joetime90]

USPS is United States Postal Service for future reference. Tidewater Vintage is local to me as I live in the Tidewater region of Virginia. Gloucester is just up Route 17 past a bridge from me. If this is what they're selling locally and/or on Reverb I'll steer clear. Thanks for your nuggets of information in your videos! I've been tinkering on my bass guitars with success thanks to you.

[@tjsogmc]

I live southside and I've heard of that store. Nobody local has anything good to say about them.

[@oatnoid]

My first guitar was a Tiesco Silvertone -1967-69 electric. Sold by Sear. Bought from a friend. I still have it. I will never sell it Alvin.

[@pcbullets8726]

You just proved my point of never buying 2nd hand gear online. I have seen a lot of people get ripped off like this and it's pretty sad. This was outright robbery. Not to mention the guitar didn't even have the original neck. Great video Dave. Cheers!

[@grooooved]

Ease up, Bro. Haha It's not robbery when you can return for refund. Sheesh.

[@mikes9759]

Nice to see an upstanding guy again!! Getting hard to find these days!! A lot of people don't realize what it takes to make parts and do it correctly!! Rock On Dave!

[@jaex9617]

Great action...for slide.

[@3Y3ECE]

Horrible what people try to get away with. $1000 buys a bunch of different, decent instruments. In person, you can see and hold and play them. Thanks for the vid!!

[@TheFULLMETALCHEF]

Have a great weekend everyone!

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

You too!

[@danielbayer278]

I've got a similar Harmony guitar and yeah, banana neck. I got it for free back in the 80s, so I've never been particularly bothered by it, but it seems to be a common problem on Harmony/Kay necks without adjustable truss rods.

[@ericdee6802]

I have a Sears Silvertone bass, it has a funky wiker basket like material binding around the body of the guitar, it plays pretty well for what it is.

[@9th_note]

Damn, that action is so high I could almost live under it lol.

[@joethebar1]

Omg- that’s the exact guitar my dad had- I’ve never seen another silvertone quite like it. Unreal

[@eddepreist9178]

Maybe he wanted a birth year guitar?? I couldnt afford anything from 1955 unless as was some junk. Thanks for the sticker Dave!! You didn't have to do it.

[@bobbydill6388]

I have an original 1961 Silvertone Jupiter that I have owned since 1961. A little dinged up here and there, but great compared to that thing. I had thought about selling it for $500. Not now. Wow.

[@neilh9442]

Wisest comment of the video - "Don't buy junk online" good one Dave 👍

[@jltrem]

Reminds me of a Harmony H19 I got in the early days of eBay. Described as excellent condition. It was beat to holy shit with a dead pickup and neck issues. Luckily I got all my money back.

[@embreesmith7613]

You always sound so excited there, Dave. 😀

[@brianmccowan1949]

I hope you will follow up and let us know the outcome. It's strange. Your video is very clear on all the issues with this guitar. The dealer is active on Reverb and has great ratings from many customers. So I would hope that they rectify the situation and apologize to the customer.

[@BearSynth]

I bought a guitar from this seller back in 2019 and got screwed over too. It was expensive and poorly shipped and the guitar came unplayable and had busted a pickup. The seller denied everything and took zero accountability. Small World, lol

[@grooooved]

Never buy guitars online without a refund policy, a la PayPal. Pretty dumb to do otherwise.

[@ayeitsme6988]

I would never buy any instrument without playing and seeing it first.

[@Billkwando]

LOL I have like 10 guitars and didn't buy one of them in person, and they're all awesome. It's mainly old stuff like this you have to watch out for, and only buy stuff with excellent, clear photos, from sellers with perfect feedback.

[@ayeitsme6988]

@@Billkwando good for you, I like to see what I’m buying first. New or old.

[@castleanthrax1833]

I'm OK buying online if it's new, and from a business I know.

[@PaisleyPatchouli]

Those are fun guitars, but built very lightweight and fragile. I would never buy one sight unseen/unplayed. I'd be really pissed if I laid out close to a grand for a piece of crap like that; and it's good that you've called out the seller.

[@Goomer]

I got some Bushings for my Dano/Silvertone on Stew-Mac, make sure you measure and order right (as I didn't).

[@greghenderson4582]

My son has one of these and it sounds amazing of course he can play it ......but this sounds like the Hellhounds Robert Johnson spoke about !!! So these are great secret weapons

[@limpindug]

Well called Dave +1 to you bud. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍👍👍🥃Respect to you mate.

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

If I had more money than sense I’d be tempted to take the fingerboard off and rout out a truss rod channel. It’s almost practically firewood anyway 😉

[@snickers1019]

Exactly what I was thinking. Finger board should pop off and then rout a channel for a truss rod.

[@joeloxig6872]

@@snickers1019 yeah was thinking the same thing guys 👍

[@rodlepine233]

stew-mac did a video on straightening a neck it was the heat and bending it flat then putting in 2 parallel composite rods on either side of the steel bar

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

good luck stew mac are rich $$$..GFO

[@dashboardcrown]

You can buy nice guitars on Reverb, but you have to be careful. I saw a few red flags just in the brief glimpse of the listing here. That shipping was waaaaay too high also, at almost $200. That story about switching the neck, also a red flag. . .

[@Amp497]

Thanks for the cautionary video, Dave.

[@rchydrozz751]

That shop also sells sports cards and coins. That should tell you something.

[@jbrobertson2758]

Dave, why not remove the fingerboard, remove the 'steel reinforcement' bar, install an adjustable truss rod, reglue the board and make it playable? That would be a cool repair! Featuring the simple 3-screw neck-to-body connection, fat profile neck, light weight construction, and how it sounds.! The Jupiter is so Jetsons!!

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

who's buying?

[@mikebob7184]

Thanks Dave, There, I commented are you happy now?

[@twincam825]

Nice fire wood.

[@johnvenditto2908]

That's some expensive wall art there. I agree with many here Dave, thank you for exposing the scumbags. Caveat emptor.

[@DXPunx74]

I looked up this store. Funny they have no negative feedback. From what I have seen, they should have some strikes against them.

[@blairo1958]

same happened to me from reverb said the guitar was checked all was good they didn't tell me they replaced the first fret didn't drees it down the nut was no good I had to replaced that when I complained to them I got zero response

[@BeesWaxMinder]

Did the sellers watch this video? Did they comment?!

[@Billkwando]

That looks like a wallhanger at TGI Friday's.

[@nickdevriese]

That sucks. I stopped buying online after getting screwed once. Never again. I want to physically inspect and play it first.

[@rcracingwithjimi]

Sorry about what is happening up there.

[@sbrown1953]

Wallhanger/Birdhouse/Slide Guitar.

[@DPHC13]

love the LOOP shirt.

[@reedburke7762]

Wow! Please let us know what steps the seller is taking to make things right. Even so, do the electronics even work?

[@sparrowBoulay]

could ask a machine shop to make those bushings could be better than nothing

[@Anne6621]

wow have times changed , i remember back in like 1969 buying that same guitar for 30 dollars

[@castleanthrax1833]

Considering that would only be about 250 today, that is a good price.

[@jimballardband]

I gotta have a guitar in my hands before I buy. See y’all tonight for sandwiches 🥪!

[@jasonladd6400]

Been stung a couple of times on ebay but I just paid the tech to fix.

[@shea086]

Youre right to call this seller out. There,s alot of Cowboys out there.

[@tedtriestech8864]

Send it back! what’s the issue? I have seen them in almost perfect condition for this price. Not as described is an understatement

[@barnaclestval]

He need's to return it! Even if the shop sold it "As described" it's not & Reverb will back him.

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

who pays shipping and eats that..this is how they BONE YOU

[@barnaclestval]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff I had this happen to me. Got a guitar that was not as described. The seller basically ignored me so I contacted Reverb & they gave me a shipping label & refunded my money as soon as UPS picked up the guitar.

[@kellyvibert7861]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏KUDOS TO YOU SIR. I salute you.

[@bugzeye]

StewMac sells vintage style aged tuner bushings.

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

not that size Genius

[@bugzeye]

@Dave's World of Fun Stuff I think that if those were original tuners, the 1/4 inch bushings would work.... The seller should've disclosed this. Love your videos Dave, thanks.

[@BasicDrumming]

Great video.

[@SSRT_JubyDuby8742]

Good man for calling out the b^stard that sold this 👏 Like deployed 👍

[@briankavanagh7191]

Dave, @4:16 I see mathematics is not your strong point "1/16"is how many thousands, a lot"😂😂😂

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

GFO i made you think and fuked with yer head..be safe

[@indignow]

Wow... poor guy, right? spends 1k$ on his guitar discovering that it was sold reverbly-gooched

[@dorfsteen]

Dave is it possible to take the twist out of a neck with your heat bars?

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

no

[@dorfsteen]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff is it possible to take a twist out of a neck at all? Oh and by the way thank you for answering me God bless you and I hope things are going well😎

[@dorfsteen]

I got a Wolfgang standard Maple neck not roasted Maple. I bought it second-hand wolfgang standard Twisted neck I didn't look at it you know how it is until I tried to set it up and found out it had a twisted neck, I should have looked it over better before I bought, it but now I'm probably going to have to replace the neck if I can't straighten it out. Maybe the guy that sold it to me will give me back a couple bucks I don't know. I traded it for a couple guitars that I repaired and originally bought really cheap because of the stuff that they needed so I'm not taking much of a hit really.

[@tmx63]

How many of you were yelling at the screen "that's an eighth of an inch!!" at the 5:18 mark?

[@airbake]

Canadian band “Bahamas” signature sound. ,

[@JIMMSYMINGTON]

BRUTAL AF

[@centralscrutinizer7374]

Where ya at Dave? I have a 61 es 125T that needs full restoration including neck set. Interested? Great videos!

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

Toronto

[@nellayema2455]

I returned a '79 Epiphone Genesis with undisclosed damage bought on-line years ago. What a disappointment and hassle. That thing is just a wall hanger at this point. Bummer. Hopefully he can return it for a full refund. If he is able to return it, I would not be surprised if it shows up on Reverb again by the same seller, though. Question for you Dave: would a refret using frets with a wider tang take the forward bow out of it, or does the reinforcement rod prevent that from working? It wouldn't be worth the cost if it would work, I'm sure.

[@thefool2007]

Buddy was robbed. Sorry to hear that bad news.

[@studiomarand]

yes paypal should get his money back.

[@rickallen6378]

Keep us updated. The main reason I would never buy under these circumstances is the shipping. If these guys do take it back, he may be out almost 400.00 in shipping alone.

[@victorboucher675]

You pay for an education.

[@castleanthrax1833]

Not if it's not as described he shouldn't.

[@samlelowitch]

How about the gap between the neck and the neck pocket?

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

how about it?

[@samlelowitch]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff Just seems as though there’s an unusually large gap-or does the camera deceive me?

[@AuntAlnico4]

That's $600 guitar tops 👌

[@sentforth5]

That guy's right next to my hometown of Yorktown, Va.

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

show him the video

[@Ky6Stringer]

This is about as ridiculously priced as Reverb listings.

[@michaeldeanburnett625]

These guys are in my backyard. Good to know to avoid 'em!

[@patrickkem689]

That just pisses me off Dave. Did the guy ever peruse a refund on the guitar? Not sure about Reverbs return policy.,,,🤬 But the light at the end of the proverbial tunnel of doom. Is that he carried it to you my friend. If anything ever has a hope for survival. You are the whisper man! Although really crappy on how the deal went down. But hey maybe he can use it for a slide guitar.

[@niuog]

$196 shipping ? Dang

[@OzziePete1]

Aw man, this sucks. It's really not worth having anyone professionally fix it up/restore it. I really hope the buyer can get what he wants back. As ana side both Harmony & Silvertone have been resurrected recently and they both have 'Jupiter" models available. Obviously a new guitar, but it's construction is probably far better than what was done in 62 for a Silvertone.

[@roytofilovski9530]

As I already wrote, these things have gone up in value a lot recently. If the fellow can get half of his money back, then it is worth fixing. In good shape this thing can command over 1100 usd.

[@shane011471]

@@roytofilovski9530 This one does NOT have the original neck! It is NOT worth fixing as it's just a wall hanger, OR you could use it to keep yourself warm in the winter. These were student grade guitars with the build quality to match. Not worth the time or money even if he got the guitar for half the price that he paid!

[@roytofilovski9530]

@@shane011471 These things are valuable now. I'm not saying I agree with that fact, but it is a fact. I did forget about the neck thing, but even so it is worth about 400 usd.

[@shane011471]

@@roytofilovski9530 I get it BUT the new owner will need to spend about as much to make it playable correct? He has spent what something like 800 plus on the purchase and will need to spend about half of what he paid on top of that just to make it playable? Nothing but firewood in every respect...

[@w13rdguy]

Silver tones have increased in value, but it has to be the original neck. No way this would be worth it, unless it was sentimental or historical.

[@flippinheck]

Exactly, it's worth not much at all, it has to be all original nothing missing.

[@kdrake777]

Reverb usually sides with the buyer. It should be an easy return even if the seller disputes it. Jeremy Shepard did a video about a guitar he sold on Reverb. He disclosed every defect and Reverb still sided with buyer and he had to issue a refund. Tell the buyer to return and send this video to the buyer and to Reverb.

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

who pays the return freight cross border?

[@kootenaystringworks1765]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff The seller would have to as the guitar was misrepresented in the ad.

[@zzyzxRDFwy15]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff Probably the sucker that was gullible enough to buy it and pay $200 to ship it in the first place. Unfortunately it's a form of a stupid tax from the school of hard knocks.

[@smasica]

Ouch.

[@mastercylinder1939]

I buy my junk locally, that way, I don’t at much for it.

[@kirkwilson8738]

Pull the fingerboard from the neck, pull out the steel reinforcement if possible. Fill that slot with wood that held the steel beam. Route it properly for a truss rod to be installed. Glue the fingerboard back on and you should be good if everything works out properly.. That is alot of work though... Otherwise I am sure you could get someone to make an exact replacement neck.. Of course this all costs money for a purchase that was already supposed to play good.. Lots of people getting Hoodwincked on Reverb lately.. My sympathy for the guy who got ripped off.. Way to go Dave.. Super Happy that you are not afraid to call the scammer out on social media.. Complete Horse SH&T

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

how much? $$$

[@BeesWaxMinder]

What did the buyer do in the end? Did he keep it? Did you get a refund?!

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

yes and yes partial refund

[@BeesWaxMinder]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff thanks👍

[@loupascarelli]

Say , Bro ! If it were a car , you could always be able to jack up the radiator cap , and slide another car underneath it .. Just saying , of course ..

[@wanieldeir2]

Their Reverb account says they do easy returns, why not just send it back? I always check the return policy for each seller if I'm looking at a guitar, but even if the seller says they don't take returns, Reverb can get involved and force a return if the condition is not as described. Don't ask how I know.

[@DavesWorldofFunStuff]

cross border shipping here and back is quite a bit of change

[@wanieldeir2]

@@DavesWorldofFunStuff Seller should have to pay. Hoping for a good outcome from your customer. From Reverb's Help Center: "Do I need to pay for return shipping? In damaged or not as described situations, if the item is being returned back, the seller is responsible for that return shipping cost. In most situations, you can provide a return shipping label at a discount via your Reverb Orders page."

[@jamesadams1064]

It’s got the action of a square neck dobro. What crap/

[@TheHangarHobbit]

Why anybody would pay that kind of money for a Silvertone I will never know.

[@NickRatnieks]

The guitar has a replacement neck and the tuners look like tacky items- not what the neck would have had when new. This model came with single unit Waverly tuners with plastic buttons and hexagonal ferrules. On another matter, this Silvertone model is based on the Harmony H-49 Stratotone Jupiter so I don't know why it has a Kay made neck- other than it fitted and was used to replace the original Harmony neck. These guitars do sell for a lot of money ( one I saw recently was $1650) and this one was far less expensive than many you see. As a guitar chock full of non-original parts, this explains its lower price- assuming it was in top shape elsewhere all would have been well. Ideally, someone ought to try and find an original neck but I suppose fixing the neck it now has is a sensible alternative as it might take a long time to get the genuine neck as a part. Do you plan to follow up where this goes? This should show the sold $1650 example sold recently on YT. 1962 Silvertone 1423 (Harmony Stratotone Jupiter) semihollow electric guitar Jake Wildwood