Love those Saints uniform with the gold numbers and black outline very sharp 👌
@jeffthewhiff8 жыл бұрын
I love these types of videos from the "old NFL" days! The Saints original uniforms were pretty cool too. They should bring those back sometime.
@ZeusDragon Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@kennethhoffman88459 жыл бұрын
I had season tickets in 1967 and 68. Like many, I remember the John Gilliam kickoff return very well. We were in the north end zone just under the upper deck. Gilliam was running right towards us. When he reached about the Saint's 30 you could see he was in the open and going to go the distance. But after that, we couldn't see him anymore because everyone was jumping up and down in front of us... Great memory.....
@aldixon19778 жыл бұрын
+Ali Frazier: That's funny, I don't remember seeing you there.
@kennethhoffman88458 жыл бұрын
You were too busy jumping up and down. Remember?
@aldixon19778 жыл бұрын
+Ali Frazier: Now I remember! Boy, those were the days! :)
@337shooters Жыл бұрын
How old r u 😂
@wyattbdv5 жыл бұрын
Damn, first play of the franchise is a kickoff return touchdown
@patotmaster77472 ай бұрын
All downhill from there.
@MJ-dq8ik Жыл бұрын
AMAZING footage. I became a die hard Saints fan two years later in 1969 (I was 7).
@andyr131310 жыл бұрын
Ah, the good old days- beat-up fields, fights, and one of the best football names ever- Steve Stonebreaker...
@3243_9 жыл бұрын
andyr1313 The Saints had a tremendous postgame brawl with the Giants in New York in 1967. Too bad that's when the NFL used to censor what was shown on TV.
@major6009 жыл бұрын
I like the original Saints' uniforms more than any other they've ever had. I even like the oversize fleur-de-lis and striped socks.
@3243_9 жыл бұрын
major600 I prefer the larger and more squared numbers on the 1969 jerseys myself.
@3243_9 жыл бұрын
major600 But then ALL of the NFL and AFL teams had cool uniforms in 1967. Better uniforms than the ones of today.
@jeffreyt.steptoe53069 жыл бұрын
threeby8887 Amen, to that!!! That's why I love when teams wear their throwbacks!!!
@bobscott74409 жыл бұрын
+major600 Also notice no names on the backs of the jerseys of either team. The NFL didn't start putting them on until 1970, the first year following the NFL-AFL merger. If I'm not mistaken, the AFL started putting the players' names on the jerseys from the beginning in 1960.
@steveswangler63737 жыл бұрын
the AFL did start putting player names on the jerseys from the start of their league. they did it to build stars in their league and so the fans could get to know the players quicker.
@steveswangler63737 жыл бұрын
some may find this interesting, but in the highlights from the Falcon game, number 8 making the touchdown catch for the Falcons was Hall of Famer Tommy McDonald, who made his name with the Eagles. Tommy was the last player in league history to play without a facemask.
@rustyduet97114 жыл бұрын
Actually, the last player in the NFL to play without a facemask was Bill Hewitt, #56 with the 1950's Chicago Bears. Facemasks were mandatory with the start of the 1960's.
@howardcosell20223 жыл бұрын
Detroit defensive back Wayne Rasmussen used to take off his face mask when holding for kickers. He did this until he retired in 1972
@Mr1gladiatore7 жыл бұрын
Wish I could relive those days all over again. So much better than today.
@marcschneider48452 жыл бұрын
Are you serious?
@boogaleeboutte11 жыл бұрын
WOW! thanks for this! I was at all of those first season home games.
@karlcooper84603 жыл бұрын
Billy Kilmer was actually a half back at one time hard to believe looking at him in this clip.
@TylerManter-ng9xm7 ай бұрын
Im From Delaware . I love My Saints .
@raybraud1568 Жыл бұрын
Been to numerous Tulane Stadium Saints game, and one Super Bowl, Steelers vs Vikings, 16-6 Steelers.
@goatbees3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for sharing!!!
@gordonteats298 Жыл бұрын
STEELERS MAKE IT TOUGH by APOLOGETIX a great football song
@theprofessor85895 жыл бұрын
Abramowicz was ballin' in that Steelers game.
@billbrowne56559 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to be on Bourbon Street after that inaugural win. It must have been one helluva night back in 67.
@3243_9 жыл бұрын
8:27--linebacker Steve Stonebreaker, who started a Saints tradition of unique names. Later would come the likes of Jubilee Dunbar, D'Artagnian Martin, Tinker Owens, Hoyle Granger, Bivian Lee, Delles Howell, Elois Grooms, Derland Moore, Hokie Gajan, Hoby Brenner, and Jumpy Geathers.
@3243_9 жыл бұрын
+threeby8887 Oh yeah, I forgot Monty Stickles.
@timdub709 жыл бұрын
+threeby8887 ....and Bum Phillips brought over Guido Merkens over from Houston.
@3243_9 жыл бұрын
Tim Warneking Thank you. I knew I was forgetting somebody.
@bobscott24298 жыл бұрын
Also: Happy Feller, Wimpy Winther, Remi Prudhomme, Elex Price, Emanuel Zanders, Toussaint Tyler, Jitter Fields, Toi Cook, Othello Henderson, Mike Stonebreaker (yes, Steve's son), Mercury Hayes, Ink Aleaga, Jerry Fontenot, La'Roi Glover, and Jake Delhomme.
@3243_3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget in the late '90s when they had a quarterback controversy between Billy Joe Tolliver and Billy Joe Hobert.
@lastinline14205 жыл бұрын
I wish people were like they were back then. Imagine being able to go to New Orleans and not worry about being shot by some thug. I live near N.O. And we used to go to saints games as teenagers and never worried about anything.
@donsemo48042 жыл бұрын
When I was in High School in San Diego, the Saints use to have their training camp at a college near the ocean in Point Loma, San Diego. I use to watch them train for at least a couple of summers.
@mikemassimini1814 Жыл бұрын
Cal Western University.
@jenniferrobertson39407 жыл бұрын
We may have not been so good back then, but since 2009 and 2010, we will become the dominant team! #IBleedBlackAndGold
@MKIVWWI9 жыл бұрын
These were the best years of the Saints. Best years of the NFL. Best years of our lives!
@MKIVWWI8 жыл бұрын
BTW, good Sixties music at 17:10. Has that Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass sound.
@jeffreyt.steptoe53067 жыл бұрын
"Best years" of the Saints, weren't they a first-year expansion team, did they not win the Super Bowl in 2010?
@jeffreyt.steptoe53067 жыл бұрын
Love, Herb Alpert!!!
@marcschneider48452 жыл бұрын
You must have pretty low standards considering how bad the Saints were in those days.
@jcoolguy1548 Жыл бұрын
I wasn't around during that time, so I wouldn't know, but I think our best years were definitely in the Brees/Peyton era. Our second best era was the Dome Patrol era
@FuriousMan2264 жыл бұрын
Members of the 1967 Saints in the Pro Football Hall of Fame Doug Atkins Jim Taylor Paul Hornung (offseason, retired before season began) Tom Fears (coach, elected as player)
@frankdenardo86843 жыл бұрын
Tom Fears was playing against his old team. Deacon Jones, Merlin Olson, Tom Mack are Los Angeles Rams Hall of Fame members.
@geraldritchey48228 жыл бұрын
Why can't they get the same color gold as this? The current uniforms don't look half as good as these.
@johnperrigo64747 жыл бұрын
I agree. Maybe it's the material they're made out of?
@geraldritchey48227 жыл бұрын
The helmets are not the same gold as the originals, either.
@c.a.whodat6 жыл бұрын
Sorry guys I'm gonna have to disagree. I like to call this gold "bumblebee gold" bc of how similar the color is to a bee, but let me just tell you guys this color would just look very outdated on the Saints uniforms today in the 21st century.
@melvingira6 жыл бұрын
I really like both retro and current, but I'd definitely prefer a melding of the two. There are elements of both that are very attractive. If you could go back throughout the years and pick this or that and tie it all together in just the right style/combo, they would be perfect!
@pac4018 жыл бұрын
Narrated by the great Don Criqui !
@Seenya595 жыл бұрын
Amen! He was the best, wasn't he? I always loved listening to him call a game.
@mikevanriel75735 жыл бұрын
He must have been young.
@michaelleroy92813 жыл бұрын
Bring back that large logo on the helmets , They wear that jersey as a throwback now
@ZeusDragon Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting my friend
@ChuckNorris6763 жыл бұрын
Crazy what I’m about to say but you can’t make it up...I’m a life-long die hard fan of the saints (never been to a game though, SAD i know) but having never even known about Tulane stadium, my brain surmised a crazy dream of going to a home game and it was outside for some reason...I’m 25 and they’ve always played in the super dome so i found that peculiar. Nevertheless, I think I was always meant to be a fan!
@TheZom19658 жыл бұрын
Monty Stickles was a good tough tight end.
@frankdenardo86843 жыл бұрын
The New Orleans Saints head coach was Hall of Fame wide receiver Tom Fears. The team he played against was his old team.
@williamr.whiting65432 ай бұрын
Great uniforms on both teams.
@johnperrigo64746 жыл бұрын
Wow, they cheered the visitors in the first game! Has that happened since? And I have a feeling they had more fun back then. Now it's all corporate advertising and bs like that dominating everything. I hate how loud games have become between the ads and the stuff I hesitate to call music they play.
@metalmat36517 жыл бұрын
Very good film work for the 60s
@kurtmanasco673 жыл бұрын
I wasn't Born this year and have grown up with the Saints and have been there Good and Bad
@enlightenedwarrior71194 жыл бұрын
Tulane stadium was a blast
@1010Huey8 жыл бұрын
I love the cool, cooool music on this video Daddy-O!
@michaelleroy92812 жыл бұрын
In the opening game the Rams made a rare appearance in the blue jerseys
@tonyaltano79923 ай бұрын
The Rams switched to blue & yellow colors in 1973 to adapt to color TV which had become common.
@Carol-ii4gz4 жыл бұрын
Chills
@1perfectstrangerr10 жыл бұрын
John Gilliam,Doug Atkins, Jim Taylor, & Bill Kilmer were all on this team...
@theprofessor85895 жыл бұрын
Should have kept Gilliam.
@frankdenardo86844 жыл бұрын
@@theprofessor8589 Jazz Legend Al Hirt plays When The Saints Go Marching In. It is the fight song.
@jeffsmith20228 жыл бұрын
You can trust your car to the man who wears the star...
@3243_3 жыл бұрын
3:50--looks like the Saints had a bench-clearer in their first ever game. They would have a near-riot at Yankee Stadium against the Giants a couple of weeks later.
@nolaserv2 жыл бұрын
I want to know if anyone remembers the noise in Tulane Stadium. I remember when the Saints made a good play, we would stomp our feet on the metal flooring and yell at the same time. It sounded like the whole stadium was going to fall down. When I got to the Superdome, it just didn't seem like enough noise for me. I tried slaming the seats up and down but no one caught on. That made a good pounding noise......Yes, I agree, this was the "hayday" of the NFL and AFL. It was called KILL YOUR APPONENT!! Eat your heart out Roger Goodell with your Bounty Gate BS. This was real football. They gave their bodies up for the game and loved it..... I can just about remember all of the players names that year and the year after. But if we had 4 wins we would call that a winning season. We've come a long way since then and got the respect we long deserved. I just hope our unfortunate changes will bring us a new fortune.
@williamsanderson4514 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely was deafening Loudest I've ever heard.
@nolaserv Жыл бұрын
@@williamsanderson4514 👍
@placekicker1 Жыл бұрын
Hey, Man. First of all, congrats on your material, as it brings back quite the memories and it's been really helpful in filling some historical voids. And on that note, you think that it'd be possible to use some clips of it for educational, researching and custom purposes? It'd be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
@ArthurHarmon-f1j3 ай бұрын
Love this living in Nashville tn Saturday morning cartoons nfl game of the week this week in pro football Saturday night creature feature sir Cecil creep wish I could go back thanks very much
@missbuddyd477110 жыл бұрын
The kickoff shown at 1:20 was not the opening kickoff of the inaugural game. That return was 94 yards and if you watch the video there was another player next to Gilliam when he received the kick. Nice video though.
@jimrip5210 жыл бұрын
Nice catch! However, it looks like only the beginning of the run was inserted in.. he actually took the ball in at the 6 or 7 yard line, not the goal line. But the rest of the run looks legit, all the way to where he tosses the ball into the stands while standing on the Saints shield logo.
@MrAllenbarr Жыл бұрын
Don Criqui was one of the best announcers.
@Rescue1623 жыл бұрын
I worked with a guy who attended that first New Orleans Saints season opener in 1967 against the Rams. Legend has it that after that Saints opening kickoff touchdown, there was so much pandemonium in the stand that the game was delayed 20 minutes. Anyone has the real story?
@waynegrabert68392 жыл бұрын
I've never heard that legend before, so it sounds like a fish story.
@mikemassimini1814 Жыл бұрын
I was there. I recall no delay.
@MrZeldalove6 жыл бұрын
Read the Atlanta paper after the Falcons' loss in New Orleans and the writer said the dejected silence in the Atlanta locker room was deafening. The Falcons would only tie the woebegone, defenseless Redskins and beat the Vikings in 1967. A Saints player said he wished they could get the Falcons every week and, needless to say, the Atlanta players cared nothing for it. THIS...is where the rivalry started; a bitter, last-minute defeat to an upstart team they were sure they'd beat, and then, the gloating. Next year in Atlanta Stadium (pre season, Falcons won it) a bench-clearing free-for-all erupted towards the end of the game because of a late hit. It was completely out of control. NFL Films has it somewhere in a piece called, "Your Father's Mustache." Today, the rivalry is total bullcrap, cooked up off the fumes of something that was ONCE real during THAT time with THOSE players from each team, and fanned around by phony PR departments from both teams. In the late 1960's, those guys on the Saints and the Falcons had a genuine dislike for one another. Back in the 80's a reporter asked a Falcon about the rivalry. He responded that the Saints were the same guys as the Falcons, except that they wore gold uniforms and to him, it was just another game.
@randompolishguy64766 жыл бұрын
Tommy Thomason bruh trust me I hate Atlanta more then any team in the league they play dirty and the whole 90’s playoffs with them trust me it’s more then u think
@tommythomason61874 жыл бұрын
@@randompolishguy6476 May very well have been. Guys don't hang around with the same team for an entire career like they did back then, what with free agency and all. The early Saints/Falcons had a genuine distate for each other, but that vanished when those players moved on. Falcons' 62-7 pasting of the Saints in New Orleans in 1973 kind of rekindled the rivalry. In later years, long after that game, one of the '73 Falcons said, "We didn't run up the score, they were just sorry."
@thomasspears28094 жыл бұрын
Im a real Saints fan And I actually dont hate Atlanta. It is what it is.oh well everyone isnt the same lol
@thomasspears28094 жыл бұрын
I hate the Panthers and The Buccanneers!
@thomasspears28094 жыл бұрын
Even tho The Falcons are our rival but still. I cant hate a team and city that a lot of my folks are from.
@karlcooper84603 жыл бұрын
That kick return was the very first play in the saints history how ironic considering their history.
@davecody43268 күн бұрын
My brother was original member of the team #66 Now hanging on
@davecody43268 күн бұрын
He gave me abramowitz' cleats
@mikevanriel757310 жыл бұрын
Number 42 John Gilliam who took the opening kickoff for a touchdown. Is this the same John Gilliam who would later play for the Minnesota Vikings in 2 Super Bowls?
@ColoradoGreenHills10 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is. Gilliam played with the Saints and Cardinals before joining the Vikings for the 1972-1975 seasons. Gilliam was an incredible receiver and kick returner (for example, besides the opening Saints return for a TD, Gilliam had a very long kickoff return, if not a TD, in the Vikings Super VIII defeat by the Dolphins, called back due to a Vikings penalty). In his writeup in the official book on the Vikings players voted the 50 best for the franchise's 50th anniversary in 2010, Gilliam is quoted as saying something like most of his life he loved to run so much, he would make every effort to run 8 miles a day.
@billbrowne565510 жыл бұрын
ColoradoGreenHills Yeah. I was about 10 years old when he came to the Vikings, and one of the most underrated and perhaps underappreciated Viking. Tarkenton really liked him. I think Ahmad Rashad made people forget about him, but I never forgot about number 42.
@davidjames79499 жыл бұрын
+Bill Brown YOU MEAN BOBBY MOORE NOT AHMAD RASHAD! THAT WAS HIS NAME WHEN HE CAME INTO THE NFL!
@mikevanriel75739 жыл бұрын
When did Bobby Moore changed his name to Ahmad Rashad? It had to be before he became a Viking.
@davidjames79499 жыл бұрын
I THINK HE WAS WITH THE VIKINGS WHEN HE CHANGED HIS NAME!
@mikevanriel75739 жыл бұрын
Don Criqui must have been young when he narrated this film. I don't think he was even 30 years old.
@itiswhatitaintanditaintwha14278 жыл бұрын
The year and city I was born!
@kennetholiver96519 ай бұрын
ALLTHOUGH I AM NOT A SANTS FAN I LOVE THOSE OLD UNIFORMS YHEY WORE IN 1967 YES THAT IS THE SAME JONH GILLIAM HE PLAY FOR THE VIKINGS & AND THE ST LOUIS CSRDINALS TOO KENNETH O
@karlcooper84603 жыл бұрын
We are told that players now days are bigger,stronger and faster I don't think so.
@ms.felonystrutter24726 жыл бұрын
My Dallas Cowboys look so beautiful. WOW, that Cowboys game is really amazing. Here is the box score of the game. You will see Dan Reeves fumbled after hand off from #13 Jerry Rhome. Jerry was our third string QB. Meredith was injured and they must have pulled Morton or Landry was rotating Morton and Rhome at QB. In the box score Jerry is not a record of playing so they must have pulled Morton or he was injured and Jerry did not throw a pass. Thankfully GOOD OLE Billy Kilmer, the deadskin that he is fumbled. **ALSO.., they played the Cowboys twice this season and they used those highlights in this film as well. The Cowboys wore their blue jerseys against them at New Orleans. I so love those uniforms and do NOT believe the bullshit rumor of them being "bad luck" since they had a wining record in those jerseys. OMG my Cowboys blue uniforms were so amazing for that time. What makes me mad is this exciting finish for the game played in Dallas was NOT included in the Cowboys 1967 highlight film so now I have to save for my Cowboys video collection. Thanks for posting here are both Cowboys box scores. www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/196710150dal.htm and second game www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/196711120nor.htm
@brianherrington72262 жыл бұрын
I went to the first game between the Cowboys and Saints in the Cotton Bowl and it was a mudd pit. I had a broken arm from a elementary school football injury and it was so rainy my cast dissolved down to the elbow.
@karlcooper84603 жыл бұрын
The saints looked like the University of purdue.
@michaelleroy92813 жыл бұрын
Can't do much better than their first ever play
@donnycarlson70393 жыл бұрын
I've seen this on ESPN classic
@karlcooper84603 жыл бұрын
Even the names of the players back then were cooler.
@walkergillette39187 жыл бұрын
LOT OF LATE HITS IN THE 60'S
@tonyaltano79923 ай бұрын
Starting in 2000 they ruined the New O. helmet logo making the emblem smaller & added another lined layer around it.
@jeffreyt.steptoe53069 жыл бұрын
Never knew the N.F.L. had a player with the #0, saw some #00(Really "100" but of course, no room on a jersey for the three digits), but never knew there was #0 worn by any N.F.L./Professional football player.
@fieldguy3169 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey T. Steptoe Jim Otto #00 Kenny Burroughs who played 1 yr with the Saints also #00 only 2 i'm aware of
@DNSKansas9 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey T. Steptoe Obert Logan wore #0 with the 1967 Saints. His nickname, fittingly, was the BIG O.
@3243_9 жыл бұрын
+Jeffrey T. Steptoe Redskin running back Johnny Oslewski (I think that's the correct spelling) wore #0 in the late 1950s and early '60s.
@jeffthewhiff8 жыл бұрын
+threeby8887 Yes, and I believe Jim Otto of the Raiders also wore a "double zero' on his jersey.
@thomascarson82137 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Ken Burroughs who wore "00" with the Houston Oilers.
@enlightenedwarrior71194 жыл бұрын
It was a college atmosphere back then
@jeffsmith20228 жыл бұрын
Ernie,the wheell,Wheelright,from the Giants
@stillbill64083 жыл бұрын
Third and short...."give it to da wheel"!! I was a kid and remember.
@timtebowsleftarm536810 жыл бұрын
Don Criqui. Awesomeness.
@malcolmpusey95356 жыл бұрын
Was he the Voice of the Saints at that time?
@mf748210 жыл бұрын
The Philadelphia Eagles
@porkchopgravy57115 жыл бұрын
Were they Tulane or new Orleans
@howardcosell20223 жыл бұрын
Played in Tulane Stadium until they moved to the Superdome in 1975
@michaelleroy92812 жыл бұрын
Paul Hornung retired before the season so he didn't play with Jim Taylor
@karlcooper84603 жыл бұрын
Who wore no(0) for New orleans?
@michaelleroy92812 жыл бұрын
Obert Logan from Dallas Cowboys in the expansion draft
@jeffreyt.steptoe53069 жыл бұрын
Wonder why the Saints in the day wore their white jerseys at home, possibly the humidity of the south?
@kennethhoffman88459 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey T. Steptoe All teams wore white at home back then......
@chrisbacos9 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey T. Steptoe That's exactly why they did it. Even today many teams back east will choose white in September due to the heat and humidity. Come mid-October they wear dark jerseys to keep warm.
@chrisbacos9 жыл бұрын
Ali Frazier No they didn't. Starting in the mid 60s both the AFL and NFL enacted a policy of allowing home team choice of color which persists to this day. It is still common as I mentioned for teams in the eastern half of the country to choose white in September then by mid-October you'll see them in dark jerseys.
@3243_3 жыл бұрын
The Saints didn't wear their black jerseys at home until 1969. They went back to wearing white at home from 1971 through mid-1975.
@michaelleroy92812 жыл бұрын
@@3243_ White at home for one game against Houston in 1976 and all of 1981 and 1982
@EddieCalandro10 жыл бұрын
yes the saints foolishly traded him to st. louis, he ended up in minnesota, they also foolishly traded ken burrough to the oilers
@bigjoe411010 жыл бұрын
The biggest mistake was trading the #1 pick in the whole draft for Gary Cuozzo, the Colts backup QB. Cuozzo was a pretty good QB, but was not going to do much with a expansion team. They could have had Bubba Smith, who would have anchored their defensive line for many years. Billy Kilmer was not bad for an expansion QB, and I am sure they could have traded for a serviceable QB like King Hill or Bob Berry for a mid-round draft pick.
@3243_9 жыл бұрын
eddie gabriel Yeah, but my Oilers made up for that a decade later by firing Bum Phillips and you guys got him.
@jeffreyt.steptoe53067 жыл бұрын
"Gumbo"(LOL).
@davidgiusto15429 жыл бұрын
I/2 a gigabyte for a 30 minute program..interesting.
@karlcooper84603 жыл бұрын
I don't think Jim Taylor played the whole season.
@mikemassimini1814 Жыл бұрын
He did, actually. He retired in the 1968 season, before the regular season started.
@anthonybreit64616 жыл бұрын
who dat beat them saints!!
@eddiekulp1241 Жыл бұрын
The wins were presented in wrong order , Redskins win was last not the Falcons
@lamronnem71518 жыл бұрын
WHO DAT
@geraldritchey63826 жыл бұрын
Now they got trashy rap music. Disgusting. America is doomed.
@crb46410 жыл бұрын
Why did they have the visiting team's name in one of the endzones?
@EddieCalandro10 жыл бұрын
in those days it was called sportsmanship, many teams did this, cowboys had the goal posted padding of the opponent...nfl should return to this kind of sportsmanship
@jeffreyt.steptoe53069 жыл бұрын
Ryan Bohannon Just what the N.F.L. used to do, a practice I did not like cause it's hard to tell whom the home an visiting teams are.
@mickberry1646 жыл бұрын
They painted the endzone every game. One side for the opposing team. I remember being on the field during the week, watching the guy paint it with a spray gun.
@stillbill64083 жыл бұрын
@@EddieCalandro yeah right (respectfully )....they won't stand for the national anthem (in spite of the fact that the NFL emblem/sheild has the red, white and blue stars and bars on it).
@carseye1219 Жыл бұрын
Why would a team that had such great uniforms go to that godawful black from neck to shoes "leotard" look of today?