Nothing has changed all they do is complain about pay and work condition !
@jafll1419 ай бұрын
@@265hemi7Rightfully so
@Kylefassbinderful4 жыл бұрын
This was the first episode I believe. This show was way ahead of its time. RIP Don Hewitt, Mike Wallace, Harry Reasoner, Morley Safer, Ed Bradley, and Andy Rooney.
@newshodgepodge6329 Жыл бұрын
When did Mike Wallace go? I don't remember hearing anything about it.
@MisterBourgolini5 ай бұрын
@@newshodgepodge6329 He died of dementia in 2012.
@richardrevis88934 жыл бұрын
There were really too many racist people with power in this whole system for way too long.
@ThebigGLRams4 жыл бұрын
Theres still many of them
@cornelldavis67034 жыл бұрын
Gee rams the WS r everywhere !!!!
@my1rule4 жыл бұрын
From jobs...to school admissions...to bank loans...to POLICE!!!...to media, to politicians...etc
@cornelldavis67034 жыл бұрын
James Williams in all areas of human activity and interaction!!!
@garethHK8084 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Joe Biden a politician back then?
@stephenwilliams76464 жыл бұрын
If you AFRAID AT WORK this may be a bad career choice PERIOD
@Sashabooboo4 жыл бұрын
It's a bad career choice, period. Afraid or not.
@tonyblaze31514 жыл бұрын
Don't you hate the oppressor try to play the victim after they do the evil to the innocent
@antonybrown4324 жыл бұрын
@Jason Bouphasavanh when they lie and say they fear for their life they need to get another damn job
@sweetbeauty21534 жыл бұрын
@@antonybrown432 Absolutely!!
@Perfectpearl4 жыл бұрын
10:45 Right. Lol
@suziealton59854 жыл бұрын
Exactly right because we never bothered fixing this in the first place 50 years ago But I think everybody should watch this
@dbigtime10bt4 жыл бұрын
Agree 100% !
@265hemi74 жыл бұрын
Law enforcement will never , ever , change ! The blue wall of silence needs to be smashed down for a Start ! Few cops report misconduct ! Those that do it's a career ending move ! And most crooked cops keep their jobs ! I know of a case where an Australian detective broke a guys jaw ! It went to court the guy got some compensation ! But the cop got promoted to detective Sgt and transferred to a nearby station as Officer in charge of the criminal investigation unit ! No penalty !
@laragreene83284 жыл бұрын
pOLICE DEPTS need to provide stress management for cops ;-) Then they wouldnt constantly be trying to take their stress out on ppl!!
@MrsSANDRALMOSLEYIII3 жыл бұрын
@@265hemi7 A GREAT "POST" NOTICE THE LACK OF ATTENTION ???? WHERE'S THE MEDIA ON THIS ????
@oldcop18 Жыл бұрын
@@265hemi7In a foreign country w/no reference so we can check on the reality of this claim.
@serenaserena68754 жыл бұрын
1968- when "law and order" was used as the gimmick to stifle the civil rights movement but reported like a victim & solution
@collinhennessy31904 жыл бұрын
1967 Pierson v Ray. That's where the problem started.
@ghostofcrypto19684 жыл бұрын
I'm from Cincinnati. 41 yes old. I'm charged with carjacking, but it's really a simple car theft. I was "arrested" by firefighters unlawfully, but judge barrett ignored my 4th amendment claim. I went to trial and was convicted by an all white jury, 17 yr sentence. My case is not really a federal case. Vindictive prosecution. I've been gone since May 2012. I have a 10yr old son. No one was hurt in my case. No property damage. The judge continually coached the prosecutor. I've been fighting from the law library by myself for 8 yrs. I learned about bitcoin in 2017 reading THE INTERNET OF MONEY by Andreas Antonopoulos and I created a class to teach other prisoners. I've also completed more than 25 education and re-entry courses during my time in prison. I transferred to a new prison 6 months ago because my dad has STAGE 4 lung cancer because he couldn't travel to visit. The prisoners in this new prison have a way of smuggling in cell phones. Three months ago my mother hit the lottery and paid a fellow prisoner here $1,000 for this used smartphone that I have. Two months ago I joined Facebook to create a group to continue educating people about bitcoin technology and I'm now up to 267 members, single-handedly. The name of my group is NEW MONEY: REVOLUTION
@MichaelScreamMachineEvans4 жыл бұрын
It still is....now its paired with Femmist and LGBTQ/immigrants When our issues come up...its Law and Order ohhh yeah and what about the Gays.....Blahh Blahh Blahh....there's other People Besides yourselves 😑😑😑😑
@charlessedlacek57543 жыл бұрын
Gimmick? You would probably be the first one to cry for the cops if you were mugged or in a riot.
@ariw94054 жыл бұрын
And nothing changes except the fashion
@rubbersoul37234 жыл бұрын
From Rhode Island-Thanks for the post-60 Minutes at it's best-professional, responsible and balanced-and nobody ever did it better than Mike Wallace-so good to see him again.
@pumpkinpie2008-s4y4 жыл бұрын
Was this filmed in 2020? Nothing has changed. #defundthepolice
@travisbrown65954 жыл бұрын
Dharshini Joseph Nothing in white supremacy has changed in the last 500 years
@philipwilliams79474 жыл бұрын
not a chance. dumbest thing i ever heard. more training yes. you cant defund and not improve security.
@allenfreeland64944 жыл бұрын
This was in 1968 and not a damn thing has changed because cops are now killers.
@scerati214 жыл бұрын
If anything the police need more funding for better training..that’s coming from me 2x felon dad also did 15 yrs in prison n my uncle is doing life for killing a cop..that’s the only way things change and that’s what everyone really wants
@writerconsidered4 жыл бұрын
@@travisbrown6595 Except almost everything. Black people are no longer slaves (except for prison which needs to change). Black people have better opportunities then they have ever had anytime in the last 500 yrs. And before you call me a trumpian or any other right wing slur. I'm liberal who still understands a lot more still needs to change, I have been watching these out of control cops for the last decade and have been scream it has to stop. However there has been more change in the last 50 yrs then the previous 500. BLM matters and the changes need to continue and the cops need to change. But it is happening, yes with too much resistance which makes those changes too slow but nonetheless it is changing and has been changing in the last 50 yrs and accelerated in the last ten since cameras are everywhere now. And the last sane supreme court decision which stated cops can no long stop people from filming them. We aren't there yet but we are at least heading in the right direction.
@babyjesus20254 жыл бұрын
We ñeed less, better trained, better paid police officers .
@governorgame92154 жыл бұрын
My pops was 7 years old when this aired on tv. Nothing has changed
@henryhill18762 жыл бұрын
That's STRAIGHT UP B.S
@oldcop18 Жыл бұрын
I was 22 in 1968, a working cop in a major city & a LOT has changed.
@TayDays11287 ай бұрын
@@oldcop18 can you give your opinion on what has changed. Many people still get harassed & brutalized by cops.
@lolag.96204 жыл бұрын
And nothing has changed!!
@chrisandersen56354 жыл бұрын
Wow 60 Minutes, thanks for all these depressingly timely and necessary uploads.
@jayrock45294 жыл бұрын
Testament to just how both parties can't or won't fix it.
@RemainWoke4 жыл бұрын
WHEN do u ever hear Firemen and Women complain about how difficult their job is?!?!?!
@taylorlibby76424 жыл бұрын
Women? When have women ever NOT complained about that?
@mtnmaniac84064 жыл бұрын
Nada, NEVER, EVER.....
@Rockoblocko4 жыл бұрын
@@taylorlibby7642 he meant firemen and firewomen.
@taylorlibby76424 жыл бұрын
@@Rockoblocko Whooooooooooosh!!! Watch out low flying aircraft.
@Rockoblocko4 жыл бұрын
@@taylorlibby7642 But I'm sure they complain about something...
@eilenekellogg70174 жыл бұрын
Why is it always about money?, If a person has a bad personality with with psychopath traits, no amount of money is going to change those problems!
@travisbrown65954 жыл бұрын
Eilene Kellogg Exactly
@ilanspierer74964 жыл бұрын
This needs more views and I just started watching.
@BE-bk1tb4 жыл бұрын
This guy predicted the future.
@jolness13 жыл бұрын
We love and miss you Mike. So young here. Crazy to see. It’s 2022 and we still have a lot of the same issues with policing and with police being underpaid and undertrained. Crazy this was almost 65yrs ago, progress has been made but not enough
@trufflesrheaven2 жыл бұрын
54 years ago..not 65. Wow! Your math is way off.
@billmason27852 жыл бұрын
I'm 54.... stick with 65 yrs ago and tell social security....I want my check,🤣
@redtra2367 ай бұрын
65 years ago was 1959
@sherrigaskin56564 жыл бұрын
Im a former dep sheriff and it seems that nothing changes.
@lef64194 жыл бұрын
Clearly we can't completely eliminate crime but we can reduce if systems were equal. If people are denied oportunties, harassed, allowed to only earn low wages. Consider this not so fictional portrayal of life. Let's say a wife has a husband that rules over her, disrespects her, beats her. Now do you think she is just going to put up with this abusive treatment. One day she's going to rise up against that man, whether he's eating, standing or sleeping, (The Burning Bed) movie.
@meadpro4 жыл бұрын
Damn, I wasn't expecting all this honesty.
@henlokinty4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this, this a very fascinating look into the past.
@hoondaily2704 жыл бұрын
Its honestly still the present
@DubbyDubois4 жыл бұрын
Hoon Daily this is the back end. Because the cops have failed. And the people are fed up 11:08
@hoondaily2704 жыл бұрын
@@DubbyDubois trust me I've seen it first hand we got gassed in Louisville muiltable fist fights with cops
@henlokinty4 жыл бұрын
I just mean the chronological past. It’s fascinating to hear the people in this video talking about some of the same issues we’re facing today.
@silvrx-pz3ce2 жыл бұрын
This is like looking into the future, not the past!
@Melissa07744 жыл бұрын
I'm glad the American 60 Minutes lets people post comments. The Australian one doesn't.
@265hemi74 жыл бұрын
Channel 9 is left wing communist media who don't want viewers to have an opinion ! U.s a has freedom of speech Australia doesn't anymore !
@chicagojeff2 жыл бұрын
It's almost stunning to listen to Attorney General Clark give thoughtful uncanned answers to Mike Wallace. I don't think I'll see this again in my time.
@Btwig12713 Жыл бұрын
He was a good man, probably the most Progressive AG in American history.
@mjt22314 жыл бұрын
Fascinating.
@my1rule4 жыл бұрын
We have been saying this all along, only difference camera and cell phone footage
@missrayelyn3045 Жыл бұрын
We used to watch 60 minutes as a family when I was young. I'm so glad my parents taught us what real journalism is.
@AlwaysSomething694 жыл бұрын
60 minutes isn't racist. SMFH 🤬 This video shows even 52 years later we still have the same issues with officers and that issue is authority. If there's no authority on our streets, could you honestly say things would be better? Should we allow people to do what ever they want? Who are you going to call when someone breaks in your house? Who are you going to call when someone has raped wife, mother, grandma or even your child? Not ALL cops are bad, there's always a couple in the bunch that shouldn't be policing. No different than having a couple bad seeds in people's family. Evil is everywhere!!!!!!
@markcampbell81584 жыл бұрын
Law and order is needed. We all get that. We still need a society. 52 years later , no change. Today’s police are better armed, they look like they are at war on the people. Better pay, better training, and a new way are needed.
@mtnmaniac84064 жыл бұрын
College grads &/or 'red-tapers'?!!!! All &/or either, these people are unrealistic assinines....Ludicrous!
@BarnaliD4 жыл бұрын
52 years later. Even the freaking PANDEMIC can't change.the mindset of cops. You know nothing will.
@gastropod5574 жыл бұрын
The city of Camden, N.J. re-made its police force in 2012...crime is down significantly. Community policing, utilization of mental health counselors, domestic counselors, etc. And, de-militarize the police. Police do not need weaponized armored personal carriers, and firepower that was designed for combat.
@alikathiphopoprah55074 жыл бұрын
That area needs 2 be studied....I remember when Camden was nbr 1 in murders.......Great job to those community members
@265hemi74 жыл бұрын
Australian police are scared of their own shadow and constantly whinge about pay and benefits , the people they encounter , promotion opportunity ! No one forced them to apply for law enforcement ! Here they get discounted bills on their power and gas utility accounts , free food at well known take away food stores , free medical treatment at a police hospital that not many civilians know about ! All this and a salary for a low rank street cop of up to $120,000 Aus a year ! And still not happy ! They're also being armed up military style !
@russelljohnson20084 жыл бұрын
This segment was very prophetic to today in 2020.
@Sheridan-3654 жыл бұрын
1968 and still going through the same thing. Danm.
@arunsalwan85584 жыл бұрын
It’s funny for me a A guy who grew up in the 1980s to hear somebody in 1968 say that he thinks consumerism is dead. I loved the 80s but man The death of consumerism was apparently quite exaggerated
@donarnold82684 жыл бұрын
Thank You! Posting on Facebook!
@willdrucker42914 жыл бұрын
MIKE WALLACE presented some of the greatest stories/interviews in the history of television....from segments about police brutality and racial injustice to sit downs with Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, James Baldwin, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, and a very touching interview with his widow, Coretta Scott King, from Christmas, 1968...true journalism at its finest...
@energicko4 жыл бұрын
The EXPERIENCE is what tempers you, not makes you weak or "soft." And that guides the approach in how to deal with crime, and arrest procedure. Training means little for cops in 1968 or 2020.
@carter79374 жыл бұрын
We must preserve history so we don't relive it! So sad that this keeps reoccurring, something has to change.
@slinkiegirl20014 жыл бұрын
20/20 the police are still doing what they have always done and getting by with it it is the system that needs to change
@deborahlee634 жыл бұрын
Did they say 1968 0r 2020???
@backoffjoe83472 жыл бұрын
50 years later we are still monitoring and mulling it over.
@ChrisOhMy4 жыл бұрын
Well, we're here now. Look at the only small-ish steps we've really taken in 52 years. This isn't aging well. Today is June 27, 2020. No justice, No peace
@norrisomengkar75324 жыл бұрын
I was born that year and here we are now. True! .
@VenitaSheppard4 жыл бұрын
🤔 and it’s now June 2020. 🤔👁👀🧐 👎🏻👎🏻🤬
@ralral35454 жыл бұрын
😠When you consider yourself a Hammer 🔨 Everyone resembles a Nail....#FTP
@teriw564 жыл бұрын
Ral Ral #DFTP
@Life-is-good-so-smile2 жыл бұрын
I have 21 yrs on with Dallas Police. It’s amazing how policing has not changed in the last 50 years. Wow
@oldcop18 Жыл бұрын
I was 22 then, had started my 30 year career in LE & a LOT has changed. Don’t know where you’ve been but you clearly are not paying attention to what’s going on around you.
@covidsavior4120 Жыл бұрын
@@oldcop18 maybe in terms of law and technology yes things have changed, but in terms of the emotions and feelings of officers things seem largely unchanged.
@jryland628 күн бұрын
I watched this episode in 1968 when I was 14 yrs old.
@brendamcdonall57983 жыл бұрын
The more time passes the less things change.
@ryand141 Жыл бұрын
Time we start holding these people in charge accountable.
@daleplatino4 жыл бұрын
We are there.
@shannonmcstormy50213 жыл бұрын
It was as clear in 1968 as it is today, the problem is 2-fold and the solution is 2-fold. Cop pay and department budgets need to be multiplied by 3 or even 4 while the training, supervision and accountability need a similar increase. No one who carries a gun for their job should be working overtime, nor should they have to in order to achieve a middle-class lifestyle for their family. Yes, sometimes the police need to be able to execute "no knock" warrants and have access to armored vehicles and other equipment. However, none of this should ever be used lightly nor routinely, and their use needs to be evaluated and processed after the fact in every case. That all said, at the end of the day, if mental health treatment, medical healthcare, school funding, and a lack of community support exist unchecked leaving cops to play janitors to a society with ever-widening socioeconomic inequality and injustice, we will continue to get the same types of incidents we get today, what we were getting in 1968. The fact is that a lack of economic opportunity that communities of Color were getting in 1968 are even worse today. Back then, if you hooked up with a small local business and worked hard, there was at least the possibility for a decent future for you and your family. Today, all that is left after corporate America has decimated small businesses across the country are minimum wage jobs who limit full time employees to limit how many employees that receive benefits. Minimum wage jobs leaves a family at official poverty level, even if both parents work 60 hours a week (which leaves no one raising the kids). The above is why 40 years later after the above 60-Minutes episode, so little has changed, or in fact have gotten even worse..... .
@redtra2367 ай бұрын
Banning overtime for police officers makes zero sense and would cause a lot of issues
@bobbijokramm19762 жыл бұрын
Let's talk about it 💯
@deloresboudreaux27552 жыл бұрын
Mayor Young had the right ideas about police in Detroit, a lot of changes were made for fair treatment of Minorities.
@ryand141 Жыл бұрын
Protect and Serve needs 2 additional words. Each other.
@SaharaColeman3 жыл бұрын
“You, me or a PH.D” 🤣
@timotiyosmattithyahu49944 жыл бұрын
After all these years NOTHING has changed. Why? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REASON WITH OR TAME THE DEVIL!!!!
@arunsalwan85584 жыл бұрын
Whats your solution? In my opinion police brutality is just a symptom that is highly noticeable but the real core issues we never deal with
@johnathanpiffington48394 жыл бұрын
Welcome those who enjoy watching history repeat itself over and over
@writerconsidered4 жыл бұрын
So as far as we've gotten is over payed and under trained. I have to give 60 minutes credit for covering this issue for decades. Sadly it has never made any meaningful results.
@stephenmurphy22124 жыл бұрын
I feel like the American police are one of the most brutal in the world.
@verawallace90554 жыл бұрын
They killed a lot of mentally ill people, a woman in California and a man in New York, both in their bed
@stefanhoimes3 жыл бұрын
@@verawallace9055 and a man with Down Syndrome in Kensington Philadelphia for bumming quarters for candy like he'd done for a long time. And Walter Wallace in front of his own mother and neighbors while in a psychiatric crisis. I have friends, his neighbors, who heard the screams of his mother begging them not to harm him and it still haunts them.
@ghostofcrypto19684 жыл бұрын
I'm from Cincinnati. 41 yes old. I'm charged with carjacking, but it's really a simple car theft. I was "arrested" by firefighters unlawfully, but judge barrett ignored my 4th amendment claim. I went to trial and was convicted by an all white jury, 17 yr sentence. My case is not really a federal case. Vindictive prosecution. I've been gone since May 2012. I have a 10yr old son. No one was hurt in my case. No property damage. The judge continually coached the prosecutor. I've been fighting from the law library by myself for 8 yrs. I learned about bitcoin in 2017 reading THE INTERNET OF MONEY by Andreas Antonopoulos and I created a class to teach other prisoners. I've also completed more than 25 education and re-entry courses during my time in prison. I transferred to a new prison 6 months ago because my dad has STAGE 4 lung cancer because he couldn't travel to visit. The prisoners in this new prison have a way of smuggling in cell phones. Three months ago my mother hit the lottery and paid a fellow prisoner here $1,000 for this used smartphone that I have. Two months ago I joined Facebook to create a group to continue educating people about bitcoin technology and I'm now up to 267 members, single-handedly. The name of my group is NEW MONEY: REVOLUTION
@flawlessbutdysfunctional77874 жыл бұрын
btc blockmaster how are you arrested by firefighter unlawfully did they hold you on the floor or stop you from walking away or did they tie you up or what. They catch you in the act or something I don’t understand
@flawlessbutdysfunctional77874 жыл бұрын
“No property damage” bruh you just said you took the car tssss
@ghostofcrypto19684 жыл бұрын
@@flawlessbutdysfunctional7787 dude I got 17yrs for car theft! Let's say I did crash the car totally!!! How much prison time would that warrant? I wish you were somehow responding with intentions to help me get my life back and return to my family
@ghostofcrypto19684 жыл бұрын
@@flawlessbutdysfunctional7787 and by the way... his car was returned to him without a scratch
@flawlessbutdysfunctional77874 жыл бұрын
btc blockmaster 17? That’s bs
@roberthall61614 ай бұрын
A person gets lock up for allegedly rioting, but no one gets hurt. Not even a scratch.
@briancook58384 жыл бұрын
Yup . . . Many Generations To Come . . . and obviously , We’re not even close . . . again
@erniewalker50504 жыл бұрын
take the clan out of the police force.
@eyezbaby14 жыл бұрын
Still In 1960.. lol
@garethHK8084 жыл бұрын
It's amazing to see the same things happening now, that happened years ago. We have given politicians and the police years to find a solution to the same problems that are still happening today. Its time the ppl make the changes NOT the politicians.. Again, what was Joe Biden's stance on the issue back then?
@isshylewis92444 жыл бұрын
@Gareth Paine maybe your moms.
@48mastadon4 жыл бұрын
It's as if nothing has changed more than 50 years later.
@HarmonybonesBlueberryJohnson4 жыл бұрын
The first LAPD reward was between two police officers who had a gun fight over it. Now no police officer is able to claim a reward for criminals being captured. So they now shuffle the rewards among other departments. The D.A. the City Attorneys office. BS
@mesropmadzharyan67273 жыл бұрын
If only Chris would see it now .
@danielvaladez38504 жыл бұрын
Lol did he say..the getto dweller
@snoopy_peanuts_774 жыл бұрын
my eyebrow went up and had to rewind
@tudagod38234 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t air this story in 1968?
@scottstrang15832 жыл бұрын
I wonder how hard it was to restore these ancient quad videotapes?
@michaeldennistooley42712 жыл бұрын
Law & order was never discussed in Jim Crow times and I think we all know why. Also being a public server is not about the burden it brings upon you it's about the service you bring in spite of.
@pangkaji3 жыл бұрын
The more things change, the more they stay the same
@laragreene83284 жыл бұрын
wOW....THIS SOUNDS LIKE TODAY....ALMOST!! tHE POLICE DEPTS NEED TO PROVIDE STRESS MANAGEMENT FOR COPS SO THEY DONT TAKE THEIR STRESS OUT ON PPL ;-)
@benjaminanderson67094 жыл бұрын
1968 and it sounds like they're talking about 2020.
@NicS_3134 жыл бұрын
Know your history. Know your future.
@arwinhopkins23564 жыл бұрын
Stop calling the Police. Problem solved.
@FrankensteinDIYkayak6 ай бұрын
looks like not much has changed in decades
@Garbearscare3 жыл бұрын
And thus Legends were born
@erin190304 жыл бұрын
It's always been that way.
@sheltv1004 жыл бұрын
Still the same crap today as it was in 1968. America has failed.
@Perfectpearl4 жыл бұрын
6:17 Wtf did he say? Smdh 8:57
@yourhuckleberry67573 жыл бұрын
Seen them in the after hour joints
@yourhuckleberry67573 жыл бұрын
They do worse and they get away with it
@naronaldj6234 жыл бұрын
Damn man
@kevinkiss3340 Жыл бұрын
Toughest job in America. I like to see some of these media people trying to this job.
@alnabulsi3133 жыл бұрын
Well, this has aged.
@montelmitchell97047 ай бұрын
Pilot episode. Same as today
@DubbyDubois4 жыл бұрын
Same tactics nothing has changed. Time to defund. Camden NJ model
@TimmyTheTinman2 жыл бұрын
This didn’t age well
@nicholeleutenegger1264 жыл бұрын
All that has changed is the language and terminology.
@davanmani5564 жыл бұрын
Serpico
@snoopy_peanuts_774 жыл бұрын
badass he was/is
@jasonwhitney67202 жыл бұрын
Lol, if you just took the transcript of this 60 mins episode on law enforcement that took place 60 years ago, and a transcript of the same type of episode from 2022, you wouldn’t be able to say which year the episode took place!
@zikebucan17854 жыл бұрын
2020 brah
@mckinleybrown19574 жыл бұрын
Our don’t want to take responsibility commander and chief has allowed more than 200,000 plus deaths to occur on his watch this is equivalent to these cities population: The largest cities: Cities ranked 101 to 200 Rank City, State 2010 population 101 Rochester; New York 210,565 102 Richmond; Virginia 204,214 103 Spokane; Washington 208,916 104 Des Moines; Iowa 203,433
@nathanielgood58484 жыл бұрын
Same load of bullshyddy
@georgebanks73474 жыл бұрын
That's why .... I truly RESPECT those Shining Great Citizens...who serve & protect....but when..the inner spirit..of an officer is troubled the will be trouble...
@nonmutualgroup2 жыл бұрын
7:12 "The Ghetto Dweller" Wtf
@GrunarG4 жыл бұрын
So the problem is trust... In Iceland one person was shot by police in 75 year history of the police department...we have more guns per capica. But we have rules...