1983 DOCUMENTARY: Women Who Kill | Maximum Security

[@chazroberts5131]

That's my grandma at the beginning and end. She was in there for over 16yrs she got out in '97 and died in '99 living in a nursing home bc she institutionalized. She was living with us and one day we came home to a van in the driveway there to pick her up. She didn't even tell us she was doing it. But she was a good lady.

[@jasonfoley6502]

Condolences.

[@Roxy1990]

I'm so sorry for your loss🙏💔

[@sassycat6487]

Why did she want to go to the nursing home?

[@Roxy1990]

@sassycat6487 she said cause she was Institutionalized from being in prison for so long

[@dave46459]

😂😂😂 she's not good

[@arnelevans4803]

My niece is currently incarcerated in Bedford Hills. This documentary is sad. Here's the thing: Men need to stop putting their hands on their girlfriend's or wives, PERIOD! We are not chattel, or property. We are human beings!!

[@lymarie1974]

Some parents raise their sons to be abusers and refuse to break the chain of narcissism 😢

[@Garbeaux.]

Women need to stop putting their hands on their boyfriends or wives, period! The end.

[@rocklookalike]

😂😂😂😂 blame the men.. women are always not a fault.. GTFO* 😂😂

[@LilithsCosmicLounge]

@@lymarie1974These are grown men making these choice’s… this is a result of toxic male culture. Society give men excuses. Men alone are responsible for their choices. Especially after the age of 25!! Men teach other men this behavior is ok and also genetics.

[@debereisinger3057]

My ex-husband told me once that he owned me and he had the paper to prove it..meaning our marriage license. He was a beer-drinking, wife-beating, womanizing sumbich!! Horrible time in my life!

[@justicewillprevail1106]

Many of these women do not deserve prison time... they were abused. Where is the justice in that.

[@rorosanchez1538]

True but if there's no police reports it's heresay in court.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

This was over 40y ago! The laws were different.

[@virginiamixan678]

They Don't have the right to take another persons life because they're weak . Leave the man ask for help ! Of course the men are at fault and POS but the law is the law ! No woman should be that weak to stay

[@369blueneptune]

The 1980s were a very difficult and different world for women.

[@ladonna9603]

I always come to the comments to see if anyone is related to anyone in these vintage documentaries. And to no surprise they are. 😊 love reading updates

[@gurumayne8684]

Most time its jus ppllying for likes n comments.. Sum weirdos out there

[@justred5164]

This could’ve been me and many many others! I left my husband one time and never came back! Because your abuser will never ever change!

[@Michelina22]

I’m a DV survivor and I can see how one can break down and fight back, they don’t deserve prison imo they were abused !!!

[@annetaylor-rc5yq]

these women abused by men should not be in prison ,they are damaged by these awful men

[@GGsDLo]

ru serious??

[@annetaylor-rc5yq]

@@GGsDLo YES CO ERSIVE CONTROL LEADS TO MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES THAT CAN CAUSE WOMEN TO ACT IN THIS WAY THEY NEED CARE NOT PUNISHMENT READ A BOOK MAYBE

[@GGsDLo]

@@annetaylor-rc5yq I’ll read a book as soon as you admit that many MANY men are in prison for the same reasons - wrongful accusations by women, and even where women have battered men and don’t get caught or blamed. I’ll wait.

[@Longeezy]

Men can be devils. Women can be devils. Just because men are stronger than women it doesn’t make them any more evil

[@PomegranatesWeather]

A lot of these women (not all ) were abused and these are the consequences

[@Smashine]

NOT ALL!!!

[@justred5164]

Not every killing is a murder! Do y’all hear me?!!!!

[@ShakeDownStreet0714]

Killing is the same exact thing as murder. They're synonymous.

[@200_Pounds_Gone]

Yes ma'am, I know what you mean, be aware many won't 😢

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

@@ShakeDownStreet0714 What they mean is there’s a difference between a person who’s killed & a murderer.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

I know what you mean. And to quote the person above.. Not many will.

[@11Christys11]

Yes it is

[@heatherh.197]

I love any and all vintage tv. Im 48 years old and even though i had a traumatic childhood, i find it so comforting. Probably because it makes me feel like a child again.

[@asherdash12]

I get what you mean. More like a nostalgic feeling for the time period maybe

[@James-t9b3v]

Right

[@teet-zi8ks]

Me too. Love youtube vintage videos. I fall asleep to them. Especially America Justice with Bill Curtis.💤💤

[@heatherh.197]

@@teet-zi8ks exactly

[@SoupSandwich76]

I can relate. I’m 47 and although I didn’t have a traumatic childhood, when I’m stressed or anxious I seek out vintage videos. They are somehow comforting to me.

[@trnigyul]

Ive been looking for this one for years, I saw it on yt years ago and it disappeared. Thanks to the uploader for putting this one up.

[@marcushaynes843]

Domestic violence wasn't a major issue back then. Those women went through hell.

[@SirNic4180]

False😮

[@tpw9099]

No I agree yes it was very much ignored and a very private situation in most households. Men did have a lot more control over woman, and it was definitely harder to get away if you didn’t have a lot Of Support or resources.

[@RoxyMayoAndPuppy]

Yes the fuck it was. You just don’t know.

[@RoxyMayoAndPuppy]

They still Go through hell Today. Ain’t shit changed.

[@pamelaworley8851]

Im from Kentucky up until I think either in the late 70s or early 80s men were still allowed to abuse their wives with a stick no thicker than his thumb. The first spouse abuse center opened up in Louisville in 1980. The women came with nothing with the clothes on their backs with their children. When it first opened the women would call their husbands and tell them where they where. We had to have a phone line right to the police department because we werent allowed to tell them that their wives and children were there. For people who wonder why women stay, if youve been beaten all most to the point of death, or if you never worked and he was the sole support you often had to make the choice to stay. I seen the movie The Burning Bed and it changed my perception about spousal abuse. Francines husbands family were from Flemingsburg Ky. It was the norm for them. I realize this was in the 80s, but not much has changed. Even though weve been blessed with more resources this horriffic situation still happens. People saying these women arent taking responsibility for their actions they have. Now the Commonwealth will pick up the case if the spouse trys to drop the changes. To live in constant fear of being beaten and you feel safe in jail or prison thats so sad.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

Actually it was in 1883 that two states rejected that ancient law those being Mississippi & North Carolina. However in 1920 all states in the U.S. made it illegal for men to beat their wives.

[@kristiegirl9686]

So in the 70s and 80s men were allowed to beat women if they was married that's awful I was born in 1973 and my mother got beat by my stepdad for years they married in 1978 all we did is call the cops every time and they would make us leave

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

@@kristiegirl9686 Yes. It wasn’t until June of 1984 that the Supreme Court Ruled that a wife was no longer her husbands property to do with as he saw fit. Even though technically in 1920 most states in the U.S. made it illegal to beat your wife unless you had a lawful reason! Whatever the hell that meant?

[@notoriouskiki1091]

Leslie Van Houten shouldn't have been paroled. She should have never been allowed to see the light of day much less walk free. I dont care if she found God or how old she is now. The crimes she committed were pure evil. She belongs in prison. Period.

[@11Christys11]

Agree 💯

[@lisamcilvain4992]

Agreed

[@robinclarke6914]

People are only supposed to stay incarcerated if they pose a danger to people and she's in her seventies now I believe. She's not a danger anymore. She was only 19 and Manson fed them acid daily. Idk how he got that amount of acid when he was basically a bum but he did. I think she deserved to get out and live out what few years are left to her

[@notoriouskiki1091]

@robinclarke6914 she didn't get 30 to life, she got death and was spared. Maybe by the Grace of God but it was changed to LIFE. To me that means LIFE. Most of the women in this film killed their abuser. Leslie killed innocent people for her abuser and appears clueless and unapologetic in her apology. I was only an embryo back then but I know for a fact a lot of people were experimenting with acid and they didn't go out and vicously murder innocent people. Life means life. Sorry but I have to call bs on this one.

[@robinclarke6914]

@@notoriouskiki1091 true. I just can't imagine going to prison at 19 and growing old there. None of us are the person we were at 19. We change several times throughout our lives. I didn't help kill tho. I know Sharon Yates mother is turning in her grave right now for sure. I can see both sides

[@Bigbluecollector316]

It’s crazy seeing people drive around without seat belts on or without a car seat wow the world has changed

[@JSchaffer214]

I remember seeing my Dad and many others inside Wal-Mart and K-mart smoking cigarettes. There were ashtrays at the end of every 4th or 5th aisle. Even when I was a teen, we would go to the mall because you could smoke inside. It was just a different time period.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

😂 My pop used to put me on his lap & let me pretend to drive on the main roads! When I was born you didn’t need car seats to bring the babies home either!

[@WesleyGravolet]

Different times..that said im sure it was the least of their concerns at the time.

[@Hamoshekabeka]

In my country still OK.

[@LeahDyson-kq4bd]

The kids are dressed like cabbage patch dolls

[@beatrizrojas517]

My baby daughter is in prison. She was 16 when all of it started. This experience has eaten me alive. I live with a huge burden in my heart. I will feel half alive as long as my daughter is in prison. I think of her all day everyday. I miss her terribly!!!

[@countdown2xstacy]

Very sorry to hear this Beatriz 🙏

[@Irene-yd2sv]

Wow 16 years old, may I ask what happened? Sorry if I offended you by asking.

[@SirNic4180]

😆😆😆😆😆 she exactly where she needs to be. Equal rights and lefts😅. You instead of be a parent you were your child's friend. And instead of monitoring her activity she's now in prison. You did a good job 👍🏿

[@Irene-yd2sv]

@@SirNic4180 from the sounds of it I’d think you would have details as to what happened so let me know cause she hasn’t responded

[@beatrizrojas517]

@@Irene-yd2sv you seem like a genuine person interested on knowing about my daughter. I’d love to tell the story about what happened without feeling like my daughter is going to be judged. I want to protect her from people who have no idea what is like to carry this burden. God knows I’d be beneficial for me to speak about it-up until now, I’ve been going living my life trying my best to hide this pain in my heart. Sometimes I’m good at hiding it, but many times I’m not. I just can’t seem to find the courage to tell my daughter’s story. If I could find a way to tell you the story, I’d love to tell you all about it.

[@hollyinhell]

I did 2 years in state prison...everyone always says they're innocent. Not saying that these women weren't justified, but prison is filled with manipulative people.

[@jenniferdaulby5519]

I know what you mean Holly, I watched a doco about Darlie Routier & she's about as manipulative as you can get. Best wishes from Australia 🇦🇺 ❤

[@tpw9099]

I agree but u can see how some of these woman may have been defending themselves, definitely not all some were just evil

[@louisemerriman1079]

I went out with a lad as a young girl. He hated me going to uni and bettering my self . I'm in the kitchen studying at the table and because he had to put his own dinner on I got the whole pan with potatoes and hot water all over me and my coursework. I left after that and married a real man

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

This was 1983. One year before the Supreme Court ruled that a wife is no longer her husbands property to do with as he sees fit! June 1984. This was also prior to the Battered Women’s Defense being allowed in court. It still took major cases like Tracey Thurman’s & also Francine Hugh’s case to begin to start implementing the Battered Women’s Syndrome! Today these women or most of them wouldn’t be in prison.

[@themulti-coloredcanary5795]

I had to do a double take when I saw the price of the house in the newspaper article. $250,000 will barely get you a shack today.

[@ChakraKhan666]

I have found decent homes for less than $250,000. They're out there. You just gotta do some digging 😊

[@JD-dh7bk]

It all depends on where you choose to live. Some areas are just super expensive.

[@ChakraKhan666]

You can find a home for less than $250,000. You just have to do some research.

[@laurasusannalisaharleysantera]

I think that no woman should be put in jail for murdering a man in self defense or in the defense of other women, children or elderly.

[@LetsTalkTelevision]

This is why women have to stop dealing with abusive men You have to have a zero tolerance policy with regard to abusive relationships Because you can end up like this

[@charlenewhittaker1674]

lol well don't you have all the answers -its not that easy! sometimes people don't know someone is abusive until they are getting punched in the face...and are then too scared to leave, or don't have anywhere to go... sometimes its the only situations people know as its modelled to them by either or both parents as children, but clearly you are commenting on something you've never had the displeasure to experience, otherwise you wouldn't be victim blaming

[@pagandeva2000]

I agree. It is not easy to leave. At times, leaving increases a dangerous outcome because the abuser becomes enraged. Some judges will STILL mandate that the children see the abusive father. Some abusers harass the families of their partners. An order of protection is toilet paper. Police may not protect her. Nope 👎🏾…you don’t have the answer.

[@SusanWojici]

Woman love abusive men drama and chaos. They seek what they are themselfs, pure evil 🙂

[@sommesoul33]

They create Stockholm syndrome. They are not always abusive from the start. Also, women like me who had awful childhoods, often end up with abusive men at a very young age because we are primed for abuse and have high tolerance to it until we snap or eventually can leave.

[@annettelacey7913]

You got no idea what it feels like to be beaten by a person who says they love you, How ignorant of u to say what u said

[@Roxy1990]

Great documentary 👏 👍 Definitely seems like most of these women were abused

[@annettelacey7913]

Unless you've gone through bad DV you will never understand what it feels like to fear for your life from someone's thats supposed to protect and love u. These women were abused consistently

[@Roxy1990]

@@annettelacey7913I'm so sorry💔🙏

[@isisbeck2374]

Is there a follow-up for this document?

[@twinkletee22]

Why are abused women being incarcerated????

[@Justice-ef9sk]

Because they killed somebody. None of us knows the entire story. All we are getting is the side of the women. I don’t think they’re lying, but then again… What do I know except what I’m being told by the inmate?

[@InstantMile-t4g]

Bc they committed murder dah...🙄

[@winros]

The justice system is so fucking wrong!!! My heart goes out to these women!!!😢😮

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

This was over 40y ago! The laws were different.

[@winros]

@coffeecrimegal5968 Yes, I understand... however, it would be so hard even today to prove.✌️

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

@@winros What? Self Defense by Battered Women’s Syndrome? Because frankly neither is as hard today as it was then. Battered Woman’s Syndrome for example didn’t exist back then. A wife as her husband’s property to do with as he saw fit wasn’t outlawed until June of 84! A year after this was filmed & aired. There were very few Battered Women Shelters in even fewer states. And this was after Francine Hugh’s case and right around the time of Tracey Thurman’s.

[@winros]

@coffeecrimegal5968 A lot of women are too scared to reach out. They are trapped, and you know what happens if they get found out.✌️

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

@@winros What you’re talking about is not the justice system. It’s the fear that women have when they want to leave an abusive relationship. Which when she decides to leave is the most dangerous time. There is help out there however! More than ever before! The laws are different today. There’s even Apps on phones now that will automatically begin recording & or dial 911!

[@career5690]

What men fail to realize that women are held accountable everyday.There is plenty of women who are on death row.😢

[@MrFreeman0179]

Are you serious? What you fail to realize that there are less than 60 women on death row. In the USA 2400 men face execution. Source: Death penalty information center

[@MrFreeman0179]

Where's your sad face emoticon for men?

[@sassycat6487]

@@MrFreeman0179 men commit way more murders than women. But I'm sure you believe the statistics are made up lmao

[@fredmore6214]

@@MrFreeman0179 I don't doubt you at all. In fact, probably much UNDER 60. Juries and judges hate men. Look what happened with Karl Hulten and Elizabeth Jones - equally guilty and HE got hanging and SHE got 9 years in jail because the law people cared about HER.

[@CrustyUgg]

@@II-wx4kvexactly.... so to say plenty of women are on death row is wrong.

[@andresreyes6209]

I love the way ppl expressed their thoughts and feelings in those days.

[@Queenofdacastle]

Leslie is evil she really thinks she did nothing wrong that’s why the parole board didn’t let her out she’s a psychopath, talking about life goes on well not for the ppl you killed 🤦🏾‍♀️ she should not ever get out.

[@Wiiis3_Eso]

@Queenofdacastle she got out last year. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGmqkqZraptofposi=KI8_mVmjW7WtEyaK

[@Mikethemenace415]

Ummmm…She got out finally last summer..lol

[@TomikaKelly]

​@@Mikethemenace415 That means she got out at 60 years of age...😒

[@Queenofdacastle]

@@Mikethemenace415 yeah she should have never gotten out she’s sick

[@Mikethemenace415]

@@Queenofdacastle Yeah and I think she’s like 73-74 now

[@Queenofdacastle]

That lady singing at the end, that hair is sumthin serious 😆😅

[@1stsharkb8]

Man, that's sad. That girl was FINALLY ready to be honest with her mother about what she did and what started her in that direction; and the woman rejected her. Wouldn't LISTEN to her. Now we know why she had to seek acceptance outside her family. She was afraid to be honest with her family. She didn't want to be rejected. Now she just found out that she is still being rejected and she shouldn't expect it to change. Very sad.

[@ShakeDownStreet0714]

This is way before they were allowing men to enter women's correctional facilities. Back when folks had more common sense & held foolishness accountable.

[@PancakeDiaries]

Huh? Men aren't in their prisons now unless they're staff. Trans don't go to female prisons; they're with the men, respectively.

[@Scorned405]

Men don’t go to women’s prisons. Where u get that idea?

[@3SonsANDAMother]

@@Scorned405think she’s referring to correction officers

[@megamegamega]

i hope Frannie stayed in music.. i don’t think her last name was mentioned but i hope she’s good now

[@SandiByrd]

That clarinet player was diabolical. She didn't care about anything but herself - how sad. I felt awful for her Mom.

[@pink4078]

I agree. what a psycho she is.

[@EssieBthe-one]

I think she was immature, selfish, and also her mom made the clarinet lady's choices about her. So she is only following her mom's lead and it's very toxic in a way. It's overused but it's narcissistic in a way but at 20 a lot of times we are😂😂😂

[@SandiByrd]

@@EssieBthe-one lol oh gosh I can't say I wasn't all about me at 20 😂

[@lillianruiz9618]

So sad

[@niecydeleon759]

that song at the end! beautiful

[@jenniferthompson6280]

they wore regular street clothes in prison back then? and could go to classes with men?

[@jogo7204]

Crimes are more senseless now . Back then , usually a valid reason, but not now. Also less drug addled murder

[@bradenharris8718]

Yes, they did all the way up to the mid 80s. They also could do their hair, nails, makeup and wear jewelry.

[@melissagueydan2588]

I think they were allowed certain privileges once the inmate had reached death row.

[@loriepostlewaite162]

Yeah the clothes surprised me

[@OlWhtWmn]

The treatment of prisoners radically changed during the war on drugs. Facilities went from reformatories offering rehabilitation programing to incarceration as punishment. Although some people must be permanently removed for public safety most people in prisons will be released. Now some rehabilitation programs were dangerous to the public and others downright stupid, but many were not. When the prison system went to tough on crime, worthwhile programs were ended along with the over-the-top stupid ones. Women's facilities started treating women as if they were men including making us wear uniform men's clothing, marching around, etc.

[@jammie2475]

So many of these women should have never gone to prison. If they actually did anything about domestic violence back then, the abusers would be in jail, ALIVE.

[@OlWhtWmn]

Although a lot of the women's narratives in this film minimizes their responsibility some of it is also true. Keep in mind we are not hearing from the victims (who can no longer speak) or their victim's survivors. Every criminal has a reason why they committed their crime, and although it may not make sense to us, it made sense to them at the time. Females claiming DV want to be excused for their crimes, but male DV survivors continue to serve life without parole.

[@oliviachetcuti225]

I enjoyed watching this even though it was recorded decades ago. My heart went out to the women who were in abusive relationships & acted in self defense.

[@misssunshine2234]

Self defense isn’t a crime!

[@AllisonChains]

I would like to see the court transcripts. I cant help but feel things are being left out

[@MarilynLegarreta]

What happen to self Defense

[@SophiaH-uf3jt]

Thank You. 🙏🏿👆🏿

[@lauratarnowski3135]

The lady that said I didn't weigh 100 lb anymore...my ex husband said all the very same words

[@june8927]

Watching this made me extremely sad for those women, yeah they’re in prison for a reason but the things they had to go through with those abusive relationships. My mom was in one and she became an attempted-murder victim when I was five and he went to prison. It just makes me thing so much

[@LetArtsLive]

45:15 😂😅😅♤♡◇♧ I was looking scrolling back on Xbox the movie to find Bedford at the end and I swear to God LOL someone forgot and left a half naked picture on the video OMG I don't know if you can see it but I can see it it's Xbox One?

[@Rumqueen]

I need updates on all these women, especially Marie. She “took” someone’s head and arms?!!?!

[@jollycat1374]

Prayers for all women and children out there being terrorized by a man they know can/will harm them. May they find a way out and thrive before it comes to either self-defense murder, or snapping. This issue is so prevalent- it could be so many of us in that situation.

[@11Christys11]

Leslie should not be paroled and she definitely shouldn’t have been able to make millions off of a book and movie deal. That money should go to the victims families

[@ohuntermc9321]

She’s met the criteria for parole for years so yes she should be out. What book or movie deal is she making millions off of exactly?

[@h0rriphic]

I remember watching this documentary back in the 90s.

[@justred5164]

I grew up in the same environment!

[@LindaCasey]

Where are they now?

[@Whosthis761]

Leslie van houten was released last year crazy

[@robingagan6288]

Leslie’s walking the streets now

[@girlee0303]

Some of us got public defenders and prison. With $ you are free to go

[@TwoBluntChuck]

Wow what a whole different world back then....

[@kathleendobens6648]

Havnt they changed the laws for women who were abused?

[@LilithsCosmicLounge]

No, not really… you have to have the right connections and you have to have proof about the abuse. But even when you document it they say it was premeditated. It’s just best to always have a exit plan in marriage and relationships.

[@kathleendobens6648]

@@LilithsCosmicLounge thank for info

[@unclejoe7958]

Sadly a lot of women are attracted to the bad guy. Either they think they can tame the beast or they subconsciously want to relive their childhood abuse.

[@sommesoul33]

That’s so not true. Abusive men seek out women with low self esteem from childhood abuse and early adulthood abuse. Victims want to have a better life not to go through abuse again. Takes a lot of healing and learning to learn. You speak of someone who has no understanding or experience but then you are not a woman.

[@sommesoul33]

Abusive men get women young who were abused as children or they pick women who are very loving (both can apply to a woman). They cause so much devastation to women and any resulting children. Women are brought up to serve and tolerate abuse. Its now changing thankfully but no woman should ever put her life on the line for a man.

[@jammie2475]

No there are just a ton of bad guys out there and almost every woman has come across one unfortunately. Single is the only safe option for women.

[@hollyfarr7209]

Great channel, new sub 👏 An inmate is an inmate. Excuses excuses

[@strawberryhair4164]

Wow look at the style from then,you could smoke inside just SO different nowadays

[@_HimToo]

Are all these women In prison for self defense or what? This is really making me mad. Is there evidence against their claims or is this really accurate? Wtf man 🤯 Edit: ok, so the chick who shot someone over a drug deal gets a waaaaay more lenient sentence than the women who killed in self defense!?! Crazy.

[@OlWhtWmn]

There's a difference between self-defense, manslaughter, and pre-meditated murder. The drug deal chick may have argued manslaughter or taken a plea deal.

[@dianecarman1979]

Does anyone know what happened to Marie Koziak? Is she still alive?

[@islabonita6304]

She went by Angel Marie Kozeak, and she just passed in May of 2020 of aggressive pancreatic cancer. She was in prison at the time of her passing.

[@dianecarman1979]

@@islabonita6304 Thank u foe reply

[@Ranman1]

Remember, no one here is guilty.

[@Gardo404]

15:47 he didn't love u because he didn't hit u, how dumb can someone be

[@Britt4real]

Imagine as a child the person who teaches how to love bc believe or not how to show proper love is a learned behavior is only nice or loving when or after they abuse you you as that will start to think that is proper love for example if after he hits her he becomes loving afterwards

[@justred5164]

It’s environmental

[@kathleendobens6648]

Thats crap statement who doesnt know how to leave they are so scared.

[@Whosthis761]

That's how much it was the norm back then

[@_HimToo]

That's insane. He came into he house with an icepick after pounding his way in thru the back door & she gets 15 to life??? That is self defense AND Castle Doctrine/Stand Your Ground/etc (depending on the state, I suppose). That's a travesty.

[@OlWhtWmn]

Here in Massachusetts we have an obligation to retreat if a way is possible and not "stand our ground" with the use of force of any kind in our own homes. Different states see this issue very differently.

[@kewsiyehboah9514]

Ya Kutuvia..

[@dustinolvey8877]

Ever notice they never take responsibility for anything.

[@motleymama6587]

I’m appalled at the low sentences for murder! 2 years for the pot smoking musician! 8 years for the girl who helped kill the jeweler. Wow.

[@KiraLou06]

And it’s appalling how many so called human men don’t have any self control and abuse women violently.

[@Gothiclovesick]

I dont think they were stating when they got out but how much time they had already served

[@olgapatino8411]

They hardly did any time compared to this day and age

[@3SonsANDAMother]

I went to prison in 2016 - Bedford hills - I remember seeing din numbers back to the 70s! I won’t forget them

[@wlf9108]

Statistics show that self defense argument doesn’t apply to women in most cases.

[@lauratarnowski3135]

I have always said women that protect themselves from their husbands..that are doing life..they should revisit every case

[@envymosthated3037]

The one with the husband that came at with a ice pick she seems so sweet like even before killing him like she was so tiny with the sweetest smile and eyes

[@marshayemanuel1991]

You date her then

[@uhdudewhy7980]

Leslie Van Houten kinda looks like a young Roger Waters.

[@beanyboomer5391]

Lol

[@Queenofdacastle]

Damn Lori got a strong face yikes 😅

[@lorrietayaba5761]

I’ve been looking but is it in the beginning middle or end? I’m looking for that strong face😂😂the daughter? Visiting? Not DEBBIE?

[@Queenofdacastle]

6 mins in and can’t help but to think most of them got what they had coming

[@justred5164]

Oh yes!! Not every killing is a murder….

[@heatherh.197]

Who? The victims or the victims?

[@camdencosigner2606]

💯💯💯💯

[@kathleendobens6648]

Exactly. They are so beat down and are in fearfor their life they feel they are going to die do they do the crime.

[@sylviarosario6503]

Never knew they could smoke cigarettes while incarcerated. Who knew?😂

[@Ann-sj4pt]

It’s an old film.

[@dr.barrycohn5461]

Why is everything out of focus?

[@jogo7204]

I believe them, crimes were far less senseless then. Not many murders over a bag of drugs, etc..

[@Queenofdacastle]

Those some nice beds for prison 😅

[@jasonmuller1199]

All I see is a lot of blaming men and not taking responsibility for anything, you don't get to execute your husband for an assault

[@Queenofdacastle]

Frannie Fannie whatever her name was exactly where she needed to be and she only served 2 yrs wow I know his family was pissed about that, she killed him in cold blood wow 😮

[@Solomonsochill]

You’re 100% correct. Women refusing to take accountability for their behavior. that seems to still be the case in 2024… Ladies the word for the day is: accountability

[@gillianstapleton8566]

Unless it’s self defense… a lot of men get reduced sentences as they thought no proof their wife was cheating and it’s put as a crime of passion. Plus it was a lot more difficult in 84 and earlier to get proper support or help leaving an abusive relationship.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

A lot of modern women or what I like to call Feminazi’s don’t like to take accountability or responsibility for their bad choices & or behavior. With that said, this documentary was originally filmed & aired in 1983! One year before the Supreme Court ruled that a wife is no longer considered her husbands property to do with as he saw fit! June 1984. Domestic Violence was not only common is was almost condoned! There were no battered women shelters back then! Or actually very very few. The Battered Wife Syndrome defense was virtually nonexistent! No one is saying that all men are or were bad guys who are abusive ect.. However there are & were some guys who fit that description. If you are not a man who is like that, than it doesn’t pertain to you! Therefore you shouldn’t take offense to it. What you definitely shouldn’t do is wine & or cry about it if it’s not you and act as if all women are lying about being abused.

[@guerralg63]

Im sure the laws have been changed battered women. When it comes to self defense it does stand to reason that if you shoot a stranger who breaks in your house or attack you in the street is almost immediately justified homicide, however when its a spouse or boyfriend its much harder because if they are being physically abused and say they can't leave for financial reasons yet kill the man you lose the ability to use excuse that you cant survive financially without him and the prosecutor says you could have left, and what can you say? But now with battered spouse syndrome there is a better shot to be able to defend yourself.

[@OlWhtWmn]

The problem with early attempts to use DV as defense was because the DV did not occur at the time of the killing thus was not an immediate circumstance.

[@SirNic4180]

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. 😂❤

[@emanaeemanae4002]

Virginia's husband LOOKED mean tbh

[@victoriagraham6470]

Of course there would not be long lines of men lined up to see women in prison, cause the women killed their abusive boyfriend or husband. The women lined up to see men are the wives and girlfriends but the men are not in prison for killing their wives and girlfriends

[@sbl9467]

Oh...i thought this was a real documentary instead its a documentary about women can do no wrong - its all the men's fault. Got it

[@ivorymorrison6816]

Natural life , I guess there’s different life’s. Idk. 😂😂

[@OlWhtWmn]

There is. Natural life is life without the possibility of parole. In most states a "life" sentence has the possibility of parole after a long term of years. For example, in Texas a "life" sentence has the possibility of parole after 40 years although the court can still sentence natural life or execution for murder classified as "capital" murder.

[@brianandrews7491]

The classic claim of abuse yet the man is dead and gets no chance to defend himself. Women dont think its abusive to be disrespectful day in and day out? Or cheat?? Theres only so much a woman can take before they physically react but theres also only so much a man can take

[@strangerstill4430]

L van houten👎👎👎

[@Saveit.]

Some of these women I understand. But to put all of this on some male influence is very typical

[@OlWhtWmn]

DV and childhood abuse are very popular defenses for women's criminal behavior. Sadly, this really weakens the defense for those who really did suffer DV and childhood abuse/neglect.

[@Saveit.]

@@OlWhtWmn I agree

[@andrewpetersen6116]

Long sentences lots of jobs

[@catherinebaum9185]

Dirry gusrd but women font put up with it by choice. You dint know why? I hope that, after all these years and you are still alive, that you are more aware about domestic violence and the crap women go thru.

[@Texas_Made_]

😢😅

[@jamesmoore3694]

zero sympathy

[@ervinjackson3261]

Lol lol

[@melissagueydan2588]

God Bless Leslie Van Houten

[@katy9433]

She's vile! In her own words. "I was jealous that "katie" krenwinkle had gone out the night before (Helping to slaughter a pregnant women) So she was more then happy to go out the second night to help murder Leno and rosemary. GOD BLESS Leno Rosemary Sharon Viotek Jay Abigail Steven And baby paul.