Quel plaisir de revoire des images de cette époque!
@Marvdogger24 жыл бұрын
Toivonen - " I never attack, this is a calm rally. Leading by nearly 3 minutes!!! ,lol. Shows that he was in a different league to all the other drivers on Asphalt and in the Delta S4.
@toivonencresto5 ай бұрын
non dice invece "always calm in this rally" (non che cambi il senso)?
@max27stoner4 жыл бұрын
19:50 have we here any friendly French or Italian speaking people? It would be nice to know what Ragnotti and Chatriot are talking about and what Ragnotti says in the interview. Also Cesare Fiorio's interview at 20:32 would be nice to know. Please somebody.
@mickaelmorgado201554 жыл бұрын
They ask him what’s his opinion on the crash. He says « that kind of corners (tightens in the end) is like a trap. Maybe toivonen didnt hear the codriver notes or maybe he entered the corner too fast. It was a « normal »crash (in this type of corner) that ended badly because of the fire ». Fiorio basically says that its not the fault of the road, nor the cars or the drivers, but when you combine the 3 together, tragedy happens, and as a manufacturer its time to stop because its not safe anymore.
@erminiopreziosi19672 жыл бұрын
@@mickaelmorgado20155 he was the problem! That car was irregular !
@jeanfrancoiscarle7440Ай бұрын
L'âge d'or du rallye, on n'a jamais fait mieux niveau course et ambiance
@Phil-ww1dv2 ай бұрын
Formidable et épatant. Merci beaucoup pour ceci.
@phpgpedros97262 жыл бұрын
The translation on 18:30-40 is totally wrong. Speaker translates "... je commence à me dire qu'avec cet avance je peux gagner" while Toivonen says "you can't think that i'm winning the rally. It's still a long way to go".
@durandpierre83605 жыл бұрын
Quelle époque !
@mampe889816 сағат бұрын
17:40 problem with headphones...?
@astralehoshi40014 жыл бұрын
Reporter : "Was Lancia waiting on such a rally beginning from Toivonen ?" Cresto : "No, as he wasn't in his full physical condition" Reporter : "The sicker he is, the better his time is, isn't it ?" Cresto : "So it seems, we hope it will always be like that"
@astralehoshi40014 жыл бұрын
Translation isn't 100% accurate, but I just made it so everyone can understand the situation.
@Marvdogger24 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@igorzkoppt3 жыл бұрын
He was apparently pumped up with drugs and pushed to race despite being sick like a dog. In a car without a proper protection cage (a Group B common feature due to a lax regulation)
@serruredelespace2 жыл бұрын
Oh, the irony
@linksauce_15 жыл бұрын
18:56 that’s not *the* sound, is it?
5 жыл бұрын
Not sure, the commentator is talking about the storm at the same time.
@g6rcteam814 жыл бұрын
No it was dry
@rodolphlengrand47153 жыл бұрын
@@g6rcteam81 Commentator : "Lots of people at the Castiola bridge. The storm has surprised the spectators as they were standing, waiting for Toivonen's Lancia to pass. The wait is too long, in their car the rallye staff froze while listening to radio communications. People gather around, try to listen. A car has left the road, it's burning. Nobody wants to believe it, it's Toivonen's and Cresto's car."
@greg-warsaw47082 жыл бұрын
Of course it's not. Where people gather in Castirla is over 2 km from the crash site. Is seems it was a very localised thunderstorm, typical in summer in the mountains, because where the tragedy happened it was not raining. The sound might be weather, wind in the mic, it's poor recording anyway.
@marguskiis77117 жыл бұрын
I didn`t know that Salonen made a pretty dangerous crash before Toivonen.
@simolamsa87166 жыл бұрын
I remember that.Markku Alen had something problems with Lancia Delta S4 and drove very slow.Markku gave way,but Timo Salonen slipped out.Not really dangerous crash.Bad luck.
@jussiuutaniemi37675 жыл бұрын
@@simolamsa8716 Alen had compressor and turbo problems if I recall.
@sometimesidreamaboutcheese3 жыл бұрын
I was surprised by this too, Salonen always was so calm, humor person and enthusiastic on a road, he took this happened very easy, as always he did
@tomlepski83064 жыл бұрын
11:04 - 11:17,hell no! That is not Cesare Fiorio,that is the Martini Racing Team Doctor.
@giorgiobologna52154 жыл бұрын
tom lepski yes, Benigno Bartoletti
@crazydamiano4 жыл бұрын
1985 A. Bettega [4] Tour de Corse 1986 H. Toivonen [4] Tour de Corse. Number 4 is unlucky in China. Number 4 = Death. This numer is unlucky for Lancia Team. R.I.P. Atillo, Henri and Sergio.
@lr2a8414 жыл бұрын
La belle époque où le tour de Corse faisait le tour de la Corse, l'époque arrogante ou on pensait maîtriser toute la technologie, on fonçait déjà dans le mur tout en accélérant...cette époque où Internet n existait pas accord...malgré tout je continue à penser que c était La belle époque
@ELDUENDE745 жыл бұрын
Balestre cargándose la esencia de los rallyes de un solo plumazo..
@feliperc4805 Жыл бұрын
Precisamente el Grupo B es la parte de la historia más alejada de los rallies.
@ryansta4 жыл бұрын
Dock Senna some points for good measure too Jean Marie
@livingbeing11133 жыл бұрын
Nah, he should've DQd Senna for that criminal manouver in 1990.
@crazydamiano4 жыл бұрын
Have English subtitles?
@thierryland43156 жыл бұрын
Le problème c est que là puissance des moteur évoluait très vite mais pas le reste de la voiture c est a dire freins amortisseurs boîte de vitesse etc. A la fin des rallye les pilotes étaient physiquement détruit. Franchement cette période était passionnante car il y avait beaucoup de constructeurs compétitif mais aussi extrêmement dangereuse pour les pilotes et les spectateurs.
@madjidhamdini19773 жыл бұрын
Bien sur que oui ! j'ai un buggy radio commandé a moteur thermique 3cm3 / 3cv !!!!énnnnnome et justement meme a l'echelle 1/10 , optimiser le moteur sans toucher aux suspensions / freins c'est débile ! je vois encore mon model réduit s'envoler a 70km/h sur un tout petit nid de poule et pourquoi ? suspensions bien trop souples ...y'a eu de la casse que j'ai pu réparer mais pas mort d'homme ...
@d-d-i5 жыл бұрын
Fiorio looks truly shocked about the accident. Terrible day for the whole sport.
@sometimesidreamaboutcheese3 жыл бұрын
(sorry, i'm repeating my own comment here, but..) Toivinen's and Cretso's deaths will be at Fiorio's conscience FOREVER, because of his greed for result, because team management decided to take off metal protection plates under the floor of Toivonen's Delta S4 for reducing car weight (these plates defencedd fuel tanks). They COULD survive in that fatal crash, if their car complied with the regulations. It wasn't even mistake of the crew: Harry Toivonen (Henri's brother) told few years ago that Lancia team did investigation about that crash and main reason of that flat out into the cliff is all about stucked acceleration pedal into the floor (this problem was already known at tests before), because of overheating kevlar floor from transmission. So they just flipped out from that corner at full speed because of mechanical failure, but was still alive when car hung and stuck at trees. And fuel tanks was punctured by trees and fuel ignited by hot engine and turbocharger, all because of removed metal plates under the floor. We lost pure genius at the wheel (and very kind person), his teammate and face of the motorsport was changed forever because of headquarter's greed. As always happening in the history..
@livingbeing11133 жыл бұрын
@@sometimesidreamaboutcheese Yep, that's the unfortunate truth.
@renzochiesa87983 жыл бұрын
@@sometimesidreamaboutcheese very interesting things, thank you
@peggygeren41692 жыл бұрын
The car's trans axle was located far away - at the very tail of the car - from the gas pedal, and Lancia's mechanics - who were the best in the world - would have easily solved a problem as simple as the one you describe.
@g6rcteam814 жыл бұрын
Is it possible he just hit that corner to fast sliding the rear of the car off the road spinning and dropping almost backwards . The skid marks that were on the road were very light and seem to show a rear wheel slide 2 far outside the turn sideways with power on slide.
@Jerems2614 жыл бұрын
On voit bien qu'ils tirent la voiture par l'arrière et que l'impact dans l'arbre s'est fait du coté de Toivonen, il n'est pas sorti dans un simple sous virage comme a l'air de le dire J. Ragnotti.
@livingbeing11133 жыл бұрын
Apparently they had a mechanical, the gas pedal got stuck on the car's floor and sadly Toivonen lost control. They would've survived if not for the fire.
@peggygeren41692 жыл бұрын
@@livingbeing1113 Lancia's mechanics were absolutely the best. Don't you think that they could have solved that problem (if it existed) by simply installing a metal pedal stop?
@peggygeren41692 жыл бұрын
Michele Mouton and Bruno Saby each said that that corner was the most dangerous one on the entire stage - a high speed, blind, decreasing radius curve. They each had underlined it and marked it with exclamation points in their notes. Henri had been Ill during the practice period and he and Cresto had only managed to do one recce run. Henri had spent most of his career in Britain and northern Europe and in the ERC. He was relatively unfamiliar with Corsican stages compared to the French and Italian tarmac specialists who usually dominated there.
@livingbeing11132 жыл бұрын
@@peggygeren4169 I don't know, maybe. You should ask them. It was never clear what happened, but what they told Harri may be most plausible cause.
@neilroberts32344 жыл бұрын
motorsport heroes merry christmas too all!
@piovrasiciliana12445 жыл бұрын
Poveracci che brutta fine mannaggia la miseria ancora oggi e un dolore vedere queste immagini
@Yankee_rose124 жыл бұрын
20:48 le début de la fin du groupe B
@lesnuitssanskimwilde7986Ай бұрын
Les propos de ragnotti à la fin sont intéressants. Il aurait souhaité voir revenir les propulsions atmosphériques. Malheureusement on a eu les 4x4, 4 cylindres turbo, logique commerciale oblige.
@9scotti2 ай бұрын
On parlait de tout le monde même une petite samba maintenant que les grosses écurie 😢
@TomHagen88Ай бұрын
L'hallucinante discussion de Ragnotti et Chatriot analysant l'accident de Toivonen pendant que le squelette de la voiture est en train d'être sorti du ravin.
@madjidhamdini19773 жыл бұрын
2:58 justement ...l'histoire raconte le reste !
@silvanbeppigno4050 Жыл бұрын
il volto di Markku Alen al Min. 19:32 dice tutto di questa tragedia
@lionelrosiere20625 жыл бұрын
Le groupe B un peu comme le Groupe C ou la tentative du Groupe S en 1987 était du délire absolu, à l'heure actuelle ça passerai, mais pas en 1986. Après ça reste les plus belles années en F1 et en rallye et puis les groupe B auront eu de belles secondes vie au Dakar et rallye-cross
@SchlomoSion Жыл бұрын
A l'heure actuelle cela ne passerait pas.
@Gazoline60Ай бұрын
C’est dur sur sur qu’aujourd’huis les choses sont différentes, même en F1 , mais c’était quand même bien de voir une groupe B taper un F1 sur 400 mètres
@mariosaderi90965 жыл бұрын
Missiles sur route
@Goupilette4 жыл бұрын
Michelle Mouton demande le docteur pourquoi ?
@rascassette3 жыл бұрын
Trop forte chaleur dans l'habitacle sans doute dont beaucoup de pilotes se sont plaints
@fetusofetuso21227 жыл бұрын
ils ont quand même bien fait d'arreter le groupe B et le groupe S. Il y a un moment ou il faut savoir dire stop. Sinon c'est a chaque rallie qu'il y aurait eu un mort. Et Michèle peut bien parler, mais les groupes A en fin de compte on démontré qu'il y avait pas besoin de 600 chevaux suralimentés pour faire des courses intenses et spectaculaires.