1995 Alfa Romeo 164 QV Review: The Car BMW Should Have Feared

[@JayEmmOnCars]

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[@F4Insight-uq6nt]

The reason that ALFA could never compete will BMW in the Uk is mainly due to the fact that there was a lot of BMW Dealers and Service Centres for BMWs. Think company cars and fleet hire etc. Alfa's are just too Niche of a vehicle to compete with BMWs range.

[@serz1885]

12:27 what's the door closing to do with mileage? do you usually open and close doors while you driving?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

@@serz1885 it's the sound of quality

[@misterdog7]

11:30 60MPH? White corresponding to MPH and yellow KMH or am I seeing this wrong? :P

[@Indigenous51]

@@misterdog7 No ,you’re not . Probably needs reading glasses.

[@katzicael]

A friend of mine at Primary School when I was 12 - his Dad had one of these, he was an optometrist. Really cool guy.

[@DDLNX]

I would have to have been that persons friend or acquaintance. Molto bellow 🤌

[@lqr824]

I misread that as "optimist," and said to myself, well, quite, it's an Alfa after all.

[@brianiswrong]

​@@lqr824 That's exactly what I read on a quick pass😅😅

[@neilturner6749]

Seamore Clearly?

[@SenszR]

@@lqr824same 😂

[@hexgraphica]

One of the lead engineers of the Montezemolo Ferraris (Ugolini) had worked on the 164 since short after its inception. He was tasked with perfecting the chassis by finite elements analysis at a facility in Paris, and when the study was done the stiffness was almost double that of the closest competition, more than double that of an hatchback Then in 1983 the styling concept was overthrown on favour of Pininfarina's proposal, and the monocoque had to be adapted to the new looks. So he stepped in and with just 4 kilos of reinforcements he made his calculations real and gifted the 164 with 120'000 kgm ad. Soon after that Fiat Auto Group bought Alfa, at a project briefing this torsional stiffness value was revealed to Fiat engineers, who accused Alfa of having made this result up because the Fiat the Lancia and the Saab only scored 70'000. At the end the Fiat Group saloons were mandated to be at least 100'000 rigid

[@ThunderChunky101]

A truly brilliant man.

[@anastassiosperakis2869]

who cares. All Alfas are utterly unreliable piles of junk.

[@shand1967]

As an ex Fiat Croma owner I can attest how poor the torsional rigidity was for that car. The tailgate was so floppy I literally thought it would disintegrate in my hands.

[@ofmanynicknames]

As an ex Saab 9000 owner I can confirm the floppiness of that car too. Jack up one corner to change a wheel and the corresponding door barely opens, and definitely doesn't close again.

[@gersonc.2737]

You can not find these cars easily, a regular 164 is hard to find but a v6 or the qv are rare

[@kuseetha.]

164 is the first Alfa Romeo model I saw as a schoolboy in 1996, it looked like something else. I still own a 24V 164 since 2012 here in Sri Lanka. Maintenance and upkeep are getting expensive by the day, but it is a fantastic car to have. Thank you for the video, James.

[@ArmySigs]

Dude, you run a 164 in Sri Lanka? That's true love right there

[@kuseetha.]

@@ArmySigs thank you, there are actually 2 more V6 ones.

[@ridhwanramzi4773]

Hey machan I'm from Sri Lanka too! Saw a 164 flyby in marine drive recently. You a brave man for maintaining one in lanka. There was an autolanka forum member by the name of VVT-i who had a V6 164. Wonder if its you! I myself drive a Peugeot 406.

[@kuseetha.]

​@@ridhwanramzi4773I bought it from VVT-I back in 2012. I have moved to Kandy. I have a 33 as well. 406 is a nice car, D9 I guess?

[@narvul]

That 164 must be a rare sight over there.

[@Chipchap-xu6pk]

Quick note on Sod's law regarding sunroofs and windows. It never invokes on opening. You find out on closing.

[@lqr824]

Only if it is raining 😀

[@jumpferjoy1st]

One of my all time favourite cars ever owned. The Busso V6 is one of the greatest engines ever made. Mine was serviced by an ex Alfa touring car team mechanic and he was able to change the rev limiter from somewhere in the 7,000s up to 8,500rpm. Driving through Dartford tunnel with 8,000 revs, that was tingling moments, really was. Mine was all black on the outside and black interior. So when discussing the room in the boot, it is gauged on the number of bodies you can get in there, it was that sinister. As to parts, yep. Even when relatively new, the gearbox went while within warranty. It took six weeks for a gearbox to be sent over from Italy and cost them over five grand. Apart from that it was very reliable. The gearstick did come out in my hand once, while on the M25. But it just slotted back in and never caused issue again. Comedy moment, I had a warning light on the dash. The warning lights are in a long bar under the gauges. I checked the owners manual and couldn't tell what it was. I took it to the main Alfa dealer. They couldn't work out what it was either and offered to just take the bulb out of the warning light.

[@ArmySigs]

Nice. Did it require any other modifications to run at that rpm without blowing up?

[@jumpferjoy1st]

@@ArmySigs Thr mechanic had been recommended to me by one of the people at the Alfa Owners club of GB. Seeing that he was far more capable than the main dealer, apart from knowing his stamps on the service book were higher valued than a dealer stamp, I left everything to him he was that good. Alas it was back in the 90s and some stupid person crashed their Ford Ka into it wrecking both. And that ended my 164 ownership.

[@tastypymp1287]

'It was very reliable, apart from the gear stick becoming detached from the car while driving....'

[@martinboulden4388]

The coolest car you have driven this year ! This car should only be parked in a freezer ! Awesome. ❤

[@samlancaster1277]

I had a 3litre V6 Lusso in deep green . Ran for 3 years from 30,000 to 90,000 miles and wholly reliable . My son’s still remember and comment on just what a great car it was.

[@costafilh0]

I was obsessed with the design of this car as a kid! It looked so cool and mean in black!

[@harryspeakup8452]

I will never forget 1989 when the original 3.0 V6 manual car came out. The torque steer was ridiculous but the whole car was intensely happy-making and the engine divine. My first was only a short term loan but a friend later had one of her own which she and I both adored

[@benzinapaul7416]

Yes, the first cars with the higher located engine were very prone to torque steer, my old man had one and used to say when he wanted to overtake he didn't have to steer he just booted it and the car moved to the right on it's own!

[@aHumanCookiee]

@@benzinapaul7416 Mine does that 😆. Mind you, they corner well and it is only near full throttle that they do this.

[@wrapdump]

My dad bought one in '89. Proceeded to put 300k miles on it. We all still miss it.

[@aHumanCookiee]

@@wrapdump I hope mine makes it that far!

[@wrapdump]

@@aHumanCookiee I hope it's with you for a long time to come. My mum still reminisces about watching the rear squat slightly under acceleration as he'd set off for work. Such a fantastic shape.

[@glennmckenzie1096]

That shape! The perfectly proportioned saloon wrapped around a sensational V6 engine and very competent chassis. I loved mine and was very VERY sad when I had to move on from it.

[@rebeldrummeruk]

My dad had a 1996 2.0 TwinSpark Super Lusso in black as a company car back in the day. It was an incredibly special car, full of soul, passion and flair! It was reliable, well built and looked like something 4 times it's cost. As a teenager at the time I would drool over the Cloverleaf version which to this day I think still looks like a four door Ferrari. Chuffed that you found one to review James!

[@timhancock6626]

The Twin Spark is often overlooked, but was a remarkably capable car and so much lighter than the V6 that it was more fun to throw about the lanes. I had both and I viewed them as different cars. The V6 was a high speed cruiser that was still quick on the steering. It's the only car my kids ever told me off for selling.

[@richardsmith5249]

Back in '94/'95, I worked for Hewlett Packard in Bristol. There was some sort of company car tax swindle whereby the management made their cars available as "pool cars". One day, I got lucky, and got handed the keys of a shiny red Twin Spark. Two additional points: the 164 was the absolute dream car of my sister's husband, and the day I got the car was, coincidentally, his birthday... So after I'd done my business, I drove round to his house, parked in front, and banged on his door. "Happy birthday!" I said, dangling the keys. I didn't let him drive it, despite him begging quite pathetically, but I did take him for an extended sortie down the back roads.

[@wings9925]

I saw a Rosso example in Tunbridge Wells a week or so ago. It took be back to my teens, when the QV was the stuff of dreams. I remember the rave reviews in Autocar and other print media too. That beautiful 24-valve engine, the spaceship interior that has aged fantastically well. What a car.

[@benzinapaul7416]

The 164 QV 24V must be up there with the best cars I've ever owned, I've had 3 of them and they are just amazing, even the 24V Super gives you the same feeling. Awesome cars, great review James

[@shanedusautoy5258]

I have a 1996 TS Super I bought as a neglected non runner and am slowly bringing back to life. Surprisingly rust free car in a good spec with ABS, Aircon etc. I chose the twin spark as no belts to worry about and the last iteration of the classic Alfa twin cam.

[@zloychechen5150]

can you still get any parts?

[@ps36081]

You bought a dream project car!!! Rust free and can get it running!! Good luck and hope to hear its driving at some point!

[@shanedusautoy5258]

Yes, it needed a fuel pump to get it running which I managed to buy without issue. Once it ran the alternator showed up as not good and I found a replacement along with all the belts. Next is suspension etc but all seems to be available. Amazingly for a car that has stood all the electronics work other than the sunroof.

[@fabriziovenditti9246]

Le auto non italiane non hanno difetti ?🤔🤷‍♂️😤🤮

[@studiocalder818]

NOT surprisingly rust free, in fact 75, 164 have never suffered from it, at least not more than the competition. That period was already over, but the Vulgate remained

[@lmservice5902]

The last true Alfa was the 75 last rear wheel drive Alfa, until the Gulia. Although the 3.0 v6 164 was awesome, I'm biased. I had 3

[@charlietwotimes]

Had an Alfa and loved it. She didn't love me back and nor did my bank manager. When I sold it I wondered how long it would take me to forget how she hoovered up all my savings + nearly sent me to the poor house. Here I am, looking at Alfas again .. a decade later

[@BojanBojovic]

Alfa 166 is brilliant just like this, but noticeably better in every respect.

[@stevefield3377]

The 164 is a special one. Missing so much my dad's late '98 2.0 Twin Spark. That engine also has a glorious sound, you can hear the intake inside so well.

[@SSVHD]

I still have my ‘92 164S from new. Red/tan, V6 Busso engine is going strong at 99K miles. My ‘17 Giulia Ti Lusso 2.0L 4 engine has no soul in comparison.

[@ca9968]

I do love an old Alfa...my first car in the mid 90`s in South Africa was a 1983 1.5L Alfa Sud "Superhatch", such a fun, quirky and temperamental little car...drove it for 3 years and loved every minute of my time with her...

[@davidhills3100]

Oh my god! I so nearly bought a 164 Cloverleaf back in the mid-90s. It wouldn't have been at all sensible, but I just really really wanted it. The one that got away...

[@truant2000]

My late Father had 2 of these cars, the first was bought as a donor car for the 3.0 24v V6 to go into a Lancia Stratos kit car he was building, but while using it until the engine was required he fell in love with the car and went out and bought another that had better specs such as the leather seats and sunroof. The part at 6:47 brings back memories of when we opened the roof one morning only to find it wouldn’t close just moments later, as great as 80s/90s Alfa’s were, their electrics seemed to have a mind of their own.

[@alexjaybrady]

Mine locked all its doors with the engine running in a rainstorm when I was about to take a friend to the airport 😅.. I had to bust in one of the small triangular windows to get in.

[@pistonburner6448]

How could he be late with such fast cars?

[@exgtt2061]

The sound of this engine is how Subarus sound on TV show Road Wars lol From previous Busso ownership I can confirm to avoid straight through exhausts and to focus more on the intake. Carbon air boxes sound incredibly good and Ferrari throttle body’s can be made to fit. Check KZbin for the best V6 noises on any road car with this set up 👍 Jay, you need to try a 2.5 in a 156 - it’s the sweetest 24v Busso imo

[@alfavulcan4518]

I had a 91 164S. Difficult to work on, always a warning light on, and would have been wonderful as a rear drive car. That said, a lovely driving car, bank vault doors and first class HVAC

[@marcelromijn2227]

Loved this! I own a 164 for nearly 15 years now. Its a TwinSpark which is a bit lighter, nimble and has less torque steer. Suspension and exhaust are all new but original parts and it is such a fantastic car to drive and hear. Also have a AlfaSud and it resembles how great it handles. Dont miss rearwheeldrive on it but get why purists are put off by it.. untill they drive it. Despite slow sales the 164 was actually delivering a good profit for Alfa, just when FIAT took charge. Only the 156 has since been such a success.

[@longtailgt]

This to me is one of the most perfect looking saloons ever! It looks odd yet so amazing at the same time, in a way very, very few cars do.

[@dj_paultuk7052]

Nice of you to use my Saab 9000 Aero in your video. You could have asked first, but its ok.

[@dj_paultuk7052]

Just emailed you @JayEmmOnCars

[@bobbymcgee6149]

My second Alfa was a 168 12V. Lovely drive, especially on the highway. 164 and the Zender Milano... thats the ultimate 164 combo...

[@stevenfarrington2361]

A friend’s wealthy father has one of these from new in the early 90s; it was dark green and just the most gorgeous thing to behold. It flew through corners easily with no drama ❤️🤍💚

[@Jz-vd5zg]

We all need more vintage Alfa content

[@MySpeed12]

I remember my dad had a 155 1.8 Twin Spark, the gearboxes on those were so bad one time we were at a multistory car park in The Netherlands and the gearstick wouldn't come out of 3rd gear and the car was stuck on like 5 levels high ... nonetheless I have a love for Alfa's and would like to own a 155 again sometimes.

[@markferrero9288]

It's a beautiful 39 degree day here in Maine. I'm taking my 91' 164S out for a spin right meow.

[@ndsd04]

I had two 164TS and my third was a beautiful QV. I bought it in 2001 and ran it for two years. It was the best car I’ve ever owned. I just didn’t realise how good it was at the time. I loved the shape, it’s tan leather seats, the Busso engine and that dash. Oh the joy of that car, god I wish I still had it. One day, if you could find a good one, they’ll be worth decent money. After that I had three 166’s. A better car in some ways but not as raw. Great video.

[@towerdave4836]

I had a 1989 one. Loved it. Hot hatch performance and handling and a limo in one package. Driven sensibly the 3litre would return 34mpg ( by sensibly I mean cruising at 80 on the motorway) Comfortable, great engine and commodious , good looking, even Clarkson loved it.

[@BP-xe7dw]

The most timeless and beautiful 4 door sedan.

[@gregorythomas4470]

I love mine!! Although it’s been off the road for 10 years. :-(

[@paulcoulson2584]

Had a 75 twinspark when I was 19,totally unreliable and I absolutely loved it.

[@Matty-B-on-an-MTB]

The first Alfa Romeo I ever worked on as a 17 yr old Alfa apprentice. These will always hold a special place in my heart, and maybe one day, on my drive!

[@pd1596]

I owned one of these recently. It was great!!! But everything was slightly broken. A good short term experience 😂

[@yuidfbse]

.. and if you had kept it for much longer, you'd end up with a bunch of loose screws, bolts and pieces worth a trashcan.

[@TheBadBunny87]

These really do get better with age. As a kid I always thought they were ugly. But every year that passes they get that little bit more beautiful.

[@quackman]

I've been watching for around a year how and I finally have to ask..... how does this guy make so many awesome videos on this many cool cars....? I see JayEmm's videos pop up in my regular youtube feed and assume "oh this must be from a couple years ago, how did I miss this cool car?" then realize it just came out a few hours ago.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Constant work

[@markcarlton]

​@JayEmmOnCars A shame you're not in Australia. If you ever visit, I have 4 classic Alfa's you should try. I had 2 more over the years but mistakenly moved them on😢.

[@davidbewick9208]

Owned 3 of these over the years. Always red as the QV colours were limited. That car has the optional Recaro interior unless it was retrofitted which some were. The servicing needs an independent specialist and they can be ruinously expensive to put right if you get a bad one. They are an absolute joy to drive and surprisingly nimble. My last one maxed out by pulling 7000 rpm in 5th and showing 160mph on the speedo. They were booked at 152mph top end. The adaptive damping is a common fail and is expensive to fix as is the digital readout for the climate control. There was a 4WD version with more power and a Getrag 6sp box but they were quite fragile and not many built (all LHD). It was badged the Q4 and is completely different to the standard QV. (Please note James)

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

I just agree about all the details that you mentioned. A wonderful machine. I never had the 164, but would love to. Still my favorite Alfas are: the 75, Spider (the 4th gen) and 33 from the 90s. :) There are also others, but these are my favorites. In regards to the 164, I would go for the 3.0 V6 and in black. :) Drop by mate, you may like my content. :)

[@davidbewick9208]

@RRRRefuelRideRace the QV was only available in red white or black. Recto interior super rare and in tan leather is like hens teeth

[@RRRRefuelRideRace]

@@davidbewick9208 I know. The QV is a wonderful Alfa, but also others were very nice. :)

[@matrik03]

​@@RRRRefuelRideRaceor a 2 liter V6 Turbo

Q4 had the same power as QV, I had one, Torsen diff has its troubles, but car went like a train on fast roads...

[@olafvanes]

Thanks for this my first Alfa was a 164 V6 from 1989 (bought in 1993 with on 150.000 km on the clock but probably more, shady dealer) Would have liked a LSD and airco. On the motorway it was pretty fast did 230 km/h but could maintain speeds of 150/160 km/h (~ 100 mph) easily. Only thing that rusted were the wing mirrors holders (aluminium extrusion) It had a cloth interior, still nice and the backseat didn't fold down that was a bit of nuisance at Ikea.

[@aviobrain]

I loved mine,a 3.0 Super Lusso that had a 4 valve Cloverleaf engine in it. your review is a realistic one. Even though front drive, I managed to spin mine once, caught the slide but was pointing at a lampost so ended up letting it go all the way round!

[@aljack1979]

My mates dad had one, he had numerous Alfas in the early 90s.. A beautiful car, I remember drooling over it as a kid

[@neil5209]

Bought a 1993 L plate black 3.0 v6 in 1997....a mint 85k mile ex company car. My mates who had things like Calibra & Cavalier turbos & one with a 325 BMW coupe took the piss until i lowered it, put on a set of 17"Azev A's & fitted a nice alpine sound system....did nothing else to it & it was one of the coolest looking cars in the area. I was about 28 at the time & not long bought my first house so it was my last cool car for a few years....loved it & never had any probs. When i advertised it for sale it was gone within a day. Great car & so over looked in its day

[@peterfritzphoto]

I drove this at its launch here in Australia. Loved it. Still do.

[@tabsqc]

I drove one for 3 years. It had the best engine (v6) I have ever sat behind. It had terrific torque steering if you floored it from a start. It was a love hate relationship as it spent an inordinate amount of time in the garage for every form of complaint. It was NEARLY brilliant.

[@daphnemulder6771]

Nice! My father used to have this car and later the Alfa SZ. It was very cool (to have a father like that!) Thanks for your nice video's.

[@simonphillips5208]

Spent the morning on our local Cornish lanes in a little 916 Spider. Not that powerful or expensive but, Alfa really knew how to deliver the sweetest engine note and a whole load of character. The Italians understood fun.

[@Cynical_Ninja]

I friend of mine had a V6 164 the same time I had my e38 740i. The Alfa could actually keep up with the Bimmer and both cars looked great next to each other. The plus for the Bimmer was that I almost never had to top off the oil and never had to stop to pick up my brake pads 🤣🤣🤣

[@arnoherrmann2495]

This review is excellent! I owned a 3.0lt V6 164 in grey metallic with tan leather interior for 240'000 km and a 3.2lt V6 164 Q4 in dark red metallic one tone with beige interior for 139'000 km. The 3 lt is much finer, quieter, a bit more economical, to drive like a luxury car but front axle suspension is less stable. The Q4 was more sporty with a more direct steering, hoarse noise, an excellent precise 6 speed Gertrag gearbox, excellent seats, very safe in all weather conditions, very stable, a bit heavier, therefore not much faster, but fantastic to drive fast, beautiful.164 Alfas were really advanced and very well made in their period. You had a lot of room, comfort, sight for all passengers and luggage. I loved it. The 166's very extremely reliable. I did not like the interior front aera, but it was very roomy. My experience learned me that 90's cars are much better than 80's regarding reliability, etc. I loved 30's, 60's, 70's and 90's cars, mainly Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Ferrari from beginning till today, Jaguar MkIIs and early XJ12s/Daimler Double Sixes (at its time much better than Rolls Royce). I love your reports.

[@tipring6956]

I've owned three 24v valve versions of the 164, all manual transmissions, and they truly are sporting executive sedans, surprisingly fun to drive. The FWD torque is best handled by inserting a later Q2 or Quaife LSD. Sure footed and well handling, you don't feel like you're in a big car, since the false firewall in the engine bay draws the passengers closer to the front windshield. There's no dash to really speak of. The Busso sits low, and so the cowl is also such, giving quite the expansive view forward. My only true complaint from ownership and trying to repair things is that it is a very tight engine bay, and everything is overly complicated. Nothing is straight forward to repair, in fact it can be down right frustrating. Such that a group of local Alfisti often refer to our 164s as 1-sh*tty-fours. They are lovely, have aged well, and when sorted, are damn dependable. I currently have a 1995 164Q - last year Alfa was in the states (before their recent return).

[@uo1147]

I know this video is a few months old but seeing this really solidified my want for this car, and I went and got one! Thanks for inspiring me to finally do it, and, after about 6,000 miles of road trip in it both to get it home and show it off to some friends, I have to say it’s my favorite car I’ve ever owned, including C4 Corvette, BMW Z4 3.0Si, Mazda RX-7 FB and FD, a number of classic British and American sports/muscle cars, and even a Jaguar XJS, among some other things. I never really believed that Italian cars had that magic that people describe, but this being my first experience with a vintage one, I finally get it! Thanks so much Jay, I hope you can get your hands on more of these weird older cars that never get enough attention.

[@ip2networkz81]

Had a dark green 164L with tan leather ... loved that engine and the exhaust note on mine was really throaty. Dashboard had so many buttons lol

[@richardhill1972]

My Dad had 2 of these a 92 K reg 12 valve Alfa red and beige and a 96 24 valve N87 UMO, Alfa red with beige leather. Wonderful car, so emotional.

[@Anders_HeymSR30]

I had a 1993 164 24V Super, and adored it! My dad was inspired to buy a 1993 164 QV 24V with a Remus back box and it is to this day the best sounding 6 cylinder engine I have experienced (including owning a Giulia Quadrifoglio)

[@aviobrain]

I loved my 164. Sounded fantastic and covered the ground very nicely. I wont admit to how fast I used to get down the Keynsham Bypass.

[@timmytom]

I had two, the 2 litre QV from new upgrading this to a 3 litre Cloverleaf . I wished I'd kept both . The electrics were a pain for both. You never knew which way the aircon would blow and on the first one the red paint was a slightly different shade on various panels. Both got under my skin. I was persuaded to get the 166 . It just wasn't the same. Thank you for the wonderful memories.

[@vojislavvukmanovic7061]

I had a privelege to be driven in a brand new 12 valve QV, the smell of the leather, engine sound... and that car is the reason that Im on my second Alfa, GIULIETTA QV...

[@tf-td8cs]

I am in canada.. there are still a few of these here and there. Enthusiasts love them, I think they are beautiful...sadly you have to be a collector.enthusizst to keep one alive in parts and maintenance. Some have Sexier than any bmw

[@cliffm6566]

The 164 is still one of my all time favourites. I seriously considered one at the time early 90s, but was concerned about the Italian reliability thing lol. They are super scarce today, and very unique.

[@Hipas_Account]

I own a Peugeot 605 which has somewhat similar design apart from the front and rear treatment, which i have to say atleast for the rear, the Alfa did it better. I especially love the side streak that both the 605 and the 164 have. I once had the chance to park my 605 next to a 164 and i found out they're about the same size too.

[@Salman-sc8gr]

Amazingly I have both too, the 605 suspension and steering are very superior, zero torque steer and super suspension.

[@johnireland1629]

I owned a 91 L with the 190 hp two valve engine. The car was incredible. I miss it still, and this while I own a new Giulia which I also love. Thanks for the great ride in this red one. It makes me think of when I put mine on the track...again, wonderful.

[@jonnywalker3208]

Never realised how much those front lights look like an older caverliers! My lord ... yet its still quite beautiful, last alfa I drove was a GTV back in 2004, understeered like a pig, wasn't that quick but my GOD it was and still is one of thee most beautiful cars ever made.

[@gazface1]

I have an Alfa rosso Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde and yes, she’s front wheel drive, but by God do I love ❤ her anyway! Nobody’s perfect 😊….

[@Ade2bee]

I had two of these, I try to find another one, but they are so rare. It had the turning circle and sportiness of a much smaller car, yet the luxury of a five series. Incredibly nimble.

[@angshoken]

Alfa 75 was the last alfa🥰

[@karlos1060]

I have owened 2 Alfa 164 2 liter TS and they were really good. No rust at all at older age. Very comfortable, silent and spacious. Only the door handles were not well when it froze. They can snap. But the 2 liter had a timing chain, and was very solid. I had a pulmann interior. And the seat were at 170K miles still like new. no wear at all. One of the best if not best made Alfa's. Also the 166 i had the 3 liter busso. Also very solid and good quality. But i think the 164 toped it in some regards.

[@agenturawubekistanie]

I drive a 166 fl diesel since 2,5 years and I am still sure it was the best choose for a first car as it could be, its awesome in - almost - every way. I know that when she will "pass away", I will never have such great car anymore.

[@vegard5455]

Nice. I had an 1991 QV like this. And the interiour was a proper conolli leather. And the electric suspension did work. And it was noticible. It became a gocart when you pressed it. So much fun. And the memory and everything worked on it. So many good memories of this car.

[@rupertmiller4718]

That centre console is amazing, reminiscent of Lecson Hi Fi or Meridian.

[@francescotenti193]

I had a 164 S which I kept for nearly 10 years and 150,000 miles Great car, great engine that loved to rev to and past the redline and even if a FWD, it was a true Alfa. I still regret selling it. Fortunately the "selling bug" did not bite my '88 Spider which I will drive until I can move.

[@fredhadley739]

I've owned 3 164 cars, including a red manual QV nearly identical to the one in this video, loved them all! I remember that the seat leather was some of the very best I'd ever seen, even to this day. The handling was spirited and pleasureful, notwithstanding the FWD, power enough.

[@tastypymp1287]

3,164 cars? Are you Arthur Daley?

[@klasseact6663]

This car looks incredible and those rims really set it off😎

[@ChristianACW]

What a car!! 😍 Many years ago I had a 164 2,0 Super - and even with the smaller engine this was a real gem! Instead of leather mine had dark green velour seats and door cards and wooden stearing wheel and shiftknob (exterior colour was anthracite metallic) - may sound weird but it was utterly beautiful 😍 One of the best cars I ever had - and I had a lot of Alfas in my life! The quality of the 164 was on a different level - such a shame they didn't sell more of them!

[@thedrivebygg]

Love the interior, looks fantastic. The centre console with all the buttons looks like an organ, and those air vents and the digital display, how cool.

[@fixerbear7912]

Always wanted one back in the day, excellent motor 164, a beast

[@roverM30ds]

Alfa Romeo, Lancia and Saab jointly developed this car. Saab 9000 etc

[@juliansimmonds4912]

I had one as a company car. Just one word summed it up really.... the purr of that 3litre. Considering I drove 70miles a day to get to work it was effortless....thanks for the memories Alfa Wow!!!!! 🙂

[@Phil-RS]

I owned the same car around 2006 to about 2010. I had problems with the sunroof, the closing operation was somewhat dodgy from what i remember plus it leaked a bit. I had to refurbish the ABS tray and make new mounts for the rubber bungs to sit it. I had to custom make some parts like relay covers as they were missing. The previous owner had it lowered but they cut the self levelling suspension cables. The external door handles were a bit dodgy as well, typical digital display segments would fail. In the end it gave up the ghost because the fuel pump packed up and that is a hard place to get to, it was misfiring and at the time, i couldn't get the core packs plus some other parts i needed like impossible to find the main seal rubber for the sunroof. I sold mine to my neighbour across the road and 10 years later, it is still sat there under a tarp rotting away :-( Other than all that when it was going it was a great car, it definitely had that 'something', other petrolheads wanted to race it and the sound of it is of legends. It gained a lot of attention and admiration. Sadly the 164 just doesn't hold much value. I still have a few bits for that car kicking around here somewhere. I miss that car though, i had a sort of Christine relationship with it.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Love the styling and interior of this car. The bussy engine is fantastic. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

[@ilmelangolo]

Busso! 😉👍

[@possibly8180]

"Bussy" has a vastly different connotation lmao

[@chriscarbaugh3936]

I bought a new Alfa 145 16v, the warm hatch top of the line 145, prior to the Cloverleaf. Wow was that little 1.7 boxer characterful! I was a lot younger then. I add a Momo strut brace a Supersprinit exhaust and fiddled the throttle by taking the metal plate under the pedal completely off. For 129BHP she felt very quick and was a lot fo fun. in 4 years of ownership it never let me down. I only sold it as I left the country. You dont see them anymore.

[@Zlin0035]

Coar what a lovely Alfa, im personally thinking of getting an Alpha romeo at one point, specifically the 145QV

[@ethelburga]

A stunning, beautifully comfortable extremely reliable car that was a joy on long journeys. I had 9000s before this and it was every bit as good and that's the highest compliment I can pay any car. It was the only Alfa, the only Italian car on our executive fleet. Twice a year we used to do trade shows in Hannover and Berlin. Non drivers would choose to go out in the BMWs but fight come back with me in the Alfa, the back seats being that much more comfortable. The skirt meant that bombing along autobahns at 155mph felt safe in the QV. Almost never got axle tramping from the FWD which repaid anything you lost in the dry when it got wet. And Sean, I see, polishes his manifold like I did. Lifting the bonnet always lifts your spirits. Bought mine off the lease company and kept it for 10 years and, along with a DS23 with everything Citroen could think of (leather B and C posts) it's the car I wish I still had now. It's looks were quirky but head-turning. The adaptive dampers were actually Ferrari parts and £2400 a pair seemed a lot in the early 90s. One journalist at the time said on one setting you could tell when you drove over a coin, and on the other you could tell whether it was heads or tails. If you'd found a quiet tunnel, you'd have been there all morning. Just the tickover used to make my hair stand on end

[@bram1874]

I had a 164 Cloverleaf in the 90s and loved it. Have since owned 3ltr Audi's, BWM's and Mercs but the Alfa came close to all of them when i came to the driving experience.

[@italianduded1161]

Nono… I can’t believe it… nope…. WHAT THE!!??? I absolutely love this one! I wish I will have a q4 version Gorgeous car! I was searching vids about this car, didn’t expect you to make a video about it… thanks a lot !!!

[@roby72s]

The Alfa 164. The most beautiful E segment berlina, ever made. Great review.

[@MGman100]

My mate had one of these in black. I remember a spirited ride to watch the BTCC at Brands Hatch in the 90s. Stunning car.😊

[@scottcowan6798]

Loved this piece! I always remember my dad having the choice back in early 90s when deciding upon a company car.. Alfa 164 QV or MB 300E or BMW 525i.. he chose the Merc… I was gutted.. the 300E was brilliant though.. until I wrote it off..

[@2009ericwong]

That red black two tone body is such a drop dead beauty...

[@janstaes2172]

alfa romeo even had a V 10 engine in the 164 prototype (it is still visible @ the alfa romeo museum. in the eu they had a 4wheel drive version and a V 6 turbo 2litre

[@RasmusDyhrFrederiksen]

My dream car as a young man. Still a beautiful car with an amazing engine. The classic Alfa Romeo V6.

[@davidatkinson2167]

I owned a couple of Fiat Croma vehicles and some Saab 9000. All better than society thought but I did have access to a couple of 164s. One a 2 litre but the other the V6 Lusso. That was a beautiful car to drive. Immense power and the push in the back when you floored the throttle at 90mph was exhilarating. Italian cars need to be driven with enthusiasm. I also owned a Lancia with two twin choke Webers fitted. It was not a Thema but it went well.

[@riccello]

Italian cars are always special

[@Viking2dk]

It's funny. I bought a black 164 3.0 12V from 1995 a month or so ago, then you upload this video and now AutoAlex has bought one as well. Mine isn't driving though. It's running too high in idle and it needs a new clutch, but literally everything electric works on it. It's quite amazing.

[@hakanbengtsson5234]

Best car I have own. My car was 4 wheel drive and i just loved it.

[@Techjunkiero]

Always loved the Alfa 164! Another gorgeous and timeless design by Pininfarina IMO. What a great review!!!