1996-03-26 NSPRS 029 - Theologia Mystica

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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society -- 1996-03-26 NSPRS 029 - Theologia Mystica
An Exploration of the Theologia Mystica of Saint Dionysius: Based on Alan W. Watts' Translation. Emptying the Mind (Hellenic way) vs Restraint (Eastern, meditational way). Thanks to Bob Keller for filming, Julie Grabel Postel for producing and funding, and Sean Angier and Lisa Bivens for editing and digitizing from VHS to DVD. noeticsociety.org

[@jacobbritton7359]

One of the best lectures I've ever seen

[@Bawlerzo]

'I enjoy the handwriting. .' 'It's totally unknowable, you know that already ' - Dr Grimes you're a legend for this

[@Robb3348]

what's legendary about that?

[@Cottage1113]

YES! Thank you!!!

[@timjacobs9292]

I hardly ever leave comments on videos, but I’m 22 years old, for the past 2-3years I have been actively searching for and listening to stuff along the lines of Alan watts, Terrence McKeena, nietzche, and other philosophical and spiritual/religious teachings and I’ve only today discovered pierre grimes. It strikes me as very odd that this man has so few followers and so little attainable information about him until you find small gold nuggets like this lecture and the ones on the Noetic society’s page. but the fact he doesn’t even have a full Wikipedia page or in general loads of information from a basic google search baffles me along with the fact his videos should have much more traffic than they do I find it hard to believe it’s because of a lack of interest, but rather more likely a lack of exposure by the algorithms and large overseeing tech companies. Thankful to have found out about him but I struggle to understand why he isn’t more well know or why I haven’t heard anything from him till now

[@ferdwenen4892]

Keep coming back to go through it again.. through the years i noticed i discover more when i revisit his class

[@joshaaronhensley]

This is one of my favorite of Pierre's lectures.

[@cabbanisbrasil]

I'll check it out too

[@jacobbritton7359]

I can't believe Dr. Grimes is really gone... May he dwell in the Divine Intellect forever.

[@ajmosutra7667]

What a sympathic professor

[@sablon768]

Why do I already understand this? Its like Ive always understood it.

[@shogun9450]

Plato said we know by remembering

[@krissifadwa]

This just proves how tricky this realm actually is.

[@infinifi2910]

For me Dr Grimes's Theologia Mystica has been an amazing lecture in learning to understand neoplatinism more deeply. A learning about how man can develop an understanding that leads towards the ending of wars .... but .... to date this video's only had 285 thumbs up. What a diabolically crazy world we're all living in!

[@krissifadwa]

Diabolically? That's harsh lol..More like a complacent society with decreasing attention spans, is all

[@FreedomandRights4US]

Don't worry, many things fit in necessity

[@rayner-hilles]

Aldous Huxley's "Perennial Philosophy" might have been mentioned.

[@mariakatariina8751]

This Black Sun idea has been in use in Suomi Shamanism for at least ten thousand years.

[@andytuesday500]

🤩👍❤️🙏

[@infinitenothingness]

I am Nothingness.

[@adamblock2577]

Is there is list of the books he recommends in the lecture? I’d love to have a list. Thank you!

[@adamblock2577]

@@thomasmirowski8859 THANK YOU!!

[@FeliciaEndersby]

@@thomasmirowski8859 thank you 🙏🏽

[@magouliana32]

I can’t see the list ?

[@charlesgodwin2191]

We experience whatever we are convinced of. I think therefore I am. I am therefore there is that which is. There is that which is. There is not that which is that is other than that which is, because if there were anything other it would still be that which is that we call other. Therefore, that which is, is all-inclusive. That darkness beyond all thought is being aware of being aware, wherein perceiver, perceiving and perceived are one. This is the wholeness of the One without a second, the absolute, which serves as the supernal continuum of being, that functions as a diversified unity that actualizes as a unified diversity or uni-verse. Therefore, whatever appears as other is in reality the wholeness of the One expressed as extension. We are all as rays of the one sun. This is the one Absolute Being in which all relative beings live, move and have their being, who's center is everywhere and who"s circumference is nowhere since that which is nothing in particular is by definition everything in general or potential. If you drop awareness you still have awareness-of nothing. Thus, nothing presupposes awareness of it. The eternal mystery of being which cannot be known conceptually but can be experienced concerns how the One can be one yet two? How awareness and being can be one yet two, since only being can experience awareness and only awareness can experience being. This third implied element, of experience, reveals awareness and experience to be the poles of the continuum of being. As a continuum there is no division, thus presupposing a structure of awareness as the innermost and experience as the outermost, some of each in the other. This in turn presupposes a midmost that can convert experience into awareness and awareness into experience. This would be the psyche or Soul, or the integrated heart, mind and will. Uniting the heart and mind activates the will. Thus, the Soul or Psyche converts experience into awareness or knowledge, learning, and converts awareness into experience; dreaming our experience and experiencing our dream, creating desirable outcomes to experience completion of joy in form which is fulfillment. #9

[@Purwapada]

The knower, cannot be an object of knowledge, just as fire cannot burn itself - Shankara

[@Bawlerzo]

'What does this do? What does this exercise do?' She said irritate you.. lol :p

[@karmatrinleyeshe]

This is an incredibly clear presentation. Intellectually it’s good teaching. I disagree with part of the instructor’s tone. In places I t is irreverent jnana, but it is part of a teaching style that communicates in good faith. The religious function (bakti) can easily be minimized in the face of an lecture that has to convey volumes of information: it feels defended. Samadhi sidhi ishvarapranidanat says Patanjali: Sadhana Pada: "Samadhi is the power developed from devotion to the divine." That means generally speaking mantra: sa-bija. After that is nir-bija: without any seed: samadhi. That’s the yogic response to the dangers of both orthodoxy and irreverent modernist teaching. Moses totally went to the dark night: into the dark night: Har Sinah: Mount Sinai: is a mount of "hatred" (the violence and arrogance of ignorance): at the top of the mountain is darkness: Choshech, anan, ha rafel. Three levels of darkness. The darkness is total.

[@karmatrinleyeshe]

Commentary on Saint Dionysus I,3 “He is truly revealed without coverings only to those who pass beyond all things pure and impure… …for not unmeaningfully was the blessed Moses first Biden to be purified, and then to be set aside from the unpurified.” From Wikipedia: According to Rabbinic tradition, the name "Sinai" derives from sin-ah (שִׂנְאָה), meaning hatred, in reference to the other nations hating the Jews out of jealousy, due to the Jews being the ones to receive the word of God.[25] "jealousy of the Jews." Yes, that is the ideological position: but the further revision is as Alan Watts writes: "yet Dionysus as we must still call him, took the Biblical proscription of idolatry to the logical conclusion that intellectual and conceptual images of God are more liable to be confused with God himself than images of wood and stone." That's total darkness. One might object that hatred, aversion is a single klesha and not itself avidya, ignorance. But what I see here is awareness of total ignorance in the Mosaic tradition. But the author of the Theologia Mystica has not apparently grasped the Hebraic aspect. There is an additional aspect around holiness (kadoshim) that is beyond purity. Even Plato would refer to "To Agathon." These are religious, feeling terms. They are not intellectual terms. Not intellectual terms: when contemplating jnana as an intellectual pursuit, one should consider its fundamental “negation” in philosophy both in the vestiges of Hegelian West, and in the East, “neti-neti” is also rejecting, psychoanalytically anile in every sense: this prompts a neologism, “jnan-muladhara” (The devotional aspect is Ganesha), jnan rejects from this level of knowing. But again it is the heart that carries beyond defensive intellect.

[@karmatrinleyeshe]

Again, listening to this, acknowledging that is is very artful teaching of the essential concepts in the work. A sense of the Theologia Mystica there is a similar sense to Jung writing, “The knowledge of the heart is in no book and is not to be found in the mouth of any teacher, but grows out of you like the green seed from the dark earth.” -C G Jung. Red Book. There is a humbling of knowledge in the pursuit of what cannot be persued. The heart can do this, but the mind cannot.

[@pinecone9045]

Point out the irreverence.

[@MrJamesdryable]

31:30 smooth.

[@MrJamesdryable]

7:38

[@tommymichaelsongblancato9572]

THEO LOGICAL A MYSTY KA!

[@dannyj5756]

Why do we employ the negation method stating what HE is not. Is that not in itself a concept we are still clinging to.. thanks

[@josiefiordasavill4923]

Dionysius must have written the Book of Q !! “Thomas AQuinas Quoted Dionysius 17oo times, that is TELLING”. Love to you Pierre... ✌️

[@josiefiordasavill4923]

Dionysius appears in Acts 17. Q !!

[@tomato1040]

23:23 Moses Witnessed A Multitude of Trumpets', in Etudes of Virgin Nudes, Singing, Playing, & Dancing, Worshipping, in Phrases & Praises no 1 excludes!

[@Purwapada]

they were 72 grapes not virgins! cos '72 houris' in the qu'ran was copied from aramic poems

[@raycosmic9019]

Our inner Light shines brightest in the darkness of meditation. Inner Light = Being aware of being aware. Moses (Spiritualized Intellect) can only take us to the promised Land of generating a creative fill in the blank to ponder. Only Aaron (Intuition) can take us into it, to Revelation. Creative Inquiry: Mentation - Metanoia - Mutation 1. Immersion (mentation) 2. Saturation 3. Incubation 4. Fruition (metanoia) 5. Confirmation (mutation) 6. Implementation 7. Calibration Being aware of nothing is still being aware - of being aware. Being aware of being aware is inconceivable by the binary intellect. How can the perceiver possibly perceive itself? But, perception is modulated by the 5 senses. Being aware of being aware is unmodulated by either the senses or the intellect and is easily experienced. Being aware of being aware is all an infant can do initially.

[@armchairrockstar186]

Isn't it kind of irritating that god is unknowable? But if it was knowable there would be no freedom and sponteinity and we would be prisoners.

[@fryingwiththeantidote2486]

preserve the mystery!!!

[@josiefiordasavill4923]

FryingWithTheAntidote ohhh thats from the good teachers website !!! Perfect !! Are you him ?? I grew up in costa mesa and cannot believe his Noetic SOciety is based in Costa Mesa and he was there the whole time teaching at Golden west college in hungtington beach and giving talks in the park on his days off ....now im overseas

[@mills8102]

If it wasn't irritating, we'd quit pursuing. If it could be attained, we would cease living. My opinion.