1996 Jeep Cherokee Engine Stumble Diagnosis and Gas Tank Cleaning (Ep.6)

[@Shane-Singleton]

Yeah fuel systems tend to work better when they don’t have gravel, twigs, and maple syrup in them. I hope that the new tank, strainer, and associated bits permanently fix this issue.

[@riskyboomer9618]

Gasoline?, did you mean “Forbidden Beef Broth”

[@AddictedtoProjects]

I've had 'the pleasure' of learning this lesson on a 1957 Chevy Belair around 20 years ago. The fuel tank was just about as bad as the Jeep's, and the insides of the mechanical fuel pump looked very much the same. It was so bad, it just clogged two filters right up, and I couldn't get any fuel to the carb. Comes with the territory of running old pieces of junk I supposed ;)

[@Codethe_Road]

The Jeep Cherokee episodes are my favourite.. I would even like to see a detail/painting, or just general repairs and mods. I love Cherokee content!

[@evo33130]

Furness Prime 😍❤️

[@Codethe_Road]

@@evo33130 How do you do emotes on KZbin???

[@otsenres1636]

My 73 Torino that sat for 15 years, and the fuel tank was like yours, the pick up sock disintegrated and the previous owner didn't use any in-line filters. So it would start up and then stall. The inside of the carburetor was just as bad as the fuel tank. I basically replaced the tank,fuel pump,rebuilt the carb,new sending unit/sock and installed a fuel filters. Now it runs great.

[@jmaxim80]

See's the gas, " their's your problem lady!"

[@tvguy12346]

definitely giving it the beans towards the end!

[@slowride55]

There's

[@nathanosteen7407]

South main auto👌🏻

[@85square]

someones been watching eric o

[@stop_rotary_abuse8834]

The exhaust in the back of your jeep is the most relatable thing I have ever seen . I have a 1995 Cherokee and the exhaust had fallen off. I had it in the exact position for around 4 months lmao

[@jonasthemovie]

Perfect end of the work week. Thank you! The O2 sensor sits a tad too close to the end of the pipe, could cause misreads as fresh air can tumble upstream.

[@FuzzyDiceProjects]

The check engine light comes and goes now and then, seems to have to do with that sensor. In the next episode we will throw together at least part of an exhaust system for it to help take care of that (and the noise!)

[@clevelandmaker386]

@@FuzzyDiceProjects don't forget to get some new fuel hoses

[@GoPaintman]

The ECU likely goes into open loop when floored or at high RPMs. The upper O2 sensor gets ignored.

[@screamineagle88]

For future reference, you can use a bucket full of "cleaned" crush and run (white "drivway" gravel), or some lengths of chain swirled around inside the tank to "scour" the inside. Then use a product such as POR-15 to coat the inside. They also have a complete cleaning/coating kit for fuel tanks.

[@linginfelterh]

You channel is definitely one of my favorites. Keep wrenching!

[@thewilddinkus8026]

Why does he have beer in his gas tank?

[@Kristo99]

to drink it later

[@zeusek-2137]

Red head goals

[@kevinmcewen1760]

More important question... why were they putting gas in the beer tank?!?!

[@BR1GADIER]

DUI

[@indianrc]

finally, a new upload on the jeep

[@jeremysmith8990]

My 99 XJ has 300k miles and currently runs 38’s on 1 ton axles and still rips... love these things, allows me to keep my ‘13 Rubicon looking like the day I bought it (special ordered brand new) sitting in my shop... I’ve got over $60k invested in that beauty and plan on keeping it forever so the XJ is what I get to beat the snot out of on the trails!

[@sandwich3051]

I going to do the same thing to mine, seeing this video gives me some relief that is am right with my diagnosis. The truck sat for a long-time guy only use to go hunting a few times a year never. I got it for $900 with 81000 miles on it not a bad deal, rust as can be. So, my mistake was filling my tank to full and added some fuel cleaner which broke all that rust and gunk clogging the sock. I removed the fuel filter and the stuff that came out was swamp water looking. Have all the parts now will be doing it soon. thanks for the video.

[@wallyworksonstuff343]

Great video man! Like how lighthearted you guys were while working, a lot of guys get caught up in the work and get aggravated quite easily, but you’ve got to remember that it’s supposed to have some fun involved. I spent seven hours last week pulling the head on my 49 and replacing the headgasket, along with a couple other things. I just put a video up if you’d like to take a look. It was fun but definitely a reminder that cars aren’t always easy to fix. Great video.

[@Palehorae20]

I had a 1992 Ford Explorer that had the same problem it had sat for 8 years my dad remarried in that explorer was sitting in his wife's backyard and she thought it had a locked up motor and all that was wrong with it was a fuel pump without she gave it to me once I did the troubleshooting on it determined it was a fuel pump I replaced the fuel pump and tried to clean out the gas tank is best as I could play the seemed like it was lined with tar varnish or something and every time I fill it up with gas it would just contaminate the fuel I ended up replacing the gas tank

[@kevinshea4776]

I now know why you guys were laughing when the fuel tank finally broke free and thumped on the ground. 15 gallons of fuel and the weight of the tank sure isn't light! Nice video! Persistence always pays off!

[@bobmartin7409]

I had an issue like this once. I put some cleaner in the tank along with some stones to act as an abrasive, then sloshed it around. Worked well

[@ericbuist8218]

A trick I've used on a couple tanks to drain them before dropping is run the hose from the fuel pump into a bucket and then jump the terminals on the pump's relay socket. It can take a while but definitely beats wrestling 15 gallons down!

[@platonicrhino6842]

had a similar work-around with a 383 i was working on, car had the fuel pressure regulator under the hood, so we just ran some soft line off of that and tried cranking it to empty the tank that way

[@cristian6766]

Would love to see you guys restore the jeep all the way!!!

[@pitbullgamer8116]

When grinding on the bolt we don't want to heat it up Because of the heat treat so we dip it in water but then we Weld it

[@FuzzyDiceProjects]

Slow, quick welds, and time to cool in between. That's why the welds look so bad (well also not sanding off the coating), because they were done a little at a time

[@kenabi]

in cases like this with stumble, pull an injector and watch how it sprays. this will let you know to start checking through the fuel system. this method lets you check without spending any money (in theory). cut the top off a larger soda or gatorade bottle and set the injector in it and affix it someplace it won't get too warm or dislodge (keeping the injector up high enough to be able to see the spray but still be in the bottle), then have someone start the vehicle in question for a little bit to inspect how the injector sprays. google image search has some nice examples of good vs bad patterns. cheap, easy and should let you know if you need to focus on electrical (sensors, etc) vs other. also tends to save you some time.

[@morgansword]

You two had fun or made fun out of it so no foul, this is more common than one thinks. Here in alaska we suffer with off brand fuel companies with lots of water circulating in tanks at the station when tankers refill them. I drove to the station with my truck on empty and filled up. Small towns know you and it helps when they see it happen in front of them. I filled up, paid then got five feet and engine died and after running battery dead and being jumped, took top off the carb.... water! Stuck syphoning hose in tank and pumped five gallon and then second one then third and part of forth... all water so pumped from the meter pump and its watery and rusty! Had to wait for them to go get me fuel from another station and they shut their station down. Their tanks pumped said removal time and I was the lucky one to lose a days work.... It happens

[@gameguy024]

I've used vinegar to clean rust out of tanks and it works well

[@zarrezarric9225]

You can use jeep grand cherokee zj plastic tank it fit's ... grate videos 👍🏻

[@rgbigdog]

I heard that vinegar is a good way to remove rust from a gas tank. New fuel tank from Advance Auto $136.99 - $164.99, Rock Auto $72.79 - $107.79 plus shipping.

[@FlightRaptor22]

Finally, some one with a good taste in knives. Nice CRKT :)

[@willardelibolt]

I've heard of draino and marbles being used to clean the inside of a gas tank.

[@allcoupedup]

I never done it, but I've heard if you use a length of chain and shake it around, it would clean it.

[@gibzzy4923]

I know its hard to post often because of how much effort you put into these videos (thank you for that btw) but I'd really love to see more of the jeep I have a 94 grand Cherokee Laredo and it has the same sputter so I'm going to check out how mine looks because I'm pretty sure it's the oringal everything! Love the vids please keep it up!

[@Psycodiver69]

My old 03 Crown Vic had the same issue, the whole inside of the tank was rusted even though the car had less than 120k miles on it at the time. I thought it was the pressure regulator because the pressure kept dropping off. I did that and still had issues so me and my brother pulled the tank to replace pump. Once we pulled the pump it was obvious what happened. Got a clean tank from the junkyard and the car ran perfect after that

[@jameshall4385]

that fuel tank was horrendous. i guess now you know to do things right the first time. nice hack on that extended 14 mm. i had to do the same thing for an e brake adjuster. i didn’t have a welder so i hammered the correct size socket into a bigger one and it worked great. i still use it.

[@Kobolobob]

You totally should have pulled in Ronald Finger for this, he's pretty adept at gas tank repairs and cleaning and loves working on them!

[@Chris-nq6cm]

I get the idea some vinegar coulda saved the tank but you are spot on that its not worth trying to save and causing more headaches but ive never tried the vinegar thing, could be a cool experiment with the old tank

[@redman715]

White distilled vinegar works great for dissolving rust

[@austynurbanski5196]

To help slow down the rust in the tank use marvel mystery oil when you fill it up

[@911delorean]

I recently have been slathering whatever exposed threads with grease and that seems to make whatever bolt or but come off a little easier, just try to get the grease under the threads of whatever is trying to be taken off. Results may vary.

[@treybarbour2146]

Penetrating oil!! Very useful on a rusty bolt/nut. Love the videos man.

[@alexstromberg7696]

Not very when you only let it be for 5 min, use heat instead

[@JF-4444]

On a gas tank? Lol

[@treybarbour2146]

J F4444 , yes on the bolts that hold the tank straps.

[@alexstromberg7696]

@@JF-4444 what is tapping out the gas.

[@cockylokie7865]

How about trying seafoam though the tank and intake. See if that assists.

[@destroy453]

Seems like 1996 was the year of the metal tanks for Chrysler. The neon was the same way. Our workaround for this is to get a plastic tank from a later year that has the better pump setup with the plastic pump ring rather than the metal tank with metal pump ring

[@jesseesparza337]

i got a 96 jeep as well but didn’t have a problem with the gas pump

[@veryrancid3128]

Can't wait for more cherokee goodness

[@tricd0444]

For future reference, muriatic acid is a cheap cleaning agent that is relatively safe to use with gas tanks. Currently in the process of cleaning out two old Harley gas tanks with this stuff. It's potent, but also is a great cleaning agent. We're cleaning these out because of some sort of a gel-like sealer being used, which seems to have become solid over a number of years. There was also a bolt, and some newspaper clippings inside the tank. No clue why. This acid seems to remove any surface rust almost instantly, but also removes any protective coating from the surface metal. After doing something like this, you'll likely want to get some sort of a rust protective sealant inside the tank. Haven't gotten that far on this project yet.

[@evo33130]

My favourite project 😍 great job kiss from France 🇫🇷 next episod pleaseeeeeee

[@opbfitness]

was waiting for this update..thanks for the vid

[@scott9752]

I really enjoy the Cherokee videos.

[@shuttlecommander]

16:18 Running thru my mind...that’s some good hooch.

[@tonyoverlander9022]

In the voice of The Rock....... And Finallyyyyy the Cherokeeeeeee HAS COME BACK to Fuzzy Dice Projects.

[@TransDerwinOverdrive]

I bought a 2006 Honda CBR600RR off of the original owner a few years back. It only had 2k miles on it and had basically sat for the better part of eight years. The guy was not mechanically inclined at all and couldn’t get it to start, even after changing the battery, oil, and adding new gas. It was a dead giveaway what was wrong when I couldn’t hear the fuel pump prime. The gas coming out looked almost the same and the fuel pump was lunched. I had the tank professionally cleaned at a radiator shop and installed a new OEM fuel pump and the bike fired right up. In hindsight, I should have just bought a new tank or at least one in better shape, since mine does have rust spots in it. I don’t neglect it like he did, but if it gets any worse I’m just gonna replace the tank.

[@TKsaucy]

I had a really hard time taking off those damn tank straps too when trying to drop the gas tank from my 77 el camino. It took alot of work but i got them off

[@whipaholictv]

My buddy’s 4.0 96 jeep is having this same problem it had stopped in the middle of the street (fuel pump went out ) and we changed it and it developed this problem also his floor pans are rusted way through to 😂still drives it but did you guys end up finding out the problem? Exactly the same problem you described

[@KJsProjects]

Can't wait for the next XJ episode.

[@volvoman23]

I had the same issue, I used 5 gallons of white vinegar, let it sit for 3 days and flipped the tank each day. Then flush it with the pressure washer and left the inside so clean.

[@RedWhiteAndBlueVideo]

Fuzzy Dice, a couple or more gallons of white vinegar would remove and neutralize the rust in the tank, you can place a chain or bolts in the tank to help knock the rust off by sloshing them around, you could then seal the tank. Many Jeeps have plastic tanks. One of these may be the way to go.

[@wingedgecko]

I had an 89 Jeep Cherokee Pioneer that would start to chug in the winter when you got above 50mph. I bought it used and it was in horrible shape. Transmission was run nearly empty by the previous owner. And the PVC valve would dump so much oil into the air cleaner that I could not run an air filter. I never thought it could of been the gas tank. Glad to know, now! lol

[@JF-4444]

I like the episodes with you and Sean working together. Where is the 240 now?

[@FuzzyDiceProjects]

Sitting at his house still, not much has been done to it in quite a while since we have been working on his Volvo. Really just needs gas tank work though, still runs and drives fine otherwise, hoping to sort that out in the Spring/Summer

[@tjus3131]

You guys are in the Hagerstown area? I can’t help but to notice some of the signage on 81/70

[@Glory_inthe_3rd77]

I can tell from the way this dude that's talking.... said something about how he's going to need that socket back when they were going to get it off of that clamp that I could not be around this dude very long, no way.

[@Jeepguy1985]

Keep up the Jeep videos

[@Aznfootball7]

Ahahahaa.... I'm... I'm sorry Rob. No refunds though.

[@enfieldguy]

AAYYY its Sean! how's the 280?

[@Aznfootball7]

Oh snap, I am remembered! The 280 is pretty stagnant right now, since the last video I've installed a steering upgrade and I'm working on getting a fuel tank! Mostly focused on my Volvo for now but the datsun will be back!

[@datsun240zee]

@@Aznfootball7 cant wait for 280z update on this channel!

[@jaysmith5084]

How do you plan on replacing the floor ? The contaminated gas tank also has contaminated fuel and filtering it might have looked clean but the quality is compromised and it has lower octane rating now so replace everything maybe check the injectors too .

[@TheBrokenLife]

I just went through something similar on my channel. You can take the bad gas, dilute it heavily with fresh, and burn it off. I agree that I don't think I'd run it the way it came out though...

[@kevinb158]

I once work on a 84 BMW 318 it had been setting up scents 91 and well I'm not going to lie the in side of the gas tank had what appeared to be molasses in it and didn't smell like molasses though it had to have been at least 2 and 1/2 inch thick at the floor of the gas and keep in mind this is a dual heights gas tank it straddles the drive shaft so I only cleaned one side it still boggles the mind that the car still runs fine now as for the lift pump that was in the tank I replaced it with a strainer and a piece of fuel hose and use the high pressure fuel pump a new one of course to suck it from the fuel tank and put it to the injectors

[@patrickhenigin4805]

I've used a long piece of light weight chain and shook the tank with a gallon of gas. Repeat as necessary. After rinsing, the chain is easy to remove.

[@ManoelMalafaia]

Another amazing video...

[@5995Oblivion]

More videos! Yay!

[@joewolfe642]

why didn't you just use a long extension (instead of rigging together a long socket).

[@davidleeroth805]

Because you have no muffler (or at least a straight pipe) the o2 sensor behind the catalytic converter gives you a wrong measurement.

[@Jerkwad152]

I've never seen a Jeep with advanced kidney failure.

[@Willisfitner]

Seems pretty counter productive to continuously cool it as you grind it to "square" it so as to not burn off heat treatment or whatever you are worried about to then just weld it together cause welding it by its very nature is heating it well past the point of any kind of treatment or anything on it remaining.

[@2712nokia]

Your videos are therapeutic!

[@TheBrokenLife]

If you want to drain a fuel tank that has a working pump in it, just remove the shrader valve at the rail, jump the relay, and pump it out at the rail. Short of the "jump the relay" part, I _just_ made a video on this topic... Plus your gas goes through the filter on the way out.

[@FuzzyDiceProjects]

True! Don't have anything that connects properly to the schrader valve connector but we could have unhooked it before or after the filter pretty easily too and just pumped it out with a jumped relay. Would probably have been straining the pump a bit but we were replacing it again anyway. If I was working alone or it was a significantly larger tank I definitely would have drained it before dropping it.

[@TheBrokenLife]

@@FuzzyDiceProjects 1/4" hose shoves right over the service port on anything I've ever tried it on. You don't need to actually "connect" it in a pressure safe type of way. Check out "how to pump bad gas out of an old Ford" if you want to see me do it! ;) I agree with your assessment of the wear on the pump and all of that... Normally I'm just pumping them out because the gas in them is getting too old (a hazard of having more cars than underwear) so not usually a risk for me.

[@FuzzyDiceProjects]

@@TheBrokenLife Noted! I'll have to keep that in mind if I find myself in a similar situation again

[@TheBrokenLife]

@@FuzzyDiceProjects Cool! Looking forward to your next vid!

[@genemiller6837]

Easiest way I've found to get that corrosion is to take a logging chain and baking soda or Ajax or comet we did it on a 90 f150 and it runs fine

[@ls6-ss413]

Had an 06 Ford van kept shutting off during driving. Turned out the liner in the gas tank was disentegrating... Spelled that wrong and I don't give a crap.. Anyway it was clogging the pick up for the fuel pump.

[@mxforever6445]

Just for the record they all use the same fuel pressure regulator. I have a 96 and ordered a replacement for like $9 on Amazon

[@micahcarey3042]

So I've heard you can put diesel fuel and some gravel into a dirty fuel tanks to clean them out. Just make sure you get all the gravel out. Then you dont have to worry about water in the fuel tank

[@TheBrokenLife]

It's a better idea to use steel shot (BBs) than gravel. Small engine guys use that trick all the time. The pro move is to do that and then bungee cord it to a tractor wheel (in the case of a small engine tank) and make a couple of laps around the yard.

[@nukedathlonman]

Motor still seems quite strong. I miss those AMC's straight-sixes.

[@Bri-tg6xr]

went to Chrysler by that year I believe...correct me if I'm wrong anybody

[@nukedathlonman]

@@Bri-tg6xr AMC was acquired by Chrysler in '87. So yes it's technically a Chrysler motor. Chrysler continued to build AMC's 4.0L straight-six up until 2006 with very few minor revisions (mostly small tweaks to the head design for emissions, etc). I still consider the late products built by Chrysler to be AMC's motors only because AMC's design stayed intact. They can be built up to a point (**not really worth the money spent for what you end up with esp when compaired to say a Chevy 350, though possibly a little more potential then say trying to build up a Chevy 305).

[@TheBrokenLife]

@@Bri-tg6xr The 4.0 is an AMC designed motor and is widely accepted by AMC purists as "family".

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

If you have the tank out of the vehicle, turn it on its side and let gravity keep the o ring in place when you install the pump assembly. Just finished doing this today on my 96 XJ.

[@carswithcus441]

THIS GUY IS THE MAN!!! I've been watching him for years! I remember when he wasn't so confident speaking, and look at him now, uploads another great video with amazing confidence in his voice! Side note, if it wasn't for him, I probably would have never started my youtube channel, now I have multiple automotive videos uploaded, that I really enjoyed making, he was a huge inspiration for me to get started, as I'm sure you'll be able to tell if you watch one or more of my videos. Keep up the amazing work , and thank you! If he doesn't mind, I'd really appreciate it if some of you guys would check out my channel, after you're done watching this video.

[@aaronhayden1780]

CarsWithCus v

[@misteretronintendo]

I wish my cherokee was that clean underneath

[@letterboxscars]

How's come you guys didn't just cut off the J bolts to make them shorter to fit a socket on them? 🤷

[@jason22talley]

Cutting makes sparks Sparks=Boom

[@perotekku]

He says in the video, would make reinstallation harder.

[@letterboxscars]

Yolo lol

[@Larry-vi3hm]

Craftsman makes a pass through ratchet set for jobs like the fuel tank straps just saying

[@GrasserGarage]

Where did you get the fuel kit from i need one for mine

[@FuzzyDiceProjects]

I just got it from Amazon, it was the best price I could find online at the time ($145 + shipping). Just search "USEP12210S" and it should come up

[@GrasserGarage]

@@FuzzyDiceProjects ok thank you so much

[@barrysauce]

You do replace all the dry rotted fuel hoses? Everything?

[@FuzzyDiceProjects]

We replace the one that came off in this video, the rest is a work in progress. It really needs all new fuel and brake lines/hoses

[@barrysauce]

@@FuzzyDiceProjects great. Sure it will be another good video.

[@zeusek-2137]

Wait, so you did before replace fuel pump and even don't try to run car in pump in bucket full of gas?

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

I'm Australian, our 1970s cars don't have fuel tanks that look that bad. our cars only rust because they had no factory rust protection.

[@ollilehtonen6764]

Ah yes, the Cheep has returned.

Good job!

[@psiiota6004]

My 89 XJ had the same issue... fuel tank was full of mud XD

[@robertmyles9124]

I hope y'all put a bottle of iso-heet in that gas when y'all put in back in the tank with all that water y'all left sitting inside it.

[@bennyggormont6125]

The blazer is louder but the Jeep sounds more pist off

[@Codethe_Road]

MORE JEEP CONTENT PLZ! :D

[@cljerjr31]

Well done

[@fila1445]

Did Rob lose a lot of weigh ?

[@Shapechanger101]

Was gonna ask the same thing.

[@FuzzyDiceProjects]

Yes! He has been working a lot on himself the last few months. Even in the time gap within this video you can see the difference.

[@Shapechanger101]

@@FuzzyDiceProjects Tell him congrats! Being a larger guy myself, I know it can be difficult to lose a bunch of weight. Good for him.

[@Hunterxmurray]

Can we appreciate how that xj was running on trash fuel and was still running

[@football245668]

You should have an entire tv show of you re building vehicles

[@Tigerfire75]

To clean a gas tank just drop a match in it. If that doesn't work then just buy a new tank.

[@bentley4l]

You couldn’t just weld the 2 sockets together without all the cutting?

[@FuzzyDiceProjects]

The stud wouldn't have fit through the 3/8" drive at the base of the socket, so the drive square had to be cut off of one of them. I should say "probably" wouldn't have fit through because I didn't have it in front of me at the time to check, but I don't think it would have

[@dano4003]

why would you buy a new gas tank when the floors are all rotten???

[@monsterq6]

Should have filled it with ball bearings and strapped it on a jacked up tire to spin for an hour.

[@maddmaxx636]

Get an ultrasonic clean and use it to clean rusty parts. I used one for clean my carb and some dirty and rusty bolts. I live in GA so we don't get bad rust