1st CineWhoop From EMAX // DJI 03 // RockSteady

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Boy was I not even in the ballpark on $$ 🤦‍♂

[@TK-fp5fp]

I don't know but $500 seem fair for that unit. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@baggszilla]

My guess is $350!!

[@BOTGRINDER]

I didnt even try to guess haha

[@slowentropy4531]

Times they are a changing haha.

[@johnkurpiewski3996]

The 03 is 299$ so 499-450$

[@doccock100]

$220 for air unit $60 for motors $100 for AIO $50 for frame $30 for building and bits Total $460 at a guess Havent seen too many O3 quads for less than $500 these days

[@SunriseWaterMedia]

21:26 I liked the smoothness of the flying -- no issues there. I didn't try punch outs, as you did, but did some fast cruising and a flip here or there. The battery life was lacking, at least on this unit that Kelly has. We got around 4 minutes while flying outdoors or more aggressively. The antenna was hard to get into the 3D mount, after the tubing started to flare out. Despite all its shortcomings, for flying around people or indoors without an action camera, it's a decent quad for sure.

[@johncarold]

Hi Nick Great video and review of the Emax Cenihawk. Well two issues with this one. First what about Analog ? What about DJI V1 googles? Anything else needs to be said. Yes it's gorgeous video, but $500 for a 3.5in whoop ? I'm out, I could never afford it. But thanks again for the video

[@pirateradioFPV]

Saw some o3 bnf cinewhoop listed for 699;- . . laughed so hard my cat thought I had lost my mind. But I told the poor thing that no, it's the manufacturers that have lost it 😂

[@NickBurnsFPV]

lol, yea obviously that price surprised me as well.

[@ChrisParayno]

its so crazy to think that 2004 but also uses an AIO board is the norm now a days, since you referenced old school quads. great stuff as always. I was wondering when emax was going to jump in the mix.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yea, I think the AIO of just fc and esc are pretty reliable. Its when we squeeze vtx and rx in they seemingly struggle to live a super long life.

[@TK-fp5fp]

I just watched the Mr.Camps video on this quad, silly guy turned it on with a finger in the way. I think he learned a valuable lesson regarding prop removal before working on it. Fortunately the damage wasn't too bad and he kinda was joking a little about it in the end. Needless to say this video contained more information and flight time. Thank you for another great video Nick.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

oh man. Our props are plastics but oh how dangerous they can be. I hope it was minor and didn't need stitches or surgically repaired.

[@bugsy742]

😅 yup we’ve all made that mistake- you’ll only ever do it once that’s for sure! 😮😅

[@amin0_acid310]

Nice looking cinewhoop, and looks like it's not bad to break loose with too. I would sooner pick this up over the iFlight Defender, Just not a fan of one off Battery designs. Price is out of my range, I guessed the exact amount as you just in the opposite direction. Thanks for the video! Cheers!

[@pandrews01]

Great video!!! excellent content. Thanks for the great review. You always give viewers a comprehensive look at the latest and newest products in FPV.

[@botchitong]

i was actually wondering why emax hasn't released a cinewhoop for quite some time.. price i would say at least $500 with the O3 unit, runcam link around $350, analog will be $250-ish, if there is any... great review..

[@hojiqabait]

Love that scimitars 👊

[@wmcewa01]

Great stuff Nick!

[@johncarold]

Hi Nick, Great video and review of the Cenihalk 03, and because it is DJI I can't afford it. Thanks again for the video and information about this quad

[@NickBurnsFPV]

hey hey, fun is fun, O3 or not :)

[@lesleylink3656]

Emax eco Kv is usually on side of the motor mount and not the Bell.

[@dondupuis4007]

Camera has no protection at all from crashes, use beginner need the extra protects, I always look forward to your videos.

[@NEC_FPV]

I wish i could figure mine out ! I have a speedybee bee35 with an 03 unit and rocksteady looks like rocktumbler ! the video shakes terrible ,turn off rocksteady and its fine agaIn .I run rocksteady on my 5' quads and love it ....what coiuld it be

[@NickBurnsFPV]

hard to say what might be the issue other than the firmware. Maybe try downgrading and then updating again.

[@SunriseWaterMedia]

To answer your question about cost, seeing that the iFlight Defender is $540, I would have guessed around that same price.

[@davidreynolds8551]

For a cinewhoop it’s got a bit of speed and agility. I’d be happy to purchase one when I’ve got the money to spare.

[@kabirgamboalwali8719]

look very smooth 🔥👍👍

[@SunriseWaterMedia]

2:40 When you said it was wired up for SBUS, is that something you can explain or is it a rabbit hole? Is that just a setting in betaflight to change, or was the wiring messed up? The reason I'm asking, is that Kelly (Ready Set Drone) had an issue with wires reversed and had to flip them in the O3 Air unit to get his controller to work.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I didn't have to change anything for the O3 to work in my senario, to mean that i didn't use the grey dji fpv radio/controller. The receiver wiring was for the pnp/plug and play version. In my case the receiver wiring was setup for sbus. Elrs needs rx and tx where sbus is a single receiver pad/port. Hopefully that helps some

[@SunriseWaterMedia]

@@NickBurnsFPV Oh ok. Thank you, Nick.

[@Mupshot]

Kv is printed on the base. Look close between the screw mounts. That tripped me up also

[@NickBurnsFPV]

ah dang, thanks for that tip, I will be sure to check that next emax quad.

[@_Brando_69]

Dang they proud of it. 500 big ones

[@NickBurnsFPV]

That $220 O3 air unit sure keeps the price up there.

[@_Brando_69]

@@NickBurnsFPV For sure, i cant wait to see what else comes down the pipeline. Would be cool to see some freestyle frames with no props in view. That footage is plenty good enough not to run a gopro

[@peteypufffpv659]

its made to have removable prop gaurds and this is my 4th video i watched with out any flight video or experiences without the guards

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Hmm I don’t see that design intent listed on emax’s website. Or any mention in the now online documentation. That would be a very unusual design intent for anything with cine in the name. Sometimes they design with repair ability in the design

[@Flyit37075]

image quality is not great compared to my Avata, I see a lot of that blur in the details you get with vibration , still not managed well I imagine, your opinion ?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

We would need to compare both on KZbin. The video processing and compression would certainly be different.

[@Caybil]

I thought 380. Never would have imagined 100 dollars more. Too rich for my blood.

[@flipfpv]

AFAIK it's "si-nuh-whoop", like "cinema", which I believe is the origin of the name mashup. But I could be wrong.

[@BrandinoTheFilipino]

how does this compare to the cinebot 30??

[@dondupuis4007]

03 unit is over I is like $225 alone, guessing your low, guessing closer to $450.00 hope i am wrong.

[@brknpropfpv3899]

I guessed $360, Aloha Nick 😎🤙🏻

[@NickBurnsFPV]

O3 units must be $250, this quad price is $489.99

[@Eagle__1]

$450 tends to be the minimum for o3 drones due to the high cost of the air unit. This one doesn't seem to fly too well. I'd probably go for the GEPRC cinelog or axisflying z25 or c35 instead.

[@JDDupuy]

Cinelog 30 flys way better than this turd!

[@matthewkaran6608]

Can you do a review on the Avant Quad Nexa 3.5 (SE) it looks really good

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have done the 3inch version here kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXetZodmbsuNirM but not the 3.5incher

[@RARenfield]

I still have spare jelly ball supports for my Blade 350QX. We're talking old...

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I recall hearing about the blade 350, but jelly ball is a new one on me.

[@RARenfield]

@@NickBurnsFPV I still fly my 350qx on occasion. It never played well with the GoPro, even though it was designed to just that. The Blade 200QX is a much better quad from that era. Neither can compete with even the Cetus X, much less my Avata.

[@slowentropy4531]

Nice video and nice quad mate. Side note please let us know the key to the reverse aging process hahahaha. Cheers

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I recorded all my videos 15 years ago. 🤣

[@slowentropy4531]

@@NickBurnsFPV hahaha always forward thinking.

[@northerntierfpv8947]

Hi Nick! Close, I would say $359.00, interesting review BTW for what you had to work with...Got to love EMAX, we were all there once!! Cheers my friend!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Well it turns out much more than I thought...$489.99

[@northerntierfpv8947]

At the most I would have guessed high 300s Wow!

[@ryswe]

​@@northerntierfpv8947 the air unit alone is $230!

[@northerntierfpv8947]

@@ryswe yeah. good point!

[@LAKEPILOTUSA]

Loved the review. Looks like nice package. I'm thinking it's about 500 bux

[@NickBurnsFPV]

you were much closer than me. :)

[@ShadowOppsRC]

If they make this analog I would by one. The dji prices are out of hand!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don't see emax currently listing analog as an option. They might change direction later, but I don't have any indicators they might launch an analog version

[@djgrooverider]

$499?how much is it then,any clues?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Today the product is showing a price of $489.99. I do have a few shops linked in the video description

[@OLBuddyMcMgee]

Yeah na I 'm good

[@duaneheadworth6275]

I know that it's not what it's supposed to be used for, but would do you think this quad would be decent for freestyle? does it have enough power to do stuff like Matty flips or trippy spins? sorry if that's a dumb question- Im new to fpv. The main reason why Im considering a cinewhoop is because I want to fly indoors as well, and it seems like they would be more durable too.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Unless indoor is like a stadium or at least gymnasium this is pretty big for that. In the case of looking for an indoor but yet HD quad I would look at something like the betafpv meteor75 pro, or mobula 7 pro. Much more inside/house friendly.

[@shakeymikesadventures6793]

It's giving me flashback nightmares of my old 250 with the gummies, only thing missing is the O ring stacks we used for standoffs.Did you tune yours? , Someone else I seen reviewing one had the shakes on throttles.480 something for it w/elrs i think.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I didn't tune it, it came with this tune. Did others need to tweak the tune due to external hd camera?

[@shakeymikesadventures6793]

@@NickBurnsFPV go see bots video,you know how much he likes dji, take it w/a grain of salt when you watch it.

[@DaxNealFPV]

Sounds pretty loud

[@QSpeedRacer]

O3 doesn't have great dynamic range. Think I'd use Vista still. 3.5" props can carry hero or hero bones no problem.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

see there, to me and likely my lack of high image sensitivity the O3 image looks better. I do appreciate the feedback.

[@QSpeedRacer]

@Nick Burns might be new firmwares. Someone said they were going to work on it. But I also have bad eyes. My DJI I don't think is as perfect as everyone swears either.

[@KcFpv..]

I wish you could get that quad for $340. Really difficult to fork over the money they're asking for these things 😭

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I am surprised at the O3 pricing...ouch.

[@botchitong]

cinebot30 and defender25 are both above $500 with O3, id be more surprised if this was lower.. hehe!

[@jlarson42]

Great review of capable and expensive Cinewhoop. Half of which is the O3 air unit. I have one in a AOS 3.5, it's really nice. And expensive. 😬 Happy flying everyone. 👍🤓

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Does the cost of an O3 stay in the back of the mind and impact how the quad is flown?

[@jlarson42]

​@@NickBurnsFPV for many it very well could. Be much more cautious flying . My AOS 3.5 I've just been cruising around in. If it were a Vista I know I'd be ripping more. Especially with that big lens. But I do see people flying the O3 au hard. Just watched "Limon-Iven Efimov" Open Racer +DJI O3 =❤️? I want to build one, I'll get over the cost for joy of flying that. Happy flying Nick. 💖🤓

[@kurtzFPV]

I guessed about $500 because of the 03.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Your guess was well better than mine :)

[@pandainvestingco]

5 hunnit

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

I think they've failed on this build..... 3.5inch cinewhoop... Would of been better sub 250. I

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Maybe they are banking on the new weight limit being 1kg? I got my letter in, did you? :)

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

@@NickBurnsFPV I’m in the UK Nick. But following with interest. I sincerely hope this is successful however I highly doubt it as I don’t believe the 250 rule or any of the rules have anything to do with safety….. But as said I hope I am wrong.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@gmivisualsjason3729 I too worry there isn't logic behind the pending regulations. Feels more like monetary influence.

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

@@NickBurnsFPV And/Or control and accountability......

[@Nspecthergadget2010]

dji $390

[@TheBadRaven]

I'm amazed that a CineWhoop flying so early in the morning so close to other housing did not generate aggressive neighbours with brooms (or shotgun). It's too big and noisy for urban garden use IMO. So basically its a 3.5" Babyhawk II HD with an O3 and cine whoop shape frame........ and over $500 with ELRS?? Far FAR too rich. I can afford the O3, but can easily live without it. I have two BH II HD's, one on FrSky, the other modded onto ELRS. I'll just design and 3D print a couple of $ cost prop guard to battery strap it onto one of them for the non-display to others proximity flying I do. Thanks for video, appreciate your efforts as always, but no thanks on the model, and to EMax, when are you going to do a decently robust 5" freestyle again, my Sport Hawk and Hawk5 are not going to live forever!!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I am on good terms with all the neighbors. If they are outside enjoying their space or doing work outside I don't fly. Sometimes they come out to watch. I have one video the neighbors came out to watch me crash a quad repeatedly into the brick chimney. You can hear them laughing in the video. Been flying 7 years in the yard no complaints. I presume as I don't impede their ability to enjoy their space they don't get bothered.

[@JDDupuy]

@@NickBurnsFPV You are the exception! So many stupid folks flying in public parks that "No Drone Flying" Signs Going Up everywhere. Never had this issue with going to a club field to fly airplanes. Folks just don't use common sense on where to fly and continue to bring negative PR on the hobby. So much has changed in my 44 years of flying. Thankful that I own 40 acres of land with a runway and plenty of impact area around.

[@TwinARMYdad82]

430

[@Rob1656]

$280.00

[@PedroTome75]

lolol maybe 650 dollars

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Not that much :)

[@ethanw6378]

$$? more like $$$, expense

[@thercmaker1524]

First

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yup

[@thercmaker1524]

@@NickBurnsFPV 😂

[@bhosterman]

Is it me or is this quad ugly? Kind of a weird take since most quads are just the bare minimum needed to perform and who cares what it looks like when you're flying it, but I don't like the look. Too long from the top view. Everything else seems fine.

[@TomHerriman]

I bought one of these things. It's trash.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Can you help us understand more about your experience? Shaky video, durability, electronic reliability, just doesn't fly normally

[@TomHerriman]

@@NickBurnsFPV Nick, I wish I could post pics here to support what I'm saying. I need to build my web site, or start posting videos... In the mean while, here you go. Out of the box issues: • The O3 video cable was sticking up out of the top of the quad where it could easily get snagged and damaged. Right in the action cam mounting area. • The O3 flight controller connection harness was also sticking out in the air, behind the VTX mount into the battery mounting area. • The O3 antenna was not in the antenna mount, perceivably for shipping. Getting it into the TPU holder was impossible. • The O3 antenna wiring was routed such that it made a sharp downward bend from the back of the VTX. It was routed under the mounting plate causing a lot of stress on the wires. • The O3 VTS and camera still had all the stickers on them. This adds insulation which retains heat and goes against the advice provided by DJI, to mount the unit directly to the carbon fiber to help dissipate the heat. • The TPU camera protector was twisted on the camera. Additionally, the design would prevent the use of ND filters. • The TPU camera mounts, marked L and R, were swapped; L was on the right side of the camera. They each have a flat side and a reinforced angle side. With the angled side facing the camera, the mounts were bent out of shape by the mounting screws. • The noise capacitor was mounted at the battery connection where it is of no use. The way that it is attached and held by heat shrink made it nearly impossible to bend and connect to the battery. • While there is a notch in the duct, it is nearly impossible to plug a USB micro cable into the flight controller. I searched the web for a suitable 90° adapter, but everything has the connector with the flat side facing the wrong way. Even if the connector was flipped, the distance between the connector and the duct is too great for a 90° adapter. I was able to disassemble the quad enough to correct the out of the box issues. Sadly, I had to cut one of the plastic retainer clips on the top of the rubber dampeners in order to correct the antenna wiring. Thankfully they provided one spare clip. I had to heat and bend a USB cable in order to connect to the flight controller. Firmware, Betaflight, Binding, Etc. • The flight controller connected to Betaflight without a problem. I saved the factory tune before doing anything else. • I calibrated the gyro on a level bench. • I was not able to talk to the receiver through Betaflight. • The wifi connection to the receiver, ELRS, was not as expected. Two different connections showed up on my laptop during the first minute of connection. Neither of these were the typical ELRS net. After much frustration, and ignorant responses from EMAX, I left the thing plugged and let it sit. After three minutes, the ELRS network popped up and I was able to login, update the firmware and set my binding phrase… • Trying to update the FC firmware was a PITA. I had to use the ImpulseRC tool. I was able to get everything updated and added or changed all of settings needed to fly. By the way, I don't know how you BNF with a controller when the PID settings are unknown. Trial and error programming your controller? There was no ARM setting in the stock PID. Other Issues • There is no OSD. I thought maybe the controller is so cheap that they didn't include it. But after researching the topic, I found that the Babyhawk II HD AIO, which is what the Cinehawk uses, does indeed have OSD. And I've seen evidence that it works on at least two KZbin posts. I've also not seen OSD data on a few other posts. Which makes me wonder. I have not yet found a solution for this problem.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@TomHerriman I certainly wouldn't claim the list is usual or unusual as I read them, it can vary from manufacturer to manufacture how they design and build. I don't often use betaflight passthrough mode to update elrs, I believe it requires being in dfu mode and then exiting dfu prior to flashing. I normally use wifi updating for elrs, by default elrs wifi doesn't turn on for 1 minute, on my pc I will turn off wifi and back on to capture the new (elrs rx) wifi network. Updating the fc can often require the driver fixer tool, this is due to the windows driver and likely security keeping the needed driver from being installed permanently or being available. That is a tool I keep around for use from time to time. I am not sure what this question is asking: "By the way, I don't know how you BNF with a controller when the PID settings are unknown. Trial and error programming your controller? " 99% of bnf quads come with custom PID, likely in the cli dump you took prior to flashing but lost during flashing.The modes or arming etc can come set to a particular switch which depending on the radio setup and the receiver may be correct or may not. This is part of the typical setup. The OSD issue is likely due to the msp/displayport no longer being setup(post betaflight flashing) to deliver osd to the video transmission. Typically it takes me about 10-20 minutes to setup a new quad for flight with some pre flight bench checks. Digital/HD fpv can take a touch more if activation and/or firmware updates are required. The traditional fpv space can be a frustrating experience and can have a steep learning curve. There is a major difference from something like the cinehawk and others on my channel than something that can be bought at best buy like a dji mavic etc. I think the fpv manufacturers also use the youtube space as a method of support as many of us that make fpv content get questions from others and in turn try to help them get their drone going. This might be part of the hobbyist roots of traditional fpv. While your experience does sound frustrating and time consuming I suspect there is a large knowledge gain that will be there for future fpv endeavors.