1v1 vs Definitive Edition "Extreme AI"

[@raulrochaotaviano]

The Ai is so extreme, that he brought a lion on the first raid

[@lordcorax6918]

It cheated by bringing a lion pet! Such a shame!

[@YeobDuk17]

The lion was so tame

[@Mattimaro]

Dat lion tho. MVP. Got the only villager kill.

[@gray-nox]

🤣

[@yusufmusyaffa2163]

LOLL🤣

[@lirikhajdari4802]

Everybody gangsta til the sheep start exploring

[@salildeshpande7]

How does the sheep 🐑 come back and tell you what it saw?

[@dogerio]

@@salildeshpande7 *Baaa*

[@puppykitten4779]

How do you know if the sheep can't speak in aoe universe?

[@kangbkg]

maeee

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

@@salildeshpande7 The sheep tell him all about it a the meating.

[@TingK199]

"Ethiopians have 38% winrate against Huns" Spirit of the Law: "Then it is an even fight."

[@melbournemeliodas215]

Halo reference!

[@mediterraneanschizo826]

King Totoo Tatoo i see halo reference, i drop a like.

[@jj1794]

All cruisers fire at will!

[@hepsbok171]

Man i'm loving all the spirit videos lately

[@Daplin1]

Best part of de?

[@sherifhesham3733]

Same!

[@kangbkg]

true

[@snowman_star]

I love how we are getting so much gameplay recently

[@TheAxelFII]

every day a new video. I'm totally okay with that

[@1un4cy]

Me vs Moderate: Losing castles to just archers.

[@koenvanseuren3249]

The AI is especially weak when rushed. If spirit would have gone for a fast castle he prob would have lost too.

[@changsifon]

Me vs Moderate : 12mins in game they are in castle age with 3 castles and an army of 48 Knights ...they got all the relics like 10 minutes before :D :D

[@NowhereMan7]

@@changsifon They got all the relics 2 minutes into the game? When doe the AI ever go for just one unit like 48 knights? Are you telling lies? Also what the computer does in the first 12 minutes of any game on any setting has nothing to do with the skill of the human its playing against. Thats too early into the game for any engagement. I dont recall the AI having 5 relics and 48 knights 12 minutes into any of my games on moderate or any other setting for that matter. Big fat liar.

[@beepboop6199]

@@NowhereMan7 fuck off

[@ANO-.-NYM]

@@NowhereMan7 do you know what exaggeration is? You just encountered it

[@ANO-.-NYM]

holyshit AI was pulling in deer with scouts

[@BaronUltimo]

Terrifying indeed

[@giorgosprokos6761]

actually very creepy

[@Omilax]

how do you do that tho?

[@Peter_Parker69]

hope aoe2 and spirit of the law explode this winter! both so underrated

[@guest7play614]

but if he explodes there will be no more videos 😭

[@Peter_Parker69]

@@guest7play614 he'll boom in castle and be fiiine

[@luke5058]

Peter Parker he will boom 4v4 goth pocket black forest style.

[@dmitryyazov1561]

How is aoe2 underrated? It's literally one of the most played rts games of all time

[@Peter_Parker69]

@@dmitryyazov1561 starcraft 2 tournaments fills up arenas all over the world, aoe2 world championship was in spirits basement with his mom serving lemonade. Lots of growth potential as a modern esport with definitive edition

[@DangerDucking]

I heard that you only need to shoot the boar once now for lure, not twice

[@letsgetsomeshoes1239]

The AI still shoots twice though. Maybe they forgot to update that behavior?

[@frikativos]

I heard that too, but when I saw the tutorials of The Art of War, I would swear they say you should shoot them twice, so maybe it is something they changed just recently.

[@renzoloco]

Viper said that in the Beta you have to shoot once, but I'm pretty sure it won't be like that when it comes out for good

[@1un4cy]

Maybe Spirit should make a comparison video about any subtle differences like this? Or just do a mythbusters video and crowdsource ideas.

[@leonardogeyer1411]

I think they should change this. It will to facilitate the lame.

[@LOTSL]

11:20 Ah, when the archer civ needs to transition to cavalry to beat the cavalry civs archers

[@Elmias]

"Hey Guys, Spirit of the La Hire"

[@Daxter250]

i think spirit of la hire sounds a bit better.

[@JeanLucPicard85]

La Hire wants to archer spam!

[@kamikazefrancais]

le sang sur l'épée de La Hire est presque sec (ง ͠ ͠° ل͜ °;)ง

[@lvlupent.7334]

It's been too long. Spirit of the La Hire's sword needs to taste some more British blood.

[@icjet1ks]

@@lvlupent.7334 Spirit of the La Hire wishes to KILL SOMETHING

[@Siegerzkranz]

I like the analytic annotations, I like to see the breakdown of your mistakes as they happen

[@BaronUltimo]

Happy little accidents

[@kopolla2499]

I really like how the housing starts flashing before you're housed. That'll help me a lot

[@mockingbird667]

13:00 Definitive Edition has a new order queueing behaviour that is similar to other modern RTS games, where queueing doesn't imply interrupting a task that's already being executed. For example, if a villager is chopping a tree and you queue a construction, he'll keep chopping to its completion AND THEN go for the construction task. This is because you are appending to a task queue and not creating a new one like in HD, where you would queue a bunch of orders and then tell your units to execute them, but you couldn't increment orders in an already existing queue. In DE, to achieve that same behaviour, you need to order them to do something and then queue other tasks... Or you can tick a box in the Options to go back to the old behaviour.

[@Kittifyy]

Instead of shift use ctrl. Vil will immediately do the other task and the rest of the queue

[@mockingbird667]

@@Kittifyy That is very cool, thanks for mentioning that!

[@Katharsis939]

Pitch for a new video: How to read the endgame statistic timeline and how to interpret these information. Especially the red/blue background are just... neat 4-coloured shapes for me. And the winner's colour fills most of the space. Yay! With definite Edition coming maybe the additional question: Are there differences?

[@srijansinha5398]

The colours denote the share of a civ in total world population of the game. Lighter colours for villagers, darker for military units. If you have a lot of villagers, your light colour will be big. If your opponent makes a lot of military and kills your vills, you will see his dark colour grow while your light color reduces.

[@MarrowChiller]

The timeline is just that, a timeline of the population of the "world". The lighter portion of each color is workers, the darker portion is military. SotL went over that in the video as well, though you would have had to extract it from context.

[@thekween9037]

I'm confused about what constitutes a "battle event"

[@srijansinha5398]

@@thekween9037 nobody knows what it means, dw

[@Anolaana]

@@thekween9037 I actually want Spirit to do a video on _that_! It's probably based on some % of population being involved or dying.

[@DCimpressions]

Im absolutely loving all these SOtL videos. Hopefully he keeps up the volume when DE comes out!

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

So, it's true. T90 is doing analysis and Spirit of the law is doing gameplay! We've switched timelines again...

[@kastanowthescorpion]

@Nonna Urbisness especially when he says that the unique unit is bad because he test it aigainst bad units...

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

@Nonna Urbisness Hahaha, well, I just said "analysis", not "complete analysis", but I agree.

[@linghanb4582]

I mean there's also viper doing civ overviews

[@kramerberbon1804]

They are far behind SOTL's quality. Why are they even doing these videos? They want to do it fast, before he does? To steal this field?That sounds ridiculous.

[@DarknessTemplar6]

8:35 *AI pushes ostrich* Spirit: scout is pushing DEER and everything ostrich: am i a joke to you?

[@DonQuijoteDeTijuana]

Huntable, non-attacking animal: [exists] Spirit: *DEER*

[@gunfighter0103]

I'm so hyped for the official release of DE!

[@robanec]

@Lehione the ban of showing it was lifted on the seventh, but the release is on the 14th of November if I remember correctly

[@FloosWorld_AoE]

@Lehione NDA was lifted on November 7, so as a Beta Tester you can stream and record the game. However, Spirit as well as other larger AoE gamers seem to have the press release with everything unlocked.

[@modderhoop2058]

I did not even know there was a new coming, i thought hd was the DE. Myself i do still play the original on from the cd, it has a nice charm to it.

[@ArtharusDominus97VN]

8:36 AI did it again! Scout luring animal!

[@maskedheroanki2554]

I don't even use keyboard to play this game. I usually play a 8 man regicide game usually on medium difficulty and have fun. You give great advice on gameplay dude. Keep it up!

[@Kevin-wx7wu]

That does sound pretty fun... except the no keyboard part

[@andreyugarov1853]

Spirit you have the absolute BEST videos on AOE2

[@timmymorris91]

Andrey Ugarov check out Hera

[@hardnrg8000]

So arrows and spears now disappear when they hit the ground? Damn, really loved their "corpses" littered everywhere... :S

[@guitar_jero]

Yeah, I know is way less sofisticated and expanded, but for me classic Conquerors will always be the best

[@odennis1999]

There are mods for it

[@hardnrg8000]

@@odennis1999 No need for mods, seems like they do leave them, atleast nowadays.

[@thegatesofsleep]

Give it another 10 years. There will be spears and corpses from the start of the match left over at the end.. (I hope lol)

[@jayvishnuvenkatesh870]

No I have those spears and corpses everywhere. Maybe in the new update they changed sthg..?

[@therizeenosaurid]

Everything about DE looks great, except I wish they got around to making unique villagers for the different building sets.

[@Kathmandoe]

This video really shows the importance of knowledge and analytics as opposed to pure APM. At first, tbh, I was a bit triggered by your 'slower' mouse movements/hotkeys, but your game knowledge really showed me that that's so much more important :). I've learned a lot from this.

[@cyberlisk9]

Everybody gangsta till the militia bring a freaking lion with them to rush your TC.

[@MrJohnboyofsj]

I definitely want to see more of these, I did lose my first game to Extreme AI. I was able to defend against a few of their knights with some defensive pikeman but they came back at me with like 40 knights at like 20 minutes. You did well restricting his resources right before he got to that point.

[@alexklotz3980]

I don't like how it just takes you to a victory screen instead of the AI complaining that his boar grunted too loudly or something.

[@dr.kalculator6698]

Lmao

[@Kevin-wx7wu]

Gotta have a serious talk with the devs

[@kherossilverlight8400]

His rival DID say that too many birds flew over his town center or something. Check 19:11

[@JudgeEomer]

The AI did grumble. It was only visible for a few seconds before victory screen but it was there. I have more objection to how soon the AI resigns, as if it were a pro-player in a competitive match who has no time to fight a losing battle. Half the satisfaction of winning is tearing through your opponents base.

[@martijn9568]

@@JudgeEomer With siege, yes. Just not when your entire army consists out of archers.

[@pellepeloton3049]

I deleted my comment cause it was based on shit. Okay. So i did not find out enough. I played against hardest bot and went rushing in at 16min bringing 3skirmishers and 4 archers and was spamming units. He had lots of troops waiting and i only defeated those trupes, luring them to close to my military base, where i had tower also. I say at this point that i did not find out enough, but the thing fooled me here is that hardest bot was much, much more harder to defeat the extreme ai, or i´m just nuts. He countered my troops so nicely, made large variety of troops. Archers, skirmishers, men at arms, one knight at one point and it even made mangonels for my masses. I went for full of his resource control and it took me little over 54 minutes to defeat him. This is why i doubted that was this the extreme ai. And i truly apologiz. Nicer this way cause i have been enjoyng your videos, so its nice to realise i was unknowing dickhead when i made the comment, and a bit drunk. But come on, the hardest ai made wopping 8 different lumber camps, and immediately switchet when i found one. Exreme let me slaughter its units and villagers and i won it easily little over 30min. It even made one across the map, with i found cause his villagers was going there. So i´m truly sorry. I appreciate that you responded to my comment, with such good manner. Keep it up, very nice videos. Fuck me in the ass, damn i should first find out more and then maybe write and sober. Have a nice day.

[@Darththorn]

I’m so keen for this game.

[@joshkauffman4208]

Spirt your so chill in your vidoes. And I really enjoy them! Keep it up!

[@MontgomeryBarncaly]

Yo, SoTL just thought I'd give you a nod for being one of my favourite tubers... haven't even played this game since the back before but i'm thinking of restoking my fire with the new shiny version. anyway you've kept the fire alive in me... 10/10 content. Be well brother.

[@periculum69]

If you queue the villagers to do something after gathering resources (or while they're gathering resources) they won't switch tasks until they're done gathering. As in, when the resource they're currently working on completely runs out, not as in when they're done with their current trip. I don't have access to DE yet, but Viper talked about it in one of his videos. He also said something about using Ctrl click to get around this, but I'm not sure exactly what he was saying that would do differently.

[@shayak3236]

Everyone gangsta until the wolves gang up on your villlager

[@KOSOVOisSERBIA222]

Obviously it was lion

[@KOSOVOisSERBIA222]

🦁

[@Bloodlyshiva]

You don't need to start worrying till they start building dens and dragging their kills back home to increase their numbers.

[@michaelmccarty1327]

Then the only gangstas left are the Magyars

[@-Raylight]

20:18 This DE new AI really likes to make *_forward lumber camp_* I wonder if this is going to be new meta? xD

[@callumjennings6336]

Arrows don't seem to stick into the ground anymore :( Any ability to change that?

[@HandsomeGamerGuy]

Mods xD

[@Aarygon]

Can't WAIT to start seeing updated overviews and comparisons for all the new and old Civ's. Love your channel, Spirit!

[@Gatitasecsii]

Man, the sheep acting as scouts is so dumb. "What did you find on the field, soldier?" "Baaaaa baaa baaa"

[@rkh9395]

You can just shoot the boar once now and they'll follow ur villager

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

Good tip

[@NiightDJ]

@jrig123 ??

[@urando3042]

I thought you could always just shoot it once. I thought the reason you shoot it twice was so the boar doesn't lose sight of your villager.

[@pumpkinpie8235]

I dont think so, tested in beta and you still need 2 hits

[@JamesTheCapybara]

@@urando3042 You... You, I like you.

[@MikeHesk742]

I think your channel will be perfect for the new content, a lot of people have questions about the new civs and I think you're best-placed to answer. Like eco questions about Cumans Feudal boom vs normal fast castle.

[@Tom4SEO]

Ton of value here. Thnkyou

[@dimitrikemitsky]

When AI was pushing deer with scouts :o Beyond science.

[@silvaries9884]

So glad they made AoE:DE2 More Spirit of the Law coming up! Keep up the job, love your content!

[@joycejulep9115]

Your live games are soooooo relaxing for me. Thanks so much for posting

[@delici0usflav0rs47]

What's changed with the villagers is that shift click takes into account the resources they've already been tasked too. So you have to click normally with buildings, then shift click the buildings, move them then shift click build and send back to resources. Otherwise they will finish the pile they are on and then follow commands.

[@LitheInLitotes]

SC2 player and It infuriates me. You lazy to villager assholes!

[@julos8500]

Your video is awesome dude, explaining your tips with text on our gameplay is very very nice !

[@alienwarex51i3]

"900 in ranked is like Extreme AI"

[@normjones8867]

Going to be interesting when machine learning comes into play just how far AI can go

[@LangeXander]

man 3 years later and the extreme AI has gotten so much better. im really glad it can give me a hard time at times

[@kvnneo]

It's amazing how the definitiv edition surprises you on so many little levels.

[@planescaped]

I actually like the look/pace of 'normal speed' and I like even more you can change it during the game.

[@briangallagher3106]

AI scout pushing the most Ostrich looking deer I’ve ever seen.

[@lordcherrymoore5252]

Yeah! Please do the 30 min challenge again! One of my favorite vids of yours.

[@Lemont321989]

Happy to say that I watch this channel without even playing the game anymore. Takes me back.

[@frankseward7017]

That was a great vid. Now do Saracens amd their new archer rush or Koreans with the cheaper wood units. Seriously those two might've gotten the best improvements in this gane as of now.

[@Cloud.Strife]

friends don't let friends pick saracens

[@boatymcboatface4120]

The AI: "Surrender, the Ethiopians have 38% winrate against Huns" Spirit of the Law: "I like those odds."

[@nicholasmelugin5859]

Loving all these videos coming out recently, keep it up friend!

[@DrMetroid1]

I think the only cosmetic issues i have are missed shots dont stay in the ground and corpses decay too fast

[@emberlite]

Damn. I've been playing Age off and on for years now (apparently wrong lol.) I honestly suck at the game and have tried so many new things, but watching how you play was insane to me. So many strategies I never thought of. Thanks for posting 😊

[@davidgustavsson4000]

I know the new queue system messes with your training, but as a casual I tell you that's a great change. So many times I've started building something, and then shift-clicked to queue up stuff for after, just to have the vill stop what he was doing to go to the new stuff. This is much more intuitive.

[@bloodykenshiro8218]

7:52 Spirit of the Law-ion haha Pretty cool that you are covering this one, Spirit, I've been wondering how it plays more than how it looks.

[@darthjump]

I watched this video some months ago and was baffled. Now i actually see room for improovement. This game is so intricate. I am only at a level where i can beat a very hard AI consistently but still get rushed in PVP. I had no idea as a kid how deep this rabbit hole goes.

[@juibumgeilheit718]

i love ai vs ai. i did that all the time in advance wars back in my day

[@LegionGT_]

You can queue action for villagers. You can shift click on a sheep while they build the houses for example. When they finish building they go straight to the sheep. You need to develop the habit. Teaching new tricks to an old dog isn't cheap. Around 13 minutes you say you can't get your vills to do what you want them to do when queueing multiple buildings. This is most probably because you are ordening them to do that while doing another action. In that moment you pick 2 vill from berries to do houses. If you do shift click on the first house they understand "finish the berries and THEN build this house". You have to simply click on the first house and then queue the rest with shift click.

[@ShiroAisu10]

What I learned from Spirit of The Law's videos: If robots ever take over, we just need to learn some archery.

[@onilisa8823]

meanwhile when i tried to do things fast than usual like spirit of the law i realised my town center got destroyed

[@kangbkg]

The scout sheep is an awesome idea!!

[@weylin6]

This game needs the spatially aware AI of Zero-K. In that game (Built off the Spring engine), units will avoid defenses and your armies until it finds a weakness that it can exploit. It flanks, it ignores low-value targets, it threads between gaps in defenses, it takes fights that it can win favorably, it even uses physical obstructions to avoid taking damage

[@rezzen2070]

you really make the best AoE2 vids thanks man :)

[@sierra4980]

Can the new AI use transport ships with villagers inside for a Pilgrims-like game?

[@Robbedem]

You can easily win against extreme AI on a pilgrims map by capturing relics and putting them in a monastry on the central island.

[@crazypills88]

I'm playing against diff AI and they don't use transport ships anymore. At least in my 20h gameplay.

[@stooge_mobile]

Your awkward build order, resource floating and housing reminds me of every game I play. Solidarity, bro.

[@JohnAmanar]

Great video! So cool that you have all game modes! I only have the Campaign and Multiplayer.

[@TaylorJohnson1020]

His scout pushing in deer made me scurred

[@xitingyang1837]

Watching SOTL's video and ready for 14th. Nov

[@spdutahraptor777]

Hahaha during the analisys, i love how he talks about the Extreme AI as if it was a casual gamer that just learnee how to play AoE "Good job kid, at least you managed to build a farm" That's badass

[@DanyF02]

5:52 Boars in Definitive Edition don't just die, they DEFINITIVELY die.

[@ondrejveres435]

"One doesn't have a significant advantage over the other"

[@yurimuniz267]

Dude I won my first game against the EXTREME AI on AOE2 DE. Than you so much for your channel I'm learning a lot!

[@yurimuniz267]

It was a 54 minutes arena game but... alright...

[@Toast_94]

I remember that the devs once said that the new AI could win against SEVEN of the AoK AI in a team. I want to test this :D EDIT: I found where it was said. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ_JfaJ-frFjesk Skip to around 9:40.

[@melbournemeliodas215]

Bruh. We need someone to make a video about it.

[@winnieelegante6901]

HD AI or definitive ed AI?

[@melbournemeliodas215]

@@winnieelegante6901 Probably not the HD one cause he said, "AoK AI." AoK is the original Age of Empire 2.

[@Toast_94]

@@winnieelegante6901 Pardon that I wasn't very specific, I mean't the DE AI.

[@Toast_94]

I tested 1 res bot against 7 AOC AI on hardest, it won by relic victory, though doing it on conquest does seem doable if not take forever. However I've also since learned that the "original AI"/AOC AI doesn't cheat like the AOK AI did. So I'm going to try recall my scripting knowledge to try to restore that cheating (it gave itself resources upon advancing ages). Then give the test a 2nd round.

[@Normandy-e8i]

Ive been casually playing AOE2 for years, and ive never realised leaving your town center idle is such a bad bad thing lmao. you just play on a whooole other extreme

[@edwardblom2661]

HeavenHammer Search for “fast castle tutorial” it’s gonna improve ur noob game immensely and make you feel like you rediscovered the game

[@petersmythe6462]

When ANYTHING is idle, you should always be considering "why do I have something doing nothing?" If you can't find a good reason, consider making it do something to grow your economy or secure map control or whatever.

[@petersmythe6462]

Even idle RESOURCES are an issue in high level play. You never see pro players with thousands of stone or something for no good reason.

[@edwardblom2661]

Btw fast castle tutorial and more is included in DE! Step up ur noob game everybody :-)

[@QualityMasters]

I don’t know if the AI brought that lion on purpose or not, but it luring the ostrich was bananas.

[@CirYdnar]

"what are doin?" they got lured towards the TC. Old tricks. Good game.

[@toddbronaugh6382]

Shift queues up tasks now so that they'll finish the task they are doing before going to the next one, so you have to stop them from doing what they are doing at the moment if you went them to immediately go to the tasks you're queuing.

[@arshiaaghaei]

You could have used the shift key to tell the vills to gather from sheep after the two houses were built. But I guess you'll need time to get used to the new features... Great video btw.

[@karhammer]

Wow, this new remake it's amazing, I'm a little confused since I stoped playing a few years ago, but i can still enjoy some good ol' aoe 2

[@digitalconsciousness]

I played the Extreme AI for the first time today and won. It honestly didn't seem that much more difficult than Hardest to be honest. 15 villagers in Dark, 15 more villagers in Feudal, create 5 Knights, deal with initial invasion, drop a *double* stone wall, drop a castle directly behind your wall, Castle Age, drop another castle at your wall, get all university techs for your walls and castle, Imperial Age, then casually build your army and invade all at once. They seem to trickle in at your wall, where your castle and army can pick them off. Don't repair the hole they created. Don't bother with a gate.

[@BeyondDM]

We need more Spirit of the Law Gameplay!! :)

[@Kevin-wx7wu]

Spirit starts cleaning house at about 12 minutes real time, not the most exciting game, but I like the showcase

[@OvidiuFloca282]

I heard that now you can queue your villager actions to be more efficient.

[@RimaNari]

6:30 Did you forget one of the most amazing findings your videos produced? That villagers drop off resources automatically when building farms?

[@ArthurDraco]

You didn't said gg to the ai. Now you're in their list again

[@jaketheslsnake]

The thing is: the HD AI was next to DE. What would happen if he wasn't the one who spawned next to the DE ai, but the CD version did? Then the HD version would of had a fighting chance, though I believe it would of still lost. But it would of been more entertaining and interesting to watch

[@El_Roy]

Hey!!! How about the AI that "throws" you a LION!!!! JAJAJAJAJAJAJA

[@thesilentnoob6658]

It's so frustrating when I struggle for months to beat the hard DE ai and guys like Daut and Sprit of the law are like, "watch me beat 3 hardest ai all at once and fuck around at the same time"

[@nostalgicdouchebag1912]

I hope we'll get the barbarian AI mod for it soon after the release, it's ridiculously strong and perfect for practice.

[@christopherg2347]

10:30 The AI really likes to spread it's Economy. While Game AI can not plan ahead, it is unparalelled with multitasking. So spreading out the Economy actually helps it keep it save.

[@christopherg2347]

19:30 I too asume booming is this AI's strenght. In your last game you saw what happens if it is not under pressure.

[@tubemankiwi]

It would actually be cool to have one video where you have a little keyboard lighting up when you use the shortcuts!

[@whydidyoutubeaddthis]

The AIs on voobly drush very often actually. Including the Promi one, and IIRC you interviewed that guy.

[@poutykeiki2574]

finally... veryone was waiting for this video... LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO!

[@Pierre-Jonqueres]

I realize, I don't hunt enough at all, at early game, and sending too many people on wood to get every building prepared for techs

[@Cscuile]

Hope to one day see an Open AI-like DOTA 2 AI but for Age of Empires. It may beat the best humans easily