2 of 5 - Shimano CUES Cassette, New Shimano LINKGLIDE Design - U6000 Cassette 11-50T Quick Check

[@oldfartmtb]

I’ve been running the link glide system on my non e bike trail bike for the last 5 months and it’s been stellar! I’ve run the system as hard as I can,shifting on the fly uphill and on flat out straights with out a single hickup. I also us the link glide 11speed chain and have been monitoring stretch and I’ve had none yet. The only thing I’ve noticed is that the coating is wearing down form use but has not affected shifting at all. I work as a tech in a bike shop and was the first to try out the new system and I have recommended it to both e-bike and non e-bike users.

[@LoveMTB]

Thanks for sharing!🤘 Without using it and I'm exciting about what it brings to the table. Which one did you use on your bike/ non e-bike?

[@johnnyrocket1320]

So is this a "drop- in compatible" with 2021 Deore 10 speed derailer ?

[@timprice944]

@johnnyrocket1320 from what i know, you need a completely new derailleur. But i could be wrong

[@LoveMTB]

@johnnyrocket1320 not 10 speed, 11s is different but still not perfect fit.

[@cyrylski]

The benefits are: 2:06 - more resistance to corrosion and wear due to nickel plating and thicker tooth base 7:59 - smoother shifting. Works with old free hubs and chains. That's all.

[@AgencyScum]

Thanks for explaining all that mate. I now understand my 7 year old mountain bike and 25 year old road bike are no longer potential junk...CHEERS!

[@LoveMTB]

No problem 👍

[@PRH123]

Other companies will fill in the space that Shimano is vacating, like Microshift, so we'll be able to get parts for our 6-7-8-9 speeds...

[@NeoMatrix14241]

Got the U4000 9 speed with 41T cassette. It's just perfect for touring/commuting. So glad cues was released before I upgrade. The durability will last me for years. My 8 speed tourney only lasts for 5000km for almost 2 years. I'll see how far the cues will take me.

[@LoveMTB]

As per Shimano 300% increase in durability as long as you change the chain regularly

[@elmersison3893]

Can i use the 41t combination with 2x crankset?

[@marnig9185]

I drive u6000-10 11-48 on a 32T on my heavy ATB! And i love it, on every Hill climb,without e-motor;)

[@LoveMTB]

Yeah eBikes are not the only application for these!

[@mikoajwieczorek1505]

Please continue making videos with Polish subtitles.

[@LoveMTB]

Will do!💯

[@zdravo4]

Well Shimano definitelly makes quality parts for the masses. I am personally using 11sp M5100 11-51 casette with 34t oval in front and for my needs it is perfect. Works fine, shifts fine and it is fairly cheap. Maybe sometimes I will go for 12sp and if I go, then I will get DT 350 hubs too, but for now I will be on 11sp. Sram has made some sci-fi drivetrains, which cost more than my whole bike. It is nice but, do I really need it and do I really have 1-2k € to spend only on my drivetrain? Well I don’t.

[@LoveMTB]

Good stuff! M5100 is perfect for what it is

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

I got 24 bikes with that stuff for rental. Best investment i've made in regards to bikes, Ever. It gives my customers the ease of use and gear range of an premium groupset. And it gives me an reasonable maintenance bill in regards to replacements parts.@@LoveMTB

[@NonLegitNation2]

just ordered the Cues U8000 derailleur and the LG400 11-45T cassette today. Hopefully the U8000 derailleur is compatible with my shimano XT 11-speed shifter, i guess I'll find out in your video about the Cues shifters and derailleurs, lol. Thanks a ton for these videos I haven't seen any other videos on Cues that go this in depth. Oh also thanks for confirming that my existing KMC chain will work, I wasn't sure about that either.

[@eXTreemator]

Hg Xt 11s won't work. Kmc chain is also not compatible with hg+ nor linkglide nor recommended for anything.

[@smuy3782]

SRAM t type shifting under load is also achieved with the cassette and how it handles the chain between cogs. The electronic shift timing just optimises it even further.

[@LoveMTB]

True and why we’re probably going a see a mechanical transmission at some point. However Shimano has the upper hand with the magic in the cassette, standard chain used, longer lasting etc

[@stanley3647]

for new Eagle, You need: - frame with UDH - Compatible hub - and ... deep pocket No, thank YOU ;)

[@LoveMTB]

@@stanley3647 same freehub as before. But yeah, pockets!!!

[@smuy3782]

@stanley3647 it's good that there are options for people like you but t type will not always be expensive (just like how xtr tech trickles down over time), almost all new frames for the past 2 years have been UDH so there's plenty of options there and every decent hub manufacturer have driver bodies available with whatever flavour you want so I don't see that as an issue either. I mainly like the clean sheet rethink SRAM did with the t type eagle which genuinely changes the game for high end drivetrains. I thought it was hype until I tried it on a friends bike, genuinely unbelievable. Shimano has the market with the entry level stuff because SX and NX are awful but XT and XTR just don't even compare to the new SRAM stuff so they have the premium market.

[@stanley3647]

@@smuy3782It is never happen in past, so why now should be different? I bought "top of the range" Sram X0 mech (carbon-titianium, light) decade ago, and upgraded with hope wheels... Now I was forced to buy "cheapo" Advent X. Because Sram give up with good quality 10spd mech, to work with 42T+ casettes. Yes old X0 work with 42T casette without any problems. But this was a limit. I no need 11 or 12 spd, no need clutch, shift under load or electonic change gears. No need new bike or wheels... Just lighweight durable mech - working with 48T casette, frame fitted with classic hanger, and HGtype hub.

[@mofosos]

I still using a 10 speed Shimano SLX with a 11-46 Sunrace cassette works pretty good with a good weight

[@LoveMTB]

Not a bad combo! Happy trails

[@johnatanbustos561]

Well if that "shifts better when pedaling" is true to the Cues, I'm gonna pair it with the EDS wireless deraileur to get that high end Sram experience for a fraction of the cost.

[@LoveMTB]

Not a bad idea. At ALL! Thanks for that☺

[@jiw71]

I have the 10sp deore linkglide drivetrain on my commencal e-bike. After about 2200km's I am impressed with the quality and smooth shifting.........seems somewhat better than my Shimano XT 11 speed e-bike. Bonus: chain wear is minimal.

[@LoveMTB]

Thanks for sharing! One thing Shimano mentions is the less stress on the chain because of the way it moves from larger to smaller cogs. So yeah thanks again!🤘

[@robertmcfadyen9156]

There was a foreword stating that the 10 speed linkglide platform reqires a specific shifter and derailleur in the notes that came with the groupset .

[@LoveMTB]

Yes different pull ration for all these components

[@markcosens1]

I measured my cues lg cassette at 4.2mm cog spacing. Not even close to any current hyperglide cassettes. ie. 10 spd 3.95mm 11spd 3.76mm. So no, you cant fit a lg cassette with your current hg mech/shifter and expect it to work.

[@LoveMTB]

Thanks for looking into it, more to come on this

[@COOLBIKEyt]

Thanks for the video. I'm going to buy 11-speed Linkglide XT version for my future E-bike, so I'm waiting for the next episodes, and real weights ;). Now I'm using full XT 8100 groupset, but I know that there is no point in install it in full-power in E-bike(only in SL version), because this very expensive cassette, and chain will soon wear out. I also wonder what this black coating will look like after some time, and how durable LG chains will be. SHIMANO CN-E8000 chain has been waiting for its chance for a year now in the drawer, and according to Shimano it will be 50% stronger than CN-HG70...will see ;)

[@LoveMTB]

Don't get your hopes up about the LG chains, they are not different than any other you might find. So go for YBN/ KMC/ Shimano, whaever 11 speed people report that last decently long on an eBike and go from there. Nickel coating looks nice, shouldn't wear out much aside from around the teeth and shift gates. Back to chains, how you clean/ lube/ maintain can be way more important than the chain itself.

[@COOLBIKEyt]

@@LoveMTB ;)

[@thedudefromla]

Great video as always. Keep up the great work.

[@LoveMTB]

You bet!💪

[@18erik]

La Professor , great video as always. Can't wait to see the next video. I am fuming right now because I've changed the cassette and rear derailleur on my wife's e bike . The previous sram nx derailleur and the sx cassette couldn't hold up even 1000km the bike was bought new last year . Scott contessa e strike 910 . I've changed now to sran NX 12 speed cassete with a GX shifter + derailleur . Wish I saw your video a month ago . Can't wait for the sram parts to wear out . Greetings from Germany keep up the great work you do for all of us watching , thanks a lot.

[@LoveMTB]

They will wear out alright :) And you're welcome, my pleasure!

[@maciasjeremyian4453]

Im running a m5100 shifter with a sunrace 11 speed casette and an 8130 rd. It's been working fine

[@PRH123]

I know its not the subject of the video, but despite the onset of 1x already many years ago.... I just can't get over the sight of someone holding a casette that's bigger than my front big chainring....

[@virkelie2]

My chain and SLX 11-speed cassette were both worn; thought about linkglide. But a review claimed the shifting is not only slower, but also not nearly as smooth as with other Shimano systems. And no amount of adjustments could make linkglide work as well as other Shimano cassettes. So I just stuck with SLX.

[@LoveMTB]

Hey there, thanks for sharing. This woul dbe different than your 11 speed but not worse. It will be slower and smoother especially when shifting to harder gears. That cannot be adjusted, cassette hold onto the chain until the shift gate comes. I giess it depends on what you're after?

[@virkelie2]

@@LoveMTB Thanks for the clarification! I guess I prefer smoother and quicker shifting - but probably if I did go with linkglide, I would not have noticed a difference. SLX, which I had before, just felt a safer choice.

[@virkelie2]

I tried to post a link to the video I was referring to; but the comment was deleted. I don't know if I could post the title of the video: "Budget Hero or Zero? Shimano Cues Uncovered"

[@robertmcfadyen9156]

@@virkelie2 I will look at these videos . SG - X is still king when quick shifting is required . Cues feels like a heavier version of IG . I have a rider testing this and after nearly a year , the wear is starting to show on their Mondraker .

[@LoveMTB]

I'll check it out

[@mytoyota80]

Still have 1x10 SLX (11 speed RD) I might stick with it since I have no issues with it. Cues are much heavier like you said.

[@LoveMTB]

Different target audience and application for these. That’s why the weight

[@edtorres6463]

Yes. I have a 10 speed and an 11 speed. They both have wide range cassettes up to 50. A 12 speed is over rated and unnecessary. But I am greatful for the 12 speed for making bikes that are not 12 speed much more affordable.

[@dosetti]

If the price is affordable, i like it a lot.

[@lewf5685]

Thanks for all the information! Great video!

[@LoveMTB]

Glad to help

[@tomekborucki1120]

Running those cassettes on aluminium freehubs /ebikes is no issue. I run such cassettes with a 1000w bafang motor.

[@elononoras1902]

Slow down. Shimano compatibility info states, that LinkGlide is only compatible with LinkGlide. That is you cant mix, for example: SL-M8000 + RD-M5100-SGS + CS-LG600-11. I hope it's just shimano being shimano and we can actually use LinkGlide CS with M5100 or M8000 components. If you have every component, that's quite an easy test ;)

[@LoveMTB]

Wish I had every component to test…definitely the 11s mixing of cassette/ old M5100 shifter and derailleur. Won’t be as simple for 10s and 9s though…

[@RC-fp1tl]

Could you compare the shifting on Shimano HG+, Linkglide, and T-Type? You always cut through the BS and it would be nice to hear a closer-to-objective opinion on the matter. A few questions I have are: Is going to 12 speed HG+ worth it over 11s linkglide for an enduro bike? Is T-type faster shifting/does linkglide shift under power just as well as T-type? Thanks!

[@Kesper_Matraggaz]

Shimano thought that their Deore line wasn’t heavy enough apparently 🥴🥴

[@LoveMTB]

🥴🥴

[@piotr1707]

I finished my 1x10 LG (based on 5130 group) today and i must say it's very nice. After setting derailleur limit and b-gap i connected cable and it's just work, without any adjustment. Shifting is gentle but efficient, little slower than 12s but who cares. I wonder how it shifts under load and what about durability. LG400-10 weights 581grams. Shifter and derailleur are made in Japan.

[@LoveMTB]

Nice setup thanks for sharing! And enjoy it🤘Would be great if you could provide feedback once you have put some miles on it

[@eddyfusely503]

Great video. I rode one of my friend’s bikes the other day which had a 7 speed SRAM drivetrain. It was enough for most trails I ride and a real lightweight as well. Where I am at, I do not think I need 12 speed drive trains yet understand that everybody is trying to cater to an as big as possible audience

[@LoveMTB]

Very cool! Still in use today wow

[@petesmitt]

@@LoveMTB A 12 speed cassette is just a 7 speed cassette with 4 lower speed cogs and 1 higher, meaning 12 speed cassettes just allow more hill climbing ability; if you are riding gentle trails, you won't need those climbing cogs, so why not save weight and cost using a 7 speed cassette.

[@GokkunGuru]

Almost a one piece cassette from Shimano? Wow. Is CUES a budget system? Where does it rank in the current range of SLX, XT, XTR, etc?

[@LoveMTB]

It is the mid price point replacing Deore 10 and 11 speed (M5100) and lower, Tourney is the only budget/ mid price one that won't be called CUES

[@dreadnought1240]

What 34T crankset will accomodate CUES linkglide system? No 34T in their lineup according to their website. Hallowtech would be better if there are other suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks.

[@LoveMTB]

I have a video about their cranks. And the use standard 11s chains so…

[@stanley3647]

Nice to see some "new" components from Shimano to 9-11 speed bikes Not everyone has modern hub (to fit 12 spd) in bike Sram not supporting widerange casettes for 10spd anymore Only bad thing is weight - large steel cogs (50T, 48T) has a lot inertia - when You suddenly stop pedalling - casette still wanna turning a while itself. For me - not, i stay with Advent 10spd alloy-steel casette, but for middle motor e-bikes - yes! P.S. Another very positive aspect - when they put this product into market - still is a chance to buy decent deraileur for 9 or 10 spd from Shimano.

[@LoveMTB]

Yeah but remember that these derailleur/ shifters have a different cable pull vs the old so they won't work nicely if mixing w older components.

[@stanley3647]

@@LoveMTB still, better option is change shifter and deraileur (£85 per set) and get "proper and realiable" set, than looking for 2nd hand parts or go for lower tier 10spd new components CUES are certified for E-bikes as well, so should be not problematic.

[@LoveMTB]

I agree, not a hug investment money wise for peace of mind.@@stanley3647

[@barneyklingenberg4078]

They already made really nice Deore 10(M4100) 11-46t and 11 speed (m5100)11-51t groups. Just the 9 speed is an nice addition. And yes it makes bikes an couple of tiers below quiet interesting.

[@LoveMTB]

@@barneyklingenberg4078 real 1x9 for entry level bikes

[@alexdi1367]

Appreciate the sprocket width measurements. Did you happen to get a read on the sprocket pitch or overall cassette width? I'm curious what's cross-compatible with the old parts (even if not approved by Shimano) beyond the chain.

[@LoveMTB]

Pitch is the same. I did provide info in cassette width even though not exact measuremenet. Check from 5:15 😉

[@alexdi1367]

​@@LoveMTB, if it's the same pitch, you should be able to use 11S Shimano non-LG shifter and derailleur combinations, right? A future video with M8000 or the like would be very interesting.

[@LoveMTB]

@alexdi1367 😊 yeah if you use the mM800 with that 11-45t cassette you’ll be golden-ish...more on the compatibility later as I play more with these parts.

[@tobznoobs]

so my 5100 casette is lighter and i can already feel the weight difference between the 9 speed and this 11 speed. sorry for being a weight winnie but it does affect you the longer your ride is or the harder the climb.

[@LoveMTB]

True but weight was not their goal for this

[@91722854]

something i don't understand is, by introducing a new standard, why bother with 3 speeds, wouldn't everyone want the most speed they can get, hence eliminating the need for cross-speed compatibility, instead of making a groupset for each speed, why not just settle with 10 speed or 11 speed and be done with it, when would the compatibility come into advantage?

[@LoveMTB]

Not if you're looking for different price points. 9 speed for cheapest entry level/ no clutch, 10s for eBikes - they don't need more and 11s for anyone else looking to pedal their bike and enjoy the longer lifespan

[@91722854]

@@LoveMTB I see, it just feels like it should have been done this way from the first they they introduced 10 speed, and to be compatible with 9 speed, so when people do want to upgrade, they could do so, i know what im saying here is, IF they could start over, however, if we do subscribe to making bikes last longer instead of the hyper consumerism culture, i would hope to see the bikes equipped with 9 speed cues and people could one day choose to upgraade to 11 speed without having to do get new for everything? However as of now they would still new to get a new derailleur and shifter, despite using the same chain across the speeds, which doesn't really make it much less wasteful, ideally, i would like to see a single shifter compatible with all 3 speeds, perhaps only a self replaceable rachet that user can swap out when upgrading from 9 to 11 speed, or some kind of locking system, and keeping the same derailleur too where the difference between each speed would be merely a cage length difference, but perhaps that's not necessary if they just allow wider limit screw travel to accommodate 9 speed on the same derailleur and readjusting to accommodate for 11 speed as per user need, while perhaps this next bit is a bit too unrealistic, but if we could just get individual larger cogs to put in, in place of spacers when using the 9 speed default cassette, and making it minimal and seamless, but this kind of tech just wouldn't get them as much money, however is what i envision cues to be, less wasteful, and truly more compatible, however as of now, cues only serves to provide the convenience of same chain, meaning if it breaks, at least user could get the same chain for all 3 speeds, meaning they would be more well stocked. Sorry if i was mumbling, hope this makes sense

[@LoveMTB]

No worries bud. We don't know what they know ☺@@91722854

[@teemu3370]

Oh cool. I figured you need new everything as always. Nice work Shimano. Too bad my 11-46 derailleur wont handle the 50t (to my knowledge).

[@LoveMTB]

But you can go for the 11-45…?

[@rowsdower1926]

I used a 11-50 cassette with a RD-M8000-SGS derailleur and a 30t crankset and it shifted just fine... I think as long as the derailleur does have the long cage (SGS) and not the middle (GS for 2x drivetrains), it should work.

[@AdrianoSilva-qg1qs]

É possível usar só o pedivela Shimano cues FC-U4000 2 Coroas com o grupo Alívio m3100 e corrente 2x9 velocidades?

[@LoveMTB]

Isso poderia funcionar, mas lembre-se de que o espaçamento entre as coroas é diferente, o CUES de 9 velocidades ainda usa a corrente de 11 velocidades.

[@pawelodz8050]

Thay could do like this years before but they are gridy and let us buy new casseetes more often. Now, when they feel the breath integrated geraboxex with engine like e1.12 pinion on their shoulder, they finally offer some progres. Is all about the money- like always

[@LoveMTB]

Might have a point. They seem to be marching on with the chain and derailleur for now, we'll see what future brings. Easier to differenciate with drivetrains like this. Ahem, I should have said "transmissions" 😇

[@andreiteodor6462]

Is the cassette compatible with the derailleur and shifter from m5100? I am interested if i could change just my cassette and still use the rest of drivetrain.

[@Tullebukk75]

No, they are not compatible. According to an article on nsmb by Andrew Major, it will work in the bike stand, but the shifting is bad when testing at the parking lot. An 11-speed Linkglide cassette has the same with as a 12-speed Hyperglide+

[@LoveMTB]

Yes it should work-ish Just expect it to feel different a bit and to shift a bit slower especially to a smaller cog, and it might not work that well at the extremes of the cassette. Shifter and derailleur are not interchangeable with any previously launched groupset parts because of the new pull ratio. More to come on this🤓

[@Tullebukk75]

​@@LoveMTBSo you have tried this combination?

[@markcosens1]

11 speed hyperglide? Not even close. That cassette has a 3.76mm cog spacing. Linkglide is about 4.2mm when I measured mine.

[@LoveMTB]

Close to my own measurememets...

[@TheMozerfok]

Would be interesting to see how older derailleur would work with these. I know Shimano says that derailleur needs to be changed as well but real world testing would be nice. I have just upgraded my bike to Alivio groupset on my bike and have not seen the CUES being released other than the 11speed so i did not give it any thoughts, until I saw that CUES is the new Alivio. My question is, can the older,Alivio and +, shifters and derailleurs work on the new cassette or should we buy the whole groupset?

[@LoveMTB]

It will not be compatible with the old components because of too many changes. So CUES would be new everything unless you’re on 11s already

[@TheMozerfok]

@@LoveMTB yeah but at what level will it not work, that is my question. I understand Shimano stating that the only working chain would be 11s HG or the Linkglide but i have seen folks running 11s HG chains on 9s cassette and derailleur on hybrid bikes before, technically those combo should not work but they do... It's a shame for people who have just upgraded to the Alivio groupset like me lol. RIP Alivio

[@LoveMTB]

Definitely not ideal. Mixing is fun but if it doesn’t work properly what’s the point?

[@TheMozerfok]

@@LoveMTB desperation lol I don't know... i get your point though. I'm gonna stock pile parts on my end. Get all spare i can get. I need to change my crank. Only cheap options i found on hollowtech2 was the cues and the grx. I am using a 46-30t and would like to keep it that way. The cues was gorgeous looking but since i just upgraded to Alivio, going for cues now would be... financially unsound lol.

[@sylvainguidi]

So far I have not seen anybody trying to just use the new cassette on existing equipment...

[@makantahi3731]

i do not know, i use old hiperglide custom cassette on old dura ace from 1995, and it works ok

[@LoveMTB]

Yeah Shimano tech was from around that time. This is new and improved worth a try for sure

[@eXaviar]

I doubt it will be compatible to my current drive train, since I am using a 12 speed shifter and derailleur. But I am thinking about switching to link glide, when I wear out or bust the derailleur

[@LoveMTB]

Not a bad plan! It' wont be compatible with any of your 12s but the chainring/ crankset

[@tonyb2760]

Wow, I am currently upgrading my last 11 speed to 12. Maybe should have had a look at this first, but too late now.

[@LoveMTB]

Next time!

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

Is CUES going to unify the low-tier road groups as well? I am asking because I would really prefer a cassette starting at 11-12-13... The durability argument (a side-effect of an e-bike oriented design, I suppose) is the most persuading for me. The minute weight differences much less.

[@LoveMTB]

I think that's the plan, when you see my next vid on the shifter/ derailleur there are some clear signs that at least the derailleurs will be used on drop bar bikes in the near future.

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

ThnX! @@LoveMTB Would you mind checking whether the 2-piece (non Hollowtech) cranks (e.g. FC-U6000-2) fit the Octalink splined bottom bracket axles? They look suspiciously similar...

[@glennmorgan8691]

Awesome review thank you!!! I would consider switching to the linkglide once I burn up my spare xt parts but only if the linkglide shifter allows shifting 2 gears at a time going down the cassette like the xt,xtr hyperglide does...Cheers!!!

[@LoveMTB]

If you get the LInkglide XT 11 speed you could! 100% compatible with the CUES parts Glenn! We'll know more about these by the time you need to replace your parts🤞

[@Chungleas]

I thought the spacing wasn't supposed to be the same for CUES (9/10/11) are you saying the cues cassettes will be backwards compatible?

[@LoveMTB]

I said cues 11 speed cassette is compatible with previous 11 11 speed chain, all cassette spacing for Linkglide is the same and fits the 11s old chains.

[@chrismiller4592]

I would be interested in testing the link glide cassette with the m8000 derailleur and shifter. I have heard that the link glide cassette is compatible with any 11 speed chain so can’t see why this wouldn’t work as m8000 has already proven to work with a 50t sprocket.

[@milarabeltran8248]

I'm currently using deore m4100 gearing with single 32 teeth crank on my giant talon, I'm considering of replacing my deore crankset with Cues 40 teeth to have a better top speed on pave roads... are there any compatability issue i might encounter?

[@LoveMTB]

No you will be ok just make sure you can fit a 40t on that frame!

[@Justin-ny6un]

I’m trying to piece together a LG drivetrain. I need i-spec EV and short cage. M8130 Shifter (i-spec EV 11s) M5130 10s Derailleur (want short cage) LG400 11-48T 10s apparently works with M5130 even though max 43T This should work?

[@LoveMTB]

SHould work fine. Definitely let us know the end result!

[@TheMilosDjuric]

Hello all! Does anyone know if the Cues 2x chainset is compatible with standard 9s chains?

[@Dimashoey]

Sorry out of topic…I’m confused with the math. I know 100% more is 2x. So when you said 3x more durable is 300% more, what about 200% more…2.5x?

[@LoveMTB]

not sure what you're asking me. Not that good at math probably??🙃

[@micklemitch1123]

Deore m5100 doesn't have aluminium carier like lg700?

[@LoveMTB]

All details in here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZOXq5uGgZaqmK8

[@polisagitara9519]

hello, 😊 question please, i have alivio groupset, can i replace just the cassette and still use the alivio rd and shifter? maybe replace the 9s chain with 11s? my 11-36t altus cassette is due for replacement but i cant buy the whole cues set yet, thanks😊😊😊

[@LoveMTB]

I would replace the entire groupset.

[@polisagitara9519]

yep, after watching lots of videos, i figured that would be the case cause of the pull ratio, thanks for the reply anyway,👍👍

[@LoveMTB]

No worries@@polisagitara9519

[@ThePSMA]

Nice, still 100 light years from Rohloff speedhub - 300k miles, not a single internal fault in 400k units produced… legendary reliability. Just saying, had my time of Shimano drivetrains

[@OjStudios]

We just had a customer with Rohloff that made load of noise on some gears, not the wear in noise but cluncking or something similar. Dunno how that went forward or what was the problem but surely anything mechanical man-made will have problems at some point.

[@ThePSMA]

@@OjStudios I agree, still hard to me to believe the zero defects... but hey, I guess there are equally impressive numbers on automotive gearboxes, so I'll give it the benefit of doubt. About noise, some Rohloff speedhub gears are noisy, I've seen several people on forums asking if that is a defect

[@prophetzarquon1922]

@@ThePSMA Zero defects doesn't mean zero failures. The torque ratings are still paltry for their price. I've ridden a failing hub shifter. No thanks.

[@Paulklampeeps]

I'm still using my M5120 rd pared it with 11-50 cassette 😂

[@twosix_00]

Now the question is... will it be compatible with the current 11-speed XT shifters? Or is the pull different?

[@vlvdy]

Different, 11 speed Cues have the same distance like the 10 or 9 speed Cues

[@LoveMTB]

Not compatible with anything but the CUES/ Linkglide components

[@neftalivaldes6768]

Antes usaba 11s, ahora uso 12s pero si cuando usaba 11s hubiera salido al mercado CUES seguramente seguiria con 11s pero con linkglide, muy buenos tus videos, gracias por tomarte el tiempo para hacerlos

[@LoveMTB]

De nada

[@SolidxSnakexDuke]

I Ride still my 26" Mtb and ride stil 3x10 speed

[@LoveMTB]

They were smooth like butter!😊

[@SolidxSnakexDuke]

@@LoveMTB is still better is running bettteer than 1x11 ore 1x12

[@mikelafferty5253]

Im almost due for a new 11 to 51 Deore 11spd cassette, these are interchangable?? Whats the xost difference?

[@LoveMTB]

You can get an idea of cost below, follow the bikecomponents links thay have both. As for compatibility, they are compatible-ish. Not exactly aples to aples, more to come on that. I would get the cassette and if not entirely happy get the shifter + derailleur after, with a few options. More to come on this.

[@Justin-ny6un]

Not sure why they don’t have i-Spec EV Shifters except for the M8130. 10 Speed ones are bar clamp and displays. Some of the other Cues stuff uses the older i-Spec standards when I was looking into it after release/announcement. Seems like a rebranding of all their old stuff with some tweaks

[@LoveMTB]

Pretty much!

[@19j-em8ob]

Hello, I'm sorry to bother but do you know if a 50 cassette can be used for the 10-speed configuration?

[@LoveMTB]

Probably but you have 11 gears on the cassette?

[@19j-em8ob]

I like the 11-50 tooth configuration in 10 speeds but I see that the new group only handles it in 11 speeds, that was my doubt. I'm choosing between this one or the deore

[@LoveMTB]

@@19j-em8ob 10 spoeed only comes with a 10-48 cassette if that's what you're asking

[@Rondel0927]

Hi sir can I use an other brand of crank set for the Shimano cues and can I use any kind of hub for Shimano cues? Thanks for the answer in advance

[@LoveMTB]

Yes and yes

[@Rondel0927]

@@LoveMTB thanks sir my hub is inspeed xr-3 can I install the cogs of Shimano cues for it? Thanks again

[@LoveMTB]

@@Rondel0927 what cassette do you have on it now?

[@Rondel0927]

@@LoveMTB Inspeed xr-3 sir

[@LoveMTB]

@@Rondel0927 that’s the hub. Assume you have a Shimano HG, that will work

[@MegaIceman82]

Hello Thanks for the video. I have a question, I'm thinking about upgrading my bike. For 2x11 system. There is a smooth quick-release hub at the back with 135mm CS-LG400 11 with 11-45 teeth, would the FC-U4010 9/10/11-speed Crank 36/22 be a good match? Thanks in advance.

[@LoveMTB]

It should work just fine just make sure you get the proper CUES derailleur

[@MegaIceman82]

@@LoveMTB Thanks for the quick response. For the rear, the CUES RD-U6020 11 would work for sure, I'm still looking at what would be good for it because I first looked at the FD-U6010-L type, but I'm not sure if it's compatible with the 36-22 drive

[@LoveMTB]

u6020 should work well with thw 11-45t and the 2x U4010 cranks. They all use the 11 speed chain

[@MegaIceman82]

@@LoveMTB ok thank you.

[@sylvainguidi]

so I may be asking the dumb question nobody asked before. If you have deore 10 speed system, can u just change to the cues cassette just having a new chain? Or should I get the shifter+derailleur on top of that?

[@LoveMTB]

I would get shifter derailleur cassette and chain if you want to stay with 10s. But I would personally go 11s eventually with the 11-45 cassette if you want a tighter range, but I bet the 11-50t will be the more popular option

[@sylvainguidi]

@@LoveMTB so I presume the cog spacing of the 10 speed cassette linkglide is not the same cog spacing than the deore 10 speed hyperglide ? (it's for upgrading a cassette for an existing 10 oldschool speed shifter/derailleur combo)

[@LoveMTB]

That’s correct it would be close, might work-ish, spacing of the new 10a is the 11s cog spacing expanded to 9 and 10s

[@RadoslawAdamStachnik]

Ideal for x-caliber with 10 11-46. I will go from 11-46 to 11-50 with smoother workloud :)

[@LoveMTB]

Not a bad idea!

[@kisilvan]

Looks really good. Quality and I like it's possible increased longevity and compatibility with existing 5100 drivetrain. Unfortunately in the UK at least it's nearly 3 times as much to buy the cassette as the 5100 at the moment so a non starter for me currently.

[@LoveMTB]

Wow that much more! Crazy! Yeah probably not worth the change.

[@45graham45]

Which makes the 3x extended life of the cues useless imo.

[@LoveMTB]

FOr now Once the price comes down to normal levels it will be interesting to see if CUES takes over the low/ mid price market?@@45graham45

[@bikdav]

Will the Link Glide cassettes work with the HG systems? If it will then I’m in.

[@LoveMTB]

Loaded question, yes and no

[@BodyKnight]

"300% more" is not 3x more, it's 4x. "100% more" is double something.

[@LoveMTB]

Shimano says 3X More Durable so for me that means 300% 300% increase in durability would have been 4x more durable? Damn nuances of math

[@7ckngBad141]

I need help guys my cassettes chipped need replacemnt, I have a 3x9 speed xt drivetrain and I checked it on the shimano website but each cues series seems to cater different riding styles. I wanted something that can withstand races or high intensity riding not just casual use but only need 9 cogs, so is it better to go for cues 11s lightwieght and just take off 2 cogs and also future proofing when i need 10 or 11speeds on other builds or are there much better options ty

[@LoveMTB]

Or get the CUES 11 speed and use it as such?? Go for 1x if you don't need that many gears?

[@7ckngBad141]

@@LoveMTB I only need the cassette though, dont want more shifts on this build and ive just recently bought a new 9s chain and also I need the 3x chainrings especially the 44t big ring bcuz almost every race here are on flat roads. Im currntly using a non series 9s 12-25 road cassette from a friend on this mtb badly need a new one I forgot to ask if my rd-m772 is compatible with the cues cassette and yes mostly every component on this bike are older series of xt like m775 brakes, m770 cranks and shifters even the frames pretty old, bikes from my dad so i dont want to change anything else on this 16yo machine, might need other suggestions if cues doesnt like the build.

[@morgtv1023]

Any chance of them changing their minds and release a 3x gs?

[@LoveMTB]

Never say never but I bet my money that 3x is officially dead

[@janeblogs324]

Why didn't you measure the teeth widths?? The 11/13t is often thicker

[@LoveMTB]

I don’t measure the teeth?

[@billymartyn5573]

My coworker is still rocking a 9 speed on his titanium, rigid bike.

[@LoveMTB]

That’s a cool setup bet my money 💰 is not an off-road bike though

[@billymartyn5573]

@@LoveMTB actually it is a mtb, we are on the east coast though and it’s mostly flowwy blues here.

[@emcon3]

I frequently break the chain on my E-MTB. Even if you replace it with the LINK GLIDE system, I predict that the chain strength will be the same as the conventional HYPER GLIDE system. Is it only the wear resistance of the cassette that has improved?

[@LoveMTB]

And the shifting that will help with the chain not breaking anymore (or as often). I think it's worth it. How many speeds drivetrain do you use now?

[@emcon3]

@@LoveMTB I'm currently using a 10 speed cassette and chain. I could have chosen an 11 speed, but I chose the 10 speed because it has a thicker chain and seems to be stronger. 　 Since it is an EMTB, weight reduction is not important. The cassette was also made of DEORE's full steel cassette in consideration of wear resistance.

[@LoveMTB]

I'm with you on that. But these CUES drivetrains ALL use the 11 speed chain. Chain thinckness is a good point, however how the cassette wears out the chain is different, with CUES having a clear advantage despite the thinner chain. Ok I guess I drank the Coolaid 😊@@emcon3

[@Toretto16]

One question. Can I Use the new Cues U4000 46-30 Crankset to pair it with my Shimano Sora drivetrain? Is it gonna work with 9 speed chain?

[@LoveMTB]

Yes it should work ok-ish the spacing between the cogs is not quite 11speed. Why the change?

[@Toretto16]

@@LoveMTB Because i currenty use Fsa Vero 46-30 Crankset on my gravel bike. This Crankset is tappered square and when pushed hard on the pedals it has flexion and causes FD chain rub. I need stiffer Crankset which won't flex a lot under the load, and Cues U4000 has H2 bottom bracket so it should be significatly stiffer. Or am I wrong?

[@LoveMTB]

Your logic is correct but there is the unknown on whether you'll like the way this fits your current drivetrain. What if you get chin rub because of the different pull ration, chainring spacing, etc?@@Toretto16

[@serhiirudenko6183]

No nickel coating for 9sp cassettes. meh. Also those huge cassettes are heavy as heck. I better keep my 2x9 drivetrain, front deraileur have weight, of course, but cassette twice lighter, lol.

[@LoveMTB]

Fair enough! But designed with eBikes in mind which none of the older drivetrains were

[@45graham45]

You said that the Cues cassette splines would rip into an alluminium freehub body, but as all but 2 of the cogs are joined on a spider wouldn't this make that less likely to happen than on the older cassettes with separate spiers & several individual cogs?

[@LoveMTB]

Not as bad as those but still. Talk to your local bike shop about aluminum freehub bodies on eBikes see what they say🤓

[@ElevatedVehicles]

will LinkGlide Cues fit HG axles?

[@LoveMTB]

Yes

[@no_Ray_bang]

so if I have deore 5120 derailleur and shifter I can just add these CUES cassettes? Or are they only useable with CUES rear mech?

[@LoveMTB]

You might be able to do that cassette spacing will be very close. Ideally you’d get the cassette shifter and derailleur, all CUES/ Linkglide

[@LoveMTB]

Oh and chain in your case since you’re on 10 speed. Cues uses an 11 sped chain

[@no_Ray_bang]

@@LoveMTB yeah that's what I figured, this mech is pretty new, not interested in replacing it, but the CUES cassettes look rugged, and they have good ranges for the kind of riding I do (loaded bike packing in Korea)

[@LoveMTB]

@@no_Ray_bang yeah when is time for a change cues makes a lot of sense. I am still to test some of these compatibilities.

[@simonm1447]

The Cues derailleurs have a different pull ratio than the Shimano standard derailleurs for non road bike use. So if you want to use such a derailleur you have to use a Cues shifter too.

[@antigravity19]

I the my biggest concern is that apparently they changed the standard pull ratio. I was debating swapping my Box Two derailleur for an XT to pair with my existing Shimano XT shifter. Frustrating because that hasn’t changed in years and don’t get what benefit Shimano thinks it provides

[@LoveMTB]

Apparently to make it all easier🙃

[@ignaciosevil1944]

Love MTB, does the 12 speed XT drivetrain perform better on MTB ebikes? When are we gonna be able to find Linkglide 11-12 SPEEDS? microspline compatibility is out there?

[@LoveMTB]

Don't think we're going to see Linkglide 12s, that's for their Race/ top tier groupsets that use HG+ Faster shifting but compromise for weight savings/ special chain etc.

[@grzegorzwieczorek3703]

I consider to mix cues 2x crankset with hg drivetrain ...did anybody try this? what about 10s chain?

[@LoveMTB]

!0s chain is too thick, won't work nicely with the cassette, ok with chainring though. Getting the 2x shifter and FD CUES also?

[@grzegorzwieczorek3703]

@@LoveMTB no - im going to use parts i have :-)

[@LoveMTB]

@@grzegorzwieczorek3703 have fun with it!

[@ignaciosevil1944]

for some reason i want to have this but i come from a 12 speed XT and a 12 speed XO eagle... Does this make sense? I like the durability aspect, especially for Ebikes with 85 Torque average., they really can rip through those chains fast. Especially if you like pedalling at low cadence on small cogs

[@LoveMTB]

For eBikes I would seriously consider this 11s, BUT with a steel freehub. Even coming from 12s SRAM/ Shimano, this is built for purpose, it would save you money and headache in the long term.

[@tsvmods406]

Are you sure that Deore 11s SL-M5100 Shifting Lever is compatible with 11s CUES Cassete? I heard that only 10s SL-M4100 Shifting Lever is compatible with 10s CUES Cassete, and 11s is not.

[@LoveMTB]

I said that you can drop the cassette in an 11s M5100 drivetrain and it will work perfectly! Otherwise the cable pull is different on all CUES so I would use derailleur/ shifter combo with these, new or old.

[@piotr1707]

Hehe, i just started to build 1x10 LG drivertrain and was looking for a hint. I took off Sram SX 12s cassette from the hub. There was a spacer on the end. I must mount it on 10s cassette ? What about 11s LG or 9s. It's confusing :)

[@LoveMTB]

If the freehub is the Road compatible one you need the 1.85mm spacer. Try to tighten the cassette and see how many turns are available with the spacer. BTW why 10s? And not 11?

[@piotr1707]

​@@LoveMTB I live on the plains and ride mostly in nearby forests or near the sea. On 12s i used 8-9 gears and it was sufficient. I also don't care about cadence so i think 11-43 cassette on 10s drivetrain should be ok. Btw: it's Deore 5130.

[@LoveMTB]

Makes sense, enjoy it!@@piotr1707

[@45graham45]

So how does the weight of that 11 speed Cues cassette compare with the old 11 speed m8000 XT 11/46 cassette?

[@45graham45]

To answer my own question, the Cues is 280g heavier than the XT. Quite a lot.

[@LoveMTB]

True but for the intended applications that weight might not matter as much. For best weight/ shift speed they have the current 12s drivetrains with all their compromises

[@lorenzopipan]

99% my new cassette, if i dont change bike before, will be the cs 700 11, 10g less then m5100, more durable and shifts better

[@LoveMTB]

Not a bad plan, but you might need the shifter and derailleur on top of that to make it work like Shimano designed it

[@BrandonMeyer1641]

The rollout of this groupset has been extremely slow and it’s kinda pissing me off

[@LoveMTB]

Shimano’s not well known these days for smooth product launches, I agree😎

[@celsoedirdesouza8195]

Meus amigos usam Cues e gostam muito! Mas eles reclamam que a corrente LG500 não dura mais que 1.300 km!

[@LoveMTB]

Obrigado por compartilhar! MAS lembre-se que a cadeia LG não é diferente das outras cadeias de 11 velocidades, não é diferente!🤘

[@MarioGoatse]

I’ll probably upgrade my 5100 cassette to this in the future. Here in Australia the 5100 is 100AUD, while this 11 speed is 140AUD. By the way, what’s the cheapest way to upgrade to a steel HG hub if I were to upgrade my cassette in the future? I’ve got a Cube Reaction Hybrid Pro with the CX Gen 4, so I should probably upgrade that in the future. I’m not a rich man, it took me ages to save for lol.

[@iMadrid11]

The cheapest way is to swap a steel HG Freehub body. If you can buy a replacement one for your rear hubs. This method avoids you from rebuilding the wheel to install new hubs.

[@MarioGoatse]

@@iMadrid11 Thanks bro. Does Shimano make a steel version? And if so do you know the model number? Or would I have to buy from another company?

[@LoveMTB]

Have to check with the HUB manufacturer, they produce the parts and would know of there's a steel version or not.

[@MarioGoatse]

@@LoveMTB Sorry, I should have stated, the hub is a Shimano hub. It’s the FH-TX505. Do Shimano make one? I found the repair part which is Y31S98020, but no websites state if it’s steel or not. I’m not sure if I have to buy third party, or if Shimano has made one.

[@LoveMTB]

Huge chance that it is steel already, what Shimano uses for their HG freehubs@@MarioGoatse

[@XCRiders]

720g then you throw in the steel hub thats heavy

[@LoveMTB]

Not quite for an eBike…

[@aaron38my]

It feels like Shimano is still falling behind Sram. In this case, Sram NX Eagle. I had a 2014 Merida Big9 HT with 20 speed SLX. Went with NX Eagle, voila, 1x12 system without replacing freehub. Even managed to shaved 500g off the total bike weight.

[@LoveMTB]

I’m sorry not following. Saying NX is better than any Shimano Linkglide?

[@nelsonsilva6842]

Of course not unless in the near future i have no option, normal cassettes are already good enough and last a long time, do not need it being heavier! About that shifting while pedalling hard, everyone knows that is just another stupid as hell marking stunt from SRAM! Another one is the step on the axle of the bike/wheel and say that the derailleur is super strong. As far i know no one rides their bikes sideways, now give a smak from front to back like a rock would give on the trail and well see in how many pieces well get in the end. Anyway, sram at its normal to rob market from shimano and shimano trying to counter it... Bike industry these...

[@LoveMTB]

Ok now think e-Bikes…🤔

[@nelsonsilva6842]

@@LoveMTB yes of I understand this for e bikes. At the same time, do they need more robust gear or just a free hub body? Also Shimano said everything would be changed to CUES, road a MTB when this only justifiable for e bikes. In the end why this when these days no one wears dawn a drivetrain fully?!?!

[@LoveMTB]

They say compatibility, bike shops requesting it

[@the_nondrive_side]

this video is evidence why 8 speed is best. suddenly i need an 11 speed chain.... just so my electric motor bike doesn't trash my cassette... nah. i'll pedal my 20 year old bike with OEM chain and cassette...

[@LoveMTB]

Happy trails!🤘

[@darrenvalenzuela347]

why does it kinda look like sram haha

[@LoveMTB]

It looks a LOT better than the lower tier SRAM stuff…

[@darrenvalenzuela347]

yup @@LoveMTB

[@kingerz]

So confusing

[@mitchellmtb7202]

Nope. Never forget about their millions of failing cranks. SRAM or die…literally

[@LoveMTB]

🤔 yeah those guys are saints!