2 Versions of an AWFUL Level | Horrible Level Design Ep. 13

I try to complete and explain why two versions of a Memory Lane level are horribly designed.
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0:00 - Intro
0:25 - Level 15 (Season 15)
9:42 - Level 17 (Season 16)
15:45 - Closing Thoughts

[@victorio2005]

Silence, my favorite show has started.

[@marisabitch5578]

Silence

[@jacobg6299]

….

[@user-wl2lu1bf4p]

Stinky the snail from PvZ 1 has arrived. I will now ….

[@Leozao_21]

Silencw

[@Geometricofficial]

Imagine if you could enable a video called "Silence" and everything would turn silent all out of sudden

[@user-ez7sm8ts8l]

Damn Parkour Zombie in Memory Line with Mirrors from Fairytale Forest, that's insane! I'm afraid they will never hire level designer!

[@Vladimir-bb5tn]

Bro. This zombie came to make revenge after the event

[@coolman6139]

Long time no see. How things been going since last met?

[@user-ez7sm8ts8l]

@@coolman6139 Oh i'm fine and FNATAS 4 Rebranded is back in development and it's going good

[@user-ez7sm8ts8l]

@@coolman6139 Oh it's going fine and FNATAS 4 rebranded is back and develpoment is going good

[@coolman6139]

Nice to know then. Pvz 1's one of my favorite games of all time. Pvz 2 china's interesting as never played it. And levels seem to be as well made as every single pvz 1 brutal mods after first pvz1 brutal mode mod lol.

[@RollingBobbyJones]

So to stop Parkour Zombie, you have to use Kazio Mario Level knowledge by exploiting a bug so the tall nut can "catch" him to prevent him from ninja jumping to your house like Naruto. Whoever made this level, give him the highest clown medal

[@goofylittlegobber]

why did you phrase that so funnily 😂

[@AAAAAAAAAAAA44]

​@goofylittlegobber exactly bro

[@Bd-qs5bn]

crazy how almost every Memory Lane baseline Gimmick doesnt matter in these levels

[@Bd-qs5bn]

Who ever made parkour zombie can go to the level design department

[@pedromartins6810]

Can't*

[@-VEGITOblue-]

​@@pedromartins6810Can*

[@emilydavidson8844]

I think he’s a really cool special if he was coded properly

[@abutisuna]

It's like that level of the wild west with a plant in a mine cart that needs to be protected but ten times worse

[@huydezus5633]

Used to love parkour zombie, now i understand why they made him 💀

[@CircusRope001]

I hated parkour zombie from the very start.

[@angvunguyen3662]

This and the burdock batter level were literally nightmare of the last season

[@angvunguyen3662]

Btw, in the levels with bean, you can dig up the plant before the mirror spawn, and there will be another plant spawn there later (despite the mirror). I actually take advantage of that to pass that level (you still must aware of killing zombie with balloon).

[@joby5838]

Ah yes, Subway Surface Parkour Zombie, my favorite zombie from 2009 hit game Plants Vs Zombies. I really appreciate level of attention PVZ2C shows by bringing such iconic zombie. Thank you Talkweb, you're the best.

[@pea-c]

I’m sad that you have to go through these brutal levels but your videos are still entertaning flag zombie and I love them.

[@flagzombie]

Thank you!

[@AAAAAAAAAAAA44]

Yeah, i would not have the patience to deal with this

[@CoralReaper707]

Horrible level design: Red Version and Horrible level design: Blue Version

[@Eljaner_xd]

I understood the pokemon reference

[@CoralReaper707]

@@Eljaner_xd :)

[@shinhikaru]

The Boom Balloon version is the type of level that it's hard but also fun. Because it's actually skill based with some RNG (or a lot, depending on how we "love" Parkour Zombies since the Balloons can kill them even if they pass the Tall-nut or by pre-planting them) which is like most Tower Defense Games. I get why they are in this series but the gimmick is actually really nice and it's not used often, no other levels utilize Boom Balloons like this and to be honest I don't mind if other PvZ 2 Mods like AltVerz, Reflourished, or Shuttle implement this. The Bamboo Spartan one however is really cancerous, even with the nerfs it's too RNG based because of Parkour Zombies while also being a skill based level. Levels that relies on RNG is already a bad design, then add your skill it's a recipe for disaster. I'm glad they made it so you don't have to do the level.

[@supermagician874]

So the parkour zombie can Is very fast Jump over TWO plants multiple times but can’t jump over the tallnut and if doesn’t avoid it will block it’s abilities And can just avoids plants also multiple times Also here’s a fun fact it can jump over the lawnmower😐 Great zombie design totally not broken at all

[@emilydavidson8844]

If he was coded properly he would be a good special

[@supermagician874]

⁠@@emilydavidson8844 it’s not about the coding it’s about the design for the zombie itself

[@ZIMOU2014]

bros said "The level design is really cheap here"

[@ravendefinitelyover188]

Always binge this Only PVZ youtuber i watch and i will watch him until the last star collapses

[@flagzombie]

I appreciate your dedication!

[@Leozao_21]

​@@flagzombie pls keep making the international plants series

[@ravendefinitelyover188]

@@flagzombie loved PVZ since i was a child and finding out there was a China version that was so different? So awesome The longer videos are awesome too like the frostbite caves video as i can watch for a while then come back later because its genuinely great content

[@Donquixote_doflamingo164]

Its china. Even the coding is made out of styrofoam and cardboard

[@friesdies]

lmao

[@Narlip_]

lmao zedong​@@friesdies

[@torchthe62nd63]

I was watching that first level wondering "What's the issue here? This actually seems like a fairly fun level where you have to use the minecarts effectively." And then the Parkour Zombie ran across the screen at 4000 Mph and it all made sense. What the fuck man

[@realleonardgibson]

Alternative title for the series: Flag zombie suffering in pvz2c

[@linguine4500]

"Hello Shadow Pea."🗿 Just the "EWW Spinnapple" to the formal greeting is funny to me

[@Kabester77]

Crazy how we don't get this type of content from pvz2 international

[@sabersanimationschannel6385]

Yeah, crazy...

[@buffete3753]

I know I keep repeating it , but thank you flag for making so many entertaining videos my friend

[@13_318]

I was kinda expecting the quiz levels from the reflourished April fools event to be here lol

[@Chef_duncey]

Imagine the devs' reaction they see all these "horrible" design levels 😂

[@anthonyrebuffo9509]

Parkour zombie should change lane only once and be able to jomp only once, still 2 tiles but only once I think it would be more fair that way

[@Nitosa]

Parkour zombie is just a roided pole vault zombie on crack and ketamine, what you just described is a pole vaulter but with the ability to change a lane.

[@Nitosa]

It's ridiculous how powercrept zombies have to be so that they have a decent fighting chance against plants who are just as game breaking.

[@DesperateDirt]

My personal rework for him is to reduce his health (he has 2000 for some reason) and make it so he cant run and loses his abilities after a jump until he eats a plant (like when he hits a tall-nut but without the stun) as if hes out of energy from all that and has to refuel, maybe with a brief animation too. Ties into the seemingly random trait of having more eatdps too.

[@octcube_]

I feel like GREAT level design could also work as a series. It could help show off some of the (admittedly uncommon) really cool levels in 2c, and you could also do it with modded levels, which could help shine a spotlight on cool mods!

[@Sleepypilled]

i could NEVER with the amount of micro management

[@Fresh_Knight]

Parkour Zombie is insane, even if he didn't switch lanes he would be strong, but he can basically do anything with it

[@Henry-kd1mu]

Bro could make a 10 hour version their normal videos and i'd watch it in one go ngl

[@Tankozilla12]

Music please, Flag Zombie has uploaded a video!

[@ShibaUnknown]

Can you do level 5 of Electrici-tea Plant of the Week? (Newspaper and Dinosaurs don't mix at all for lawnmower-less, even if the main plant is level 10)

[@caoinhnamkhanh2795]

seems like the level 15 of memory lane only suffered from shitty detection from 1 damn zombie (and bandit bc this game was playtested never)

[@shawnburke-hutchinson5901]

The easiest way they can balance the Street Parkour Zombie is giving him the health of a basic (270), or make him special 300. The main problem with him is that he’s too tanky for an evasive target, so let’s just drop that HP.

[@Ashminkata]

What emulator are you using to play the game and what app are you using to download it?

[@Nar31]

Street Parkour has to be one of my favorite-looking zombies but lord you have to be careful when using him period

[@lilrobofella9500]

Wait can you not stack the balloons like in the international version?

[@alanmatyjewicz9924]

Man i sure do hope that they won't get an idea to put parkour zombie in VS mode

[@Superking576]

Hello flag zombie can you rank every Best plant in each family mint?

[@ethanbriggs5423]

how do i get level 5 plants like faster i feel like im always stuck with level 2 plants

[@sharktheguy3265]

Now that I think about it, why did they keep the mine carts for the Boom Balloon version? They can target any zombie in the lawn while Bamboo Spartan can only target the ones directly in front of him

[@xdartz429]

the least they could do was give plant food since infinuts plant food can stop parkour screenwide (of course the shield isnt gonna last and it keeps EVERYTHING out of range in the spartan version) so the overalll effectiveness is questionable

[@user-ut4uv7qn8x]

The first level is like typical Shuttle level

[@gabrielherasterol9214]

Did anybody notice that Shadow Peashooter didn't leave a bean after dragging the zombie?

[@nedstar9087]

It is kinda sad that there are so many horrible levels in the chinese version.

[@navynew]

YAYY! horrible level design!!! absolutely love these videos❤❤

[@adrianalban7212]

I have to admit that the design of the zombie catapult in the Chinese version is really very similar to that in PVZ1, while the international PVZ2 really sucks, why is the person riding the catapult a cardio zombie?

[@sabersanimationschannel6385]

Design choice may be.

[@ShiaTheBunnyGirl]

Because we definitely needed more of the parkour zombie in pvz2 /s

[@alster546]

Man the bungee zombie and thr catapult one look really weird, like the eyes are smaller than they should be and the mouth for catapult zombie is just off

[@Sixitboy]

Yea someone needs to be fired over at Talkweb Okay 5:30 is just proof that they literally don’t play test. YOU NEED TO PLAYTEST YOUR FREAKING GAMS

[@NssIonoxOnoiMii]

wii party u (master difficulty): unfair post-shift 2(part b + bonus nights): unfair pvz2c: verrrry unfaiiir

[@Puff-Shroom]

At least it’s not gaslighting you into thinking 200 seconds is 400 seconds.

[@NssIonoxOnoiMii]

you also dont have to worry about getting screwed by rng (ie: going back over 100 spaces at the very end, the swimming minigame, the ostrich minigame, last place being boosted all the way to the end and winning, etc.).

[@JoseViktor4099]

Hey guys, I think im going into PvZ Shuttle, any advice for someone with experience?

[@GameNavaa]

tnx you

[@Gettingtoastedreal]

Im just here to say rip bamboo spartan

[@cyrix2891]

Honestly both these levels look like pretty fun micro challenges similar to the cuberry altverz stuff

[@LowQualityCarbink]

your gonna regret saying that

[@LowQualityCarbink]

you are gonna regret saying that when you actually play the level

[@jonnevitu4979]

bro why parkour zombie can change lanes while cool because subway surfers collab, its just too fucking fast for pvz, give it a higher cooldown or a hard cap of one lane change. also, hitboxes

[@LowQualityCarbink]

hitboxes are just as good as in roblox

[@GrindyVine]

It's funny to me that you complained that if the bamboo level were actually the baloon one then it would be easier. Then immediately shoved that it's still cancerous as ever

[@Thiago_Rodrigues30]

Why not just replace "don't lose any lawn mowers" with "survive without any lawn mowers"?

[@flagzombie]

Clearly too much effort.

[@KL53986]

That is very sad that Flag is suffering for out entertainment, so we dont have to.

[@yamayayutraca]

The Boom Balloon version was actually cool, I think it'd actually be fun if there were no random chickens and maybe some way to counter bandits properly but eh

[@noobie1301]

Ofc it memory lane, surprising

[@emilydavidson8844]

Parkour zombie would be such a cool special if he was coded properly

[@Coldysnapdragon]

What should i port in my pvz2 mod? 🤔

[@Bd-qs5bn]

not parkour zombie

[@ZIMOU2014]

cattail

[@Coldysnapdragon]

@@ZIMOU2014okay 🫡

[@Levster123]

Parkour Zombie Is Back Just To Make The Game So Unbalanced

[@spirelfoz1815]

Why does almost every level be painful 😖 I feel so bad for you 😢 I would rage quit

[@hungariancountryball2928]

Wow

[@Jack_AnimZ_N_EditZ69420]

This is why buffing the plants with the help of File Hacking has a Good purpose

[@ilikepurper1160]

bungee zombie heads we are so back

[@AAAAAAAAAAAA44]

As soon as bro said its a memory lane level i already knew what was boutta happen 💀💀

[@GameNavaa]

my cheking

[@NotTochilkaIncCorp.]

To be fair bamboo spartan one seems fair. parkour zombie is annoying, should have good reflex to block him. S16 is in other hand messed up.

[@Superawsomnetheifguy85fromcc]

Flag zombie is turning into the AVGN of crappy Chinese pvz levels

[@Bozzyboi]

Waiting for Overanalyzing plant Pvz2 china Version

[@TenkoSushiane]

YOOO‼️ FAV POSTED‼️‼️‼️🗣️🗣️

[@mh.bldd_8546]

slowly going crazy bcz of pvz2c 😭

[@minusterry5711]

Parkour Zombie should jump JUST ONCE.

[@Coldysnapdragon]

Sandwich :D

[@quijassajiuq900]

Honestly the first layout doesn’t even look like that bad of a gimmick besides the war crime zombie that wins the game in 5 seconds

[@Scardey_Shr00m]

We need More heroes content

[@MsSlagar]

Hey, not related to the video, but play newRFL Party. You have a family meeting there.

[@kentte8156]

Nice nice

[@lmaoimhere]

This must be that Asian difficulty one

[@giftedphotonbee5220]

If one singular zombie can make a level go from fun to frustrating, then that zombie PROBABLY isn’t balanced just saying.

[@leonardusrestu6421]

Whoever thought of these levels were trippin HARD

[@randomprotag9329]

parkour zombie is the perfect zombie for ruining otherwise fine levels. they almost had a not terrible level

[@rekardo3]

It raining here

[@valen3792]

Talweb beat PvZ1 modders in making Pole vaulter the most powerful zombie

[@brawlmaster0190]

Cause they're focused on Newspaper Zombie rather than Pole Vaulter

[@light6666]

Brother get the flamer.. the heavy flamer.. cause this is heresy

[@thatliquidthing1903]

This bungee zombie design is horrible, too! The OG Bungee had his face horribly gnarled and scrunched, with a hideous maw and an expression that says "You're SCREWED." This guy now just has his tongue hang out like a dog, and they didn't even try to give him the evil eyebrows (?) he used to have. Gotta love PvZ2's recent nostalgiabaiting while also butchering those classic characters...and you may say Modern Day was nostalgiabaiting, but at least the designs looked GOOD.

[@GameNavaa]

اسکیبیدی براتون اپلود کردم حتما بیاین ببینین❤🎉

[@Its_bloon.yt2011]

Oh yeah it feels wrong to be early

[@KraylebStudios]

What the fuck are these levels

[@thexwhats2989]

7 minute 327 veiw flag doing very good

[@huydezus5633]

This have to be the worst level design ever

[@user-rm2sn6pe7n]

Skill issue

[@gotekeeper9519]

the skill issue here is pretty clear. you just aren't performing enough satanic rituals to get the RNG in your favour /s obligatory comment about a possible overlap between PvZ modders and whoever decided Parkour Zombie was acceptable

[@PestoPitaa44]

1 minute and no views. flag fell off.