2 years after nuclear war: Who survives? | Annie Jacobsen and Lex Fridman

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Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYnKeIVugN15l9E Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Annie Jacobsen is an investigative journalist and author of "Nuclear War: A Scenario" and many other books on war, weapons, government secrecy, and national security.

[@umabeg1034]

Gaza Ads in your videos are scamming people.

[@LickVIP]

10:00 10:00 10:00 10:00 💯💯💯💯

[@moaninggimp7161]

Me that's who..I survive me and mine...tik tok generation are breakfast and in fact anything born after 2000......😂....easy pickings...😂...probably do better than now 😂😂

[@stewartburnett6471]

Pli0lp

[@piotr780]

they will be no winter - there were no after first gulf war and vulcano eruptions

[@Norm_MacLeod]

It isn't about who survives. It's about who in their right mind would want to.

[@furiousgeorge4114]

This conversation should be on Fallout 5's pipboy radio

[@notmyrealname977]

Fuck fallout. It's braindead Bethesda slop after fallout 2

[@Ziggy_ig8gd]

Was thinking of getting Fallout 4 to try. I really liked the themes and stories, but NV was a little slow action wise for me. Is it still worth it?

[@scottdevlin1491]

​@@Ziggy_ig8gd Yeah Fallout 4 is really awesome.

[@Nick-of8zo]

@@Ziggy_ig8gd Dude it's great. Fully worth it. Some tiny bugs here and there you MIGHT encounter, but they've patched most things now. It's Bethesda so...

[@ikaikatoosmoove2271]

@@Ziggy_ig8gdfallout 4 feels way faster. You can sprint in 4 and it makes all the difference. Combat feels smoother as well

[@jessmeredith4300]

Keith Richards survives.

[@dougmarkham]

And nobody notices a difference 🙄 😁

[@eddienebula6084]

😆best post of the day award 🏆

[@lesleyM84]

right?!!!🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

[@dennis3178]

Nope

[@enriqueblack666]

He’s indestructible 👍

[@jamesm3123]

What lex said about people forgetting everything after a nuclear war.I can recommend a book called a Canticle for Leibowitz. It is SF book about a small group of monks keeping knowledge safe after nuclear war. The saying people who forget history are doomed to repeat it applies to this book.

[@martinellis7156]

I read that book many years ago. It was strange and beautiful in a terrifying way, but now seems eerily prophetic. I'm going to dig out my copy and re-read it, thanks for the reminder.

[@andrewcampbell7011]

Thor’s Hammer, Earth Abides, and Anathem. All good books that wrestle with this idea to varying degrees.

[@martinellis7156]

I remember reading "Earth Abides", which was a very good read, but I'm not familiar with the other two. Thanks for the recommendation.@@andrewcampbell7011

[@blujay9191]

@@martinellis7156 .. Exactly the reply I was going to make.

[@PaulRandle-sc8qk]

People who REMEMBER history are doomed to repeat it. You get what you focus on.

[@MrChilliMan]

At this point, if Aliens came and took me away, I’d consider it a rescue mission. 🛸

[@mas7833]

Lol 😂

[@jeffreysommer3292]

@@mas7833 Yeah, and they'd carry a book called To Serve Man...

[@calinsaner]

It’s crazy to think that aliens might be the only ones to saves us from old men destroying the planet

[@ron88303]

Who's to say they would want you? Or me, for that matter.

[@tricia3114]

I’m in

[@martinmeoni8152]

This podcast was so uplifting 😂

[@remynoel4592]

😂

[@A3Kr0n]

I found it heartwarming.

[@BigNateD23]

😂😂

[@JoshuaLoney]

I was feeling down but now I'm all smiles 😊

[@StarfireReborn]

Honestly, It Just Melted All My Fears Away.

[@MarioP9511]

The human survivors will be the descendants of the people who pressed the buttons, that survived in their mega bunkers.

[@allen2634]

No one survives

[@lorihughes4258]

You got that right.

[@tomcarroll4785]

South America, most of Africa, and most of South East Asia won’t even be targeted. There won’t be any fires there and low levels of radiation. It is Europe, North America and North Asia that will be devastated.

[@v44n7]

Argentina, chile, Australia and NZ will probably survive quite easily the nuclear winter. Humanity wont be back to stone age so easily, sadly i think i nuclear war will happen. But we need to understand that doesn't matter the conflicts today, the pain, the suffering, the revenge, the power struggle, etc. It wont even be on the same scale compared to what we are going to loose if the war happens

[@Algomatartrading]

Why those specific countries?

[@robertalexander-tm2mi]

This chick must be a hit at parties

[@etfacetimehome]

"ma'am I asked if u wanted some mashed potatoes..."

[@TwoToneTonyLee]

Heyyyoo high five. ✋ bro drrrrr

[@VonHanzee]

bugman love her voice

[@mattdaemontargaryen5256]

​@@etfacetimehome"Please read my book first".

[@derrickhewett8680]

Not all knowledge is happy news; in this case it’s just a possible possibility.

[@contecrayononpaper]

My silver lining: I'm no longer worried about that approaching job interview with the manager for Chick-fil-A.

[@azmolhossain9244]

lol.

[@noahmyhre808]

Lazy

[@drchas101]

So how'd it go? Slinging chicken sandwiches already?

[@normanmacfarlane6724]

Hi Anna , I have just ordered your book from Amazon . That was a frightening talk with Lex but you still came up with a positive post script. God bless , thank you.

[@colofthedead6101]

I actually watched another video recently where a different scientist walked back the nuclear winter theory, saying they now know from volcanoes and the like that the particles cannot stay in the air long enough to cause a winter that long. But they deliberately didn't downplay their earlier claims as they want humanity to remain terrified (as we should be!) of a full nuclear exchange.

[@ryancammer]

100%. The real danger is from a disruption in ammonia production and distribution, along with phosphates, because we can’t support a population of 8 billion without multiple harvests, which isn’t possible without constant replenishment of nitrogen in the soil. It’s this 1970s doom gloom crap that prevents us from focusing on the true ramifications of a nuclear conflict, and preparing accordingly.

[@bradleydavis8714]

It’s all a theory . And it’s so annoying that ppl will not admit it. Smh

[@stevenobrien557]

Also the assumption of all of these fire storms is bullshit. This same group of scientists made some very grave predictions when Saddam Hussein set the Kuwaiti oil wells alight and had egg on their faces when they didn't happen.

[@Tharvey83]

And? No one truly knows how it will fully pan out, but even if it doesnt lead to the worst outcomes, many millions will die. The top level of how bad doesnt even matter as much since even the least outcome is utterly terrible.

[@Patriot_Eke]

Regardless of what might or might not happen, it would be wised to have a backup plan in the Southern Hemisphere. Most weapons will impact in the North.

[@t9j6c6j51]

Take a drink every time she says ‘right’.

[@heidi22209]

Im wasted.. again

[@olliesquires1105]

She has a beautiful voice

[@leaogitirana2809]

Right????

[@ogganggang4259]

“Please read my book first”

[@whiterecluse9442]

Also that 👌 I would like for her to sing Betty Davis eyes.....

[@justinmccoy7167]

Sounds like a frog that smokes. You been smokin with her? 😂

[@TheFishbulb80]

Her voice is definitely a pleasure... now if she could curb how often she says "riiight".

[@JK-pl6bh]

I lived during the era of ducking under our desks in school when we had civil defense practice. I remember as a 4th grader thinking that this is silly, this desk isn’t going to do anything. (Maybe it was a fantastical desk with properties unbeknown to me.) I’ve never even worried about nuclear war, if it happens it happens. I’ve always liked the quote from general Thomas ‘Stonewall’ Jackson when queried if he was a afraid to die: "Captain, my religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave."

[@rc234]

Guess we’re about to find out

[@TheVeritas2100]

The theory predicting nuclear winter has long since been proven wrong.

[@TheTrentReznor]

And this is at least one plausible reason for The Great Silence. Most civilizations of intelligence destroy themselves.

[@br1729]

Yes, if you check out "Great Filter" on Wikipedia, you can read more about this hypothesis.

[@BillKurn]

I heard Brian Cox say that there is overwhelming evidence that we are alone.

[@deanlawson6880]

@@BillKurn I just completely reject that theory. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just as a small example of this - If you were to look in a puddle of water in an oasis in the desert, and try and find abundant life, you wouldn't find any... Would you?? Because you aren't looking in the right place, which might be many hundreds or thousands of miles away in a forest, or grassland which would be teeming with life.. Just one small example....

[@Mirokuofnite]

Or the distances are so great that we cannot pick anything up, and any signal we send out is absolutely nothing in terms of power. By the time it gets anywhere of note its garbled static. Couple that with all the other noise of the universe its like trying to have a personal conversation at a airport in NYC with someone in London.

[@StarfireReborn]

I Think That's Plausible, And Yet So Tragic. Side Note. Trent Reznor Bought Me A Book For My 11th Birthday, In New Orleans... Because He's An Ex Uncle Something Something Something. NIN Is 🤌

[@sbh1311]

Born in 1950…the significance of the sheer magnitude I was privileged to witness, right up to and including putting on an Apple Vision Pro , which reminded me of the scene in space odyssey 2001 , where the caveman hurls the bone into the sky and it transmutes into the space age….same now?…..but then the paradox of this nuclear winter….and both my wife conclude….fuck it! we have enjoyed the ride , and if these assholes running the planet decide on this futile strategy….then mankind deserves the consequences…. Wow….is there life after death was always an interesting question to ponder…..but life after this lunacy….forget it!

[@thzzzt]

Is there nothing you love about humanity? Maybe you should zoom out a little. Most of the world is innocent.

[@StarfireReborn]

​@@thzzzt Correct. Good Hearted, Kind, Compassionate, Creative, Humorous, Determined & Completely Worth Saving In My Absolutely Humble Opinion.

[@user-hz6vm7xh8m]

No nuke war needed. We have already baked in a mass extinction. ..... *Experts Say Humanity Faces a Grim and “Ghastly Future” - State of Planet Is Much Worse Than Most People Understand* . "A loss of biodiversity and accelerating climate change in the coming decades coupled with ignorance and inaction is threatening the survival of all species, including our very own, according to the experts from institutions including Stanford University, UCLA, and Flinders University. . The researchers state that world leaders need a ‘cold shower’ regarding the state of our environment, both to plan and act to avoid a ghastly future. .uthor Professor Corey Bradshaw of Flinders University in Australia says he and his colleagues have summarized the state of the natural world in stark form to help clarify the gravity of the human predicament. . “Humanity is causing a rapid loss of biodiversity and, with it, Earth’s ability to support complex life. But the mainstream is having difficulty grasping the magnitude of this loss, despite the steady erosion of the fabric of human civilization” Professor Bradshaw says. . “In fact, the scale of the threats to the biosphere and all its lifeforms is so great that it is difficult to grasp for even well-informed experts. . “The problem is compounded by ignorance and short-term self-interest, with the pursuit of wealth and political interests stymying the action that is crucial for survival,” . scitechdaily.com/experts-say-humanity-faces-a-grim-and-ghastly-future-state-of-planet-is-much-worse-than-most-people-understand/ ........................... . *The Scientific Case for NTHE (Near-Term Human Extinction): Reviewing the Evidence* . " Direct mortal effects of climate change include heat waves, which have already caused thousands of human deaths by a combination of heat and humidity (wet-bulb temperature >35°C, such that the human body is physically unable to cool itself with perspiration). . Intermediate causes of death (between direct and indirect) involve crop failures, droughts, flooding, extreme weather, wildfires, and rising seas. . Extinction is the complete disappearance of a species from Earth. The predominant cause of extinction is loss of habitat. . medium.com/@kconne/the-scientific-case-for-near-term-human-extinction-nthe-reviewing-the-evidence-2e5b8a12da26

[@havegregory]

Makes me think of the book The Road

[@franciscopagan3255]

….and the movie The Road.💥🔥

[@lorenzolionheart1910]

Hopefully I’m at ground zero when the bombs drop, won’t even realize what happened 😅

[@ozarkrefugee]

The shock and dread of figuring out how to survive would do you in, a most miserable condition to be in before you die.

[@sivrampadhy001]

Real

[@Snakebloke]

I'd rather fight to live, than surrender to death.

[@alexrayoalv]

I bet a lot of people would take their lives from despair. Knowing that billions had been nuked and that the world you’ve known is now fuckin dead. Dark stuff.

[@RicardoMartinez-oh9sq]

The only adults in the room are at the Kremlin: The West has escalated the proxy war in Ukraine to nearly intolerable limits for Russia.

[@matthewlynch903]

Dont know about that 10 year time frame. That meteor impact was equivalent to millions of nukes going off, and they estimate that the sun was blocked for months and not years.

[@Lucmercurius]

This calculations and simulations about nuclear war are created to instill fear on people, and for good reasons. But the sun being blocked for 10 years by nucelar winter is complete fiction. The meteor impact was far greater than any nuclear war made by humans in 2024. And life survived. The idea that this would wipe humans from Earth is ridiculous. Humans survived as a hunther-gatherer species for as long as we are homo sapiens.

[@ChatGPT1111]

The global temperatures plummeted for years after the strike.

[@ChrisG9978]

Last I read it was 2 years of darkness/reduced sunlight after the meteor impact wiped out most life ~66 million years ago. Plankton and other "nano" organisms reemerged within a few months, but it took at least 30,000 years for more complex life to bounce back. 10 million years for the Earth to fully recover.

[@ChrisG9978]

Most scientists have concluded that sunlight was blocked out for at least 2 years. Plankton and other "nano" life reemerged within months of the asteroid impact, but complex life took at least 30,000 years to bounce back. Earth took 10 million years to fully recover.

[@jc4evur661]

Your assumption is made upon one nuclear bomb...if someone launched one, they wouldn't stop at just one. Include in that, the response nukes.

[@doncozz8536]

Just when the Jets get Aaron Rogers.

[@marions.120]

I thought the dem’s were getting him?

[@pingamalinga]

​@@marions.120 womp womp 🤪

[@douglasporto2564]

Hahaha hah hahaha Best comment 😂😂😂😂

[@FormerlyKnownAsAndrew]

Man, that last quote was so good.

[@angusdog22]

Loved this episode. Anne is a great guest. I could listen all day

[@4wokenn]

Great episode to kick back and watch w the fam!

[@Shiyounin]

The song Wonderwall will probably not be forgotten.

[@petegalub8545]

Maybe

[@VIRUS_88]

So soothing.

[@markadler8968]

The only people who will survive will either be the people who prepared and had some kind of shelter in a remote location well stocked with food/water or the people who are capable of the violence required to take from the ones who are prepared.

[@ryancammer]

No. It all depends on how many weapons are used, where they strike, and so on. You can’t really make great predictions. I also wouldn’t trust the doom and gloom troop either, like this lady. The problem you’re going to have is, the world runs on ammonia. No ammonia means no fertilizer. And you can’t sustain a population of 8 billion people without multiple crop harvests, which can’t exist without fertilizer. Any disruption in ammonia production or its global distribution will become problematic. This is the real culprit for mass starvation.

[@stevenobrien557]

And the people in the southern hemisphere

[@johnsenetto7935]

Marc Zuckerberg will be snug as a bug underground in Hawaii.

[@the_Kurgan]

​@johnsenetto7935 Maybe, but I'm not sure he qualifies as people

[@user-qx7vp6ol8c]

@@ryancammerwhy are you mentioning 8 billion people for !! There won’t be 8 billion people left on the planet after nuclear war. If you’ve survived the blast and fallout after a few months and you’re still alive you just need to hunker down and keep doing what you’re doing. The possibilities for scavenging would be huge empty homes and still standing supermarkets would sustain you and your small family for long enough provided you have water and lots of tinned goods. I think your main concern would be other humans and anarchy.

[@michaelstephani1973]

Gee, I hope I can still use my pool.

[@autoclearanceuk7191]

Tough first date.

[@heidi22209]

At least lex finally went on one. Bout time. Attaboy

[@IvanPirishanchin]

"using modern calculate systems" ... It will be very interesting to see such system, how it is modeled to predict the temperature drop in nuclear winter scenario? Asking this question as a beginner data scientist.

[@davegaetano7118]

Except the climate models don't even predict climate, so how can they predict nuclear winter?

[@mikehuntsmells4309]

Lollll you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?

[@ramrod9556]

They can't get the weather right two days out but they know what will happen? A climate scientist is a person too useless to bet an actual job in any industry.

[@force_majeure4070]

@@mikehuntsmells4309You should probably research the success and accuracy of climate models before you accuse someone of being "dull". NONE of the models have been able to reliably predict anything because they're incomplete and based on flawed data and assumptions. There are plenty of datasets and charts that show the predictions from various models over the past 30-40 years vs the ACTUAL observations and measurements, and they're not even close.

[@pingamalinga]

Because ice core samples provide thorough evidence of what happens to the Earth's climate when the atmosphere is inundated with heavy ash.

[@pingamalinga]

@@force_majeure4070 Many have been accurate when accounting for a rise in the burning of fossil fuels. Depends which models you're referencing and which variables they use.

[@the_one_eyed_man_is_cursed]

When Jacobsen states "12k years ago hunter-gatherers came together to build Gobekli Tepi" her credibility drops to zero. The immense unheeding mindlessness. Then we realize Annie is bending reality to fit her imagination, rather than the opposite.

[@robbieclark7828]

Elaborate?

[@BayhouseLoans]

Wealthy preppers have underground bunkers already set up to survive for years after such an event. They inherit the earth and eventually restart society above ground once it’s viable to do so. All of the present knowledge is saved in these bunkers as well.

[@richardtibbetts574]

😂😂and what are they going to pay the security forces they’ve hired to protect them with?😂😂 If you were an ex Navy Seal and hired on to protect a billionaire and his/her family, what are you going to accept as payment? Most of these elites are unbearable assholes. Are you willing to put up with their crap for a LOOOOOONG TIME, underground, and in close quarters?

[@IronskullGM]

Do you know why the US government stop building shelters for the Public? Because they knew it wasn't realistic to survive underground for more than a few months and the top soil would be so irradiated it would take tens of thousands of years to recover to grow crops for human consumption, or would require massive genetic mutations to allow us to live with massive radiation. Where humans would look like the Morlocks in the old Movie "Time Machine".

[@dylanbaker5766]

Right there is a reason the navy puts you through a shitload of psych evaluations to be on a submarine. People tend to go nutty in enclosed spaces. All those weapons and auditory hallucinations won't mix well. There is going to be a lot of wild shit in those bunkers. Some part of me hopes there's a heaven where I get to watch rich people who needed psych meds to get through their commute in the Range Rover transported with all that cash into a bunker they can't leave with no Amazon Prime. I hope it never happens but the guys who think they're prepping are delusional.

[@armannstraughter3296]

Hm.

[@BayhouseLoans]

@@IronskullGM you’re assuming 100% of all the land in the world would be unusable, and that none of the underground bunkers are located in areas minimally affected by the nukes. Also the technology at the time the government was building bunkers has dramatically changed.

[@tyronewalker5764]

Haven't seem that book in years!

[@danielmarks5133]

There is a highly likely chance a bunch of people in Nepal don’t even notice.

[@deonwalker6270]

They'll notice when there's no sun for 10 years and they're starving.

[@markguntly7827]

They'll notice the missiles flying overhead

[@jirik2435]

Nepal is on the nuclear target list of the US.

[@bobdillon1138]

@@deonwalker6270 You been watching too many movies.

[@jirik2435]

@@jeffreysommer3292 That is the way of Americans. They do lots of things that makes no sense in order to demonstrate their hegemony.

[@sturost3769]

…we gotta get Friedman a change of clothes.

[@marions.120]

At least a tie!

[@deanlawson6880]

I visualize Lex's closet being a perfectly arranged hanging row of about a dozen black suits and white shirts. All immaculate, and in a perfectly straight and even row... Pretty sure that's not all that far from the truth. imho anyway.

[@GODSNFTS]

We will give him a new look 🥸✅

[@rmk7120]

Doesn’t matter what he is wearing, Its actually better that we can assume what he is going to wear, so we can concentrate on what he has to say.

[@k9teamzagrebskolazapse149]

😂😂😂

[@vicnighthorse]

Paul Ehrlich has never been right. That was a really bad choice for a co-author. I would have thought Carl Sagan would have been way too smart for that mistake.

[@ThePeachtree69]

Sagan also messed up on Venus and it’s supposed greenhouse effect. Rho x g x h

[@TheSperbonzo]

Yeah, when I saw David's name, it really reduced my faith in the theories regarding the entire scenario

[@alexrayoalv]

@@ThePeachtree69wut? Please elaborate. Venus does have an extreme greenhouse effect.

[@alexrayoalv]

@@TheSperbonzowho is David?

[@DevinSanRoman]

This is my favorite episode to date. What a brilliant mind she is.

[@marklevandoski6538]

Is that photo of the wishing tree true? Are we to think it is still standing (only 20’) still? The tree in the photo around the 9:20 mark.

[@HotdogRust]

Right….? Right? …..right? ….right?….

[@thomaskidd1400]

Could this already have happened before already????!!???

[@Dangerousoldman]

Yes.

[@iShowUnusualBehavior]

Ever since i was a kid my mom always believed it has,as she would say; “nothing new under the sun”

[@hypergraphic]

I doubt it.

[@hlriiiviiiv]

@@iShowUnusualBehaviorthat is a quote from the Bible.

[@thatdawghouse]

She said 1000, 1500 weapons.. there are over 10,000 multiple megaton warheads between Russia & the States. She's thinking were only going to detonate 1500.. 😂

[@markcreemore4915]

There are a few misleading points being made here. You cannot compare the ash and soot frim a nuclear war to that of, say the end of the Cretaceous event. The latter ejected many orders of magnitude more ash and soot than the former ever could. Its just not comparable. That much smaller level of soot and ash, which would be much lower in the atmosphere than the ejecta from a meteor or comet impact, will not travel easily into the Southern Hemisphere. In vast areas of that reguon, and lijely almost all if it, you would barely be able to tell that a nuclear war had occurred apart from the collapse of the economy. Therefore, human knowledge and civilization, though badly damaged, would continue uninterrupted. Thousands of libraries and hundreds of universities and colleges exist in the Southern Hemisphere that would be untouched.

[@hlriiiviiiv]

Untouched infrastructure bereft of humanity which is too busy starving to read.

[@markwillies7666]

I live in Cape Town so that's good news.

[@veryimportantpooches2619]

Facts! I've read this too. Much of the nuclear winter modelling is based on the nuclear stocks of the 1960s to the 1980s assuming most warheads are used i.e. many tens of thousands. Further, only two nuclear weapons have been used on population centers - Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Most buildings in those cities were constructed from wood. They were basically vast tinder boxes. Most modern European, American, Middle Eastern and Far East cities are constructed from concrete and metal. You are spot on about the dynamics of the expanse of the ash in the atmosphere. Much less will reach the stratosphere, therefore, it will not stay around for years. There are other theories that posit that, because many modern weapons are a lower yield than in the past, considering the remaining stocks that not all of them will be used, and the fact that less matter will be in the atmosphere, depending on the scale of the nuclear exchange, civilisation will fully recover within 3-10 years.

[@sayno2lolzisback]

This is my first time properly watching Lex Fridman content and I am honestly astounded he became as successful as he has.

[@rocinante4609]

Research has shown that Australia and NZ would be relatively unaffected since most of the nuclear fallout would occur in the northern hemisphere and these two island nations with relatively small populations will likely have enough food and water for their people. In the previous clip she said that 5B people will die meaning 3B people will survive so thats not exactly civilisational collapse. There will be enough ppl left to continue human civilisation.

[@121monkey216]

Yea but do we really want Australia to be the savior of humanity 😂

[@MarioP9511]

@@121monkey216 Are you sure? I can see Russia/North Korea razing USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea. The safest places will be South America and South of the African continent. Maybe China would stay neutral.

[@grahamfisher5436]

1st. Where can we see this research . Please 2nd. Australia has "facilities" that make them a target too Once the hydrogen bombs were tested It was realised that should they be used That's it... Life on Earth is gone.

[@7th.trumpet]

No nation will be unaffected by nuclear war 😂. Even if some large parts of Africa don't get hit, they solely rely on foreign aid now to survive, so they'd starve/die from illness the minute Europe, America and most of Asia has be destroyed Aanyway 🤷🏼‍♂️.

[@timmy-wj2hc]

"After us, Silence." 💪💪💪

[@chrisloomis1730]

I can't wait for her stand up tour

[@brendanh8193]

Genuine question here. Didn't Australia in 2019 have vast amounts of soot? How long did it stay in the atmosphere?

[@staffnsnake]

Nothing like that discussed here. Australia has had bushfires larger than 2019 but without the level of news coverage of 2019, when it was attributed to climate change.

[@timidterror]

"Who survives?" Should consider " Who wants to survive?"

[@meyers6975]

I would, why not, I mean I live way on the southern hemisphere

[@freshcut3398]

There is no want associated with it. This is life. It finds a way. You will either die when it happens or you will survive

[@angusdog22]

Me

[@angusdog22]

Me, I'd be looking for Mad Maxx

[@user-hz6vm7xh8m]

No nuke war needed. We have already baked in a mass extinction. ..... *Experts Say Humanity Faces a Grim and “Ghastly Future” - State of Planet Is Much Worse Than Most People Understand* . "A loss of biodiversity and accelerating climate change in the coming decades coupled with ignorance and inaction is threatening the survival of all species, including our very own, according to the experts from institutions including Stanford University, UCLA, and Flinders University. . The researchers state that world leaders need a ‘cold shower’ regarding the state of our environment, both to plan and act to avoid a ghastly future. .uthor Professor Corey Bradshaw of Flinders University in Australia says he and his colleagues have summarized the state of the natural world in stark form to help clarify the gravity of the human predicament. . “Humanity is causing a rapid loss of biodiversity and, with it, Earth’s ability to support complex life. But the mainstream is having difficulty grasping the magnitude of this loss, despite the steady erosion of the fabric of human civilization” Professor Bradshaw says. . “In fact, the scale of the threats to the biosphere and all its lifeforms is so great that it is difficult to grasp for even well-informed experts. . “The problem is compounded by ignorance and short-term self-interest, with the pursuit of wealth and political interests stymying the action that is crucial for survival,” . scitechdaily.com/experts-say-humanity-faces-a-grim-and-ghastly-future-state-of-planet-is-much-worse-than-most-people-understand/ ........................... . *The Scientific Case for NTHE (Near-Term Human Extinction): Reviewing the Evidence* . " Direct mortal effects of climate change include heat waves, which have already caused thousands of human deaths by a combination of heat and humidity (wet-bulb temperature >35°C, such that the human body is physically unable to cool itself with perspiration). . Intermediate causes of death (between direct and indirect) involve crop failures, droughts, flooding, extreme weather, wildfires, and rising seas. . Extinction is the complete disappearance of a species from Earth. The predominant cause of extinction is loss of habitat. . medium.com/@kconne/the-scientific-case-for-near-term-human-extinction-nthe-reviewing-the-evidence-2e5b8a12da26

[@lavenderlilacproductions]

8:34 read A Canticle For Leibowitz

[@Pteromandias]

Glad I’m not the only one who thought of that.

[@jeffreysommer3292]

@@Pteromandias Me, too! Also, read The Rediscovery of Man by Cordwainer Smith!

[@dougpage2730]

Ditto! 👍

[@jebwaldoharrilal]

Chilling

[@ChrisvonChamier]

OK, that final line she said blew my mind

[@calebcase80]

Next they're be complaining about global cooling in the news everyday 🙄

[@williamduck1998]

They did that in the late 70s.

[@noahbrooks8939]

Great input, guy

[@pingamalinga]

Whos they?

[@ChatGPT1111]

Kinda like they did in the 70's 😂😂😂

[@valdivia1234567]

There was already an article about how a small nuclear conflict could "fix" global warming.

[@Stucknthe80z]

Toons nuclear winter theory has been highly controversial he takes fudges the numbers to get the outcome he wants.

[@StarfireReborn]

Like All The Other Models. You Have To Input The Information You Expect To See And Watch It Progress. If You Put Your Will In, Your Will Be Done, Yes? Amen.

[@stevenobrien557]

I think not so much controversial as proven false. This guy now claiming that things would be worse is just bullshit.

[@josephnott2956]

Ill guess will find out very soon

[@jgibbs6159]

Göbekli Tepe isn't the oldest settlement found, but it sure has some of the best stone work and craftsmanship by far. Going along with Annie's theme that mankind has been nearly wiped out before and rebuilt from there, is a place called Ohalo II - which is 23,000 years old - while nowhere near as sophisticated as Göbekli Tepe (12,000 years old), Karahan Tepe (11,400 years), Boncuklu Tarla (12,000 years), or other sites, it does show that humans are very adaptable and can survive just about anything - even near extinction. If you really want to see how far back they have found hunter/gatherer sites, check out the 476,000 year old structure at Kalambo Falls, in Zambia.

[@alansnyder8448]

I'm skeptical of these claims. I don't think she takes into account that the southern hemisphere will be largely untouched by even an all-out nuclear war where everyone launches everything. Argentina, Brazil, New Zealand, and Australia, and the countries in the southern part of Africa. Likely Indonesia and many ASEAN nations would be on the fringe of the climate effects and could restart agriculture sooner than in the north. So to answer the question, how many people could the farms in these regions support. I think that would answer the question. Civilization would not disappear, and think it would start to rebuild from the countries in the southern hemisphere. It would be a rather interesting but grim simulation to do.

[@Jaibee27]

China becomes the dominant superpower

[@ThisIsJustADrillBit]

I think there are bases in those regions so the discussion of an all out nuclear exchange would likely include regions near the places youve listed too as the retaliatory strikes as every nuclear power attacks the other.

[@baronvonhoughton]

ASEAN

[@ramrod9556]

You assume that the nuclear forces will only fire on each other. In the end game scenario those countries will have policies that if we are not going to survive this, then why should any other country go untouched. Even under developed nations would likely see their major cities bombed. With about 14,000 nukes in the world there will be plenty to go around.

[@thzzzt]

I don't think radioactive atmospheric soot would respect those boundaries.

[@George.Coleman]

**Earth's only remaining inhabitant** Chuck Norris: "Peace, at last"

[@dontthrowrocksatmonkeys8651]

The system of the earth is so complex we can’t even reliably predict the weather, nobody knows what 2 years after nuclear war would be, but my guess is it would be worse than anything we could predict or imagine.

[@karlchristie1856]

I’m currently reading Neil Price’s Children of Ash and Elm. It’s a history of the Vikings. He posited that the mini ice age that began in 536 and all the social upheaval it caused forged the Viking society and religion. Who knows what would happen to us?

[@juandeldiablo696]

I don’t understand why anyone would want to survive nuclear ☢️ war

[@bobanmilisavljevic7857]

Beats not surviving

[@Oakdieu]

​@@bobanmilisavljevic7857 To play golf off an aircraft carrier and to drive round in a sports car with my dog avoiding zombies.

[@donatelloDoesmachines13]

i dont even want to survive modern life, as it is.

[@crewmax4240]

Because there's more to life than a good cell signal.

[@carollasley6610]

I don't understand how weak people like yourself would want to die just because you can't live the soft life you have now.

[@patrickk6331]

You can learn all this from one simple film called Threads

[@andrewweber2010]

I'm glad someone mentioned Threads. Remember when the baby is born at the end? That sums it all up.

[@patrickk6331]

@@andrewweber2010 truly the scariest film ever made.

[@AwakenedAvocado]

That is my favorite movie ever

[@AwakenedAvocado]

​@@patrickk6331it's not that bad really they seemed to be enjoying themself after the nuclear annihilation

[@Orakzai_Afghan]

Where can i watch that movie ???

[@janspan100]

Thank you. Danke.

[@CrazyStraightWhiteBoomerDude]

A profoundly brutal yet honest conversation. Thank you and Bravo, Lex. Well done indeed.

[@drunkenduncan7285]

Keith Richard's will survive

[@user-nk6hb5yp1h]

she moonlights at hallmark😀

[@strikeforcealpha9343]

I highly reccomend the book, The Rats.

[@primesurplus4645]

The reality is we forget about stuff like this is possible and it’s hard to hear

[@scottstrand1874]

Do we suspend reality because it is so terrible we cannot remain sane unless we lie to ourselves 😢?

[@grahamfisher5436]

​@@scottstrand1874 Do you mean as in.. Ignorance is bliss And to think about it.. down that way madness lies

[@canadianpirateanders9951]

Haven’t we already detonated over 2000 nukes on earth? Obviously not over 72 minutes…. But we are already living on a planet that’s survived thousands of nuclear explosions.

[@bobharris5093]

you must be your parents crown jewel pride

[@rat_king2801]

just on remote testing ranges, underground and in the ocean. its the huge fires burning in cities and surrounding woodlands that will create the tonnes of ash that will block the sun and wipe out all life.

[@jte5829]

Nukes detonated in uninhabited areas spaced out over decades isnt what shes talking about. Shes talking about thousands of nukes hitting every major city within an hour.

[@johnostro7153]

Take it easy on him. He's from Canada

[@arbusthurmapoly6049]

Im not trying to be mean. Did you watch the video? She literally states that a contributing factor to nuclear winter is the burning cities and land, basically like standing next to a trash fire but the whole world. Do you think in our nuclear tests weve burned entire cities and continents? If you heard all that and you still dont get it you should be the bigger man and stop having opinions bc ur ability to absorb information is limited at best.

[@microaggressor1113]

I am so scared now. I think I will buy her book and watch Lex more.

[@anttiruo]

Wow, she pronounced "Ö" extremely well! 5:33

[@mortywaggers5194]

sheesh. she on a roll, name-dropping. glad this could come to light

[@jimmiphaze5785]

Sorry to hear that

[@mediaman34]

This is total theory .

[@jamesdelaney3797]

Theory? We're all dead

[@SootyGrouse]

It’s total theory….so far.

[@bradleydavis8714]

Glad you said it. It’s a money grab for the book. Smh

[@this_time_imperfect]

Thank you for clarifying that I thought she was describing a historical event that actually happened an was documented.

[@mediaman34]

@@jamesdelaney3797 I’m very much alive.

[@jketheridge]

The description of the bombs stopping after 72 min is inaccurate given that the subs launch 3-days after they lose contact. Not that this steps away from the thrust of her assertions.

[@jjvanwyk7037]

I left school end 1967 and I wrote an essay about Nuclear Winter. It was already spoken about then?

[@derekwhite8844]

Yes people would survive in humanity would return, hopefully without social media😂

[@CommanderSmiley]

Yes no more narcissistic tiktok dancing

[@this_time_imperfect]

Only Snap Chat survives...

[@myhat99]

Look at Hiroshima, I know that the bombs were smaller but the city is now thriving.

[@jamespsyfer]

Heard today that the people.. even now 2024 … 80 odd years later , some are still experiencing radiological effects … inter generational mutations? Cancer rates ? Also the buildings that I have seen in photos, look fairly flattened. The bombs today are 1000 times more powerful than 1945. I believe there is stigma against hibukusha … women who are pariahs in terms of marriage inter generationally? Because they have “ blood of the devil” .. that is to say their offspring have a real possibility of being born horribly deformed

[@jamespsyfer]

People in Hiroshima.. hikabusha etc still suffer radiological damage apparently. Modern atomic bomb equivalent are 1000 times more powerful at high estimates and 10 times at lower estimates. At lower estimates.. ONE BOMB would kill 1 million immediately and two million more possibly dying within 72 hours…so 3 million. At least in theory launch on warning systems triggered ALL BOMBS from various countries would be triggered. Deaths would be in the order of billions most likely… then you have to factor in mutations/ climate etc. Even if the climate wasn’t as damaged as estimates, it still would I’ve a great life experience

[@hopsie9983]

That was the first ever one, now there are thousands. If several are dropped in the same country, its game over, no recovery for centuries.

[@samwestfahl3959]

Those bombs were atomic, not nuclear. Much differant.

[@AV-cx7ob]

You can’t be serious drawing a parallel conclusion…?

[@renemek1835]

Love her voice

[@targaflorio3239]

Fascinating yet frightening beyond belief. May we save us from our ourselves.

[@fmj_556]

Oh come on. It’s not that bad.

[@121monkey216]

Yes it is, look it up

[@Max_Chooch]

If all the written texts were destroyed tomorrow, in 2000 years our science books would be the same but all of our religious texts would be different.

[@armannstraughter3296]

Hm.

[@johnostro7153]

Hopefully our science books would be better just based on what people remember that's not written down

[@This-time-more-than-ever]

Lol. I hear hell is hot 🔥 Good.luck science boy.

[@kandoundou23]

@@This-time-more-than-everwhere do you hear that from? Religious texts. 😂

[@Bereal365]

Except the Quran which is memorized by over 400,000,000

[@kody8102010]

Pulled up KZbin looking for mindless happiness, left crying and depressed listening to this ray of sunshine.

[@siblis20]

What a topic to talk about, I'm glad I'm on the short list now at my age of living. Good luck living if you make it

[@markcreemore4915]

If 5 billion die, that means 3 billion survive. That means most of the Southern Hemisphere survives. 3 billion is the global population of the year 1960.

[@johnostro7153]

Correct, we get to reboot to 1960's population with the technical knowledge of 2024. HUGE win

[@hardquestions01]

Bill Gates would like to hear that. Only 3 billion remain

[@jirik2435]

How will the Southern Hemisphere survive without civilisation?

[@stevenobrien557]

​@@jirik2435you realise civilian existed the southern hemisphere thousands of years ago?

[@jasonkloos6348]

​@@jirik2435what? You think everyone south of the equator lives in caves and jungles or something?

[@willjohnson8740]

Who could possibly believe this? Nuclear war doesnt wipe out everything humans have done, there would be plenty of things that would help survivors get back to where we are incredibly quickly. People adapt and figure out a way forward.

[@jasona5806]

As far as I know there are no nukes pointed at South America or Africa

[@JohnyX333x]

Are you serious dude? What do you mean who can believe this? If all nuclear war broke out it doesn't matter where you try to run the sun will be blocked by smoke. No food. No way to grow food. Water will be poisoned by radiation. It will literally be the end of the world

[@jasonkloos6348]

​@@jasona5806if there are American military bases there, there absolutely are.

[@nadinefillari7809]

I just heard this podcast wow. How devastating I am floored Godspeed All

[@MrFree006]

A Hollywood movie should be made about this topic.

[@jbateham]

Nuclear winter could be great for global warming though, right?

[@johnmuellner8188]

Good point. What level of atmospheric CO2 would it take to covert nuclear winter to springtime? Remember increased CO2 increases plant growth.

[@broadwaydebut1]

The meek shall inherit the earth

[@brettmiddleton5013]

Somehow the coward always survives to reap the benefits of the brave

[@gregg9725]

The only thing Meek inherited was Diddy’s D.

[@martinmeoni8152]

2112

[@elmerkilred159]

Because, nobody else will want it.

[@dansmaaslet6623]

Meek fallow the strong lead so who inherits what?

[@angelabrigden181]

Have you watched "when the wind blows'

[@PrVox34]

God help us all! We need a miracle at this point

[@kwg5044]

Read me a bedtime story

[@markegan8784]

I wouldn’t even care what the bedtime story was about 😂

[@mikehanson9497]

Nuclear Winter was discredited almost in its entirety. Liked the episode otherwise.

[@markclemmens2862]

For real. Not accurate at all.

[@delocon]

Yeah, the mistake is thinking the fires will burn for days, but that's based on an idea that we don't have flame retardant materials. Most modern buildings are made of flame retardant materials, brike, stone, mortar, granite, concrete. These arn't wood buildings. It's a good myth to scare people about nuclear war though.

[@WMAlbers1]

Discredited by whom?

[@jte5829]

​@@deloconok so what about forests, cars, gas stations, furniture, wooden buildings, and all the flamabile shit in your house? Keep in mind it will all be blown to shit and fire retardent materials are mixed in with everything else. With no firefighting being done and no electricity to run spinkler systems or water pumps

[@RumoredAtmos]

​@jte5829 not real man those things aren't real lol

[@_kopcsi_]

two "mismatches" make our current time extremely unstable and dangerous: 1, our civilisation both locally (complex systems depending on each other) and globally (nations depending on each other) has become highly synergised in its structure meaning that our currently known life can disappear much quickly than most of us think. in other words, our modern (more precisely: postmodern), globalised world is far from robust. this means that the world's two (dual) aspects are mismatched: its structure is already synergised (we depend on each other, the parts and the whole got in a reflexive relation, and destinies and interests are already intertwined in general), but our applied strategy is still antagonising (instead of synergising). our mindset should be altered on the most fundamental level, and GLOBALLY. 2, our actions can be modelled as vectors. a vector has magnitude and direction. magnitude is related to potential, while direction is related to intention. scientific developments and technological advancements have effect on the former, but only on the former. earlier, in the premodern eras, religions (monotheistic ones) had effect on the latter. this is why religions formed the basis of human civilisation and social order. but these systems applied FAITH. however, this kind of strategy is no sufficient anymore. and not only because the answers of these religions are heavily outdated, but also because faith is inherently differentiating and fragmenting due to its necessarily inherent characteristic of multiplicity. there can potentially be infinitely many tales and religious stories, but there is always one truth. this is why now, at the entrance of the next era (metamodernism), we must change strategy and apply UNDERSTANDING. so what does it mean? it means two things: firstly, this strategy combines the tool of science (reason) with the function of religions (effect on social system and development), so this would mean some sort of synthesis of science and religion, and secondly, this strategy could match the magnitude aspect and the direction aspect of our action vector even in a world with synergised structure. if we fail to guarantee the match in the second case, we will fail to guarantee the match in the first case. and that would necessarily lead to shared fall and failure, probably on global and civilisational scale. and why did I write all these under this video? because a global scale nuclear war perfectly reflects this mismatch I was talking about: momently there are a handful of men, mainly old, sick, dement and/or narcissistic sociopaths, who have full control over 12000 nuclear warheads. the world (our civilisation) has never been so close to full elimination. so the magnitude of our action vector is EXTREMELY large, all of our genius minds led to this in thousands of years (scientific and technological advancements), but we still have no real control over our collective action vector. momently, this is a fucking Russian roulette. and this is scary as fuck.

[@Clownworldmatrixviewer]

We do have control of our future. Think positive thoughts ❤️

[@Nugemart]

Why is this even a question? I grew up in London in the 70s and 80s. We received pamphlets through the post telling us how to survive a nuclear war. My mum was beside herself. My father said calmly, “I will take the kids out into the street and watch the fireworks, nobody is going to survive and if they do, what life would they have?”

[@sivrampadhy001]

😮😮😮

[@stevenalvarado-doc7334]

your father like my mine was smart and pragmatic. I thank him everyday for the lessons he taught me.

[@waynemacomson6448]

The same or better than some of our forebearers. We got down to 70 breeding pairs at one time.....They didn't toss it in. And now we have the opportunity to occupy space.

[@zacharyshepherd7636]

And then when you hear about celebrities building the bunkers. That shits is more scary than anything I can imagine

[@user-tf7uo9tv8d]

Gobekli Tepe built by hunter gatherers? lol....

[@Britnayz]

Visit any American City today and it looks like the Zombie Apocalypse already happened! The only relatively nice areas in American cities are either Tourist Traps or spots where Colleges are and as you've seen on the News those areas aren't safe either! For example the city of Nashville with all of it's Tourism can't even find the funds to clean up all the homeless stuff strewn all over the place! Oh they keep the streets where the Tourists hangout pretty nice but step out of that comfort zone in that area and see the real Nashville where the majority live in poverty housing and there's homeless all over the place.