First 20 minutes of a nuclear attack | Annie Jacobsen and Lex Fridman

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Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYnKeIVugN15l9E Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Annie Jacobsen is an investigative journalist and author of "Nuclear War: A Scenario" and many other books on war, weapons, government secrecy, and national security.

[@redhammer1917]

2121 nuclear bombs have already been tested where is that radiation atomic dust ??

[@timothymcglynn1935]

😮

[@georgevavoulis4758]

Annie Jacobsen who was on Joe Rogan show and kept repeating ,buy my book 24 times . Who is she anyways

[@gofai274]

I am already ruined i suffer 8 years 10/10 pain from fear of eternal torture that even death is not the end but all scientists like donald hoffman, roger penrose that say same thing want to be positive 100% of times. WHile it was proven "life is so terrible it can exist only based on lies" by all modalities... Google unit 731 we are all in hell. Evolution hides truths about reality unless they coincide with increased chances of survival! LIFE = HELL

[@urosuros100]

Scott Ritter recently explained US nuclear doctrine (I did not know this) - the plan is to ruin all other civilization centers so that when 30% of American civilization survives, it is the most populous, most powerful civilization in the world. He said that the plan was to basically totally destroy Indian civilization (he took that one as an example) to prevent it from overcoming the remains of the USA. That is the truth if I understood him correctly.

[@davidedmundson8402]

Growing up in the 1950s, we had drills at school where you would dive under your desk. They don't make desks like that anymore.

[@JaWzEallen23]

Because you have lead poisoning

[@GabGotti3]

🤣

[@johnfish837]

That's so if the building collapses you will be sheltered from falling debris in an air pocket...They learned this in the bombing during World War 2.

[@robertwilson8350]

Ironically size of most nukes have come down due to improvements in targeting. So outside of any SS18 mod4s still floating around most are several hundred kilotons not multi-megaton. So extra protection mat make a difference. All depends on proximity. Moderate radiation exposure without flash burns is much more survivable in a post attack scenario. Diving back to cold War, read "war day" good fiction.

[@RSfailblog]

we did that in the 90s too!

[@Jeffthedude15]

As someone who grew up during the Cold War, I can honestly say that I'm more concerned now than I was in the 80s.

[@buzz5969]

Nothing you can do about it kid but going on and living life, keep on keeping on.😊🇺🇸✌🏻🍻

[@soberelvis4954]

I was a Marine in the 80’s before USSR dissolved, this is the most frightened I have been. Biden has the foreign policy of a retarded cat.

[@bartsolari5035]

you got it, the U.S. has pissed off lots of folks. way too many regime changes and offing of generals the U.S. does not like in a 3rd party country

[@TanukiDigital]

I felt at the time that the government was at least filled with responsible adults. Now I know it's basically preschoolers. Scary.

[@paulywalnutz5855]

In the 80s the threat came from the soviet union, today it comes from your own deep state who are prepared for it in bunkers

[@AlexanderYap]

I spent my teenage years during the Cold War worried about nuclear war, then the Cold War ended. Can't believe we are now back to this again.

[@wyganter]

War is money!

[@LICKSTERxx]

It's all bullshit there was never a cold war all theatre to keep people scared

[@TheChirix999]

@@wyganter There will be no money when nucler war will happen...

[@angelgjr1999]

Thank trump for that

[@krystynahaywood1968]

Yes, I remember those teenage years well :-(

[@dannyzuehlsdorf3697]

But the Wi-Fi will stay on, right?

[@shantishanti1949]

Be able to watch last episode of Friends right?? 😂😂

[@Vub.]

Imagine we would be so messed up people would still be scrolling tik tok after a nuclear warhead hits the country.

[@shadowcrusader2283]

sure, it doesn't stay on now with a fleet of trucks driving around

[@dannyzuehlsdorf3697]

@@shantishanti1949 yes...I guess it would be the VERY LAST episode 😟

[@jeffdrozkowski112]

It’s gotta stay on, how else are the kids gonna post about it on tik tok? Duh

[@KevinInPhoenix]

War is hell. Try not to have one.

[@GizmoGuy21]

The pentagon has a snack bar. The name of that snack bar? Ground Zero. Got to admire their dark sense of humor.

[@cpufrost]

World's most dangerous hot dog stand.

[@crackerjack6454]

That's what my ex GF used to call me...​@@cpufrost

[@An_Appeal_To_Heaven]

It's called the Aloha Snack Bar

[@GabGotti3]

Wow. That’s awesome 😂

[@investigator2016]

😂

[@allenhaines8642]

I am a retired Army officer, then a retired senior civil servant living in a great home 0.8 straight line from Pentagon. I plan on sharing a bottle of wine and a cigar with my wife on our backyard deck.

[@toddsmith293]

I too am a retired Army Officer. For many reasons I live deep in Appalachia; this is one of them. All the best to you.

[@Michaelno]

You’re right sir, just relax if something does happen you’ll never feel a thing.

[@KC-rt4hp]

My dad worked in aerospace on SDI / CDI. He couldn't talk about the black programs, but I gleaned enough to known we'd all be toast if the hammer came down.

[@Eric-ot7en]

Your reaction to this clip is ,o well. Interesting.

[@jota55581]

The miltary Will follow ANY agenda ..they are traitors .

[@jackietreehorn8527]

Man, I hope I'm outta town when this happens...

[@jjg1501]

if you were out of town it wont be long before you wished you were under the first bomb, rofl

[@NYdaVinciBricks]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 best comment ever

[@whosaidthat5236]

lol I’m glad I’m in a area that deemed strategically important to both sides . I don’t know if that’s a good thing or bad lol

[@radatabass]

@@whosaidthat5236what area?

[@steelsteez6118]

​@@radatabassthe north pole. He's Santa's advisor and also a wildlife conservationist for the arctic science foundation.

[@panpiper]

This is a 'reporter', not a strategic analyst, not a military person, this is an amateur who talked to some people and wrote a scary book. Whoopty do! Talking about how destructive nuclear weapons are. Gee. Like we didn't know? A nuclear war does NOT start with a single nuke on the Pentagon. That is completely and utterly absurd. A first strike will be an all out attempt to eliminate ALL nuclear weapons of the side being struck. The primary targets will be military command/control (including the pentagon), ALL ICBM silos, ALL airforce bases, ALL naval bases, and ANY suspected locations of submarines, carrier strike groups and singleton destroyers. They will be timed to all hit, all at once. There 'may' be a few cities deliberately targeted, but not many, though many will be caught in the blast of nukes hitting other targets nearby. The enemy will need ALL their warheads to target nukes because if ANY nukes survive, the one who attacked will be subject to a retaliatory strike that will utterly destroy them. If a single boomer survives (ballistic nuclear submarine) the attacking enemy can kiss their 100 biggest cities goodbye. The fact that utterly disarming your enemy with a first strike is seen to be impossible is what has kept such a nuclear war from happening. Any attempt to 'win' with such a first strike is virtually guaranteed to fail to catch all of the opponents nukes, and their retaliation will assure the destruction of whoever attacked first, Mutually Assured Destruction, MAD. Under no circumstances would an enemy fire 'one' nuke at a target like the pentagon while the enemy has the ability to retaliate, as the consequences of doing that are going to be grievous in the extreme for whoever attacked.

[@rleriche5044]

Exactly. We are not even close to an all out strike from either side.

[@AdvocateForFaith]

The Pentagon would be just one target, I wouldn't base this conversation as merely accurate it's just a discussion about a “What if” scenario. I agree with your comment though strategically makes more sense. Either way, one nuke or a dozen, would be devastating since every country would be involved. Armageddon bound.

[@stevestruthers6180]

She doesn't know the difference between counterforce and countervalue strikes. A counterforce strike is designed to destroy or severely impair an enemy's ability to launch an attack, a counterstrike, or to prosecute a war. Typical counterforce strikes involve nuclear missile sites and military bases. Countervalue strikes are aimed at civilian population centres with the aim of removing the ability of the civilian population to support a war effort by making and supplying war materiel, or by joining their country's armed forces, or demoralizing them so severely they give up any of these activities and surrender. A counterforce nuclear strike is most likely to take place in the early stages of a global nuclear war in hopes of forcing the enemy to sue for peace, or after an enemy that possesses nuclear weapons realizes that efforts to win a war using conventional weapons alone is not going to work. A countervalue strike will happen when the enemy can continue to prosecute a war in spite of having been attacked with nuclear weapons. In a general, no-holds-barred, use 'em or lose 'em nuclear war, counterforce and countervalue strikes will happen simultaneously.

[@johnbianchi3877]

We’re fucked

[@ChatGPT1111]

You TOTALLY missed the thousands of equipment and human error scenarios. The one we had in the 80's almost offed the entire planet. Only because of the one man Petrov are any of us alive today.

[@zj-all2976]

What better to settle into after a hard day of work than a nice, relaxing Lex clip?

[@johndouglass3010]

Imagine Lex on a bad day.. ha ha

[@dv2033]

On my way to a job on a beautiful sunny morning scared AF now. Thanks Lex, at least it's pay day.

[@cjyoung7372]

I've just dropped some san pedro I don't think I should be going down this path ATM 😂

[@BarnsleysOwnIdiot]

Just sitting in my tent on my birthday after drinking a beer. Open phone as I’m about to go to sleep…. “Your face will be sucked into a fireball mushroom cloud at 300mph” Thanks Lex. Goodnight everyone.

[@investigator2016]

@@cjyoung7372😂

[@The_Letter_J6]

"Dogs and cats sleeping together… MASS HYSTERIA!"

[@deanlawson6880]

..."Real wrath of God stuff"!!!

[@theyatter]

I'm gonna fix you Venkman

[@blitskreegdeantioch5851]

You forgot the human sacrifice.

[@Phreekanon]

Its true.. This man has no penis!

[@phoenixmodellingphotography]

"According to data any houses inside the 5th ring radius of a nuclear blast will still be standing, however if you go back inside your family home immediately after a blast you'll discover that the bomb has burglarised all the cash and valuable items that were inside at the time, and actually tied up your family and locked them down in the basement with socks in their mouths, you try to open the door but there's too much blood on the knob..."

[@freedom_aint_free]

There's no 1 single nuke attack: those systems will only launch very very deliberately, and the minute an income ICMB is detected the attacked will answer with full might so, the game theoretic better move for the attacker is to attack with its full power all at once, the equilibrium of the MAD doctrine is just barely reached by considering that the agents are rational and they fear the counter attack as even if say Russia launches 100% of their nukes in the USA the submarines and hardened silos would most likely survive and they would retaliate and now Russia don't have a way to answer anymore. Nuclear war is a flamethrower fight in a oil refinery, the first shot no matter from who or from where will blow everything up no winners.

[@VancouverInvestor]

Thats why both sides use ballistic missle submarines. They can kill each other 10x over and the other side can't sink all of their subs before even just one launches with a 30 unit mirv. We're all doomed.

[@deanlawson6880]

..."A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"... Yes Joshua, a nice game of chess if you please. -

[@JamesGraydon]

War Games​@@deanlawson6880

[@aazendude]

There is no scenario whereby the U.S. could launch a full strike against Russia or vice versa (or China against the U.S., etc) that would not be a global catastrophe that affects everyone, even if there was no retaliation. The fallout of attacking such a large landmass with that many weapons would affect everyone on the planet. People as far away as Africa and Australia would all be dying of cancer.

[@stevenobrien557]

It is called a decapitation attack. Biden or any other president is not going to order release because NORAD "thinks" only one ICBM is coming. That also assumes an ICBM would be used instead of a truck borne attack. In such a case, who would the remaining command even retaliate against? Such decision delays are the critical weaknesses of MAD theory.

[@phelanpawly2507]

Best personal outcome is to get as close as you can and watch the show.

[@erickanter]

With you on that one. I want to see one from a distance when i am on the porch smoking a cigar and drinking bourbon.

[@drmoesta]

As someone who is flammable at 180 million degrees, I can attest that I’ll be pretty thirsty after the initial blast.

[@colliswilliams8992]

If you were in the Army, they'd tell you to drink water. You'll be fine.

[@teporocho82]

Change your socks as well​@@colliswilliams8992

[@whit6444]

You might get gout on top of radiation poisoning 😂

[@4ndyr0g3r50n]

I'm sure they have drinking fountains in the afterlife, you'll be fine.

[@Italian69Boi]

"Anyone not wearing 2 million sunblock is gunna have a real bad day! GET IT?" -Sarah Conner 😂

[@bigredone1030]

Moscow has a metro that doubles as a shelter. In the us only billionaires will be left

[@matthew944]

​@@Chris-yf2zs I wouldn't say that to Sarah Conner, she doesn't mess around.

[@sonnylambert4893]

Most Arnold movies are " predictive programming"

[@jaysparrow6631]

@@bigredone1030I guess in that situation it’ll be down to survival of the fittest until last man standing and not to mention the smell from the rotting corpses and the infestation of the creepy crawlies coming from them plus the….. you get the picture surely!

[@theyatter]

@@Chris-yf2zs Or someone with a sense of humor

[@user-tv5hj1eh6x]

There's a film called Threads set in Sheffield England and it's about a nuclear attack. It's absolutely harrowing and it's free to watch on youtube. It's worth checking out.

[@420haxx]

A hard watch but essential viewing in these troubled times, let us pray that our idiot politicians don't take us to that scenario.

[@Mick0296]

Watched it for the first time a couple of weeks ago, absolutely horrific and really well done considering the budget.

[@sfsarj6877]

I watched it in the 80s and I watched an American film called The Day After Both made me realise that nuclear war was the end of the world and I was 14 at the time The nuclear threat went away early 90s and it's back now with vengeance

[@jjg1501]

its also bullshit. it would be alot worse then what that movie portrayed.

[@graymcgoldrick8388]

A film to make you see yourself affected by a nuclear war and all sides in the same boat regardless of who sets off a nuclear weapon.

[@AmericanOpinion]

Surviving would be horrible. Imagine having to watch your entire family die in horrific ways …. To watch your children suffer and to be powerless as they do… that is a very real hell

[@stevenobrien557]

this is why I absolutely hate those boomers that deride the duck and cover drills they had to do. The amount of damage just flying glass does in building bombings is ridiculous, not to mention flash burns that the flimsiest of materials can protect you from (eg the Hiroshima maiden photo showing the dress pattern burns). Imagine having to care for one of your family members with those burns with no chance of real medical care that would normally save them then die of infection over the next two weeks.

[@AmericanOpinion]

@@stevenobrien557 yes

[@MikeBrown-dk7or]

Even if Putin can hide in a bunker for some months, he's going to come out to a nuclear winter. Let's hope he isn't suicidal.

[@avae5343]

@@stevenobrien557Duck and cover would save some people, even if it’s a handful out of a hundred. Survive into what though, is the question.

[@billiam794]

To the people in Gaza this might as well have happened, they are watching their families slowly die, to them it's dooms day, maybe dooms day happens for everyone at different times

[@thomasbonnett4800]

Yeah, but it’s a dry heat.

[@randyboisa6367]

"Knock it off Hudson!"

[@whizzer2944]

Good for athritics

[@SteveAubrey1762]

My mum was pregnant with me during the Cuban Missile Crisis. I was born 2 months later in December 62. My generation grew up under the shadow of the bomb. Here we go again.

[@keithmacmanus173]

Same here…, I was born that same month. The 17th….

[@clubmike2910]

Actually the shadow never left it has been here along. Sooner or later bang, bang we are all dead.

[@b0tterman]

I grew up in the Cold War and was obsessed with this stuff. I knew more than most but there was an acute awareness by everyone. Now, people are sleepwalking towards nuclear war. Awareness needs to be raised. This is our existential crisis. Not fucking AI.

[@gregoryedwards9097]

Exactly.

[@jjg1501]

ai is just as big a threat. its not sleep walking its pure fantasy thinking, thinking that it will never happen

[@b0tterman]

@@jjg1501 You're right. But I'm saying Nuclear War is the most immediate threat and there's little awareness of this. We're in danger now. Not a few years down the road.

[@jjg1501]

@@b0tterman i cant disagree with that. i really wish people would wake the fck up but i wont hold my breath.

[@user-qc7dr3cd3q]

Climate change according to Democrats.

[@kabeblak3606]

Those who survive will have it the worst

[@Collected1]

There's a somewhat chilling scene in the movie WarGames where Prof Falcon talks about living a few miles from a primary target and in the event of a nuclear strike he'll be spared the horror of survival. That always stuck with me as a kid.

[@westleystewart]

Same. I also grew up next to an Air Force base which was a primary target. During the Cold War if things heated up I’d have been one of the first casualties.

[@investigator2016]

Im about 3 miles from one 😂. I never worry about it. Even if it happened i wouldnt be worrying long.

[@DarthVader-1701]

Dr Steven Falken*

[@bondsan]

Sounds good, when do we start?

[@Donnie-sh9md]

You released this clip on good Friday Easter weekend. For people who had a chill day and wanted to relax with some time off, this one is for you lol

[@trying3841]

Her speaking reminds me of the end days in the Bible...it describes Nuclear war "12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;" Revelations 6:12-15

[@kurtisb100]

I know lex is the interviewer and is supposed to ask questions. But good grief “do you think people will be brutal? Will they steal and murder?” Dude. That happened during Katrina. That was just bad weather. Everyone knew that relief would come, the weather was temporary, the water would recede. Post nuclear war? There’s no help coming, and while people might be a little slow on the uptake, by day three it’s absolute chaos. By the 9th missed meal everyone will have done the math, and brother, it’s gonna be a literal dog eat dog world. Or man eat dog. And dog eat man. And man eat man.

[@NoBody-tk3yd]

Lex is one of those intelligent people that is really stupid or has a willing ignorance. He's had some of the most corrupt guests on his show and pretends like they're good people with good intentions. The Pfizer CEO and Zuckerberg for example, he rolled over for them. And yet, he went out of his way to go hard on Kanye.

[@derekzicari2181]

He's just asking questions bud relax

[@samlaurent1436]

Yeah that was a dumbass question

[@billjackson3919]

That's what it will be like in US. All the movies have pumped and primed us for violent mayhem. Won't be like that in Russia. They'll help each other. They have lived (or remember) the atrocities of war and violence. We, in North America have no clue.

[@kurtisb100]

@@billjackson3919 they’re going to be civilized in Russia post nuclear apocalypse? Because they have a shared history of trauma? Really? That might be the hottest hot take I’ve ever heard. No, they won’t be. Everywhere that’s affected will be the same: because it’s people we’re talking about. Desperate people do desperate things. Perhaps not at the individual level; there will undoubtedly be kindness and cooperation sometimes in some places. But at a macro level it’s going to look the same, no matter what culture or ethnicity we’re talking about.

[@lauraa7042]

I can’t buy into this terror. If this happens I’m offing myself asap. I’m too old to bother with post apocalyptic living. Hell, I’m barely making it now.

[@scaledtime8934]

exactly.

[@lennomenno]

Amen. Being alive doesn’t mean you’re living.

[@jasonantigua6825]

@@lennomennowell it does,by definition! Although I get what you’re saying!

[@stt5v2002]

I hear that a lot. It's a form of denial. You are basically saying "I don't have to do anything about this, think about this, or prepare in any way. It won't be an issue for me because I will self terminate if it happens." But the truth is that if it happened you almost certainly wouldn't do that. People have been faced with horrific nightmare lives for thousands of years and almost all of them carry on desperately trying to survive and do the best they can. In all likelihood, you would be trying to stay alive no matter how bad it was. That's just what we do, its what we are evolved to do. Only you would be in a very disadvantaged position because of your denial. If you don't want this to happen, do something about it. I know you can't end the threat on your own but at least talk to people about it to raise awareness of the problem. I grew up in the 80s. We were scared of nuclear war and we knew it could really happen. That wasn't great, but it worries me a little that no one even thinks about it now. The nuclear boogeyman is out there. It is a feature of our world. We have to intentionally not let that boogeyman wreak murderous havoc, not just ignore that he is out there.

[@avae5343]

@@stt5v2002We’re hard wired to try to survive and pass on our genes. That’s why the post-apocalypse will be ugly because it will be Humanity in instinctive state.

[@DigitalNomadInvestor]

Lex, look what happens at Target after Thanksgiving. People almost riot when toasters and TVs are on sale. Imagine when life and death landscape happens.

[@stevenobrien557]

Are the target staff allowed to shoot customers on Black Friday? Those people behave really quick when the gloves come off.

[@davidfitzpatrick4041]

TV's ????? You mean Barry and Backdoor Pedo Michael ???😂😂😂

[@danoman5217]

1 nuclear missiles launched from a cargo ship several miles off the coast or in a harbor. There would be no time for any warning. 10 min or less until detonation. EMP seems like a 1st strike weapon.

[@johnfish837]

They have nuclear submarines out there right now for that purpose...Each side has 500 missiles ready to launch, hidden under the sea.

[@rleriche5044]

Not going to happen. The strike would need to be an all or nothing affair.

[@Americanoligarchy]

I live in the thermal radiation ring of the map of San Francisco they show in this clip (2:48). So I should expect record high temperatures, but still dress in layers I assume. Annie is a such wonderful podcast guest, great storyteller and I love her voice.

[@nooneinparticular9868]

This is fucking terrifying. If ever there was a time to say on a KZbin video that it’s TERRIFYING… this is the time. The next few years are going to be nerve racking

[@matthewmckinney6164]

It's always been terrifying, since nukes have been around. In 1962 a Russian sub B-59, was one person away from launching a nuke. 2 out of 3 people on board were ready to. The guy who spoke against it wasn't even the captain. So look, in the end logic will prevail even if someone else is illogical. You can choose to live in fear or not.

[@trying3841]

Her speaking reminds me of the end days in the Bible "12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;" Revelations 6:12-15

[@GDBROWN]

Don't let her scare you man. She's exaggerating the hell out of how bad it would actually be. She's no expert on the art of nuclear conflict.

[@donvalley3456]

Threads a british movie from 70s or 80s not sure but it is a must to watch

[@johnfish837]

Propaganda from the KGB

[@tylero8595]

Fun facts: Degree of burn What it looks like Damage Long-term outlook: First (superficial) red and dry, but without blisters (such as mild sunburn) top layer of skin (epidermis) temporary skin color changes Second red, swollen, and blistered skin top and middle layers of skin (dermis) may cause an increase in skin thickness Third white and charred-looking epidermis, dermis, and subcutaneous (fat) tissues extensive skin damage, including thicker skin and scars as it heals Fourth charred skin with possible exposed bone skin, tendons, nerves, and possibly muscles may cause permanent damage to affected area, requiring amputations Fifth charred, white skin and exposed bone skin, tendons, muscles, and bones permanent body damage, amputation, and organ damage possible Sixth loss of skin with exposed bone extends to the bones same as fifth-degree burns, but with possible fatalities

[@stevenobrien557]

What a lot of people do not understand is the less serious burns allow infection to set, this normally is not such a problem for many burn victims due to access to prompt medical care and supplies however in a nuclear attack scenario no such care would be possible on the required scale. The flimsiest of barriers can provide protection from these burns, a good example id the picture of a Hiroshima maiden with the fabric pattern of her dress burned into her skin.

[@thenathanimal2909]

I really hope I don't survive nuclear war. If I do, I'm offing myself so I don't have to languish before dying in an irradiated dying planet for a few month.

[@korgscrew2000]

I'll be laying in the garden

[@psynurse]

​@@korgscrew2000you will feed the garden of the future

[@johnhoffman8203]

Watch the movie On The Beach

[@guyblerp868]

Weakling

[@jimfarmer7811]

The reality is that the majority of radiation will decay in the first 24 hours. If you can survive underground for two weeks it will be relatively safe to come out. Although your chances of cancer will be higher because of decay of secondary isotopes. I suspect nature would shrug off a nucl ear war within a couple of years.

[@Godzilla00X]

Sorry if this sounds dumb, would the entire grid go down or would that only impact a set range? If a nuke went off in LA, how far away would the power go down?

[@smoberley]

LOL, California can hardly keep the power running during peacetime.

[@Dagizza13]

California gets their energy from the dams in oregon lol

[@getoutthere04]

The emp from the Nuke would be enough to stop cell phones, internet, etc. It would be chaos, as there's no FEMA and Red Cross coming to help you. We have 2% food grown in USA on private level, so if you don't have food, and somehow survived radiation, you'll die in 2 weeks in Cali. No one is coming to help you. Free-for-all unless a member of the military (again, if they too survived).

[@Idontlikethisever]

The women shows up to sell her books that’s all it is. She has nothing to say that’s not been said a million times.

[@sc0ttishnutj0b75]

And gets ignored a million times

[@trying3841]

Her speaking reminds me of the end days in the Bible "12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;" Revelations 6:12-15

[@sc0ttishnutj0b75]

@@trying3841 Everyone always adds or changes what is wrote in the bible online

[@Capital_Trades]

Waiting for her book plug any minute.

[@rff6866]

Smells like THE DAY AFTER

[@jtavegia5845]

If you haven't, watch "The Day After" with the late Jason Robards (2004). People think they can survive, but if it is an extensive attack on major cities, there will be no food, no utilities and no suitable water to drink. It would be a sad, slow, painful death, especially if you endure radiation poisoning. AS in the movie "War Games", the only way to win is not to play. This is why countries with old leaders have the most to fear.

[@FedkaSlovanich]

best way to prepare is to live homeless for a while, just to get the experience

[@gobblelevclass3nuclearsubm393]

we should always try to have a bit of "backbone" ie not be too urbanised. and be able to grow a "victory garden" like our grandparents. growing food is very important and some level of fitness ?

[@DakotaFord592]

​@@FedkaSlovanich😂😂😂

[@johnfish837]

Deterrence is the only way prevent a big war...Make it too dangerous for the leaders...It has worked for 80 years so far.

[@jjdjdub34]

And the USA couldn't detect a slow moving LARGE air balloon. And wed survive this, righhhhhht

[@bhmichigan8731]

Back in the 60s / 70s I went to school 7th-12th grade in the first school built completely underground (not the gym of course) after the Cuban Missile Crisis to serve as a Nuclear Bomb Shelter ... spent 6 years in it ... Developed a survival mindset during that time ...

[@xploration1437]

It doesn’t need to hit the ground. Blowing it up above ground causing an EMP would be more catastrophic.

[@mikem9892]

I assume they'll hit us with both

[@bunk95]

EBMs theyre where no one could want to go. I already notified Jeff Tweedy’s social media company, Wilco. Is he tell the others in his [air conditioned nightmare]?

[@robertwatson818]

Initial blast effect travels at about the speed of sound.. The secondary blast effect is supersonic and eventually overtakes the initial wave and grossly increases the damage at the point they overlap. Lets examine the effects of the Soviet Tsar Bomba. Firebal is initial blast leaves a crater almost 30 miles in diameter. Major fires are started 60 miles away.

[@GDBROWN]

Those numbers you threw out are extremely exaggerated.

[@isaidthat4505]

Scare tatics it wont be pretty but if you survive the initial blast and fallout .you have a good chance of making it

[@georgemurray2901]

A nuclear winter no crops for food for 3/4 years 😂

[@MisterStifler]

Her voice is so calming and nice

[@surplusbargains]

The crazy thing is all over the world 🌎 there are people employed that just sit in a room waiting on a command to punch in a code and turn a key… and they randomly have test commands instructing to turn the key to make sure they will do it… They are happy to be doing something instead of just sitting around.

[@kingguccitv8664]

2 people per nuke😂

[@surplusbargains]

no like 8 people per shift

[@stevenobrien557]

Those people are not sitting around waiting, they have a very heavy training load.

[@JamieEHunter]

I keep seeing these clips and this person is saying absolutely nothing new. It seems she’s just found out about the effect of nuclear weapons and has written a book all about her discoveries having failed to realise that all of these ‘revelations’ and ‘startling conversations’ have been public knowledge since the early 1950s.

[@xpacnwo2000]

You sound very bitter.

[@JamieEHunter]

@@xpacnwo2000 thanks for your valuable and well considered opinion as to how I sound.

[@xpacnwo2000]

@@JamieEHunter You sound very bitter and jaded. Your comment shows how much you actually hate yourself and its quite sad. You sound like a person who feels that they know all and anybody who doesn't already know what you do is inferior. You added nothing to the conversation besides a personal distaste for this speaker on this topic going over topics you already know about. Childish and immature. Bitter and Jaded. Sad.

[@johnfish837]

Yeah, but there is a new generation to frighten into submission.

[@maitreyas.4902]

It's helpful to me. I didn't know much except it's deadly.

[@joshuairwin3385]

Her - “FEMA is the organization that steps in when there’s a flood.” Katrina - “Am I a joke to you?”

[@kurtnunn6116]

With my formative years growing up, in the late 70s and the 80s, your guest is presenting some new facts. But a lot of this is already hardwired into people from my generation’s brain. The horror that would ensue for those who were to survive the initial blast would be unimaginable. Those within the radius of the initial fireball would be the lucky ones.

[@noahbrooks8939]

I love these podcasters all scrambling to try to cover the heaviest topics knowing they didn’t care about any of this stuff in the past

[@Mondegreen2020]

Should they always cover every heavy topic during every podcast instead?

[@j0xIWsNt]

Lex covers a variety of interesting topics and people. Who cares if he makes one semi-clickbait clip lol there's a lot more in the rest of the interview

[@Peaceful-resistance1]

You nailed it!😂

[@steelearmstrong9616]

Bring it on

[@spacingguild]

Part of your retirement plan eh?.

[@steelearmstrong9616]

@@spacingguild I love chaos

[@kingguccitv8664]

​@steelearmstrong9616 Joe Biden already did 😂 u late 2 the table 😅

[@nathangattis7400]

Google or look up the song titled " so long & thanks for all the fish " By a perfect circle.

[@arielless1118]

Love the Dimebag Guitar in the background.

[@korlu01]

This is a great guest and what she has to say is fascinating but you can tell she kinda gets off to talking about all of this carnage

[@GDBROWN]

She is not a reliable source of info on this subject.

[@SootyGrouse]

First 20 minutes? Completely unimaginable. Second 20 minutes? Same. No power. No running water. Infrastructure destroyed. No transportation. No communications (well, except maybe the unlucky person next to you). Basically, everyday life comprehensively changes.

[@magouliana32]

That’s why I moved across from a McDonalds and supermarket I’ll be first in line. Cheerios and hot dogs all you need for survival.

[@jasonkloos6348]

​@@magouliana32 as long as that's in the middle of S. America, sure. If not, you just won't be hungry when you still die of radiation sickness. Which will kill your appetite anyways so...

[@BubbbaZ]

we still have starlink buy a antenna and a solar power bank for yr phone your set!

[@xploration1437]

@@BubbbaZever heard of an EMP? Apparently not.

[@jasonkloos6348]

@@BubbbaZ the multiple EMPs will kill every single satellite in orbit. And your phone.

[@imlurking232]

Will I still be able to use the turlit.

[@MIKEMIKE-te2dt]

Thanks for this enlightening report!

[@edwardsanchez3708]

Is that lisa loeb?!

[@MrMotorNerd]

Pine Gap in Australia would have to be a target too , in the early phases .

[@Laughing_Buddha_Tattoo]

Interesting, why is that?

[@sonnylambert4893]

​@Laughing_Buddha_Tattoo try Google

[@stevenobrien557]

Who cares? That is the reason why it is in the middle of nowhere. RAAF Tindal however...

[@user-nf2zb9zo4l]

THANKS FOR THAT.....I live in Brisbane !!!!!!

[@MrMotorNerd]

@user-nf2zb9zo4l Don't you have a major Air base near you called , Amberley? .

[@steveorick2271]

People become animals when they become desparate

[@mongobongo91]

...what would be going through the presidents mind?... "I pooped my diaper! Where is my pudding"

[@chiragpatel8597]

is that with donald or with joey bc there are both geriatrics

[@margaretocallaghan3631]

@chiragpatel85 it works for both

[@alanserjeant4947]

Whatever it is it won't be a long journey. 🤣

[@mongobongo91]

@@chiragpatel8597 definitely both. It's a selection not an election

[@user-ys4og2vv8k]

This lady knows everything... 🙄

[@jeffbrodie42]

No nuclear devastation. Stop w fear and panic.

[@jayrussell3796]

Nothing like watching this late at night before going to bed 😳

[@GDBROWN]

Don't let this frighten you. She's a journalist who wrote Tom Clancy novels, and is no expert on Nuclear Conflict by any means. Lex is a podcast host who needs views and hits.

[@captainjimstrattonusmc]

Thanks

[@mvl9591]

Spoke to a retired US Navy submariner. When one flies, they all fly.😱😱😱😱😱

[@randycarstens1100]

I’ve planned an emergency fall out shelter, but honestly don’t think I would have the will or fortitude to survive at 63. May just stand out in the fallout and have a great cigar. Radiation is painful death, but surviving may be painful death that just takes longer with much suffering until….

[@Jubilian3000]

I grew up and graduated high school in the 80’s. Back then they would still teach us to get under our desks if there was a nuclear war. But all of us saw video of nuclear bomb detonations. One kid asked our history teacher this question…. “Mr. Chamberlain, while we are under our desks what are you going to do? He said, “I’m grabbing a 6 pack going up on the roof and watching the fireworks”. That’s always been something I’ve remembered. So I don’t worry about it too much. I know if it happens it’s the end. And better to go closer to ground zero than further away from it.

[@jacobdrollinger4802]

Wouldn't the first strike be on one of the missile silos in Montana or Wyoming?

[@wickedjr70]

Malmstrom AFB in central Montana, which stores a large percentage of our nukes, was supposed to be 3rd strike behind the pentagon and NORAD, or at least it was when I was living there in the 80’s. I knew multiple people who worked in the silos.

[@docmach8794]

For the uninitiated; 1 Kiloton=1 football fields stacked 9 feet deep in TNT. 1 Megaton= the same football field stacked 9000 (9 THOUSAND) feet deep in TNT. The average large city can expect a 5 megaton bomb with light to moderate damage at 6 miles from detonation. There will be 2 types of detonation; An "Airburst" which does no present a significant amount of "Military Fallout" as there is less opportunity of irradiating material. A "Ground burst" which presents "SIGNIFICANT" amounts of "Military Fallout" as all of the dirt, buildings and organic material is irradiated and thrown back into the air to rain down, down range of the detonation. D.C. will be overkill with several ground bursts meant to destroy command and control/leadership bunkers and any bureaucrats who weren't high enough to be saved.

[@Peaceful-resistance1]

Looks like the swamp will be drained after all 😉

[@GDBROWN]

@@Peaceful-resistance1"The swamp" is insignificant in the face of this type of annihilation. Draining the swamp would suddenly be the least of your concerns.

[@Peaceful-resistance1]

@@GDBROWN True that it will just be incinerated. But remember fire cleanses all things.

[@HerbHerman-le5ux]

Our extraterrestrial guardians will not let this happen.

[@podcastfan2544]

They planned this and documenting currently (as seen in UPA footage reports etc ..in media) so it with ll certainy this will happen the question ❓ is how long do we have?

[@Jay121]

🙄

[@MikeBrown-dk7or]

If there are any ETs, they will split to other planets that haven't yet destroyed themselves.

[@WaveOfDestiny]

They'll probably let this happen, download our minds into a computer or another body, then look at us and say, "really?"

[@apropercuppa8612]

Spoke to a bloke who was a part of the Australian Occupational Force of Japan after the end of WW2. He was sent to one of the cities (I forget which) that was destroyed by the Atomic Bomb. He was completely unaware of the effects of Radiation at the time, being around 18 or 19. Spent the rest of his life with some health issues. His Wife had had many miscarriages as a result, or their children died at a very young age. They eventually had one healthy Son. During the Cold War itself, another bloke served in the Navy. The Ship he was on was stationed near an Island off the Coast of Australia. They did bomb testing there. He said ALL the Crew that witnessed it died within the coming years. All late teens to mid 20's. He was one of the lucky ones, he said. During the night there was a warm, ominous glow from where the bomb had been tested. He said something about Indigenous folk that went to a cave nearby as it was considered warm and well lit, probably to rest. Anyway, they were never seen again.

[@King_TuTT]

sounds like my monday mornings at work

[@adriaticbatman]

Now I know why we covered and ducked under our desk in elementary school.....Boy were we ahead of our time in the 70s....

[@zacharynelson5731]

I think it was for the same reason we tell kids that blankets keep the monster in the closet from getting them. Having a tangible thing they can do in the face of an unknown danger helps ease panic

[@unclemurdablackandyellow5481]

You think? 😂 You really believe tucking under a desk would give you chance? Damn common sense isn't common

[@scaramouche8244]

@@unclemurdablackandyellow5481 I thought that was '50s.

[@stevenobrien557]

@@unclemurdablackandyellow5481 You do not know what you are talking about. Flying glass alone causes horrendous injuries during attacks on civilian buildings not to mention protection from flash burns, radiation, blindness and falling debris. On the perimeter of every blast would be many, many children who this would make a crucial difference in not being left to suffer a terrible death over the next week or two.

[@adriaticbatman]

@@unclemurdablackandyellow5481 i guess you don't understand sarcasim

[@ReconMan8654]

Watch ‘THREADS,’ the family feel-good hit that’s been warming hearts since 1984. 🔥☢️🔥

[@Dvd.S-rw8nd]

Very interesting

[@joshuacanterbury5391]

Just finished this book. Important to get these details out in the open. Apes on a treadmill. Radiation poisoning/ death is the worst part

[@runestone1337]

As pertinent and upsetting as all this nasty nuclear war business is, can we please get back to the topics that really matter -- such as TikTok cat videos and what the Kardashians are currently wearing?

[@sferrin2]

She talks as though every warhead is a 15 MT nuke. Most are in the low hundreds of kts these days. (Still not tiny but a couple orders of magnitude smaller than what she's describing.)

[@katelynmeaghan3410]

Yeah, multi-megaton warheads are for hardened targets like missile silos and Cheyanne Mountain. Warheads targeting soft targets (ie population centers) are typically 450-750 kiloton range. The problem is there's generally multiple warheads for each big city. You can do more widespread destruction to soft targets with a few more modest sized warheads than you can with one big one.

[@stevenobrien557]

@@katelynmeaghan3410 Washington is getting ground bursts for the various deep bunkers so yes they would be getting the same large yield weapons .

[@xxxyyy4668]

Never worry too much about things out of your control, if it happens it happens...

[@MCRUE78]

Absolutely correct! What the hell can we do 😂😂😂😂

[@tousainthart-yc1tr]

When a Nuclear missile is fired EVERYBODY loses

[@ScottyColoradoKid]

NORAD here in Cheyenne Mountain in Colo Springs is also target #1, so then we cant track their missles....they actually show it getting nuked at the end of Terminator #3 LOL

[@johnringoo756]

They have moved it

[@ScottyColoradoKid]

@@johnringoo756 are you thinking of the US Space Command, that got moved from CO to Alabama by Trump, and then got moved back to CO by Biden....? cause NORAD is still in Cheyenne Mtn Colo Spngs

[@johnringoo756]

​@@ScottyColoradoKidyes

[@Rauseo07]

"Starts laughing in Fallout 3"

[@calebcase80]

Crawl out from the fallout baby

[@nelsoncordova9354]

I live here in New Mexico about 20 miles east of Los Alamos which is an elevation of about 7k feet. Im at about 5600ft further down the mountain range. My question ❓ if anyone can answer for me: hypothetically if Los Alamos were to get hit w/ a nuke or similar, am I a "gonner/?"

[@rdg3686]

What's the beat movie that close to what she is describing?

Better heads will arrive. We will pass this filter. Future history will remember this as the dark technological times. The moment we almost disappeared.

[@barrettwittkamp6166]

My thoughts exactly

[@TooTurntConner]

Holy shit if you live near the pentagon i’d move 😂

[@YFLTheGreat]

They plan on sending out thousands

[@utubeballbag]

if you live in a town/city with over 10000 people there is a nuke pointed at it. If you live within 20 miles of an airport, military base or a straight stretch of road over 1 mile long theres a nuke pointed at you

[@Gaming_Sparky58]

nowhere is safe, the nuclear winter that follows will kill everybody else. Leave it to humans to have the apocalypse/end of the world ready with just a few button presses.

[@jasonm949]

One of the reasons I left the US for Argentina when i got out of the Marines in 2000.

[@GDBROWN]

Smart

[@jasonm949]

@GDBROWN Yep, I read Sagan's book on nuclear winter as a bored Marine on my 2nd WESTPAC, last year of my 6 year enlistment. Said nope, I'm done. EAS'd, went home, packed my stuff, and headed south. Best decision I ever made.

[@GDBROWN]

@@jasonm949 TYFYS. How's Patagonia? I hear it's gorgeous. Hope it works out for ya. I can say that Sagan had much better insight to the idea of Nuke Winter than this woman, who's just trying to promote the sale of her book. She's a journalist, not a strategic war expert. Some points still stand however. I will say that the after consequences won't be as bad as people think. Complete Armageddon? Nope. Bad times for decades and chaos with much fewer people worldwide? For sure.

[@jasonm949]

@GDBROWN It's gorgeous. I settled in Central Patagonia, and it works for me. Argentina has had its challenges, but outside of the cities, it's really MYOB. No fed interference. There is a lot more liberty than in the US when it comes to certain....items...if you follow.

[@GDBROWN]

@@jasonm949 I certainly follow lol. What's your opinion of the most recent president? I'd love to see Patagonia one day. Happy for ya that you can call it home brother.

[@mackhomie6]

People getting sucked up into the mushroom cloud? Doesn't that run counter to the fireball and shockwave exploding (you) outward?

[@waldo2635]

I bet the Pentagon goes down 2000 feet and already has nuclear proof areas.

[@RichsOnlineRSO]

This woman almost seems excited to be describing the horror of a Nuke going off. Seems very unsettling to me at least.

[@Ellis_B]

She's a but weird isn't she

[@Jay121]

She's just excited and very earnest about what she's learned.

[@GDBROWN]

@@Jay121 She's not a nuke war expert.

[@GDBROWN]

She's just excited to sell her book thru fear tactics.

[@johnringoo756]

She's excited about selling books so she can build a shelter

[@andrewcarr2431]

There is a famous quote (cannot remember by whom) a General once said. "the only people who want to go to war are those who have never been".

[@gqrob28]

I believe every person should be educated on the effects of a nuclear war. Far too many people have no idea what the repercussions of nuclear war are. If they knew, they would vote differently, and demand that we do everything we can to avoid war.

[@GDBROWN]

I agree but don't refer people to this woman for that education.

[@robd5248]

Just as well no-one is provoking a nuclear power right now. Oh wait.... 😮

[@unclemurdablackandyellow5481]

NATO keep playing Russia provoking it

[@jasonkloos6348]

Yes. Blame the cart because the horse 💩the bed. 🤦

[@johnfish837]

So, we should just let them do whatever they want because we're scared of a nuclear war?

[@robd5248]

@@johnfish837 No, but it's not black & white like that. With a nuclear war, it's game over for everyone.

[@HR_8035_YEA]

No-one is provoking Russia. Your comment makes no sense.

[@volkerengels5298]

This dialogue is as sick as the circumstances which lead to make this a talk, that has to be taken serious. Should I try to translate this to my grandson? He's five....

[@bartsolari5035]

pretty sad

[@greggitav]

Nope. Let him live a carefree childhood…and buy him the doggy he has always wanted, soon. Pretend this is the last normal year we get.

[@volkerengels5298]

@@greggitav "Black ist Pink, my dear. And always be honest. Kiss" Before I was born a certain 'Edward Teller' promoted the H-Bomb. This was a Normal World? We are where we are BECAUSE we lie and cheat: Climate Change, Species extinction, Accumulation of money & power. Of course I understand what you mean - but what will I answer if he asks me in 10 years why I lied to him? A Rhodesian Ridgeback is a good idea though :))

[@Vub.]

How far would it spread out from DC?

[@TinaHenderson-cl9mb]

Well I don't think taking doors off hinges and filling pillowcases with sand to. Build an indoor shelter can realistically be done in 15 minutes. Not when the better half is asking where the screwdriver is and middle son doesn't stir from his slumber til 10.30

[@kaspan5]

What about defensive weapons? Don't we have missiles to intercept?

[@JohnsJohnson-ns5xm]

Moves and countermoves. Some interceptors so now some hypersonic missiles.

[@davidstegne3036]

​@@JohnsJohnson-ns5xmAll ICBM'S and SLBM's are hypersonic. Anti ballistic missiles are 50/50 at absolute best.

[@utubeballbag]

Short answer, there arent enough of them. And they dont work. Essentially we are all dead if the button is pushed. When i say we i mean anything that walks, breaths , flys or swims

[@johnfish837]

@@utubeballbag Doubtful....Gigantic asteroids have hit earth several times and life still survived.

[@matthewmckinney6164]

​@@davidstegne3036I think he means hypersonic glide vehicles.

[@travisj9307]

Most of what she shared has all been well known for decades. She’s a journalist?

[@--SPQR--]

Exactly. I haven't learned anything.

[@jrr3944]

@@--SPQR--whats there to learn besides we’re fkd? lol

[@GDBROWN]

She's a journalist who wrote spy thrillers.

[@fruscht]

So.. duck and cover won't work?

[@smokegrindingwigwom3988]

We will still have cell service right?