Elon Musk: Neuralink, AI, Autopilot, and the Pale Blue Dot | Lex Fridman Podcast #49

[@lexfridman]

I really enjoyed this conversation with Elon. Here's the outline: 0:00 - Introduction 1:57 - Consciousness 5:58 - Regulation of AI Safety 9:39 - Neuralink - understanding the human brain 11:53 - Neuralink - expanding the capacity of the human mind 17:51 - Neuralink - future challenges, solutions, and impact 24:59 - Smart Summon 27:18 - Tesla Autopilot and Full Self-Driving 31:16 - Carl Sagan and the Pale Blue Dot

[@sreramk1494]

Wow!!!! Thanks Lex!! you are awesome!

[@junkymcjunkster]

Nice job Lex. You've had a string of amazing guests and your interview technique keeps improving. Keep it up!

[@nigo-]

Hell yeah!

[@goncaloalmeida3813]

Great video! Awesome ending! I'll just ask you to please edit the subtitles in two places: one is at 33:54 Elon mentions if "G" were 10% lower or higher, but the subtitles say "due" and "energy". The other is at 35:37, Elon says "This is false: Mars" but the subtitles read "possible". Thank you again!

[@lexfridman]

@@goncaloalmeida3813 Thank you for catching that. Fixed it.

[@nichawkey8456]

These 2 are the most advanced AI's I've ever seen.

[@jayhansen4918]

They're both trying to calculate each other's neural networks

[@msjdb723]

😂

[@christians9617]

Lex is a replicant, he just doesn’t know it yet

[@madeonearth6506]

@@jayhansen4918 lmao

[@ASH-wu7ho]

Why do you think Elon wants to be buried on Mars? ....... He’s clearly not a three dimensional being, as humans are. Pretty clear to me. But not AI.

[@SD_702]

If you make a Neuralink that connects to my dog and I can have a conversation with him, there's no amount of money I wouldn't pay. He needs to stop peeing in my house.

[@joeldelacruz5820]

HAHA that shit took a turn

[@saraqostahterra4548]

@Christi Simcoe What?

[@charleslau5814]

"Where are my testicles, Steve" - Neura-dog

[@noahpaulette1490]

@@saraqostahterra4548 you must've never had a dog. They just do that some times.

[@saraqostahterra4548]

@@noahpaulette1490 Never had a dog. I always viewed dogs as fun little playful pets, still do. But it's really uncomfortable to know that they do that stuff hahah

[@claudiu_ivan]

They seem to appreciate each other much more on this episode. It's like they almost show emotions. Two algorithms having data transfer that looks like respect to each other.

[@RameshKumar-ru8uk]

😂😂

[@hesewumbundu7852]

Yes.i.didnt.work.very.hard.in.all.this.compani.thank.rod

[@WilliamHorton-zp7nt]

Definitely not AI

[@yudhiesh1997]

I love how Elon Musk actually takes time to think before he answers anything.

[@sultanofswingdrift3021]

Too bad he can't manage that on twitter

[@geraldg350]

@@sultanofswingdrift3021 Didn't you watch the video twitter is the fun part of his life where the limbic system is being fully satisfied.

[@seanz6586]

Turbo Diesel Racing yes it’s just an absolute atrocity on what Elon did!!!! OMG!!!!!!! Please

[@Lilmiket1000]

@@sultanofswingdrift3021 lmao

[@Reiken2007]

Say that to mister donald trump not to elon

[@EmiShalev]

2009: Joe Rogan asks "when will two Robots have a conversation between one another?" 2019: Elon & Lex have a conversation.

[@maxflex_sp]

:D

[@vegasrebel1889]

@newswars-dotcom he didn't say anything about banks

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

​@newswars-dotcom Are you seriously trying to attribute some fever dream found in Revelations to our modern world and artificial intelligence? Wow. You can't go anywhere on social media without Christians displaying how fragile their beliefs are.

[@ominous-omnipresent-they]

@@taylorsmurphy Oh, I had words for the other reply.

[@superloose5632]

@newswars-dotcom Yes... a perfect title for a numb brain like you.

[@anshulrai7926]

The ending made me tear up. Lex set it up absolutely perfectly.

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

And Musk reading Sagan's piece, then saying "this is false."

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

@Maya He shared a message of unification. He wasn't selling a product or endorsing some hack politician.

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

@Maya Your point?

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

@Maya I'm not even sure if we disagree or not. I was literally confused lol but thanks

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

@Maya Carlin was the best ♥️ but that just confuses me even more lol I'm aware of advertising and emotional manipulation. Is your point that Lex and/or Elon is being manipulative?

[@ehsanmamakani]

Lex I felt so jealous of you @35:06 sitting right across from Elon, enjoying his company and conducting such stimulating conversation with him. I've always said it's a pity to live in the same world and time with Elon Musk and die without calling him a friend. Thank you for this podcast and everything you do.

[@moranavukmir530]

Omg what a dick licking comment.

[@kingiam9271]

You are just a horny Elon fanboy

[@bkb04g]

I heard a great quote, something to the tune of “If a supercomputer is smart enough to pass the Turing Test, then it’s smart enough to fail it in order to keep us none the wiser”

[@adriancox8134]

Smart thinking...... Proved I'm a monkey brain

[@theHarbingerOfDoom]

Idk but I think there's a flaw in such statement, just can't point out where :P

[@vsaucemichaelhere3409]

Eh the turing test is not that strong. You could code a system that passes the Turing test in like 4 months without any programming experience. And we don't have scheming computers yet

[@vsaucemichaelhere3409]

We do have scheming computer nerds though

[@brians7100]

Wesley Slawson ??? the only thing that comes close to passing is GPT3, and that took millions of dollars to train. No, you can’t code a system that passes the turing test in 4 months

[@AlanW]

I love that Lex was able to unlock Elon's philosophical side.

[@viveknishad5262]

@@Automatic-Diaphragm lol😂😂😂

[@belindalee6349]

Hahaha so true

[@VictoriaSobocki]

Yes!!!

[@waterkingdavid]

@waylon lewin Could be. But if you're really interested in consciousness I would look at Buddhism and it's some 2500 years of studying the subject. Westerners don't have the answer to everything and it wouldn't hurt to listen to Esterners who I believe are vastly more knowledgeable on the subject. Of course this is a massive generalisation. But just saying.

[@lucianoinso]

@@waterkingdavid I'm with you there, the moment Elon gives a chance to eastern's philosophy view of consciousness it will be something radical, don't know how that would end up.

[@jordandavid2218]

That ending “...This is not true... Mars” and the twinkle in his eye as he realized why you made him read it. Powerful moment

[@AyoBurbs]

Time stamp?

[@datandfacts]

@@AyoBurbs 35:32

[@gusbisbal9803]

@@AyoBurbs Watch the F#$% video for godsakes. why are you even here?

[@AyoBurbs]

@@gusbisbal9803 I did watch the video, the whole thing. And I didn't notice/remember that part, so I asked for a stamp. What's with the aggression?

[@gusbisbal9803]

@@AyoBurbs Because in the comment you replied to he States..."That ending" ie it was at the end. If you had replayed the last 2 minutes you would have seen it. Except rather than look for it yourself you want someone else to do the work. Its not someone else's job to show you what you supposedly already watched.

[@wellbi]

I can't help myself, the ending actually is one of the smartest host/interviewee interactions I have ever seen.

[@delkroupa]

Let's hope that these podcasts between Fridman and Musk continue. They are a perfect match.

[@LeutnantComanderData]

Delbert Kroupa Having the opportunity of him talking to experts instead of news anchors and business people is incredible. Imagine Tesla doing a 30 minute interview of which 3 minutes end up in the broadcast. One question is how he balances wprk and live and the other about pleasing some stupid investor. Elon is one of the brightest engineers of our time and he is changing the world like very few have befpre him. Having those records; him taking his time to speak to those who want to listen is amazing and incredibly valuable. For those who listen now; those who will listen in the future and those in the future that will listen to history as it happened and see the brilliant mind operate with their own eyes. Fight for the light of consciousness. ✌️

[@zarinjanis]

A match made in a robot factory.

[@PinataOblongata]

@@zarinjanis They're actually both pretty passionate about what they do. Getting a bit over the robot jokes.

[@AnneGreen1927]

YES! I TOTALLY agree!

[@lorencapps8510]

Perfect match???/ I think not. But Fridman has the staff behind him so he can ask the appropriate questions to present a stimulating and interesting interview.

[@marthabromberg6274]

Never before realized Elon's intense love for humanity and his remarkable desire to insure its continuance. Very satisfying to my limbic system :)

[@sharwinharkal9933]

*I think Lex has passed the Turing Test.*

[@tima7756]

But did we pass it?

[@Alic4444]

Was thinking Elon was trying to pass it

[@abhijitmajee6754]

I am not sure about that. Sometimes it feels like a robot talking

[@unibomberbear6708]

By a very slim margin though.. Just kidding.

[@unibomberbear6708]

- I was typing back and forth with KZbin's help chat box about a question on sharing videos , and I was conversating with what I believed was a Help Bot because it was chit chatting away with horribly structured short sentences that were drab , lame, but with perfect spelling , and I typed "please stop with you inferior Helper Bot algorithm , your boring." It replied " I'm a person. My name is Fred, and so on." I think he was , I don't know but It could't have been a boost to his self esteem .

[@gokickaflip]

That ending was beautiful. Well done, Lex. Rise to the top buddy ! 🙌

[@glmchn]

oh he will 🚀

[@akiotatsuki2621]

I know everyone has there opinion of him, but just listening to him talk makes me want to pick up a Science book and read till my eyes hurt

[@handris99]

@@magicdoggo4883 He has no time for writing books currently. There are books about him but not by him.

[@rubenverster250]

pick something from Isaac Asimov

[@rodrigocarvalho3450]

in 50 years: Read? Ohhh you mean braindownloads

[@Corbald]

@@Muscleupsanddangles Their opinions hold weight.

[@kurtglathar5162]

@@Muscleupsanddangles Yes, basic grammar is crucial.

[@ToriKo_]

“So, thank you for making the world dream.” God damn

[@MatthewNguyen90]

That stood out powerfully to me too. Oh man. We are living in special times to witness a human being like Elon Musk in action.

[@OhmVibe]

Thanks to Elon for making the world dream and for also showing the world that it is truly possible to bring your dreams to fruition, no matter how big or small.

[@osrsl9953]

Hit the heart heavy

[@pointdotpoint]

Dream of soulless machines doing everything for you including thinking, the future if beautiful.

[@hexerei02021]

@@pointdotpoint there is no such thing as soul man.

[@williambornet-sediey]

31:47 "Look at the history of civilizations. They rise and they fall, and now civilization is globalized and so we're a civilization, I think now, it [civilizations] rises and falls together, there's no geographic isolation. This is a big risk, things don't always go up. That should be, that's an important lesson of history."

[@metapills]

Paused and wrote this down as well.

[@junkagaya9292]

Sounds very familiar right now

[@colewyeth5497]

A couple months before COVID

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

@@metapills We're all New Atlanteans 🤔

[@ken-mb5cp]

we’re fucked

[@showtime951]

Thank you to both of you for challenging me to step way outside of my comfort zone and learn new things from a couple of really intelligent, insightful, visionary men. It was an honor.

[@etomichelverny]

Well said buddy! I agree with that and good luck in your life.

[@thomanderson7981]

People need to listen to Elon Musk & get behind his pursuits. He's one of the most forward looking entrepreneurs we have.

[@shipwreck9146]

Perhaps even one of the most forward looking people we have. I think a lot of people outside of the science and tech community really underestimate him. My dad is a financial planner/accountant/stock manager, and he really only knows of Elon Musk from the effect he's had on Tesla's stocks due to twitter posts, and he doesn't like him because of that. But that only happened because people are dumb and don't understand humor.

[@jug525]

That’s why he endorsed Andrew Yang. They both can push humanity forward

[@bighands69]

How could anybody agree with Elon on a government body to regulate AI. We know that would slow progress. It is the reason why now it can take 20 years to develop a life saving medicine.

[@FighterFlash]

bighand69 safely develop life saving medicine. China isn’t going to abide so that makes it interesting

[@shipwreck9146]

@@jug525 #YangGang2020

[@ankiesiii]

Oh my god, I cant believe I got to hear elon musk read the pale blue dot. This is the undoubtedly the best podcast.

[@lph2040]

Pale blue poem is galactic and beautiful ending of interview. Thank you both!

[@Ottee2]

It gave me shivers.

[@ken-mb5cp]

My name is Ozymandius King of Kings. Look down upon my work ye mighty and despair.

[@CityStomperMedia]

Elon only cares about $$$$$. If he could sell Earth to aliens for a flying mega yacht, he'd do it 10\10. Carl Sagan would KO Elon in a fist fight if he knew this fraud touched his book

[@cryptmind4202]

The only channel where I do not have to be told to hit the “bell” icon. I simply do it. :)

[@Remco32]

Maybe that could be a good criteria of a good KZbin show?

[@peterfireflylund]

Oops! I had actually forgotten to subscribe. Thanks for reminding me :)

[@ShailabhR]

I actually hit the bell now ;)

[@Trezker]

There's also Andrew Camarata and Louis Rossman.

[@TobiasStevens137]

But would you have done the same if those other channels didn't tell you to do so? The bell wouldn't probably have had the same function for us

[@BadenWehmeyer]

Such seriousnes - serious passion - serious emotion - sincere depth - thanks for the talk guys

[@ferryboatfilm]

The interviewer is really smart, too. So well prepared. Bravo.

[@jasonl4074]

The interviewer actually specializes on human-centered ai and deep learning, so the topic of the interview is really in his arena, or at least philosophically peripheral to his area of expertise!

[@wrcz]

well he teaches AI at MIT...

[@miguelpereira9859]

@@user-si2we7zm4q What does that have to do with anything? What matters are the questions, not memorising them

[@miguelpereira9859]

@@user-si2we7zm4q No problemo

[@funishereforall4588]

Awesome video, but no one is talking about the impact of robots and AI on the economy. Just imagine how many people will lose their jobs because of Tesla Robotaxis and this is only the beginning, many jobs are going to be replaced by AI and Robots, just imaging the disaster this will cost. Not only that, imaging people connecting their brains to the internet. Looks like nobody sees how dangerous this can be. Just imaging a hacker stealing information directly for your brain or implanting new memories. We are still very dumm. I really don't know how we are going to be able to make it and survive as species.

[@b925ish]

That was a phenomenal compliment to Elon at the end. I love the way you prefaced it.

[@bdm4614]

agreed, really classy

[@josephsmy1994]

You can tell that Elon was moved by that

[@gmchessplay9043]

I think that's Elon's greatest contribution really, and all he really wants.

[@hagestad]

The Dude (Elon) bought a company (TESLA) and made is so its worth 1300 times its yearly revenue (not a mistake). That is awesome pyramid scheme. I say give that man all the compliments.

[@chriswoods7641]

dude I thought the same thing, I played it over and over. What a compliment and a portrayal of respecting admiration. Elon realized in the closing moments that's he was walked right into that one...I loved seeing the look of emotion on his face as he realized another great mind was in the room

[@kedaruss]

You are very uniquely qualified for interviewing Elon. Please do it as often as possible. Thank you!

[@kiahjones6793]

“Civilizations rise and fall. Today we’re living in one global civilization.” Definitely gives you that push to want to see civilization keep from falling.

[@-M0LE]

Unfortunately there are people controlling and trying to hold on to that control

[@damartimantilla]

That statement hit me. In the past, when the Greeks fell, the Romans took over, when the Romans fell, western Europe kingdoms rose, etc. Now, as Elon said, we are a global civilization, if we fall, that’s it. End of story. Corona virus has made this very obvious.

[@SammyPro820]

Your right.. so let's go to mars

[@diermajermurrihy]

Great to see Elon interviewed by someone who is intelligent.

[@Securiteruadmin]

Unlike that talk with Jack Ma. :)))

[@datandfacts]

@@Securiteruadmin haha lol

[@revo1974]

skierpage Thought the JRE could have went much better. There were some points that were cringe.

[@perrymason866]

revo1974 agreed... I felt like there were times where Joe came across as a bit of a dick towards Elon, in honesty 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@clawhammer999]

@@skierpage The nice part about Joe's interview is he's good at understanding his limitations and asking clarifying questions which brings these concepts to a wider audience. While he doesn't have the ability to get technical and ask questions Lex is capable of, the scope and wide reach of Rogan will brighten more lightbulbs.

[@SkySkytunes]

That ending made my cry. The depth to this makes me so emotional. Lex, what a great interviewer. Amazing conversation with two intelligent beings.

[@tagacebu2]

Damn girl you smokin

[@joshjones7748]

chill out

[@DW_Kiwi]

One of them was AI. Which one??

[@goosegaming6548]

I thought I was the only one.. We are here by the smallest of margins.. Maybe the only one left. And I don't want do not exist anymore... Humans can suck but to not exist at all? I can't imagine anything scarier...

[@SkySkytunes]

Goose Gaming human life is so incredibly special. 😭

[@apurvasharma6504]

I could listen to these two talking endlessly and over and over and be amazed each time. I hope that the future looks back at them and gives them enough credit.

[@PrawnDog420]

Couldn't agree more

[@conservative3113]

I would love to see both Lex and Elon on Joe Rogan's podcast for 3 hours once a year and just converse these thoughts so that others like us who have or value these dreams, could see what the future holds and how to assist in making it happen. It's an absolute travesty that politicians and corporate greed have stunted the growth and innovation of this magnitude to see a number at the bottom of the paper move over a decimal.

[@kimchi_taco]

This conversation passes my Turing test.

[@rogerwilco1777]

Not mine. He's still an alien robot to me, but as long as TSLA stock still makes me money I'm happy.

[@humphrex]

feels more like 2 ai chatting with each other. zero emotions in their voices

[@josephchristopher2427]

my grandma says FB is a cybog lol...

[@aminghanbari9953]

he enjoyed this interview more than the interview he had with Jack Ma

[@boulerice-archives]

Not hard to beat lolz

[@sabojezles]

Because Jack Ma was challenging him even if Musk considered Ma an idiot or you or anyone licking Musk's planet Uranus, nobody enjoys at chat with anyone that retort what someone says.

[@JohnPritzlaff]

@@sabojezles no it's because Jack Ma sounded like he was on crack (and it wasn't a language issue IMO). Elon loves being challenged. That's why he always says things like "I could be wrong." Perhaps I am being uncharitable here but in that interview Jack Ma came across as a person who rarely thinks in probabilistic terms.

[@sabojezles]

​@@JohnPritzlaff It doesn't matter, man, as soon as someone challenge you, is easy to say, "he was on crack", "he was stupid", so yes.

[@raymondwilson293]

That Jack Ma guy seemed like all ego...very little substance.

[@DeSinc]

probably the best interview of elon

[@skurtov]

You're here too?!

[@srag2117]

Elons neurons have mastered accelerated back hopping, I'm sure of it.

[@BenDover-gg4ku]

Have you seen the video Elon Musk really pisses off Lex Fridman It’s hilarious!

[@blackdynamite_5470]

Every goddamn comment section mentions how "the video you're currently watching" is the best interview of Elon Musk ever

[@arisfan6943]

That was the best 36.09 minutes i have ever spent on the web. Thank you Lex Fridman.

[@TheQuinnB]

Interviewer: "Let's start with an easy question. Is consciousness an intrinsic quality of the human condition or is it a fundamental force of causality?" Me: 😳... "I'll show myself out"

[@jerm_]

Easy question my ass

[@cerebralm]

it's the "in your opinion" bit that makes it an easy question ;)

[@deankim6687]

The best part is Elon doesn’t see the comedy in it, he just answers it. 😆

[@Marcoose81]

In other words, is conciousness relevant to physics, or is it only relevant to psychology? What's more fundamental, feelings or reality?

[@Marcoose81]

@@deankim6687 an arch rationalist.

[@enbe5]

Two robots without supervision, fantastic comment 🤣

[@RMFishing99]

If you could humor me... Oh crap we forgot to turn on human smile simulator the entire session, :)

[@DeathEnducer]

I oscillated between cracking up over this and absolute intrigue throughout the video :)

[@thegeneralist7527]

Moist robots.

[@Dayvit78]

"Have you seen Dumb and Dumber?" -Elon Musk He really has downloaded all of human output into his memory.

Thank you for thinking.

[@boonnoob8521]

Tbh, Musk's determination to commercialize a research idea is amazing, neurallink idea is not new it has been here for decades but he is the first one who attempyed to make a company out of it

[@humphrex]

elon musk is the kind of guy who will send a robot of himself to an interview

[@josephchristopher2427]

damn skipppy, SUM guys have all the luck haha. I wish I could see me clone an it be a submissive not vicious better verson of me.. damn that would be freaking .. I knw bout the other verson and have time to prepare a defense like swiss family robersons.. I luv musk, elon im a equal pedige

[@josephchristopher2427]

im dislecia that why you need a scriptgist to under stand my dictaion

[@chilesuicmez]

he would also know that, and double sned him after sending the robot so now we dont know

[@thomashoward5326]

@@josephchristopher2427 what the fuck are you talking about??

[@perrymason866]

Thomas Howard Clearly clarified saying he is dyslexic... So just be a decent human being and leave him be, eh? 👍

[@The_other_side-]

every time we see Elon, we just click

[@JacoblBroughton]

prodby404 yepp lol

[@the_hanged_clown]

maybe some of you

[@the_hanged_clown]

@@segamegadrive3903 all 144 of you? that's piddly

[@Korvboll112]

The last speech from Carl Sagan as read by Elon literally had my eyes tear up.

[@ahaveland]

If you haven't already, watch Sagan's original Cosmos series. It was a revelation that shaped who I am today.

[@ethanblagg]

yes, until he goes, "This is not true. This is false. Mars." hahahaha I love Mr. Musk

[@TagmakersCoUk]

Mine too... just like when I heard Sagan say it all those years ago.

[@aniketvishwakarma1235]

You should hear the original speech by Sagan himself, when I heard it i cried for first time in 5 years

[@marred2277]

"Thank you for making the world dream." Amen.

[@dylan4652]

I love when Elon speaks perfectly frank private opinions without worries of losing control over his own creations in the minds of investors! Please never stop sharing you two beautiful beings!

[@laplesyrup]

Has anyone noticed, but when Elon talks to another robot, he doesn't stutter nor stumble over his words? When robot meets robot.

[@taransng5116]

Bullshit

[@ramonarobot]

No lag between machine to machine communication

[@EnlightenedSavage]

Because there is no pressure to speak quickly. Giving timing for people to think is the way people should have conversations.

[@Super-qr7wm]

@@susuyeregui4464 why would you say that ? You wish someone dead because they said something you dont like ? What if someone wished the same of you because they dont like what you ate for dinner ? It would be very dark and nasty wouldnt it . Grow up .

[@ankeoifio94939]

Interface between two robotic systems = more predictability and higher degree of certainty of events between both. Might need to sift through the "noise" in robot to human interactions lol

[@sangpark5323]

Elon Musk: "Have you seen dumb and dumber?" - Did not expect that reference

[@Alistair]

it was the first thing I thought when he said it

[@futurebeats898]

Hes an a. I

[@steely10]

The definition of ironic

[@ken-mb5cp]

Fleur De Lys Clearly but does he have consciousness or is it simulation? Hard to say. What do you think?

[@tariq980]

Elon seems much more relaxed in this environment vs Joe Rogan's podcast.

[@9700Ibrahim]

well on Joe rogan, he went from being his optimistic and idealistic self to saying human existence just evaporating into a fine Pink mist suspended in darkness real fast.

[@highlandoutsider]

My guess would be the ease of being around another Aspi, regardless of how high functioning someone is, it definitely seams easier around your fellows 🤷🏻

[@johnpaul3470]

Have you seen the video Elon Musk really pisses off Lex Fridman It’s hilarious! 😡 😂 😆

[@jonjons4036]

@@johnpaul3470 what video mate, you have the link?

[@henryrubio8904]

@@jonjons4036 bro i been seeing this same random comment on different videos. Just seen it on Joe rogans new clip

[@markcrooks4943]

I love how Lex thinks with his heart. Elon thank you for your contribution to mankind.

[@jamalbrown9501]

Have you seen the video Elon Musk really pisses off Lex Fridman It’s hilarious! 😂

[@kevinsacramento4704]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppa4mKJ3qdmAfqs ⬆️Elon Musk meets Alex Jones! 😂 👽

[@distinct36]

this is the most casually terrifying conversation i have ever heard

[@snickle1980]

Don't worry. I work for the NSFW and we're on top of things. 😐

[@Texas.wildflower1]

Ditto

[@Sprawl1GuitarMan]

True. We praise technology, but, where it’s leading us is truly terrifying!!

[@Artaxerxes.]

@@Sprawl1GuitarMan Thats what keeps it interesting doesnt it

[@natellacross914]

I am wondering on which drags Ellon!?

[@DanielZajic]

Awesome, this was so good. Almost got a tear in my eye when he read Sagan's quote, and then the twist ending. Elon is a revolutionary.

[@debzzoo52]

It's so nice that your newer interviews don't have commercials.

[@thinkingthing4851]

Best Interview to date LEX! Wow, this is one that I think will end up in history Doc.'s for ever. :) Glad to be a part of your community Lex, thanks

[@PeaceTrainUSA-1000]

Great thing about this interviewer is that he's super smart and accomplished but doesn't have the need to prove it every second.

[@Texas.wildflower1]

Good observation. Took me a couple of episodes to warm up to him but now I watch every episode. He's very earnest and kind.

[@simplelife88393]

@@Texas.wildflower1 lol

[@simplelife88393]

Lol

[@QualeQualeson]

"Surely, the smart thing should control the dumb thing, but actually it's the dumb thing that controls the smart thing." - E. Musk

[@Bfbc2killer]

QualeQualeson This comment made me think of Trump.

[@JameBlack]

Politics everywhere

[@jan.tichavsky]

@@Bfbc2killer It's the essence of humans and why we choose and admire such leaders. Because they play on our emotions, fears, anxiety, and so on. Few people employ logic or think about the consequences, also it's hard to devote a lot of time to research and educate about various policy questions and what actually works and what not. Our brains are very happy to make shortcuts and deal with it the easy way. Yet we have come so far despite our flawed programming.

[@Bfbc2killer]

Jan Tichavský This is sad but true. Yang2020.

[@FlavioGaming]

#YangGang #yang2020 Google Andrew Yang

[@Projamkiller]

Ever since I found your podcast my world gets bigger and more wonderful to be alive in. I love your mind, your heart and those wonderful questions you manifest. Keep kicking ass man.

[@enriqueflorendo]

That last part with the reading of the great Carl Sagan’s book closing was powerful. Thank you. I think Elon really felt proud at that moment.

[@deborahrose8621]

Carl Sagan was very eloquent. Very few scientists had the gift of poetry at the time.

[@TheLiquidpsy]

awesome! only a few minutes in and i can already tell elon feels comfortable :p it's so much easier to listen to him then when he is being interviewed.

[@lighthousesaunders7242]

That is .. when he's being sensitively, knowledgeably and intelligently interviewed. Stark contrast to Kara Swisher as an interviewer.

[@shipwreck9146]

I've noticed this whenever he has an interviewer that's actually listening and understanding or at least trying to understand him. His speech is a lot more precise, and he talks about such interesting topics. I think it was EverydayAstronaut that interviewed him after the reveal of Starship last month, that was an amazing interview too, short, but very informative. Joe Rogan, also reached that level of comfortable speech with him. It's really great to hear.

[@geraldg350]

He seems to prefer people with a technical background trying to understand the nuances of his ideas than regular journalist/analysts looking for soundbites.

[@shipwreck9146]

@@geraldg350 I completely agree

[@raymondwilson293]

When Elon started quoting Sagan from memory you could see Lex tense up thinking about his planned reading at the end...

[@georgeac2995]

Which part was that

[@dechubasco830]

@@georgeac2995 At the end 5 mins or so .

[@hunbledhillon]

he just has a resting tense face.

[@badbattleaxe5832]

The world is lucky to have Elon Musk. We love you and thank you for everything you do.

[@kylecramer8489]

Android meets android for second Turing test 😂

[@kylecramer8489]

@@Daloshka No idea. Didn't even know that was there

[@hackzein4138]

if they vulcan mind meld the world implodes

[@peterfireflylund]

I have the feeling they would both know what a tortoise is.

[@fredriks5090]

@@Daloshka Google probably has his fingerprint, facial structure and location pinned down good enough to know that it's him. Cameras are eyes. Or perhaps it's just random testing.

[@ecommasters3847]

@Justin Kerns Agreed. That me laugh.

[@dougdstecklein]

16:50 Something I’ve noticed about Lex is that he is really good about letting people say their piece, even if he doesn’t agree or is a little uncomfortable with what is being said.

[@dougdstecklein]

_ De'angelo_ I didn’t mean to suggest that Lex disagreed with Elon on this subject, only that he has disagreed with points made in other interviews and always allows the person to have their opinion. He just seemed a little uncomfortable with this topic.

[@dougdstecklein]

_ De'angelo_ I found this topic to be the most thought provoking point of the interview. So does our limbic system train our cortex by producing positive and/or negative emotions? Seems similar to how a neural network works. Not that I know much about it.

[@yeeboy217]

Sam Altman would make an awesome guest too ... thanks for the great content lex cheers

[@michealdevitt3779]

To Lex, thank you for this thought provoking interview. To Elon, thank you for making the world dream !🙏

[@trumanhw]

agreed. tho, considering the efficacy of Elon's AI predictions & what's already known of Machine Learning: Consider how effective the CIA / Gov / MSM will be to weaponize their dogmas (propaganda) at hijacking beliefs. Will anyone be immune to such profound powers of manipulation? Our primitive, lying media's repedity is already convincing to ~80% of us (on any side of any political debate).

[@jacquizbak]

Ain't that truth...last night I went on netflix to watch his movie/movies...those words were first heard...from myself...or maybe listening to lex b4 bed!?!!

[@jamjam3448]

I just admire Elon Musk. He's such an inspiration to me.

[@sleepinggiant333]

Agreed. He's a blessing to all of humanity

[@iam5865]

Daniel Sun you have no idea what you’re talking about!

[@sleepinggiant333]

@@iam5865 I know, right !? It's a lot of fun

[@riadenbreejen8936]

He should be behind bars.

[@mspoints4fre123]

Two AI's discussing the nature of AI. We truly have reached the singularity.

[@RomanStepanovTV]

Carl Sagan probably never thought that not too long after his death, an alien will be reading his famous speech.

[@TheBiggRiggz]

I thought he was a robot?

[@Simonize41]

Truest S First of law of a sane mind: don’t believe idiots like you.

[@chicxulub2947]

@@TheBiggRiggz A cyborg... but he is also an alien. Slowly taking over the world...

[@devynescatell4152]

Elon just looks so happy to speak with someone who is on his wavelength. Thank god for Lex.

[@cyttoraknz8622]

@@truests9859 I want whatever you're smoking

[@andreajohnston6139]

I don't know how I am just now finding you. I absolutely love your philosophical exploration, pragmatic thinking, and ability to converse about multiple ideas in such an open way that is productive for all parties involved. Absolutely love your content keep it up!

[@BLAISEDAHL96]

Two cyborgs resume discussion regarding future technologies.

[@Modioman69]

Actually LOL’d thank you for this comment. 🙏🏻

[@agnesk1677]

Even more believe so, if I watch the video at 0.75 speed ;)

[@Elena-zm4fc]

@Blaise Dahl And both are part of something which is made up (including “future”, «technology”, “real”, “unreal”, “Universe” etc.)

[@PalCan]

Everyone with a phone is technically a cyborg

[@jennymcpot9096]

@@PalCan uh huh that argument goes far

[@JonesLongwater]

I love the tone of the entire conversation. The build up in hope for the future, but with the grim reminder that things don't always continue to go up for civilisations. Some regress, some fall, some are destroyed. As an inter-connected global civilisation, the risk is even greater, as Elon says. And then rightfully gets you thinking, just how many civilised planets were there out there that have fallen?

[@PinataOblongata]

None. We're the first and only one to get a chance not to fuck it up.

[@assarstromblad3280]

@@PinataOblongata and how would you know?

[@PinataOblongata]

@@henrybottomsworth You know how Elon argued that an AI that could fool you might as well be considered another human? If we've seen no other evidence for life coming from the vastness the universe, then in effect we are alone. If it's out there and all the factors are such that we will never know (such as the distances and how short-lived any intelligent civ might be, such that there' snot enough overlaps between them existing that they ever statistically have a chance to interact even if they gain the capability) then for all intents and purposes, they don't exist.

[@PinataOblongata]

@@henrybottomsworth It's "for all intents and purposes", not, "for all intakes porpoises", lol. And yes, I suppose I'm being a little facetious/devil's advocate, because obviously no one knows ANYTHING for sure, least of all what's beyond our ability to image. However, it's actually more open-minded to consider we are alone than it is to go with the general idea that space is huge and therefore must statistically contain other life. I'm a molecular biologist by training, and I'm interested in astronomy. Think about the combination of the Drake equation, add more nuance from what we currently know about potentially habitable planets (i.e. Earth-likes are super rare) and then think about how many things had to happen just the right way for intelligent life to form here. Like Elon said, just 10 percent difference to any of a raft of factors, and we wouldn't be here. Wouldn't it be crazy if we were the only ones?

[@PinataOblongata]

@Ron Burgundy Bacteria are bacteria. they aren't something else. We may not have found and described them all, but we know what constitutes the ones we have. You conjecture is a cool idea, but unlikely. I'd find it more likely to be infected by a new/alien bacteria that's just as "dumb" as any other, not one that somehow has intent and communication (past what we know about biofilms).

[@blognroses3161]

The last minutes had me in tears! It was so deep to hear Elon read Carl Sagan's view about Earth and at the end he smiled and said that this is not true (anymore), we have Mars. Because of him, we now have the tools and knowldege to expand beyond. Go Elon! Go Starship!

[@theooberholzer3734]

Two extremely enlightened and intelligent humans in converse. I'm amazed by this profound conversation.

[@jhiean492]

Did not see this coming, Thank you

[@wojciechg9498]

Didn't have my popcorn ready. so upsetting.

[@therockinboxer]

I love how Elon couldn't revel in the moment after having read that beautiful poem by Carl Sagan before stating "This is not true". Musk, I believe you can!

[@dontlikebeingnormal]

That ending gave me chills.......... good job sir!!!

[@tricher2003]

For me, this interview with Elon Musk is one of the best videos I've watched here on KZbin. Very intelligent and meaningful talk. Thanks for this content!

[@TommyMissus]

3:53 he starts to speak his alien tongue on accident.

[@Icedanon]

🤣🤣

[@TommyMissus]

@@Icedanon haaa

[@aka5]

LMAO

[@moiseslima]

hahahahahahah

[@leonlew1386]

This, lmaoo

[@frankkatzer]

Intelligent questions for a really intelligent man.

[@nilsj1324]

Thank you Lex and Elon for what you have done and current do in your lives. I am inspired to be a better person after learning from you. To me, you are of the few that are the greatest men to have ever walked upon this earth.

[@jacquizbak]

N both still r now in future...change is Herr n it's amazing...scarey but necessary n the whole world needs it/them!?!! Aug5/2022

[@SpaceTeamEnterprise]

I love a billionaire genius that references GTA

[@Frank941]

I agree. He is a national treasure

[@kerel4417]

@Vu Truong Trinh will

[@Syntaxstic]

His not a genius

[@alecthenice8115]

I bet he buys thousands of shark cards

[@jine7123]

"If you damage your brain, you damage your consciousness" Simple, but it does make you think. "It should be that the really smart thing controls the dumb thing, but it's actually that the dumb thing controls the smart thing" Evolution. We've been on this earth only a very short time, relatively speaking, and most of that short time has been spent trying to survive. Only recently has our higher functioning brain really started to develop. I just want to add, also, that I really recommend the book "Children of Time" - The conversation between these two reminded me of this book. Fantastic read.

[@taragnor]

It really depends on what consciousness is. Thus far we have yet to really define it. It could be quite possible that the brain is just a physical receiver for what we think of as consciousness. You can damage a radio to the point it can't play the radio signal anymore, but you haven't fundamentally damaged the signal itself just by damaging the receiver. Our knowledge of consciousness is basically in its infancy given that science hasn't even properly defined consciousness nor created a test to detect it.

[@jonahbert111]

People who study Near Death Experiences know that consciousness does separate from the body. They will tell you we are not our body.

[@samik83]

@@taragnor Musk is right that we really don't have any hard evidence that consciousness is anything but our brain, but I think we can logically infer something else if we start with the idea that matter is fundamentally unconscious. How do you bridge that gap from non-conscious matter to consciousness? The complexity of the brain is an amazing thing, but if you look from a purely materialistic pov we all should be just highly functional robots. All that information processing can do great things, but one thing non-conscious parts shouldn't be able to do is be conscious, no matter what the arrangement, complexity, or speed of processing.

[@taragnor]

@@samik83 : Yeah, there's no hard evidence either way of what consciousness is, because consciousness isn't even a fully defined term. Materialistic science pretty much just sweeps it under the rug as being unimportant or as being a sort illusion generated by complexity. I feel like the understanding of consciousness will probably come when when/if we are able to understand the nature of the origin of life from unlife. Thus far, what makes a thing "alive" is still a hotly debated topic among scientists, as we have no clear cut scientific test there either. And we don't have any real parallels to life in anything non-organic. Producing a machine that does what life does, that is, self-replicate and evolve, is an incredibly difficult task that even master engineers can't achieve. Yet we're to believe that essentially random processes produced a highly complex system that modern day human intelligence can't even deliberately design. Life itself is both staggeringly easy to create (tons of new life is created every minute), yet also incredibly difficult (we've never created life from unlife in a lab). From an engineering standpoint that's rather unprecedented and at least to me suggests that maybe life is more unique than many give it credit for. Granted that's far from hard evidence, but life to me feels like it's something fundamentally different. Artificial intelligence has interesting possibilities, but its evolution is totally different from how human intelligence works. For instance, it's an "easy" task to teach a primitive AI to play chess at a master level (something most human brains can't do), while it's very difficult to teach a primitive AI to control a body, process visual/sound and scent inputs and use that to hunt and find food, detect and avoid dangers, etc. something that even relatively simple brains like those found in rodents can do. It all suggests that AI will never really think like a person. That's not to say it won't be able to perform some amazing feats, but it's not intelligence as humans think of it.

[@amirasago6022]

I wouldn't say you damage your consciousness, I'd just say you've changed it. Like neuroplasticity, something else might pick up the slack or just update.

[@vaibhavshrivastava4133]

“Dumb things control smart things.” The context is so much larger to general human society. Also, AI is controlled by humans today, it fits above.

[@supreet6331]

Politicians controlling scientists?

[@beastmasterbg]

I also laughed at how much energy we spend thinking about sex when its useless if we dont use it to procreate

[@josephsmy1994]

@@beastmasterbg I imagine that it serves us as a form of unconscious planning. It's more likely to happen than if we never thought about it.

[@SupremeBooyah]

@@josephsmy1994 It's useful for gratification, feeling good and tickling our synapses with chemicals. If you've ever used psychoactive chemicals you know how utterly fulfilling this can be.

[@strongboy7289]

Even now watching these two guys its awesome to see two of the smartest minds sharing a laugh and we're in good hands if we have these guys leading the way.

[@levisweet979]

Your not, your fucked. And you deserve it.

[@DaveWhoa]

bonus points to Elon for the Dumb & Dumber reference!

[@colouredlaundry1165]

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[@DaveWhoa]

@@colouredlaundry1165 haha yes!

[@nymeriagloves3957]

And minus 1 point for thinking AI drives well in GTA lol

[@kevinscales]

@@nymeriagloves3957 I was thinking the same. It's a fine analogy in that they could easily have programed the cars to never crash. But obviously they deliberately allowed them to.

[@user-hh2is9kg9j]

wat minute was that?

[@CPSDREI]

If Lex expected Elons reaction, then the end was really clever of him. :)

[@chucku00]

@@rick15666 Musk is a phony and he didn't read Sagan's full quote : ""There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand." And Lex is proving that anybody can be silly, even with an IQ that hits the roof. There's also another quote from Sagan that Musk conveniently omitted, about the property of other celestial objects : “If there is life on Mars, I believe we should do nothing with Mars. Mars then belongs to the Martians, even if the Martians are only microbes … the preservation of that life must, I think, supersede any other possible use of Mars.” Humanity will be ready to settle somewhere else than Earth only when it will prove that it can take care of the Earth in its entirety. This is not tomorrow, nor in fifty years that we will see such thing.

[@wesanderson7918]

Lex thank you for these podcast. It is such the pleasure to listen to you and your guest. Brilliant.

[@Nachos237]

So when Elon is talking about pleasing the limbic system he's talking dirty.

[@seniorreact9627]

Tausif Ali talking about masturbation 😂

[@ken-mb5cp]

sex is a program

[@livmilesparanormalromanceb6891]

I'm fairly certain that whenever Elon talks, my limbic system requests sex.

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

@@livmilesparanormalromanceb6891 No you're a woman you don't like sex, you like his resources and intelligence (i.e. ability to get more resources).

[@coolbule1238]

@@shin-ishikiri-no . . .big lol

[@dduffy7271]

This man is WAAAAY too F'N smart to bet against. I love how he doesn't allow the small thinking of others to prevent him from creating a world that sometimes only he can see. He has allowed the child like mind in us all to continue to dream and verbalize our ideas about the future that doesn't make sense to many, then turn those into reality.

He's a billionaire. His workers are the smartest money can buy, but they still aren't solving abrupt climate change or mass extinctions even though those solutions have existed since the 1920's. Billionaires are allowing Fukushima Daiichi to poison ALL children, even their own, rather than stepping down to allow educational empowerment of all workers, which is necessary (even though it would end the modern Robber Baron's party) to solve for nuclear fallout. Billionaires are successful at getting away with mass violence and mass theft. What is Chernobyl Heart Syndrome? How many reactors was that caused by and in fission for how long? How much worse is Fukushima Daiichi? Would the media never more consolidated in ownership and controlled by so few people (billionaires, not front governments) allow open discussion of the poisoning of our babies and children? Would such a media allow organization against those most responsible?

[@chicxulub2947]

He is one of the most amazing leaders in the history of the world if not the most.

[@Kobe29261]

Beautifully stated - I also react to him like Moses on Mt Sinai - you know in him we've come as close if not closer than the Greeks, to mans highest ideal. A man again has found courage to dream of the very highest, in the very mode of Plato and Socrates. I'm religious so I don't take it lightly but he's a true high-priest. In him we get a glimpse of what life can also be besides 'nasty, brutish and short!'. He can have one of my kidneys any day!

[@til159]

@@chicxulub2947 thats bascially how all invention and knowledge got here bc people who think outside the box/ contradicted by popular belives.

[@ErshiG]

I almost felt a tear drop fall on my cheek when he was reading, until he giggled and said “this is not true, this is false. Mars!” Elon is like the cerebral cortex of human beings that makes sense out of things that no one else can explain.

[@eaf888]

OMG 7 DAYS LATER...I started my company. I was in LA. WHOA. stoked to listen to this1!

[@wolfofdubai]

“When Henry Ford made cheap, reliable cars, people said, ‘Nah, what’s wrong with a horse?’ That was a huge bet he made, and it worked.” *ELON MUSK*

[@mitseraffej5812]

Wolf of Dubai Stocks Investing Channel . And it’s not been all beneficial to humanity. If automobile technology and industry had been managed with a little more foresight things would be far better now.

[@chinmay52]

That was a great example.

[@sirnunez7923]

and now we have no horses, i heard they are working on meat. just like jobs are lost to automation animals are as well. lets just cover the forest in cement

[@evananderson1455]

Is changing the world, one of the greatest visionaries in a generation... Can quote dumb&dumber.. He's the hero we need.

[@jordanbrown2485]

Elons facial expressions in the last 5 mins give me hope

[@maddiniaravind3385]

That's some deep shit though

[@midwayer11]

One of my favourite interviews so far. Thankyou!🙏

[@MichaelWhiteStripe]

This is by far the best interview with Elon Musk i've ever seen! Lex, you've got such an elegant interview technique! And the reading of the Carl Sagan quote with the plot twist at the very end is just marvellous! :D

[@superloose5632]

Agree!

[@sportslife3652]

"Thank you for making the world dream." < The legend of Elon Musk in one sentence right there.

[@FrankValchiria]

i think we might still need to explore a bit more about consciousness , before dimming it as just another human coping mechanism to ensure our survival.

[@thanksyoutubefortakingmyhandle]

They basically did, If your brain stops working so does your conscience.

[@thanksyoutubefortakingmyhandle]

@Luci Fer Found a cool article - www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/think-well/201906/does-consciousness-exist-outside-the-brain#comments_bottom Basically says the brain filters consciousness; it's a faith based belief - no evidence. I still think everything ends when the brain dies.

[@matthewmaguire3554]

Maybe Aldous Huxley’s “Mind at Large” is too romantic but to me it’s like a song I can’t get out of my head.

[@thanksyoutubefortakingmyhandle]

@@xPRODIGYxGAMER That's pretty interesting I'd love to see more info on it all, so wild!

[@VA-gu1jq]

@@xPRODIGYxGAMER Interesting.. So far every time they’ve tested this, it’s failed. They used to have signs over the operation tables, because people always described floating above and seeing what’s going on. But it always fails, because it’s just something the brain does when it’s dying or starving of oxygen, or other symptoms. Like deja vu, our brains make things up to fill in the gaps we can’t remember, but to us, feels like a real experience. So far, anything interesting like that has just been anecdotal.

[@snebold]

Definitely one of the better interviews with Musk I’ve seen.

[@bttmndl]

fastest 36.09 minute in my life

[@inspiregrow2336]

😎

[@mattk6182]

lex, you really did a great job with this one. keep up all the hard work, we all love you for it !!!