$20,000 Gibson Murphy Lab Greeny Les Paul Standard vs Gibson USA Greeny Les Paul Standard Sound Test

[@JokersWild70]

Their tones sound very, very similar to my ears. I think during the clean tones demo, the USA version sounds quieter, but the tones between the two are still nearly identical. Great demo

[@Hickeroar]

This was my impression. They sound the same except the USA seems quieter across the board. I have to wonder if a setting was changed somewhere in the post-guitar signal chain, or if the pickup heights were lower on the USA. The problem seemed to go away once overdrive/distortion was engaged.

[@OdinAllFather77]

Thank you so much. Needed this video!! I’ve been saving for the 3k version that I can almost afford. Thank you Abrazo Mexicano!! 🤘🏻🇲🇽🤘🏻🇲🇽🤘🏻🇲🇽🤘🏻

[@5150show]

Just brought the USA . Incredible guitar

[@tunnleking]

Seemed to me that the volume on the USA was turned down during the clean tones but other than that I thought they sounded pretty much the same. When the crunch was added I thought there was a couple of times the 20k sounded better and a couple of times that the USA sounded better. Bottom line for me is exactly what the guy said, if you want a good 50's style LP that is gonna do the out of phase sound thing then get it, it's going to be a good playing guitar. If you're the collector guy that wants the exact replica, then you're gonna have to come up with the 20k.

[@ThatRhythmMan]

Volume and tone were up all the way for both guitars.

[@tunnleking]

@@ThatRhythmMan I'm just curious, did you hear the volume difference when you were playing? Just seemed kinda weird to me. When you were doing the crunch tones I didn't notice any difference in volume.

[@CHRONOSMUSIC]

possible pot variance and or pickup height measurements that are different.

[@jburdsinfuse]

The satin flame and greeny-buckers make this a nice LP that’s not exactly like everything else on the market. And with the gain cranked, they’re 🔥

[@maxmonaco]

I’m not the one who feels the difference? 20k Greenie is a killer, no doubt 🔥 Honestly, bridge pickups are the most similar, because the difference between neck pickups are huge, as I hear.

[@dragan4658]

Thanks for the demo! Though different, both sound awesome!

[@brownsfan7753]

Very nice demo!! Thanks for this!!

[@ianmartens5286]

Josh from JHS told me that the glowing knobs come from vintage batteries that were melted down which obviously sound more vintage 😊😂

[@mrmetal1276]

On gibson site says "Custom Greeny Bucker with Flipped Alnico 2 Magnet; Reverse Mounted" for 20K model and "Greenybucker with Reversed Magnetic Polarity; Reverse Mounted" for the standard, so not the same pickups.

[@ThatRhythmMan]

The pickups are labeled exactly the same. That’s all I can tell you for sure. Someone would have to take pickups from each apart to prove they aren’t the same.

[@mrmetal1276]

@That Rhythm Man Guitars its a nice guitar but are the pick ups worth the extra cost of a faded 50s les paul?

[@ThatRhythmMan]

You could certainly grab a faded 50s and add a set of Monty’s Bethnal Green pickups and be a couple of hundred ahead. I’m sure you would lose that money and maybe more if you decided to sell though. The Burstbuckers in the faded 50s are okay pickups, but I do find the Greenybuckers to be better.

[@mrmetal1276]

@That Rhythm Man Guitars thanks for a good review i will wait for the epiphone greeny les paul with the good pickups in 🙏 or the Vintage V100 ReIssued Lemon Drop.

[@Hickeroar]

Wish we could see a head-to-head-to-head with the Epi Greeny included. In other USA vs Epi comparisons, they sound very very similar (which they should, since the pickups/electronics are the same).

[@ThatRhythmMan]

Both of these sold quite a while ago. I agree that it would be very interesting though.

[@donthewatcher]

i have the epiphone greeny version, are the 50k and 20k versions greenybuckers wax potted? the USA version has the same greenybuckers as the Epiphone i hear a slight difference in the murphy lab and USA version. I put a set of Greenybuckers on my Lazarus and wow , they took my guitar to another level. it would be nice if gibson sold wax potted greenybuckers . good review thanks Rhythm Man

[@brentwoods4802]

That’s not even close. Were these normalized for volume? Pickups the same distance from the strings? The USA sounds flat and lifeless but is it about overall volume output or is it about the guitars themselves. Is it a $17K difference? Of course not. But the Murphy sounds legit like an old guitar.

[@ThatRhythmMan]

The Murphy sounds more like a vintage guitar for sure. Check my other video comparing it to a ‘50s conversion LP with real PAFs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4e9lH5rds-BetU

[@AlexMenassa-l3d]

@@ThatRhythmMan I thought both guitars sounded very good. With a little more playing and age I feel the USA is actually the one to go for and will sound better over time.

[@jimjim7008]

I think the weight makes a huge difference. I have a '91 classic 8.3lb and a '97 standard 10lb. The '91 sounded very similat to the 20k greeny in thr video i.e. resonates more than the '97 in my case. Which is cool by me cause then i can justify keeping both guitars as they both sound and feel different. The '97 great for blues and classic rock while classic great for hard rock/metal.

[@Arthagnou]

youtube compresses the sound, your computer/phone isnt exactly the source for the best fidelity, then the pickups and hardware are virtually the same...so there shouldnt be any difference that the average youtube viewer could hear.

[@turboeagle4600]

Sounds like if the USA model was not all the way up on 10 (knobs), the difference is massive. I was expecting a very close difference but the Custom Shop one has way more resonance. Something is not ok here.

[@ThatRhythmMan]

The volume and tone were up all the way for both guitars. I would say that the $20k version was made of wood that was a bit more resonant.

[@yestoES355]

I mean it's pretty much a standard USA vs custom shop LP. the USA will always be a 2-3 piece body, no hide glue, short neck tenon, and be heavier. The custom shop will be the most accurate LP in terms of construction and small details like the plastics, pickup rings, knows and headstock shape. Especially the newer 2019+ historics since the new custombuckers sound so good

[@kyussjp]

Watching this demo, I would buy USA version and replace pickups. CS version sounds better but unable to justify the 17k USD price difference😅

[@These_go_to_eleven_1959]

How is Gibson justifying a $17,000 upcharge for the CS version??? That is insane!!

[@thelolguy007]

Huge difference. The Standard USA sounds thin, weak and poor compared to the 20k version On its own it sounded good (in other videos) but here next to the 20k version it’s poor

[@AlexMenassa-l3d]

wow..too me they sound very similar. The usa sounds nothing as you describe watched it with a few mates and we all agreed not much difference in sound at all and we all feel the USA will only sound better with age unlike the CS model

[@ashleyjackson8538]

You can hear some substantial differences . Even through a small speaker . I’m wondering if the front pickup is wired differently . Maybe more accurate replica on the custom shop . The standard . You might be able to change wiring configuration . Then that would make a difference .

[@Utube-g3g]

It is wired different.

[@derekclacton]

The $20k sounds better - it should do! But neither comes close to replicating either Peter Green’s or Gary Moore’s tones, here at least … Alan Dingwall has the Greeny tone nailed with his pickups ;)

[@fj5144]

Yeah, because to get the Moore or Green tone you need Gary Moore or Peter Green as both their tone comes from their fingers & souls. You can copy a guitar or copy a player's style, pedalboard, or songs but nothing beats the real thing!

[@derekclacton]

@@fj5144 Sadly, neither Peter nor Gary are alive now and for those wishing to channel something of their touch and tone, having the right gear is essential so the pickups are a crucial component in that aim.

[@sixslinger9951]

my Gibson Tribute Les Paul with 490s through PRS tube amp sounds better, at least from this example video. I have 2 Gibson standard too and I guarantee my Slash Standard sounds better and plays better.

[@cromBumny]

The means of recording is different...AND you haven't enshrined the new notes, like you have that which you used to listen too.

[@AlexMenassa-l3d]

You think a guitar will make you sound like Peter Green?? As for the guitars they both sounded good to me and the USA model will age better

[@adamwatson6916]

The USA version sounds slightly more clear but that is a matter of adjustments.

[@briant3404]

wondering if you adjust the pickup and pole piece heights in relation to the strings so that they will be the same on both guitars?

[@ThatRhythmMan]

Same height with the pole pieces left flat and flush, unadjusted.

[@RezaKhan2024]

They sound very different. Are you sure they are the same pickups? How different are the necks?

[@mortonwilson795]

I have seen on another review that the pick-ups are not the same in these two, so . . . ??? I think if I were to own this guitar I might try the Monty's Bethnal Greens as an option - they seem to be the boutique version of that Peter Green middle position sound that come out as pretty highly recommended - they certainly sound good!

[@thelolguy007]

They’re not the same pickups

[@ThatRhythmMan]

All I can tell you for sure is that the pickups are labeled exactly the same. I doubt they are sending different pickups with the same label to the custom shop, but who knows.

[@whatever6406]

they sound very different. But lets me honest very few people with justify the purchase of the ML Les Paul at 20K because of the sound. It'll be more like: "Peter says to joe "Bro this is copy of the kirk hammet greeny guitar - fuck yeah its dope" Joe: How much did you pay for it? Peter: 20K. Joe:20K!!! are you serious 20K!!! you DOPE!

[@adamwatson6916]

Both sound very close to the Gary Moore era of the greeny les paul

[@alexguitar841]

The difference sound wise is pretty nominal. The looks and feel I'm sure are quite different but I'd expect as much given the price.

[@ThatRhythmMan]

The feel is quite different. As expected, the Gibson USA one feels like a brand new guitar, while the custom shop one feels decidedly more “broken in”.

[@what1864]

if the price was the same i would pick the usa/non reliced guitar , let alone costing 7 times less ..

[@guitarmaster50]

Super❤

[@rareform6747]

This Post Low Volume ?

[@stephman02]

Not really sure what people expect from these shootouts. Didn’t we just go through the Klon Centaur vs Bad Monkey thing ? There is no objective difference which cannot be attributed to different guitars here ie: 2 Les Pauls will sound slightly or sometimes even very different and not because of their price. Fascinating maybe but it’s been done to death - if ure a guitar buyer, rest assured, there are plenty of sub $1000 guitar for sale that will b just as good and maybe even better than more expensive ones - and if you are a guitar lover, then there are pieces that you would just dream of playing and if u have the $, owning and not because they’re objectively better.

[@stevehughes1510]

More volume coming from the CS one..........would I pay $17k more for that and the other specs, most probably not.

[@saschakuss]

Shocking how differenr the guitars sound. The standard sounds thin and lifeless compared to the custom shop.

[@ANTHONYFERNANDO]

Oh come on, they sound ridiculously similar

[@orbitaljellyfish808]

After reviewing with a tighter a/b (I posted the time stamps) I think he just played the USA version more quietly.

[@BudgetRC_Channel]

​@@orbitaljellyfish808 either that or the pickups were a hair lower. Aside from the volume difference they sounded pretty much identical to me.

[@adamwatson6916]

@@ANTHONYFERNANDO exactly. The greeny pickups are where the sound comes from and the standard pickups sound almost identical to the pickups in the 50 000 dollar versions.

[@adamwatson6916]

And it's only 47 000 dollars more to get a thicker sound. The reality is they sound very close and with the stranded if you want a thicker sound roll down the tone knob or lower the treble on the amp and turn up the mids or change the pickup heights. I am not a believer and using the same settings in comparison videos as this is not how we use them in the real world. Everytime a switch guitars even going from one les paul to another even if they have the same pickups I always make amp adjustments I have seen people on guitar forums talkng about neo they got new pickups and decided they did not like them without even attempting to adjust their amps. You know the types who say I don't have time for that because it takes away from playing because I am a real guitar player who does not avoid playing by Wasting time with distractions such as Turing a amps treble pot up or down and the whole you guys waste time adjusting amps because you can't play. The same ones who post comments on forums talking about how people waste their time posting on forums instead of playing I am a real guitar player who spends his time playing not posting even though I am posting on a forum complaining about others posting while not playing. Then you look at their profile and they are a gold or sliver supporting member of the forum have been a member for for 15 years and have a post count of over 10 000 posts but they are real players who don't waste tien on forums. They also assume any new forum member is a teenager who Is a guitar newbie even if your 20 years older then them and having been playing longer.

[@orbitaljellyfish808]

2:26 2:49 3:12 3:37 4:00 4:25

[@ardaayhan4420]

Thats actually 3.2k

[@sgmarshall3]

Is the $3199 model for sale?

[@ThatRhythmMan]

It is available right now, but it’s not listed yet. Contact me if interested. ThatRhythmMan.com

[@jaewoungshim4967]

Guitar legend gary moore..

[@ButternoteBackingTracks]

Nice, but 20 grand...? 😳

[@paulgeorgia8013]

What an incredible waste of $17,000

[@JC.LC.]

Sounds like the real Gibson is made with a chunck of wet wood.

[@Chance-ry1hq]

GMAFB. Gibson reminds me of Beanie Babies. Oooh look what I have, and you don’t.

[@kendodd1]

Everyone hears what they "want" to hear, both of them are overpriced and Gibson has no shame

[@JP-rc2er]

What did you expect to pay. Epiphone greeny is about 1,400. And you wanna pay 1,400 for a USA Gibson greeny. I had the Epiphone Greeny what sucks is that truss rod was loose. Fret Ends were sharp. Epiphone sounded good. I just couldn’t spend with issues. I will be getting the USA Greeny. When it’s on sale 🤣

[@cromBumny]

Yeah, paying your employees a living wage...terrible idea, paying for their time off with their families...terrible idea, following government regulations and taxes....terrible idea

[@9th_note]

2 Guitars both of which are not worth what they cost and sound almost identical because they have the same electronics. Yep my take away from this video is Gibson is still over priced lol

[@honnaconna7312]

Satin!!! Ffs

[@fretboarder4752]

The USA guitars always seem to sound hotter and thinner..