20 Mile Double Run Day in the Nike Invincible 3

The Nike Invicible 3 is a max cushioned training shoe with a soft and bouncy feel. Since its the initial Invincible's release a few years aho, a slate of new shoes with beefed up tech like taller stack heights, dual-foam midsoles and carbon fiber plates has hit the market (Asics Superblast, and most recently the Hoka Skyward X and On Cloudmonster Hyper). In this video, I take the Invincible 3 out for a 20 mile double run day and give my thoughts on how it stacks up to its competitors.
0:00 - Intro
1:19 - Morning Run Prep
5:23 - Plan for the Run
6:34 - Invincible 3 So Far
7:49 - Morning Run
8:22 - Post-Run Thoughts
17:10 - Trader Joe's Haul
21:58 - Lunch
23:14 - vs 1080v13 & Gel-Nimbus 25
29:32 - Afternoon Run
34:49 - Thoughts After 20 Mile Double
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[@meowbobe]

Your consistency is one of the most admirable things about this channel. You’re a young father, a triple digit weekly mileager, and a fire KZbinr. I’m happy you don’t trim your videos to be less than ten minutes bc I like the long format, it feels more like a conversation. Keep doing you brother ⚡️⚡️❤️

[@supwell]

🙌🏽 thank you! I really appreciate the kind words

[@hobotify]

I´m new to running shoes, the first time i tried these on at the store i fell in love with them. I´m 220lbs, but it feels like wearing a pair of trampolines.

[@pamelawamala6751]

Thank you for your commitment. As a long time believer in healthy daily habits, I appreciate your message to set intentions, get out there do it, adjust as needed and be consist. Thank you.

[@tuckertech]

This colorway though 🔥🔥🔥

[@Runstrong_Chris]

Curls for the girls with the wife next to you is wild, be careful out there my guy 😂

[@supwell]

😂

[@ethanlavoie4166]

Shout out made my day! You're an inspiration in many aspects but for me seeing a fellow busy hobby jogger dad eating a plant based diet proves it's not just possible but can be delicious too. That's why I love supwell kitchen and will honestly be forever grateful for inspiring me and helping us all along with this journey called life 🙏

[@supwell]

i appreciate all the support man! thanks for the kind words

[@terio1320]

thank you for the daily vids sir! been learning a lot, i know this is a random question but do you have a playlist for running?

[@Cesarizshizz]

I literally was thinking about getting these invincible 3 shoes last night…it’s like you were reading my mind 🤯

[@paulpau1]

get them! theyre super nice good summer colorway too

[@richiecortezzz7415]

Shoutout yowana sending kuriosites the Mach 6 supporting other channels!

[@TheTacticalButterknife]

I have to agree with the results you got from the Invincible 3, when I go through easy recovery in them I feel like they suck the life out of me and make me want to quit. I do like them for steady miles but I don't think I'll ever grab them again on an easy easy day.

[@Lsj1775]

As a decently heavy runner, these shoes are my perfect alphafly companion. I can do recovery all the way to 5k pace with them. In classic zoomx fashion, whatever pace you lock in to it fights hard to keep you there

[@JS-xn3dq]

Liked the message today, thanks! Also, like your menu - I make a very similar sandwich with tempeh. 😋

[@jtorres304]

Okay but a 7 min pace for 12 mils straight is reallyyy impressiveee. currently can do around 3 mi at a 8-10 min pace and am gassed after

[@tuckertech]

Great content as always! I think once you hit 100 miles on them you put that date and 100 miles as the “race”

[@supwell]

I love that idea

[@Ayoj503]

Numero uno!!!

[@MrPwang08]

@yowana great vid! I saw your speed shoe vid you did recently and wondering if you can review the Nike pegasus turbo next nature? This is the shoe I'm using. It's interesting cause the midsole is made from recycled zoom x. And is it better than the pegasus 40?

[@adrainawls]

The Nikes are very durable shoes , I left the Nikes for a few years trying out Saucony and Hoka also ASICS. I’m 6’2 220 and I came back to the Nikes. The Vermero is awesome and durable I have over 150 miles and it’s still going

[@coreyadcock]

That stroller is gotta be due for some maintenance by now, 50 thousand miles on those tires for sure

[@MidLifeRunner]

Dropping a member exclusive on speed work so far tomorrow - that may or may not be directly aimed for you 😂

[@kuriosites]

I'd be curious to see an Invincible vs. Mach 6 vs. Rebel; sort of a max cushioned soft and bouncy vs. moderate cushioned but light soft and bouncy. Also, not a quitter is great. Endurance sports measure your ability to suffer.

[@tyriksmith9053]

Your rap music references; got me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 You should do a Ed Bud review. Review sneakers and music!!!!!! You funny!!! 😂😂

[@brokenfreddy1262]

The stroller runs are probably the best strength runs you can do..they should be giving you a longer stride when you are racing..some people use a weight sled the same way..besides you can collapse onto the stroller handles when you're toasted..😅

[@TylerRippel1]

How about an Invincible v. Triumph 20 comparison? 10mm drop, high stack, some bounce to them both, budget v. deluxe at current T20 pricing. Thanks!

[@karlbratby4349]

just picked up some Invincible 3's, was going to return after 1st put on in house but they have kind of grown on me, i try to stick to 6mm drop after a while in Saucony speeds and triumphs at 8 and 10mm which I believe caused knee issues, These i3's have the obvious drop as you say but also on 1st try seem to have a disconnect between heal and forefoot, almost felt like it was missing. I will hang onto them as price was good in Nike sale and see how they enter the ever-growing rotation. Nice to see another nations food supplies although Bagels are also popular here in UK, not a fan myself, ultra-processed over here so not great and better forms of carbs without the stodge. Loving the content.

[@supwell]

Thanks Karl! I love my bagels 😂 and great shoe choice. Hoka Mach 6 and new balance 1080v13 are some other good options in the 6mm drop range btw

[@markuscg1]

I tried the original Invicibles and didn't like them too much. I bottom out sometimes in very cushy shoes, and although the toebox looks wide, Nike tends to have cramped toe boxes for me. Is this one roomier.? I admit I am biased against Nike for some of their past transgressions, but I do have their Pegasus Trail 4 Goretex. I wonder if the Invincible would be good for 12-hour shifts in the ER. I applaud you on the gains you have made in the past two years.

[@tuckertech]

They make a wide version of this that I love. The toe box is roomier and they actually add more volume to it which is awesome.

[@garethmorgan7474]

Do you prefer the invincible 3 over the Hoka skyward x

[@juanjuan-nk5ph]

Hi sir.Could you please list the socks you described in the video? Link? Thanks!

[@shawngee1]

Really enjoy your videos. Feedback would be the audio, but keep up the good work.

[@MiracleWarriors]

My pair of Invincible 3 at near 100 miles ran and bought at Black Friday is starting to unglued part of the upper on my left shoes at the toebox. The upper is very comfortable but still not the best quality of connecting it to the middlesole like other shoes from Nike that I had no problem like this : Pegasus 40, Structure 25, Infinity Run 4 or the Vomero 17. At least I did not pay full price for the Invincible.

[@supwell]

dang sorry to hear that! you're the second person who's told me about the glue and durability issue. such a bummer as nike's other shoes have been super durable for me

[@raulmedina6223]

I have a pair coming in, I’m at 200 pounds hope they work out for me

[@mhe_golf1215]

Amazing how you run those paces at a 145-155 bpm heart rate… any tips in increasing your aerobic base pace? I try MAF training in most of my base runs but by heart rate jacks above 155 bpm and my pace being 11:00 😂

[@KingPickler]

Have you heard anything about the Asics noosa tri? I'm curious on how it compares to the super blast and nova blast

[@supwell]

It's on my list to try soon - I haven't tried but I've heard it's a little firmer and less exciting than the superblast and novablast. But I know people really like that shoe

[@Pittimus84]

How many miles on the Invincible's now? I just crested 200 on mine at a local 10k race this past Saturday. They still feel great, though there was some wet spots from a light rain overnight on road paint and the grip on that was absolutely terrible. Again about 70ish miles to break the upper in and have not had heel slip since. I was not wanting or looking to run fast which is part of why I wore them to help slow me down. I am curious about what you mentioned about socks, never heard anyone talk about that before. The OS1st brand actually has socks in Wide which I've never seen, nor heard of. I'm kinda curious about that considering I wear Extra Wide in the Invincible 3.

[@supwell]

Os 1st is great! The additional cushion plus tying the shoes tight fixed any upper weirdness. I think I have about 30 to 40 miles on my invincible right now

[@elliotendures]

Really wanted to love these. Too narrow in the midfoot so had to send em back, but I could feel that bounce right away.

[@timedwards2066]

I have both the 1080s and invincibles and the Nikes are way less stable for me. 1080s are my pref for recovery runs

[@LAMerc76]

I would take the Hoka Skyward X over these any day!

[@DJjayenvy]

On paper you think it would be Nike’s answer to the nimbus line or the more fresh foam x line but it’s not. I bought it to replace my worn out fresh form x and to have something alittle squishier than my nimbus 26. When I got it I was disappointed not bc it wasn’t an amazing shoes but more so bc it’s not a max cushion shoe (for me). All the cushioning is in the heel and barely anything in forefoot/midfoot. Now when you are running, it’s fine bc the heel compresses and it’s a smooth ride and transition but i wish there was more cushion under the midfoot. It feels more like a built up nb rebel v4 imo. And the drop makes it feels awkward when walking. Still super comfortable but something that you notice as you walk bc you go from super squishy foam to nothing as you transit to the midfoot and beyond. So yes, buy it if you want a more plush Rebel v4 but it’s not the max cushion shoe that I bought it thinking it was going to be. After having it, it made me appreciate my nimbus 26 more as what a max cushion all around protective shoes is supposed to feel like. I wear the invincible in my rotation between the nimbus and rebel 4.

[@supwell]

That's a great analysis. I'm curious to try the infinity rn 4 now - that seems more in line with the 1080 and nimbus. Also curious tot see how the new balance Balos compares to this

[@DJjayenvy]

Agreed! The balos will be interesting. I think it’s going to sit between the 1080 and the rebel. What I’m really looking forward to is the more fresh foam x v5! That looks like the ultimate max stack nimbus 26 competitor for me.

[@crzyscorp]

Have you considered that the Invincible and Superblast have a lot of similarities but are different in the way that the brands have executed the shoes? The way you describe your increasing enjoyment of the Invincible and it’s one note nature reminds me a lot of how people talk about the Superblast and maybe both are really set up for similar objectives

[@supwell]

So funny you said that... I just finished running in the superblast this morning and said the same "one note" comment in my wrap up 🤯 i think you are spot on - we don't think of them as direct competitors but they are pretty similar

[@crzyscorp]

@@supwelldo you mind comparing the bounce feeling you get in the invincible to the ASICS meringue? I’m starting to look for something to replace the superblast in my rotation for crushing higher aerobic miles in that one note kind of way - a little disappointed with the mach 6 for those 9-12 mi runs where I’m not pushing into tempo/MP+20 sec pace

[@supwell]

For sure - invincible is a lot softer and I get a little more sink into the foam vs superblast. Superblast always feels like I'm riding on top/not compressing it a ton. Invincible 3 is more comfortable overall Btw, what's the disappointment with the Mach 6 in particular?

[@crzyscorp]

@@supwell Thank you that makes sense! So as a little background I’m currently building up mileage training around 60 mpw over 6 sessions (hopefully hitting closer to 65 in the next few weeks). The Mach 6 is a newer pick up (71 mi on the pair so far) I really do enjoy them for faster days and even long runs with some quality thrown in (longest 16 mi) but at easier paces they feel a little odd (maybe less bounce or not supportive enough?) in the last few miles where something a little more built out might suit me better at least when my legs are beat up. I was hoping for a workhorse for every single run from track day to long workouts but I think what a good work around is something like a “one note” superblast for aerobic miles between harder efforts with the Mach 6 (or something more aggressive on a track like a Takumi sen). I don’t really do recovery runs outside of right after races or I take a day off so no real current need for a true recovery shoe

[@supwell]

@@crzyscorp ahh okay yeah i feel that. on those medium/longer runs in the mach 6 they still have the pep without the benefit of a ton of cushion and stability. that was something i felt in the mach 5 too - unless i was fast finishing a 90+ minute run i would've preferred more stability and stack. i actually think the cloudmonster hyper might be exactly what you're looking for. it's a true workhorse with the firmer foam and built-up outsole plus PEBA, decently lightweight that has done great for every type of run i've thrown at it so far. stay tuned for more on that one soon - i'm planning to get a double day and/or long run in it within the next week

[@Jantonyofficial]

Are these stability shoes?

[@supwell]

No unfortunately they are not designed for stability. If you want a similar soft feeling but with more stability, I'd check out the Nike Vomero 17. It has the same ZoomX foam on the top but a firmer foam on the bottom and a more rigid/higher heel for stability. Also the zoom structure 25 is Nike's true stability shoe, but I haven't tried that one yet. It's supposed to be much firmer than this

[@ianstyring9602]

Please compare the Invincible 3 and the Skyward X.

[@kgunz4282]

I was thinking I’d be “okay” a week after the 100. Man this is tough. I took 5-6 days off completely. I’ve never had heavier legs. Taking it easy on the runs but definitely feeling it. Plus the sudden heat coming through isn’t helping lol. Got a couple 10ks in May I wanna PR on but I don’t know about it. Speed work doesn’t feel like an option this week.

[@supwell]

Dang that stinks. Maybe try jumping in the pool or getting on the bike? Could be worth getting a Y membership if you don't have one yet. Or just buy the new skyward X when it comes out - it's barely like running 😂

[@kgunz4282]

@@supwellI jumped on the bike one day. Got a regular little road bike. Closest y is over an hour away so idkkkk. Small town problems.

[@alb.1911]

Don’t you feel that the foot push against front of the shoe? I have to return for this reason… 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MedicineRunner]

I’m definitely having mixed workouts with this shoe. Some days feel awful. Some feel really bouncy and energetic. I barely have 10-15 miles on mine tho so need more time.

[@supwell]

The recovery run yesterday was my only bad experience with it - but I was also just cooked so not sure if any shoe could have saved me 😂 maybe the skyward X since that thing is a tank. What have your negative experiences been like?

[@MedicineRunner]

@@supwell haha I feel you dude. for me it’s been the arches, but specifically in the left foot. I feel like it’s only present in the first mile tho but man does it hurt. Then I’m pain free and the shoe has crazy pop and comfort. Strangest thing. Heel slip is there at times but minimal.

[@rossfripp4503]

You say Nimbus 25 "very soft", but I am inclined to disagree here. Whilst it is not firm, the Invincible (V2, at least) is far softer. Which is softer Invincible or 1080V13?

[@nirajvashi9471]

Hello, I have been watching your videos on Max Cushion Shoes and the more I watch them, the more confusing your opinion on various shoes become. Therefore, may I request you to advise which shoe would be the best for 5 Miles Brisk walking everyday ? I am confused between Invincible 3, 1080 V13 and Gel Nimbus 25. My priority is cushioning ( protection of knees and feet from impacts in particular). I had almost finalised on Invincible V13 but then watched your video stating that Invincible 3 is not sufficiently stacked up on the front end of the shoe. Also considered Brooks Ghost Max as recommended by you in one of your videos for walking but when I saw your full review, you said it is on the firmer side. Please recommend your pick for the aforesaid purpose. Thank you .

[@supwell]

Brooks ghost max is my favorite walking shoe! It was on the firmer side for running when compared to other max cushion shoes like the 1080v13, Invincible and Gel Nimbus. The Ghost Max has the perfect amount of cushion and softness for walking without being too squishy - the softer shoes I like for running but aren't my favorite for walking

[@nirajvashi9471]

@@supwell Thank you for your kind response. My main concern is protection from knee and foot damage. Would in your considered opinion, Invincible 3 or 1080 v13 offer better protection than Ghost Max in this aspect? Performance in walking is not too much of a concern for me. Thank you once again.

[@supwell]

@@nirajvashi9471they all have a similar amount of cushion and protection. The ghost max is the most stable so it would be my personal choice if I had any knee/foot weakness - I'm not a doctor though! 😅

[@nirajvashi9471]

@@supwell Thank you. Will go for Brooks Ghost Max following your advice.

[@kurylenkoolga1102]

I have the same shoes 🙂

[@tjjames2520]

Is there heal slip? Ppl complained about it and I felt it trying it on in the store

[@supwell]

When I tie it tight and wear a padded sock I don't have any issue with that

[@mkmcdowell4648]

"What girls?" 🤣

[@davidg9120]

😂 Probably the ones who work at lawngevity. Some funny gems in these videos.

[@jshvaron]

what knot tie do you use??!?!?!?

[@supwell]

here you go man! kzbin.infotASsKW2FFEI?si=JYy5aw0A2dg2XmSl

[@jshvaron]

@@supwell Thanks!!!!!!

[@Middlenamerichard]

CLIP ART

[@supwell]

THANK YOU! dude it was at the tip of my tongue

[@Middlenamerichard]

@@supwell clip art will forever be ingrained in my mind thanks to my 4th grade science fair project circa 2003 😆 No prob man!

[@Plant_Traced]

Any great Vegan recipes? 🤤

[@dumpster_dick9599]

Gotta get that Trader Joe’s orange chicken. 🔥🔥🔥

[@aSkibidiRunner]

You should be an audiobook person

[@Middlenamerichard]

Second this

[@jasonh6910]

I hate this shoes and still do… the laces are so short so when you do a heel lock there are almost no laces left

[@lIIlllIIIl]

nike has a sale and this colorway is sold out. most colorways are trash

[@hurpaderpp]

im sorry bro but youre colorblind. those shorts are gray lmao....and that shirt is gray too because its a road.

[@supwell]

Might be the lighting but they're both blue in person

[@hurpaderpp]

@@supwell eh idk. my dad is colorblind and thinks gray is blue all the time haha. easy to test online :p

[@blackjack6406]

Hey, I am "new" to running and just discovered your channel. My current shoes are old Kinvara 6s 🥲 and I am looking for a new pair. Could you give some advice? I am 90 kg heavy and very slow currently. Do you have any suggestion for shoes that are soft and bouncy/fun while not compromising too much stability? I am a mid/forefoot runner and want to give my achilles tendon and ligaments some time to adjust to the stress, I can feel them for days after running currently. The invincible seem to fall in that category I guess, but they are quite pricy.

[@supwell]

If you like the lower profile feel of the Kinvara, the new balance rebel v4 is like an updated version of that with more cushion but also that lightweight bouncy feel and great stability from a wide base. It's $140 USD so a lot more affordable than invincible. The invincible isn't the best for stability but is definitely soft and bouncy - another alternative that's more cushioned than the rebel is the adidas supernova rise. Super comfortable shoe with great stability and a soft bouncy feel. Also $140 USD

[@blackjack6406]

@@supwell I am not looking into lower profile, kinvara 6 was just what I had from like a decade ago when I was alot lighter and mights aswell run in my vans in terms of softness now haha. I just want something fun and that isn't hard on my ligaments/achilles till I have adapted. I don't necessarily struggle with pronation. Basicly a neutral to slightly stable shoe that absorbs shocks and bounces. Superblasts without the price tag haha 🥲