20-year-old man dies after PMD catches fire in lift in Woodlands

A 20-year-old man died after his personal mobility device caught fire in a lift in Woodlands on Jun 3 night. SCDF said preliminary investigations revealed that the fire was of electrical origin.
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[@nicholasbolas]

Next time I see a PMD rider waiting at the lift, I'll wait for another lift. It's crazy to go out this way.... Final Destination vibes...

[@jowyong6769]

Totally agree! Luckily no one else in the lift....jeez!

[@bobafett5757]

More like SAW vibes.

[@SuccessforLifester]

Yes. The first thought was Final Destination

[@madhatterwonderland4834]

That's a very wise way to respond.

[@misterbig9025]

What if you're in the lift and a pmd rider wants in. You can't come out as the door is blocked by the fellow.

[@galaticallysane9773]

RIP. I can't imagine how terrifying it is to be trapped in such an enclosed space and being burned alive..

[@noproblematallmate]

You can find videos on the internet of people burning in lifts caused by PMD. Usually they faint because of the smoke.

[@misterbig9025]

They scream and spin around uncontrolably until the fire roast the flesh well done.

[@terrenceishere4215]

Nvm maybe next time i'll use the stairs

[@roxiane]

Damn scared now lol. Not gonna share a lift with anyone who’s bringing their PMDs in no offence to them. May he rest in peace

[@syaf2725]

Same bro not gonna do that

[@TommyCr7]

@Rykiel Toh why not?

[@misterbig9025]

Just don't forget to give some offering during hungry ghost festival!

[@profitmuhammed]

Take the stairs then, it is healthy

[@onghockchwee2342]

@Rykiel Toh No Reason Why Cannot Share Lift Unless You Are That Type Like To Fart Inside Lift.

[@tf-ok]

That's why the management at my condo bans delivery riders' PMDs from even entering the estate. They have to park outside and walk in.

[@michaelatkinson8083]

Some pmd riders never learnt their lesson!

[@bobafett5757]

*Call it a good lesson, warning or reminder to all PMD owner out there to better be prepared when you messed up with a diabolical stuff cos someday it will get you good and bring you down to your knees*

[@SuccessforLifester]

Government should proactively clamped down on these illegal PMDs instead of giving passive reminders. These fires can affect innocent neighbours

[@fidelcatsro6948]

we need to arrest and prosecute PMD minisinister Keith Goh before he leaves the chat...

[@SuccessforLifester]

@Rykiel Toh I am less worry about cars. PMD catching fire is a bigger risk

[@SuccessforLifester]

@Rykiel Toh Beech, door to door search would be nice

[@fidelcatsro6948]

@Rykiel Toh Proactive no longer enough in pandemic times.. we need to be ProCative!

[@SuccessforLifester]

@Rykiel Toh Beech, the one very agitated and rude and crying dead mother and father is you

[@SO872E]

So many illegal PMD still on the road, its just shows LTA is not serious of getting rid all these illegal PMD off the street. They can easily catch all these illegal PMD at shopping mall where most food delivery rider park their PMD.

[@andrewcrago1058]

Omg. May he rest in peace 🙏

[@macaroon6561]

Ban PMD. It gives more harm than benefits. Many fire cases and more getting injured related to PMD.

[@macaroon6561]

@@soreeyez Many cases of pmd related fire break out in housing flats have occured causing not only burn of home owner but other people's home as well. K bye.

[@macaroon6561]

@@soreeyezPMDs are not crucial transportation and can be changed to using by bicycle.

[@macaroon6561]

@@soreeyez Also so far no case of cars or buses burning public housing but PMD have many cases.

[@EnviousPaladin]

What is the model of the PMD?

[@rinne7244]

He will haunt the lift forever

[@ssgoh4968]

Jail term for those hanging on to such devices should be the fastest way to go.

[@bobafett5757]

Jail will be overcrowded better fine them.

[@KN-cl2tu]

Hmm the only reasons i can think that the PMD caught fire is that the PMD is modified beyond the safety or the battery was faulty or old either way may this young man find peace

[@KN-cl2tu]

@New Worlds There are some owners of PMD who would modify their bike to be faster or maybe even change the battery to a type that it not suitable to the bike. Plus as i said before this kind of modification may sometimes be harmful as it may push the bike beyond what it should be capable of but in the case of this i believe it could be a fault with the battery

[@kinetickoi4036]

Why there's no fire extinguisher at our HBD block.. They have AED but no fire extinguisher. The gov should consider placing this...while waiting for scdf to come. At least it could help...

[@wheelfree]

Why should there be extinguishers? Every HDB flats got blanket and water.

[@liewwinson9473]

Ban the PMD.

[@asianfemale5999]

Ban the batteries

[@jasmainehum3335]

Absolutely right, ban it by all means

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Lithium batteries are dangerous...

[@misterbig9025]

Like the ones in our phones

[@imranbecks]

Lithium batteries are everywhere. The one you are holding now in your phone is also lithium battery. Its how the battery is utilised that matters.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

@@imranbecks of course i know that but you comparing an ant to an anteater!! lithium in such tiny phones only carry about 10watts of power it only burns your cheeks by the time you throw it on the floor, in a pmd it can carry several kilowatts of energy which can fry your butt before you even realize whats happening...lithium is unstable when shorted it burns up like a bomb

[@thetreasonseason]

isn't this thing banned already?

[@zhen86]

No. PMD consisted of e bicycle, bicycle and e scoters. E scoters can still be used on PCN.

[@presston]

Ban pmd!

[@bobafett5757]

It should be banned long time ago cos its dangerous to store it inside a flat.

[@presston]

@@bobafett5757 everyday walking at walkway is a few inches away from dying from being hit by PMD.

[@asianfemale5999]

Agreed

[@crestgamez]

Its quite weird to call a 20 year old a man

[@bchpls24]

hahaha not man then ? boy boy?

[@panji6992]

It's high time to put extinguisher or fire safety inside the lift🤔

[@imranbecks]

Even with an extinguisher in the lift, it's only useful if there is a small incipient fire from within. With regards to this PMD, it exploded so if you are caught in the explosion, you'll be burnt by the flames like this fella was. So you can have tonnes of extinguisher all around the lift but if you are already on fire and shocked from the explosion which has already overcomed you, I doubt an extinguisher on the inside will make any difference.

[@jasmainehum3335]

Things happen suddenly in lift is too sudden shock to people to react, no time to, it's juz explode in second

[@kinetickoi4036]

That's what I'm thinking.. But at least not just this pmd fire issues it could be anything in the house or along the corridor. I would still vote for few fire extinguisher for every hdb block. Gov should invest in this incase of any emergency while waiting for scdf to come. Since we have AED at some of the block. Still if anything happen. From one block to another you must runnnnn and take the AED.. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@imranbecks]

@@kinetickoi4036 Not extinguishers, but some blocks, maybe newer ones I believe, already have a fire hosereel on every floor. Unfortunately this block where it happened doesn't have a fire hosereel. With regards to AED, agree it should be at every block. But I guess cost is an issue and that falls entirely on HDB and the Town Council.

[@AvatarN]

PMDs should only be used by those who really needs it like the elderly and handicapped not able-bodied people

[@bchpls24]

@@soreeyez same with bus

[@GabrielLites]

Rest in Peace to the victim 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@dereklim3836]

And the authorities still approve PMD. Luckily there's no other people inside the lift otherwise ai wan.

[@jasmainehum3335]

Yeah you're right, I'm agree with you, I'm juz can't understand why gov still approve it by licence it as legally use, should have ban it so many years ago ever since causes so much harm to society

[@jasmainehum3335]

And flats caught burnt into flames, so many cases already, what's in gov mindset

[@SO872E]

Its the illegal ones that is most dangerous

[@wazirtan6801]

yeah total agreed,chialat ahh

[@dereklim3836]

@@jasmainehum3335 Lets see what the authorities will do after this tragic accident. They better wake up.

[@imranbecks]

PMD exploding in an enclosed space like the lift there is just a nightmare and torture. May he rest in peace. Al fatiha 🤲🏻 Gonna remind myself always not to take the lift with someone who has a PMD. A freaking time bomb.

[@misterbig9025]

So when the lift door opens and you see a charred person, -> PMD

[@thetreasonseason]

He literally took the lift and went up in flames.

[@LoveMusicSound]

Woooow 😢

[@AlWalker2023]

Wow. The fire spread wide. How can one PMD do such damage?!

[@presston]

Why not? Lithium is combustible in air

[@AlWalker2023]

@@presston now imagine that fire confined in the small lift. Unfortunate it took a life, fortunately there were no others.

[@bobafett5757]

@@AlWalker2023 ... Why did not activate emergency button?

[@muhdshuhairi609]

@@bobafett5757 emergency button got automatic water sprinkler meh hahahaha

[@AlWalker2023]

@@bobafett5757 I’ve seen fire button in schools, shopping malls etc... but never in a residential block.

[@rkninrknin4610]

Omg the poor young men

[@kennySg101]

One fire too many involving PMD. Authority should consider regular mandatory inspection for such vehicles. Almost each month we have fire in HDB flats. Time to act lawmakers!!!

[@TurtleParadise]

First in China, now in Singapore

[@bobafett5757]

*Think its time to install water sprinkler inside the lift*

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Lithium battery fire will laugh at water sprinkler systems, its more difficult to extinguish than a gasoline fire FYI

[@SuccessforLifester]

That is a good idea. And a smoke detector. Smokers would be drenched. Too bad I don't have to submit to WITs anymore

[@imranbecks]

If you understand how sprinklers work which clearly you don't, then you will understand why a sprinkler isn't possible in an elevator. Most to most, a sprinkler can be installed in the lift shaft, just not in the lift itself. A smoke detector in the lift is fine, but it detects smoke from fire. It would be utterly useless in a sudden explosion from a PMD for instance, because by then the smoke detector would've already melted by the flames from within. So a smoke detector isn't really practical, hence why you don't really see a smoke detector in a lift. PS: I'm a firefighter and I work in fire safety 😉

[@bobafett5757]

@New Worlds .. So must use Solar?

[@MarmotStarpax]

there's no data on whether any fires were caused by devices that meet safety requirements (e.g. UL2272)

[@bobafett5757]

Action speaks louder than data.

[@allenchua823]

Keith Goh has all the PMD data

[@Zoids-bf6op]

@@allenchua823 who is this keith goh?

[@AkmalGameAtion]

Just ban PMDs pls

[@user-ks7er6kp6s]

Keith.... Keith... Fire fire burn so high, after China incident now Singapore.. 🇸🇬🇸🇬🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@dayylogg9716]

We can expect more battery related fire when electric car start to phase in. And, battery shop bring in cheaper generic battery to replaced the original when it reaches it maximum lifespan. This could be the case for PMD too which have caused many fires.

[@zhen86]

Electric car risk will be the same as petroleum car. If you can afford an electric car, you will get the best battery, and not mod just to charge faster. Those PMD are mod to function like motorcycles and charge faster in order to do more deliveries/ underage riding.

[@jtalk0074]

I hope he is not a food delivery guy who's dependent on his PMD to do his job.

[@komanchi]

In the first place not allowed to use PMDs..only PABs..if still use it for that sole purpose,then its the same as asking to die..

[@mamamememoo]

I think he sadly was. There was some mention of it in a CNA article.

[@zhen86]

@@komanchiPMD consists of e bicycle e scoters and bicycle. All this are not ban.

[@9940083338]

RIP

[@Wan-ft4xg]

lift looks scary

[@ocswoodlands]

Young people need to understand that not everything is heck care or without consequences. Often there are good reasons when people advise or require - i this case PMDs to have UL2272 certification... This requirement has been around for perhaps 2 years? And there have been other instances of non compliant PMD that exploded and caused fires in units... To those who still have non compliant PMDs - don't continue taking the risk anymore - surely nothing is worth being burnt alive (I am being blunt here)

[@misterbig9025]

Well done!

[@miklee4834]

This is warning to those with pmds. What if the fire started in his house and in the middle of the night. Time to dispose all pmds. Also warning to those with prc made cordless vacuum cleaner.

[@idashas]

Never play a fire

[@BlastmanDictionary]

In my opinion, Recycling company are mostly unethical indirectly, they are possibly collecting all these expensive PMDs for free or throw away price, dismantle them for parts and resell international making huge profiles, its virtually like a "Sure Gain" business strategy. Lots of electronical gadgets such as cameras, phones, TV, laptops are too resold into local community from various platform like carosell or export out to those lower tier countries. If you view carosell you will know why there are 1-2 sellers selling away old digital cameras or other gadgets at hefty overpriced value. There are even lots of corrupted individuals from these recycling companies taking away better valued item for themselves before even reaching the recycling compound. These days lots of individuals and business are taking advantages of kind givings from there they make tons of money due to such corruptions. Singapore doesnt have guidelines to tackle corruption well in my opinion! Corrupted Business individuals oftern get away scotts free building up their wealth from illgeal practices.

[@aerojetrocketdyners-2538]

Just cycle

[@bobafett5757]

*Wondering if the PMD was being charged inside the lift?*

[@bobafett5757]

@George Querelle .. Fire Variant ?

[@trustgtr33]

imagine those huge very powerful lithium batteries in future cars, what are the chances those suddenly blows up or in the event of an accident..

[@Unteroffizier]

They are safe generally. Heard of electric call on fire so far in Singapore? It become unsafe when people modify it illegally. Hope SCDF will come up with report on this one PMD if its modified. If so blame who? You can say the guy is good lah this lah that lah but how good can it be when someone illegally modifies PMDs.

[@nicst3373]

Yes PMD is a convenient cheap mode of transport BUT you pay with your own life and other ppl’s life too if they are near it when it happens And the damages your parents or family members have to pay

[@madhatterwonderland4834]

A sincere admonishment. Only if some of our leaders here blinded by this craze for so-called technology-driven society do a self reflection on this. Pain comes when it hits their own grandchildren.

[@Alex-vb9pj]

seems like karma took an ugly turn

[@portmafiaexecutive4099]

People blame on people near the building fire for not calling the fire fighter and also Singapore might become a cold county

[@Lee-vo4by]

Now to note never enter the lift when there's PMD inside. Not going to die together with inconsiderate people. May this be a strict warning to those who still has non-compliant PMDs. To clarify - Am sure there are people who obey the rules but doubt anyone can tell from the naked eye if a PMD is compliant or not. So unless you can differentiate, this incident taught us to exercise caution when using the lift with PMDs inside in future.

[@permiteyes782]

You mean the PMD owner purposely want to burn himself..!!

[@Lee-vo4by]

@Rykiel TohI don't recall any of the fire incidents happened till date are due to compliant PMD (at least not mentioned in the news). So most likely, this case is not an exception (till the authorities say otherwise).

[@Lee-vo4by]

@@permiteyes782 Of course not lah, but if people continue to use non-compliant PMDs, it will be a hazard to those around them right? So isn't that inconsiderate and selfish? I am referring as a general not just this particular case.

[@Lee-vo4by]

@Rykiel Toh In any case, no one is stopping you to use the lift in similar situation since you seemed to be ok and trusting of all PMD users and their equipment. It's your life anyway.

[@Lee-vo4by]

@Rykiel Toh Sure, it's your choice.. and life.

[@jamalsahari5869]

R.I.P Mitsubishi elevator😢

[@williesg]

Facts are , old people pmd never had a fire problem so far as I see. It's always the younger people or food delivery.

[@muhammadrauf2600]

@@soreeyez hey an old auntie in a motorised wheelchair smack my bum bum at pasir ris.

[@meat_loves_wasabi]

Seems more like an explosion the way the lift lobby was damaged

[@imranbecks]

Clearly an explosion as it usually is with these PMD batteries.

[@imranbecks]

@Rykiel Toh No, I'm a trained firefighter and i see the pattern of the fire damage from within the lift that it was a sudden explosion. And most of these PMD batteries always explode to begin with but usually while being charged, so there's that too. After a long ride, the battery is hot, won't be surprised if these unstable batteries can just explode without warning like this incident. I'm just surprised he had the conscience to immediately press lvl 2 to get out of the lift, but the damage was sadly done by then.

[@ToothlessTrainz971]

The fire was at 11:25pm I think

[@necrob0i]

oof I foresee another debate in the parliament about pmds

[@cherriemay528]

If I died then my mom will never get her diamond I will stay away from any pmds and elevator😔

[@SGT-wz8dv]

fire??? in the lift?

[@TyroneBeiron]

Honestly, not sure this could have been a scene in Seinfeld or if I ought to cry. If you are up-riding to the 15th floor and something happens inside, immediately hit the nearest floor buttons to exit. (Don't hit the Emergency Stop for example. Not applicable here.) Don't continue to ride till your floor. Panic is the worst enemy. The problem with these PMD electrical fires is that they can be pretty intense with flames flaring up quickly. That's easily how the fire transfers from the device to one's clothing. The best action is to get out quickly.

[@imranbecks]

I think the victim here did press level 2 immediately after the explosion, so that's why the lift door opened on level 2 and by then, he was already burning and overcomed by the explosion which resulted in the fire of course. It all happened in a split second. Victim stayed in that block, but not at lvl 2.

[@TyroneBeiron]

@@imranbecks Thanks. Wasn't critiquing the victim but hoping others reading will consider these options for their own benefit. 🍻

[@h4rryb4ss]

PMD users should be from using public transport & etc

[@benganchan1420]

Never share a lift with someone on a motorised bike or scooter as lithium battery burns white hot. That’s why charging lithium battery at home is not recommended as it burns quickly and at high temperatures . Watch kzbin.info/www/bejne/imiUlImeraySrJY

[@lousiaveerasamy3697]

As much as my condolences are with him and his family.......out of curiosity......Why is a 20 year old riding a pmd?

[@SuccessforLifester]

Either for food delivery business or for speeding thrills.

[@Devwhoo]

@@SuccessforLifester food delivery does not allow PMD unless really handicapped. Only PABs.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

because used motorcycles are way unaffordable than it was 20yrs ago..

[@SuccessforLifester]

@@Devwhoo I c.

[@michaelatkinson8083]

Youngsters find pmds trendy, they are rash and playful.

[@simplyyhappyxx]

Food panda or grab delivery ??

[@Numberonesorabjifan]

Nice now I have a new fear

[@hngdngphm3]

Mitsubishi lift ?

[@cb250nighthawk3]

Supernatural Compassion : it must be the hantu!

[@boyan619]

Should sell the pmds to the Malaysian

[@jamesross8396]

Definately a modified PMD

[@jamesross8396]

@Rykiel Toh Bruh government checked and approved PMDs with the code wouldnt just randomly explode. If not everything would be exploding now

[@profitmuhammed]

Samsung was approved to be sold everywhere last time, but it still explodes?Mind to share how does your thinking of approval actually help?

[@jamesross8396]

@@profitmuhammed how long did samsung release and how long is the existence of the PMDs? Samsung was roughly around 3-4 months while PMDs lasted years. Samsung hardly any time to check while PMD had years. So years and years of checks and regulations on PMDs and not a single incident has happend with a registered safe PMD. Which means PMDs are safe. Mind using your brain abit mr yalam brain.

[@aroomermardoo6502]

I dont feel any sadness for that guy . Lucky the neighbors are safe

[@asianfemale5999]

Why not? Is it his fault?

[@aroomermardoo6502]

@@asianfemale5999 yes police mention he modified the PMD. Know that he did harm not only to himself but his neighbours. Given the fact that there is nothing perfect in the world now that can guarantee our safety. Even crossing the road carries a lot of risk but the person can prevent bad situations if he is careful... observant. What action the RIP guy took to prevent such a devastating situation, knowing a modified PMD is like time bomb

[@khabibmcgregor370]

:(

[@cadenchen6964]

❤❤❤❤

[@jacobproduct2830]

Maybe Because The E Bike

[@saladaeng1082]

Just walk lah.... Stop being lazy. Go everywhere must take bicycle, pmds or order grab. Just use your legs lah.

[@brucelee7075]

Gd lesson to all pmd user....

[@weirdshit]

more like good lesson for all lift users.

[@profitmuhammed]

I will take stairs anytime

[@asianfemale5999]

Why you don't blame the PMD fault for their dmg batteries for killing people?

[@profitmuhammed]

@@asianfemale5999 And who am I to them?I am not even a victim, how am i suppose to sue them?

[@asianfemale5999]

@@profitmuhammed So you don't care if the victim dies? You only hate who you want to hate? Can see you are the most selfish here

[@profitmuhammed]

@@asianfemale5999 Okay Karen, whatever you say

[@asianfemale5999]

@@profitmuhammed Yeah sure have fun cherrypicking till Hell

[@misterbig9025]

Don't forget to send him offerings during hungry ghost festival!

[@njannah97]

Not sure if this was a joke or something but pelase be respectful. Your comment here has a tone on the disrespectful side. 1. Taking the situation lightly and making fun or a light statement over the victim amd situation. 2. Not fully emotionally understanding of the situation and gravity of the words you mention. Words are unwarrented and not suitable given the context. Even if intended to cheer up or make the situation not as bad as it seem as this is the wrong way to go about it. 3. The victim is clearly of different race and religion. So please don't use hungry fhost festival when it is clearly not the right occassion, scenario and context. Please be considerate, mindful and respectful. Thank you.

[@bchpls24]

@@njannah97 dude, you're on KZbin comment section, respectful is the last thing you'll find lol

[@asianfemale5999]

Poor guy

[@stanleygoh6066]

Namo amituofo

[@Devwhoo]

Orbie good :) never liked PMD riders. Have leg use bicycle, don’t wayang wayang zoom on your pmd. 👏🏻

[@gabrieleea2789]

The authorities concerned should have check before it licenced to be sold for safety sake ,PARTICULARLY those electrical products that are manufactured and imported from CHINA!! It's sad that the innocent man has to face such a tragic accident 😔😢.

[@theathomas3008]

yiked

[@limkelvin7664]

Yummy, lobster time. 😋😋

[@go2c]

this is distasteful and uncalled for.

[@asianfemale5999]

How come you find death funny 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@limkelvin7664]

@@go2c So what ?

[@limkelvin7664]

@@asianfemale5999 it's so funny, roasted. 😁😁

[@imranbecks]

@@limkelvin7664 A faceless troll like you only dare to say such stuff online but in person is as timid as a mice. You probably won't say the same thing if it's your loved one that was burnt alive.

[@queen93]

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[@felix121984]

Is that a transfemale ?

[@gertrudeperkins9468]

Made in China battery packs ftw

[@nicst3373]

Where is Superman and Wonder Woman? Or they only exist in Hollywood?

[@imranbecks]

What kind of stupid comment is this?

[@rinne7244]

U watched too much DC movies, stop..

[@muhammadrauf2600]

Huh???