2004 Stanley Cup Finals game 6: goal or no?

Is it across the line? Or no? Leave your thoughts

[@zachpower2192]

I’m sure a no-goal controversy coming off a player’s alleged kicking motion with under 7 minutes left in the 3rd will never again come up again in a Flames playoff game

[@trevormacdonald5110]

Came here for this

[@JM-ir2ny]

Except the later was a 3-1 series difference and the Flames were losing regardless

[@zachpower2192]

@@JM-ir2ny also in this video it was the Cup finals. Bit of a bigger deal!

[@joshdeford714]

Came here to see someone acknowledge this

[@reintaler6355]

@@JM-ir2ny you know 3-1 comebacks happen all the time right?

[@drewfla]

"Boy they're gonna talk about that one for a while." Spot on, bud. 16 years later and Flames fans are still talking about the Cup they technically should have won.

[@franklinfoster3928]

I do we should've😭

[@moi83k40]

@@franklinfoster3928 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4SqaaCwrNyCqZo same exact situation

[@Trash6661]

My hubby brought this up the other night and I got so heated because we definitely should’ve won. That was over the fucking line

[@TristanLockamy]

As a Preds fan we can relate

[@emilydoyle9729]

I do believe that it was a goal and they got robbed because of it. However, there was still plenty of time remaining for Tampa to tie it. So, no they did not technically win (even if the goal counted) and no they did not deserve the win. There's obviously a good chance they could've retained the lead but one will never know. One can assume Calgary would've won but it's only an assumption. Any hockey fan knows a game can go either way especially with an empty net. I've watched the Penguins down 2 goals then pull the goalie and score 2 to tie the game. You can never fully give up on a team until the buzzer sounds. If the goal was at a minute or two left it would be totally different. There was over 6 min left. I always thought the controversy was because the goal was in OT. Then I would consider Calgary the true Cup winner. But seeing how much time was left it's not as simple as saying they should've won. Calgary fans are just assuming Tampa wouldn't have scored. This all could've been avoided if the NHL makes a habit of reviewing goals at any time.

[@uriah9645]

I’m an oilers fan and I dislike everything about the flames but the puck clearly crossed the line

[@warflame7820]

Well said.

[@juliangarcia1221]

Uriah it's clearly across the line so I don't disagree with you

[@entertainmentforthedead]

@@warflame7820 I live in Calgary not a flames fan......I am a Sens fan but I remember game 6 of the eastern conference finals in 2004 because that was my first hockey game I ever watched and I remember being fascinated watching the game and it got me excited for the next season, then In the next season I became a Sens fan because I just loved watching them destroy the maple leafs almost every time they played that year :). been a sens fan since through thick and thin and what personally hurts for me is the Chris Phillips goal in the 2007 finals. been sad last few years for my sens though with the whole Melnyk situation and shit except that 2017 eastern conference finals appearance, just glad we seem to be getting back into shape.

[@__Aiden__]

It didn’t cross the line tho...

[@haydendube5174]

Uriah it didn’t cross the line. This is the only camera angle that shows it going in the other dont

[@B.Launders]

Considering the magnitude of this game, how did they not review the play? Could’ve been a different champion that season if they took a look at it.

[@rockstermaniac]

cause it was 2004 and review systems were junk

[@NightHawk12to81]

Nope. Under today's review, definitive no goal.

[@chiefbeanus3224]

NightHawk12to81 lol you’re dumb

[@brucespringsteeen7090]

@@NightHawk12to81 What was the reason this was no goal? Did they say here?

[@shuozhang6947]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M

[@SuperHodge08]

Who's here after seeing Calgarys tweet? The puck for sure crossed the line. You can see the puck lodge up in the padding in the corner of the foot and shin portion of the pad... well over the goal line. Ontop of that, stopping into the puck isnt kicking it in, it's a deflection. This is coming from me, Bruins fan...

[@calie0961]

At the time stopping and was a kicking motion. They recently changed the rules. In today’s game it’s a goal in 2004 no goal

[@lukaz3336]

Exactly. It's a goal.

[@danangell5482]

@@calie0961 Nope. In 2004 or 2022, it's not a goal. Whole of the puck must cross the line.

[@calie0961]

@@danangell5482 puck clearly crosses the line. His pad is in the net and the pun went to his toe you can also see the gap between the puck and the line

[@danangell5482]

@@calie0961 That's an optical illusion. Seeing the gap from that angle doesn't mean that it was actually in the net. This happened again to the Flames in 2015 and the same call was made for the same reason. The puck does not clearly cross the line. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4SqaaCwrNyCqZo

[@refixed]

I remember watching this live, screaming at my tv that it was in! It's still really annoying 16 years later. I think if Gelinas had celebrated, it would have put more pressure on the league to get the right call. I remember this being a total afterthought on CBC when it happened, JD knew it was in on ABC. As a lifelong Leafs' fan, I think that Flames' run in '04 is still the most fun I've ever had watching hockey.

[@gameimprovements4347]

I watched it too, but stopped after the lockout in 2005 destroyed my interest!

[@darcybell6646]

I also Remeber watching this in disbelief as the Flames were robbed of the cup. I never understood why Gelinas did not celebrate the goal.

[@christian5026]

@@darcybell6646 probably because he didn’t score.

[@danangell5482]

But the league DID get the right call.

[@mtlienz2279]

ya same man. flames had rough time after that they could never get past Anaheim, similar to Washington with Pens.

[@johncritch6812]

Remember watching this game with my dad he told me pick was in before they showed replay he was 84 at the time. Unbelievable !

[@NightHawk12to81]

And he was wrong.

[@chiefbeanus3224]

NightHawk12to81 no he wasn’t

[@BOOSETO]

He redirected his foot to tap that in. No goal.

[@granttarlton2829]

@@BOOSETO You clearly don't know the rules. How is this any different from Mark Stone's goal the other night? kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ3Fh2Ohns-AmMk watch at 4:00 he redirects his foot and it counts. You just can't kick.

[@BOOSETO]

@@granttarlton2829 you need me to tell you how that's different? It was shot off his skate. This instance, the the puck was in front of the net and he purposely slid his foot into it. And refs determined it was deliberate given the amount of reaction time he had. Also worth noting, rules have changed since 2004.

[@bryantirrell6765]

There was no distinct kicking motion. It was more of a stopping motion. From the original angle shown it does appear that the puck was clearly over the line and it looked like a goal to me. -- Bruins fan

[@joelilly00]

Yes but the original angle shows the puck in the air, and not a straight above the line view, the same thing happened vs the ducks one time, it's not a goal, part of that puck is on the red line still.

[@HoweyJR_]

Joe Lilly if you can’t see that puck in then idk what to tell you but go see a eye doctor

[@ils3325]

@@HoweyJR_ The puck isn't on the ice, its a few inches in the air, which makes it only appear to be a goal. So before insulting people you may want to actually get your facts right.

[@HoweyJR_]

@@ils3325 doesn't matter if it's in the air or on the ice the puck was over the line...

[@markfrizzell8116]

In the NHL a goal may be called a no goal for the following reasons: When the puck has been directed, batted or thrown into the net by an attacking player other than with a stick. (ii) When the puck has been kicked using a distinct kicking motion. (iii) When the puck has deflected directly into the net off an official. (iv) When a goal has been scored and an ineligible player is on the ice. (v) When an attacking player has interfered with a goalkeeper in his goal crease. There's a total of 13 rules regarding a no goal, but it's number one that matters in this case. He directed the puck into the net with his skate. He never had control of the puck and it never touched his stick. Absolutely NO GOAL. ----Another Bruins Fan

[@christiantaillon2930]

Calgary should have won the Cup that night. that goal was IN

[@mattryan5393]

Sean Monahan is going to tip the puck over his pad against Tampa Bay in the six round of the Stanley Cup Final this season.

[@obinnaodoemenam8762]

@@mattryan5393 lol no guadreau

[@mattryan5393]

@@obinnaodoemenam8762 probably more likely lol

[@jasonguerra1389]

Stamkos scores winning goal game seven lightning win

[@kennyc201]

Nope he kicked it in

[@yukondeighton8075]

Unreal to think that if this counted and the flames won, Gelinas would have had 4 series winning goals in one playoff year!

[@kahlondk3]

I'll do anything to have the flames win the cup at least one time in my life

[@izfan1132]

Your time has come

[@simarbir]

@@izfan1132 this didn't age well

[@simarbir]

@@MaximaMac this didn't age well

[@harmannd7270]

Simarbir Gill :/

[@AnnaZude]

DK Kahlon i was thinking the same thing about the blues and then they won the cup! the flames will win eventually hopefully soon for your sake

[@tommykankare6775]

In my opinion that was the best and the most exciting Stanley Cup Final series since Flames vs Canadiens in 1989! 🏆 It still hurts because the Flames should have won that Cup, every one of the team battling so hard with the heart on their sleeve! I love that 03-04 Flames team (and as Finnish 🇫🇮) we had Miikka "Kipper" Kiprusoff, Toni Lydman, Ville "Nemo" Nieminen and as a European I like that team enforcer was Krzysztof Oliwa "The Polish Hammer" 🇵🇱🔨 who had an amazing season as well and he led the league with 33 fighting majors! That season and playoff series was a Last Hurrah to the Old Time Hockey! 💪

[@aidenhess8570]

Jarome Igunla’s name was being etched onto the Conn Smythe Trophy until that very moment

[@nords1980]

anyone else just upset it was actually 14 years ago ; ; where does time go?

[@A.stallion27]

Now more than 15 years 😓 .... Still remember as this was one of the first finals I've watched as a kid

[@ryan979_]

R. Bats as a lightning fan i was 7 at the time and watched game 7 on dvd about 1,000 times. i can basically quote it at this point

[@ericwilliams398]

Ahhhhh the Red Mile in ‘04, crazy times when I was much slimmer and still had hair on my scalp

[@dav0113]

Still pissed about it and now it's 16 years. I think it's a pain we'll never get over LOL

[@mikew3467]

16 😥

[@davids.nelson9809]

The puck is barely lifted up off the ice as it hits the goalies pad, then goes down in the ice as it hits his toe. The puck is on the ice when it hits his toe, while it fully crosses with the white line in place. No parallax science BS as it isn't in the air , that is to cover their ass!

[@charliehenning9446]

Who’s here after Coleman’s “kick” game 5

[@SubscriptionUnboxing]

Yes, robbed again from a chance at the cup.

[@zachamante7601]

im still thinking if it was a goal or not

[@noahbiehler3181]

lol robbed from having the oilers tie it late and losing in overtime anyway. or robbed from losing in 6. or from losing in 7. "robbed from a chance at the cup" lmfao. @@SubscriptionUnboxing

[@kylerutherford]

I remember watching that goal. I was at my high school graduation and years later they shoulda got that goal.

[@juliangarcia1221]

You must be 34 if you graduated in 2004

[@Ardyrezv]

Julian Garcia Einstein is that you?

[@shuozhang6947]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M

[@Hexinvir]

It's really hard to tell because of the angle. There was no kicking motion, but from the angle they showed, it does look like it went in; but from the angle we are looking from, the part of the pick in the air still might not have crossed the line. Very tough call.

[@stephenoakleaf3647]

there is a lot of dispute calls in the NHL but this was the most dispointing for the Flames. . it was a close seris for both teams but it would have been a go ahead goal towards winning the Stanley cup

[@EverTM]

This may be the worst call in the history of the entire game. Literally decided the championship, an entire fucking season. I'm not, nor ever have been a Calgary fan (I actually really like the team Tampa was fielding that year, if I'm honest) but the call to not review it and just let play continue still has me salty 16 years later. Calgary won '03 in my mind. God damn.

[@hibiki8473]

@@EverTM it was a goal but let's not pretend series is over. There was still 7 minutes in regulation. And even looking if we pretend it was right call it still went to double overtime

[@hockeyislife2]

@@EverTM it was ‘04 but yeah

[@jungular1]

It was not a goal. Kicking motion. Even if it had been reviewed the tiny sliver of white seen between the puck and line was likely only seen due to the camera being positioned in front of net instead of within the plane of the goal line. It is called parallax. Refs are aware of this and that tiny sliver of white would not have existed if the viewed from directly above. The camera from directly above was obscured due to the angle of his pads so the refs would have had no way to definitively call it a goal.

[@danangell5482]

@@EverTM It wasn't a goal. The puck didn't cross the line. How can it be the worst call when they got the call right? If it happened in today's game, the Lightning might have won in regulation after getting a power play from a delay of game against Calgary for a losing challenge.

[@patriik0]

It was a couple of years since i watched this game but I remember Khabibulin going out behind the net nearly losing the puck, Steve Montador firing a slap shot which was stopped by Khabibulins pad and Marcus Nilson nearly scoring the game winner, the puck was stopped by Khabibulins arm. It would be great to watch these again!

[@kentarofromwiisports9744]

1st angle looks in. 2nd angle has me wondering about the parallax error but yea there was no kicking motion either way. Honestly I can’t tell ya if it was in or out 100%

[@shuozhang6947]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M

[@manuginobilisbaldspot424]

The overhead view clearly shows it didn't cross the line That side view isn't conclusive because it is angled...parallax effect there. It wasn't a goal people.

[@patriik0]

Do you have more footage from this game? I would like to watch the final minutes of the game and some of the first overtime.

[@MugenKendama]

Clearly in, puck was on edge, Iggy did win the cup!

[@somewheredec]

@Christopher Hagee YEAH THATS CALLED HORSE SHIT PROPAGANDA.

[@kalakukko6979]

Even if they had called the goal Tampa could have tied the game.

[@lukaz3336]

@@kalakukko6979 They didnt score in regulation anyway after the robbery so no they wouldnt of tied it.

[@kalakukko6979]

@@lukaz3336 We will never no so it's useless to talk about it now 15 years later. Tampa could've scored 3 goals if that Calgary's goal would've counted or Calgary could've scored more goals than that we'll never know. Tampa could have had good chance to tie the game in the end of the period when they would have taken the sixth player on the ice.

[@lukaz3336]

@@kalakukko6979 But they didnt score in regulation after the robbery.

[@SeemsLikeSomething]

It’s absolutely a goal. He was pivoting to stop, no follow through kicking motion. No doubt. A goal.

[@jogendron6320]

Puck is not even in lmao 😂

[@SeemsLikeSomething]

Jo Gendron The replay clearly showed it cross the goal line before bouncing off his toe pad and out.

[@jogendron6320]

Nope. You can argue it for another 15 years if you want. No goal.

[@jogendron6320]

Keep going with the insults, it’s gonna make the puck go in 15 years later!

[@SeemsLikeSomething]

Jo Gendron You seem like a reasonable fella. Lol

[@ustovar]

I’m a lighting fan but that was in 100%

[@NightHawk12to81]

No, it wasn't. They reviewed it during Game 7 and the announcers admitted they were wrong and the puck never crossed.

[@chiefbeanus3224]

NightHawk12to81 are you blind, at least some Tampa fans can admit that it was in

[@somewheredec]

@@NightHawk12to81 They used some nonsense cgi situation that made 10000 biased assumptions about parallax and then animated it not being in. It was pure propaganda. THe NeWs ChanEl ShowEd Me MatH I DoN'T ActualLy UnDERSTAND.......SO iT's TrUe!" I'm a Leafs fan...that shit was 100000000000% in the fucking net.

[@Mrnumber]

@@NightHawk12to81 they had to do that to cover their ass.

[@ils3325]

The puck was not actually on the ice, so while it may appear to be over the line, there is no way to tell from the side angle. It's an optical illusion.

[@truezalexander4010]

Watching the game tonight. I remember this like it was yesterday hahaha

[@MrJoeBreezy]

I don't know why I keep going back to watch this, makes me angry every time. (Raised in Calgary)

[@sabineschroeder8949]

and here we are again.

[@IMG.PNG564]

Clearly in

[@Traducteur1]

Kicking motion my foot. He was clearly braking to avoid running into the net! 😃

[@Weitsma]

This made me cry back then and right now 😥

[@toewsheggedal5788]

I’m a flames fan and I just watched rock Em sock em, a cried watching this

[@TropicsHC]

Gotta feel bad for iggy... dude was a workhorse his whole career and this flames team got screwed bad. I still remember the news paper next day had a quote from the ref saying it was a goal and he made a mistake but all that does is make it even worse for those flames players

[@Jiltedin2007]

It looked like the puck went off the skate of Martin Gelinas with the entire puck across the Goal Line.

[@bobzyurunkel]

“It was in” now belongs to the leafs.

[@ShreddnR6]

in a few years, when the flames win one of these, i hope iggy is in the stands and i want someone to call him down and say “you deserve this more than all of us”

[@rsm1353]

factss

[@stepdaddyj]

Lol , doesn't look like there winning anything

[@keagenjacobsen8329]

ITS A GOAL THE PUCK IS FULLY ACROSS THE LINE THE FLAMES SHOULD OF WON THE CUP

[@joshbeekmans3686]

+Dragon Killer4318 i know right my gosh i hate those refs

[@isamarchambers]

+Pizza-P Gamer they made a CGI comparison of the angles and it was confirmed no goal

[@joshbeekmans3686]

Isaac Chambers so, that CGI comparison thing is wrong. It is fully acroos

[@edwardofgreene]

Across the line or not it was kicked in - no goal

[@hyracatherium]

The puck may deflect off of any part of a skaters body and go into the net, as long as the puck is not pushed towards the goal. A player can direct a puck into the net using his skates. The skate must not be in a forward motion (relative to the player), AKA a kicking motion. When the player is stopping, he may be moving forward, but there is no kicking motion. If the puck completely crosses the line (which in my opinion it does), the goal should be counted.

[@nhl159]

I don't know he sort of had kicking motion on it but I would call it a goal probaly

[@aliaksandrhn1]

I remember watching this game live on TV but I do not remember them talking about the distinct kicking motion. I always thought they didn't count the goal because the thought the puck did not completely cross the goal line. Was it because of the kicking motion?

[@danangell5482]

No, it was because the puck did not completely cross the line.

[@danangell5482]

@@shanerboy9593 Sorry, but it did not.

[@danangell5482]

@@shanerboy9593 If it's debatable, then it's no goal. In order to award a goal, there must be no doubt at all that the puck crossed the line.

[@Roswell01Area51]

When the Toronto Raptors won the NBA 15 years later in 2019 you know that a Canadian team is going to win it eventually in the 21st Century; Oilers in 2006 and the Canucks in 2010 went to game 7's and lost.

[@tybg-]

Ottawa to the ducks 07

[@DocSpratley33]

The 2021 Stanley cup will go to a first time winner.

[@Roswell01Area51]

@@DocSpratley33 Tampa Bay Lightning again won it against the Dallas Stars in Edmonton.

[@dmullz100]

oilers vs tampa. Oilers win in game 6 OT, Mcjesus breakaway, for hand, back hand!

[@InfiniteHorizons]

Canucks actually went in 2011

[@BobMcCoy]

*Shouldve been Calgary*

[@dalemassicotte6198]

But who won? Yeah let that sink in

[@whatthehecc5895]

@@dalemassicotte6198 doesn't matter who won. That's Calgary's cup.

[@snitzybaby7320]

@Tactix88 They still should of won it game 6.

[@snitzybaby7320]

@Tactix88 It was a goal that wasn't called, you have to be blind to say that it DIDNT cross the line.

[@shuozhang6947]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M watch

[@rossroedel5280]

I miss the ESPN with Gary Thorne and Bill Clement.

[@jefffunnell6205]

I was in Calgary that night will never forget it

[@UkonJohnNord]

Clearly in, goal.

[@About36Greekss]

I cannot stand the flames but that’s a goal

[@NightHawk12to81]

It's not.

[@chiefbeanus3224]

NightHawk12to81 it is

[@shuozhang6947]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M

[@jeffvanblommestein6767]

And to think I was at that game.... by myself.. got a solo seat only to have ex Flame, St Louis break all our hearts in OT!

[@ggqbc]

If I remember correctly we had no idea in Canada until well later as we didn't get that replay. Someone said something to the Canadian crew and they showed it

[@douglaseconomou7222]

Goal. The Flames are the true champs.

[@christianmatava7635]

If they were the true champs they would’ve won regardless

[@christian5026]

@Connor Prieston how so? Cause I’m pretty sure the only goal Calgary scored in game 7 was on a power play due to an egregious call against Tampa 😂 they couldn’t do it and needed a bad call to score. You’re right the refs sucked and Calgary took advantage.

[@ThunderHockeyTFL]

This is bettman showing his love for canada. Or not. Thats a damn goal calgary shouldve hoisted that cup no doubt. Gotta give the cup to an american team tho right bobblehead bettman

[@brandonwong4607]

You speak as if this goal was in overtime and they would of won the cup? The was 7 minutes left in the game bro. Tampa could of easily tied it. There's a a lot of could've, should've, would've. Accept it and move on. Flames lost.

[@thebigfranker]

Not like its the only controversial goal in Cup Finals history anyways. Puck was in, you can see white behind the goal line, but since the ref was on the other side obviously he couldn't see it

[@hermunkulus]

The Canucks were up 2-0 and 3-2 in the finals against the Bruins in 2011. If it weren't for Aaron Rome's momentum shifting hit on Nathan Horton in the beginning of game 3 (which was scoreless at the time), I have no doubt Vancouver wins it. This whole "Bettman doesn't want a Canadian team to win" narrative is tiring.

[@shuozhang6947]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M

[@user-pw3qb1fn5r]

In a parallel universe out there somewhere this is a goal and the Flames are 2004 cup champs along with the Oilers winning it in 2006 to make it back to back years for Alberta

[@roybod7558]

Anyone here after game 5 flames vs oilers

[@REDKRAKEN18]

Goal

[@Aijaleena]

The answer is obvious to the question was it across the line or not, we have this video cmon. The question is why it wasnt never registered as a goal?

[@Makchete]

They should have had a video review. Seems like refs were 100% sure that it wasn't in?

[@NightHawk12to81]

Because it was not across the line.

[@shuozhang6947]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M

[@agile564]

I'm here because of the no goal in game 5 of the Oilers flames series.

[@bryantobin9792]

So let me get this right if the goal counted series is 4-2 Flames win? iggy gets his cup, vinny, st louis and richards go down as not having one until richards wins in chicago?

[@jogendron6320]

If the goal counted there’s still time on the clock, Vinny ties it up with :26 left in 3rd and rest is the same. St-Louis in OT to force game 7 and yaddi yadda

[@knokout1]

I love how there's a top down angle where you can clearly see it never go in but everyone uses that side angle as "evidence"

[@itookashittoday1146]

That’s the parallax. Let’s be real if this was ruled a goal it would be an even bigger controversy than it is now lmao

[@onoclan]

The flames won the cup

[@vinceniederman3235]

@onoclan They Did and I Was Rooting The Flames in That Cup Finals in 2004 As a Flyers Fan!

[@onoclan]

@@vinceniederman3235 i know but flyers fans have been struggling for a long time

[@onoclan]

@@vinceniederman3235 hopefully flyers win one day

[@mikoinuio]

Haha keep telling that to yourself sore loser 😂

[@onoclan]

​@@mikoinuio Lightning fan I am guessing but what team retired Jarome Iginla .

[@liketada1]

watching this for the first time and that was in… i’m a wings and lightning fan

[@begley09]

100% a goal, not the same as Edmonton series.

[@AadheenNaz-ek6or]

Bro the puck crossed the line the refs are blind

[@hockeycj1153]

Rip Iginla

[@scottrichards4445]

Khabibulin what a goalie he was truly awesome all Season so deserved a break lol.I still say he made one of the best saves I have ever seen in the game 7 with 4.57 to go in the 3 rd to keep it at 2,1 rebound shot from Jordan Leopald jeeze louise I closed my eyes as I was sure they had tied the game .

[@stefaniverson2739]

You don’t deserve a break for being a good player. If that’s the case then why not just count one of Iginla’s shots as a goal?

[@halt1931]

Look, I can see white from ice between the crossbar and the goal line from that angle too, that doesn't mean the crossbar is past the goal line. The puck is in the air, so it looks like its in from that angle because you can see white between it and the goal line, but that's because its airborne.

[@ziggle5000]

It's a waste of time trying to explain simple gemotery, better to just laugh at them.

[@RodCalidge]

This was definitely a goal. A Stanley Cup winning goal. And a record goal that surely would never have been broken. 4 Series winning goals, including the cup winner by one player in one post season. Martin Gelinas was robbed of that. And I was rooting for the Lightning.

[@StevenJS89]

You’re delusional because they’ve already debunked that it went in

[@dntapringl8314]

IMO, this play doesn’t change the fact that there was a game 7. That should’ve been the motivation for flames fans/players to win the cup, not focusing on conspiracies.

[@holup2691]

Greg Dobson On top of that, say the review calls it in and it’s 3 - 2. We can’t tell how Tampa respond after being down a goal. Saying the Flames “were the actual winners” is just well-wishing. Flames didn’t have an answer for Tampa in Game 7. They lost.

[@Tapperlite1]

Its not a kicking motion. But I think the rule needs to be rewritten if they called it this way. If it said "no skate moving towards the net and/or a distinct kicking motion shall result in a no goal call." Then this call would've been good.

[@fanofsome7915]

They would’ve won the 2005 Stanley Cup if that stupid lockout didn’t happen. 😡 Let’s go🔥🔥🔥

[@birdman79rocks]

And now it's the battle between 2 asterisk cup winners in my opinion. Flames and Sabres were f@*ked over. Screw the Stars and Bolts!!

[@Jordan-cz9fw]

no goal! A. no definitive proof it was in, the one angle it "appears" to be in isnt proof it was in because of the puck being in the air and the angle we are looking at, it could be a foot from the line at that angle and look in. B. was it kicked in even if it did cross the line??? the kicking motion and it being over the line are equally controversial. Calgary fans can be bitter but the right call was made because of no proof. there was 7 minutes left in this game, OT in this game and a full game 7 for Calgary to finish it off and win the cup but they couldnt get it done. nobody was robbed of anything.

[@durtcobain1079]

Yup

[@atorodudjjdiiak9421]

By that logic no goal could ever be scored. If you aren’t taking the literal camera evidence as proof then nothing will ever count. Use your brain. The camera caught it over the line. Clearly a goal

[@durtcobain1079]

@@atorodudjjdiiak9421 nope it was a camera angle that made it look like it was

[@Jordan-cz9fw]

​@@atorodudjjdiiak9421 what are you talking about? there was no proof, from 1 angle it appeared in because of the illusion created by the puck being in the air and the angle the camera was at, every goal there is camera proof that it was in, this one there wasnt and thats why it wasnt a goal. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4SqaaCwrNyCqZo you could put a puck a foot in the air and 2 feet from the goal line and film it from the blue line and see white ice between the goal line and the puck, doesnt mean its in, use your brain.

[@Jordan-cz9fw]

@@atorodudjjdiiak9421 by your logic just about every puck close to the net could be call a goal if you can find a camera angle that the puck appears to be in the net

[@saturn1949]

i don't like tampa or calgary cuz im a leafs fan but i think calgary deserved that cup(leafs fans feel your pain, all our goals are denied)

[@shuozhang6947]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M

[@rmcmccormack1368]

Ya those are great I will have it up soon sorry for the wait

[@dennisg633]

I am not a flames fan but that was a goal just like the one against Edmonton in 2022. Flames got fucked by NHL both times.

[@Kwolf1]

Clearly in u can see the white in between

[@shuozhang6947]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M

[@ildibaba11]

I was pissed off at this. But I hope that Calgary will win another cup. We have a young team, and will shine in a few years.

[@sybrik5605]

Im tampa fan and this clearly crossed the line

[@ryan979_]

You’re not a tampa fan lol

[@tomaszlipiec4391]

​@@ryan979_Jest Prawdziwy fan swojego zespolu potrafi byc obiektywny Natomiast jedno jest pewne Ty zadnym fanem nie jestes Malo Ty nawet nie stales kolo prawdziwego fana NHL Czy Ci sie to podoba czy nie To byl gol dla Plomieni I pisza to rownierz fani innych zespolow NHL w tym z Tampy tez Jak ten uczciwy i prawdziwy fan Tampy

[@antonjonsson7407]

even as a bolts fan i think it went in

[@shuozhang6947]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M

[@toadthechode9491]

Good goal.

[@gkoknok6076]

Didn’t know that winning goals were scored with 6 min left. And I don’t buy that he didn’t position his foot to let it go in.

[@BasePuma4007]

This makes me cringe.

[@rieldebonk1044]

HOW IS THAT CRINGE HOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[@desmonddubois8902]

Riel de bonk shut the fuck up your the definition of cringe

[@GuinnessMichael]

No goal. Sorry flames fans. Puck never crossed the line. One of the greatest saves in Stanley Cup history

[@owenritchie6730]

It was dancing on top of the line but didn’t go in it happened the refs didn’t know what to do so no goal the lightning got lucky that’s all (at lest they got the cup and the flames got it back in 1989 it was petty quick to get it to 9 years that’s pretty impressive!)

[@declaninc]

It's pretty crazy they didn't even look at it, must not have realized it was that close

[@danangell5482]

They looked at it.

[@haidodinho7635]

Puck was in and it was not a distinct kicking motion.

[@AmericanMetalhead100]

Calgary got screwed.

[@humansareawesome3274]

Kicking motion with skate or in?

[@thebigfranker]

Went of the shaft of the stick so doesn't matter

[@Makchete]

@@thebigfranker I don't think so, doesn't seem to hit the stick at any point.

[@thebigfranker]

@@Makchete It's definitely above the top of the skate, off the shin maybe?

[@brentbates5057]

Goal.. and so was Bennet goal 16 or so years later

[@jimdraven2432]

The puck CLEARLY crossed the line here. I smell a Bettman.

[@uriah9645]

Flames, Oilers and Canucks all 3 western Canadian teams went to the finals in the 21 century and lost in game 7

[@Adam-rx5fr]

Wonder why? Because Canada's fan arent going anywhere. The NHL needs to bring in fans from the US especially the slower markets, to become relevant so they spread the cup around the States. Aside from Boston beating Vancouver the Hurricanes and Lightning had no fan fare before "winning" the cup. Or we should say before being given the cup. The NHL is just another corrupted corporation. It's very common in the corporate world.

[@Tabbychu]

@@Adam-rx5fr Yep. Bettman's NHL.

[@limeshathrow2569]

GOAL! WE WERE FUCKING ROBBED!

[@Horvie01]

No you werent it would still be called no goal because he kicked it in p.s I'm not saying I think he kicked it in but with refs these days it still would of been ruled no goal

[@LeanMrfuzzles]

if you've ever seen ABC's animation of the incident it comes as close as you can possibly get to proving it WASN'T a goal...so no, you weren't.

[@thedoolinator]

Alex Horvath That's not a kick. Anyone who says that that was kicked in really doesn't understand what they mean when they say "distinct kicking motion." Skating into the puck like that is not kicking it in.

[@LeanMrfuzzles]

thedoolinator it doesn't matter if it was kicked or not anyway it never crossed the line.

[@thedoolinator]

Well that's not what I said at all is it? There seem to be two main arguments being had: 1) did it cross the line, and 2) was it kicked. I was addressing 2) saying no, it was not kicked.

[@annarodenburg3082]

it was a goal you can clearly see the whole puck is crossed the line!!

[@failtolawl]

I can show you 10 camera angles of it clearly across and 10 of it clearly not across.

[@catalprod]

failtolawl >making comments without directly providing the stated evidence. Seems legit.

[@failtolawl]

***** just watch the video for the evidence... you can't determine it based on half of those camera angles.

[@jogendron6320]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p33Ep2duZqeJe6M

[@bradywatts208]

The refs though were on the side of the goal, can’t blame them probably looked like it was in front of the line, but it still should’ve counted. Then again this is from a guy who has the Blues and Blackhawks (rivals) as his 2 favorite teams so what the heck?

[@yourmother6639]

1:00 the net moved a bit to

[@AgentDusto]

goal

[@jrc01718]

I was cheering for Tampa this series...but that puck was 100% in.

[@thedoolinator]

If you can see it from any angle, while on the ice*, where there is white between the puck and the line, it was in. I personally believe that was the case.

[@DarkRaven47]

This many years later, I'm still surprised how stupid some people are saying Calgary for sure would have won the Cup if this was called correctly. Yes, the puck was in and it was a brutal call. But if it was called a goal, Tampa would have pushed hard for the tying goal and would have pulled their goalie. There is no GUARANTEE Tampa wouldn't have tied it back up. As it was, both teams weren't taking any chances and the game went into overtime. Tampa would have been pushing HARD in the last seven minutes to tie it and they very well may have. Yeah, it sucks for the Flames but all these people saying they definitely would have won the Cup because they would have had a one-goal lead with seven minutes left are all complete idiots. Seven minutes with their playoff lives on the line and Tampa FOR SURE wouldn't have tied it up? Okay. Talk about delusional.

[@nickythecat6826]

I aggre with you but the flames could had scored in an empty net

[@NightHawk12to81]

I’m not sure how people still think the puck was in. We know with 100% certainty now it was not.

[@hockeyislife7686]

I don’t even like the flames but this just bugs me bettman will do everything in his power to make sure Canadian teams don’t win

[@amazinmets8439]

That is NOT a conclusive angle to be able to tell if it is a goal or not. To everyone saying "That's a goal!! I see white between the puck and the line!!" please understand it's an optical illusion created when the puck is in the air. Do the experiment yourself: Lift a puck directly OVER a line but NOT across it. Now look at it from an angle. Looks like the puck is OVER the line, right? But it is NOT, is it?

[@quentincampbell612]

In all due respect to St.Louis and all the other Lightning players,the puck may be in the air but,it's across the line completely. You have to go by what it appears to do right then and not make theories about why it's not and certainly not some CGI animation that is displayed months after the fact. Besides,it's pro sports leagues are sports entertainment! It's not so important to warrant computer animation. It's not the Zapruder film everyone!

[@bradywatts208]

They really could not of gotten a better angle. It looked like it was on the line but it could've been called in.

[@waynejohanson1083]

Lets say the goal was allowed, does not mean the Flames win that game. There is still 6 and half minutes left for Tampa to tie it. Plenty of time.