2008 Canadian Grand Prix | Round 7/18

[@RyanMonks-s2i]

This race is full of what ifs in hindsight. Bmw 1st win and then not continuing development Robert kubica 1 and only win

[@alexlazebat839]

coulthard last podium

[@cd9759]

"Apologised to Kimi if i ruined his race". IF???? You rammed into the back of him and took him out 😂

[@alexlazebat839]

yes should of be banned til silverstone but another other placing means just as good

[@cd9759]

@alexlazebat839 dont think a ban was necessary

[@alexlazebat839]

@@cd9759 really i think had he a points system he would of been

[@sergeishchev_1858]

😂👍

[@tristanwhite3472]

@@cd9759 agree.

[@VenusDoom891]

37:02 bet that was forgotten come Brazil but Glock's mistake delaying his teammate actually gifted Massa an extra point - so overall Glock was fair in his dealings with the main championship contenders 🙂

[@Digsha_2102]

Never understood how people could be angry about Glock in brazil. He was one of the cars which gambled staying on slicks. He simply couldn't fight for position and there's nothing he could've done to race Hamilton. And I'll also never understand the count on "dealings" with championship contenders. Its called racing

[@VenusDoom891]

Kubica's run here was kind of like Frentzen was in 1999 - always picking up everything from McLaren's and Ferrari's mishappenings. What a shame they couldn't keep it up for a big upset! (Then again he does stay in contention till quite late on). Indeed another similarity to 1999 is that I know it's different circumstances but the driver expected to be Ferrari's #2 actually ended up being their main title challenger!

[@1greenMitsi]

what do you mean 'they couldn't keep it up?' Its well documented they stopped development of the 2008 early to start on 2009 as they had achieved all their goals. Not a case of not keeping up its a case of not wanting to

[@eugenelazarev9795]

Great thumbnail of a historic Canadian Grand Prix! Among drivers who led the championship and never been a champion Kubica is one of the strongest ever. BMW Sauber was looking strong in 2008 and had a real chance to win the title but they stopped to improve the car too early. Rare pit exit crash and brilliant hairpin Massa's overtake are moments to remember also. Thanks Zeddie, we go! 🏁✌

[@tristanwhite3472]

All True.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes they should have continued the development of the 2008 Car Kubica could have maybe Won the Championship or got more Wins or more Podiums.

[@zanemarte9877]

I know, blame the stupid corporate executives for telling the team to stop developing the 2008 car. Even Mario Theissan the team boss at BMW said in his Beyond The Grid podcast, he wasn't happy about it. Even Kubica wasn't happy about it either, he was angry and very annoyed had the team told the BMW executives "We have a chance to win the World Championship this year, let's go for it." They could've influenced the fight between Massa and Ferrari, and Hamilton and McLaren for the driver's and constructor's.

[@tristanwhite3472]

@zanemarte9877 Yes I agree with all that and all True.

[@tristanwhite3472]

@zanemarte9877 BMW had a good chance at winning the Championship they should of just gone for it!

[@RyanMonks-s2i]

Keep up the good work big zeddie, love the highlights. Will the 2008 highlights be up on rumble as they have already blocked Bahrain and Monaco wasn't allowed.

[@bigzeddie76]

For now I’m just going to upload the ones that can’t make it onto YT. Eventually I might do more on there when I have a bit more time 😅🤞

[@RyanMonks-s2i]

​@@bigzeddie76ok. Keep up the good work.

[@tristanwhite3472]

@@bigzeddie76 Thanks very much for this Race. I remember watching it Live.

[@Elfwald]

Haha. That famous run from Sutil

[@typeOwagner]

Jupp, a top sports man with a girly run🤣

[@sanfordcurtis8242]

That run would’ve become a meme had it happened today

[@alexlazebat839]

yes its on the season review so funny

[@tristanwhite3472]

That was a great double Overtake by Felipe Massa! Passed 2 Cars.

[@janwlaaa]

I remember watching this live and crying. Cheers from Poland!

[@strictlygrey]

41:39 I thought this was a sound effect but it's just the wheel gun in the background! Unreal timing!

[@zanemarte9877]

18:30 THE race winning moment for Kubica, Heidfeld and BMW. The executives at corporate should have NEVER told the team to stop developing the 2008 car, that was their best car and brought the fight to McLaren and Ferrari for the World Championship.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes Totally agree terrible decision choice. Silly stupid can't understand why. Kubica was very annoyed and angry at the decision and rightly soo. So was the team boss can't remember his name can't spell.

[@peterfighter]

Especially when Ferrari and McLaren had reliability issues, while BMW were bulletproof and Hamilton, Massa and Raikkonen made a lot of mistakes, while Kubica was flawless except Silverstone.

[@tristanwhite3472]

I remember this Race like it was yesterday.

[@tristanwhite3472]

David Coulthard’s last race victory was Australia 2003.

[@RyanMonks-s2i]

The pit lane incident was a silly error from Lewis but many people forget that rosberg also crashed into Lewis as well.

[@alexlazebat839]

but he was unsighted both got a penalty

[@kornonacob]

Only Dumb driver crashed into others...

[@alexlazebat839]

@@kornonacob ah lewis is dumb hooray no one mentions that the race engineers should of warned them

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes.

[@RyanMonks-s2i]

34:08 double pass into the hairpin by massa.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes it was a great Move.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes I like that double pass.

[@RyanMonks-s2i]

17:42 afternoon a whole lot more complicated for Lewis Hamilton, 18:30 Lewis crash.

[@LifeWithStefanDT]

The video thumbnail is brilliant 😂

[@Antonowskyfly]

Love the 200mph marmot thumb! Looks like Kubica made ol’ Jimbo eat that piece of cruddy gum. Thank you for the show Big Zeddie. 👍👍🤟🤙

[@jamiecloughgaming25387]

Great Performance from Robert Kubica! When he took the lead in the drivers title BMW should of taken that as a sign to keep up development of the car their strategy of putting all development into the 2009 car would have only worked if the regs had stayed the same instead of the major changes we got as their designer was not on Ross Brawn or Adrian Newey's level.

[@Hjtrne]

That red light signal at the pit lane exit consists of two alternating red lights. I suspect that confused Lewis a bit. If he's looking at the one red light that's currently on - when it turns off, that's precisely what happens at the start of the race. But here he needs to look for which other colour light turns on afterwards.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Kubica would of definitely finished ahead of Raikkonen in the Drivers Standings if they continued thr development of the 2008 Car. And he maybe would of won the Championship or at least mount a strong challenge. Kubica was driving his socks off he eas driving the wheels of that BMW he deserved more for his efforts.

[@theblackwidowchronicles]

Splendid....Many thanks

[@tristanwhite3472]

Nick Heidfeld was quite dissapointed he didn’t win cuz he wanted to win. But Kubica was in a better Position to win the Race he was on a one stop till the end and further ahead in the Championship. And the team wanted a 1-2 Finish which they got.

[@kornonacob]

Really stupid silly mistake by Lewis....

[@tombardsley3081]

After this race, BMW would make a costly mistake and stop car development despite leading the drivers title and being 3 points off the constructors. Sure, the new major rules were coming in next year, but no guarantees they would get it right, and as shown by 2009. Its like if Leicester city decided to stop playing up to 100% after they reached 40 points in 15/16, instead of going for it. Also i believe the tarmac issue is why we didn't go to canada for 2009 as they needed a year to fix the tarmac

[@tristanwhite3472]

It was a stupid decision stopping the development still can't figure out why they stopped development. Kubica was in a very strong position.

[@tristanwhite3472]

If a Driver has a good chance at winning the Championship you should continue the development. Kubica was pissed off about it and so was the team manager he was annoyed.

[@tombardsley3081]

@@tristanwhite3472 they didn't want to deviate from the grand plan of 2009 being the proper title challenging season. The issue with that was several other teams had already sacrificed 2008 development for 2009, so there were no guarantees that they'd be good for the next season.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes they made a Costly Mistake.

[@tristanwhite3472]

It was a stupid Costly mistake what were they thinking and it was the wrong decision stupid.

[@Dilstar22]

Its amazing how slow back then for the race officials to make a decision, a few laps went past for the safety car. Nothing changes even now in Brazil the slowness in making a decision was embarrassing

[@alexlazebat839]

mark blundell, mark webber europe 2007 was a podium for Red Bull

[@tristanwhite3472]

Big mistake not continuing the development of the 2008 BMW Car.

[@tristanwhite3472]

BMW knew they had a great Chance at winning the Race with Kubica and getting a 1-2 Finish.

[@tristanwhite3472]

And Robert Kubica was only on a one stop till the end of the Race so made sense. Kubica came out ahead of Heidfeld at the last pit stop leading a BMW 1-2 Finish.

[@C_and_C...]

Sadly Kubica's one & only victory.

[@ocn14s]

Kubica had Canada - Panis had Monaco - Elio had Austria 82 - I guess 1 victory is better than none - when you think about it the majority of them never win a race

[@C_and_C...]

@ocn14s Elio de Angelis had two grand prix victories, the other being Imola 1985. Jean Alesi is another that comes to mind that should have had more than one.

[@nigelmurphy6761]

​@@ocn14s you forgot alesi in Canada in 1995

[@ocn14s]

@@C_and_C... You're right C and C - I'd forgotten that one - I think Austria '82 would have meant more to him, God rest him, - another guy i always rated from that era who never won a race was Derek Warwick - he never really got the breaks he needed

[@ocn14s]

@@nigelmurphy6761 True Nigel, I'd forgotten that one too - good fast driver but a touch erratic

[@billythekid-bestservant1]

10:58 Crazy how the lead already made a 3 second gap from the p2 in just 5 laps.

[@tristanwhite3472]

It was Nick Heidfeld’s best chance to win a GP in his Career. So he was quite annoyed but still a 1-2 finish.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Heidfeld was quite disappointed annoyed because it was his best chance to win a GP in his Career.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Kubica was quicker than Heidfeld but Kubica was on a Lighter Fuel Load.

[@tristanwhite3472]

1st BMW, 2nd BMW, 1st Robert Kubica, 2nd Nick Heidfeld,

[@Outcry4truth]

This race was just something else. The entire season I enjoyed, but Kimi wasn't as good as the previous year. I wouldn't say I didn't like Massa, I wasn't really a fan of his as a driver but I rooted for him because he was driving a Ferrari. And I'm not a Hamilton or McLaren fan, so seeing Massa and Hamilton battling out for the title wasn't as great as seeing Kimi battling for it. In any case it was a good season. Now Robert I liked more than Massa and Lewis and BMW I liked better than McLaren but less than Ferrari, so I was happy for him, but what could have been?! Kimi was gaining pace, who knows what would have happened if Lewis didn't take him out!

[@tristanwhite3472]

A BMW 1-2 Finish Kubica 1st, Heidfeld 2nd.

[@Sticktothemodels]

The Kanye - Touch The Sky intro brings back some great memories. The mid 00’s!!

[@lukashodgson]

My favourite ever Hamilton *uckup 😂 (as a Lewis fan). Kimi's reaction is comedy gold... "There's a red light there mate!"

[@alexlazebat839]

my fav kimi moment did you win the championship lewis? lewis no kimi are you sure?

[@lukashodgson]

@alexlazebat839 🤣

[@petergalloway1738]

Is this Couthard’s last podium?

[@yudhabagaskara98]

Yes

[@Squishy3088]

Zeddie are you going to do the 2004 to 2006 f1 seasons on rumble

[@alexlazebat839]

few are

[@RyanMonks-s2i]

Kovalinen was awful in this race. He had bad luck in turkey and failure in Spain but he should be aiming for the podium, not scoring points isn't good

[@somedude7737]

Who's Kovalinen?

[@dylanracho3536]

Bros commenting like the race happened yesterday

[@nigelmurphy6761]

He wasn't awful just unlucky

[@philllawrence1580]

He was unlucky and let's not forget Lewis crashed into Kimi in the pitlane which changed everything!

[@tombardsley3081]

@@nigelmurphy6761 he was awful compared to his teammate. Barring a couple of times, he wasn’t anywhere close to taking points off the Ferraris. He’s the reason McLaren didn’t win the constructors

[@tristanwhite3472]

No Points for McLaren or Renault. And McLaren was the quickest car this weekend. Very well suited to this race Track the McLaren is compared to Ferrari and others.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Alonso got some Oversteer which stepped the back end out onto the Marbles and then Spun out.

[@tristanwhite3472]

And BMW knew they could get a 1-2 Finish and Kubica was much closer in the Championship further ahead in the Championship and he was on a 1 stop till the end of the race.

[@tristanwhite3472]

The Track is very well suited for the McLaren.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Kubica might of passed him anyway he was very close to him because Kubica was on a lighter Fuel Load. Heidfeld was Fueled to the finish.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Heidfeld started 9th Finished 2nd still very good.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Heidfeld started 9th on the Grid Finished 2nd can still be happy.

[@RyanMonks-s2i]

The track surface made it easier for mistakes as it was disintegrating throughout the weekend.

[@alexlazebat839]

like dallas 1984

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes

[@tristanwhite3472]

Team orders were necessary and right decision.

[@Hjtrne]

But illegal, right?

[@tristanwhite3472]

Mark Blundell said at the end BMW will have to do a lot of work but they stopped all the development stupid. They stopped the Development after this Race.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Alonso got some Oversteer back end stepped out onto the Marbles. Spun out shame.

[@goonizuka5895]

The stewards' hesitation about this red light in the pitlane, this season is one of the most doubtful of all!

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes

[@alexlazebat839]

well rosberg got a grid penalty despite finishing the race

[@tristanwhite3472]

It was annoying and frustrating seeing Kubica and BMW Fade away towards the end of the season because they stopped Development on the Car stupid decision. Kubica faded out of contention which was totally not his fault. Felt bad for Heidfeld too.

[@1greenMitsi]

Lol what was Hamilton thinking shagging it into Kimi 😂

[@tristanwhite3472]

Alonso really wanted to get past Nick Heidfeld he could have if he didn’t Oversteer the back end steps out on to the marbles he spun out.

[@RyanMonks-s2i]

29:27 you've crashed into kimi and eliminated him. 🙄

[@tristanwhite3472]

Timo Glock 4th, Jarno Trulli 6th, The 2 Toyota's.

[@davidkoreck1341]

Didn't look at the lights

[@tristanwhite3472]

Mark Webber's best season was 2010 followed by 2011.

[@tristanwhite3472]

The Track Suits the McLaren more than the Ferrari.

[@davidkoreck1341]

8 time world champion after this

[@AdamTheMan1993]

From one of his best wins at Monaco to the most embarassing retirement in Hamilton's career

[@tombardsley3081]

Kind of summed up his 2008. Every great win was countered by a stupid scrappy weekend . Lucky to win the title with that many errors

[@fabiansakutu7778]

@@tombardsley3081 You say that but massa's awful performance most notably in Silverstone is not championship worthy. Would've been unlucky to not win 2007 or 2008 when he arguably should've won both.

[@tombardsley3081]

@@fabiansakutu7778 I would argue running into someone in the pit lane isn't championship worthy. If you counter with outstanding drives, Massa also had outstanding drives. Bahrain, Valencia, Brazil in the rain which was deserving of a championship until what happened at the last corner with Hamilton who was bottling it with being passed by Vettel until he got passed Glock. Also Massa had way more misfortune than what Hamilton had

[@fabiansakutu7778]

​@@tombardsley3081 We had schumacher crashing into trulli in Malaysia and Sato in Japan 2003 like a headless chicken whilst already being a 5 time world champion. I wouldn't say accidents isn't worthy of him winning the title. But there is a massive skill issue with massa especially in the rain spinning 7 times in one race and spinning on the opening lap of the 2008 season because there was no traction control. He had a better car overall and bottled it regardless of his bad luck. Hamilton had harsh penalties that year and drove better in a slightly slower car. Winning by 60 seconds at silverstone was enough to validate the 2008 title.

[@tombardsley3081]

@@fabiansakutu7778 rear ending another car on the straight twice is a skill issue. Rear ending a stationary car in the pit lane is a skill issue. The McLaren and Ferrari were well matched in 2008. And Hamilton wasn't given harsher penalties. They were either fair or given the minimum that was around for at the time. There were no 5 or 10 second time penalties back in 2008. Drive through was the standard penalty for most incidents. Drivers got that for speeding in the pit lane. Hamilton was bottling it as well. Does Fuji not come to mind as well as the finale where he was getting beaten by 2 inferior cars? This was by far Hamilton's weakest championship win and arguably a worse season than his rookie year.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Were the team orders allowed on this occasion. They weren’t unfair team orders Nick Heidfeld didn’t need to let him past but he did but it was the right choice.

[@tristanwhite3472]

David Coulthard has gone well here in the past.

[@tristanwhite3472]

McLaren are very quick round this Track. Stronger than Ferrari here.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Even Alonso a double world champion got caught out.

[@blackspeedbikekilla]

dc's final podium in f1. robert kubica gets redemption for 2007, when he nearly died in his crash after colliding with jarno trulli's toyota. unfortunately this remains robert's one and only win. funnily enough he lead the championship after this motor race as well. but for just one grand prix. bmw sauber should not have decided to concentrate on 2009 so early in that season. sometimes you have to grab your opportunity with both hands when they come earlier than expected. we see it again with lando norris and the mclaren strategists this year. but lando and mclaren may get another chance next year. neither robert nor bmw sauber got one again.

[@alexlazebat839]

i was thinking that Spain 2007 was the last normal race he scored points, 3 after that were rain affected, 2008 safety cars races

[@blackspeedbikekilla]

@@alexlazebat839 yes, you're absolutely right, europe and japan 2007 we're crazy chaotic races with sc. so was singapore 2008, when dc scored his last two points by finishing 7th. "crash gate" remains the buzzword for that infamous race.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Does anyone think Nick Heidfeld should off stood his ground and not let Robert Kubica go past him?

[@tristanwhite3472]

Much better season for Toyota compared with 2007.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Kubica was quicker than Nick Heidfeld because he had a lighter Fuel Load.

[@RBenjo21]

Some suggestions after Brazil they should bring back the no-pitting rule…

[@tristanwhite3472]

Robert Kubica was very annoyed and Angry that they didn't continue the Development of the 2008 Car. He could of maybe won the Championship or mount a strong challenge win another race or 2.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Heidfeld let Kubica past him because Kubica was the best option of Winning the Race.

[@yudhabagaskara98]

It all started from pitlane exit chaos

[@tristanwhite3472]

David Coulthard 3rd for Red Bull. His bets result of the season and his Last Podium in F1. His first Podium since Monaco 2006. He had a bad season in 2008 he was Outperformed by Mark Webber but at least he got a Podium Finish. David Coulthard was the Oldest Driver in F1 he was past his best. He was right to retire.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Imagine if Nick Heidfeld didn't let Kubica through past him.

[@peterfighter]

I don't think Heidfeld let Kubica through, but he underestimated him and didn't expect him to attack. Also, Kubica was 2-3 seconds faster a lap in the free air and rejoined comfortably ahead after second stop.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Nick Heidfeld qualifying performances were bad in 2008 mainly because he struggled to get heat into the Tyres.

[@tristanwhite3472]

I wonder what would happen if Heidfeld didn’t let Kubica through past him?

[@sanfordcurtis8242]

I watched this live and my jaw hit the floor when Lewis crashed into Kimi

[@RBenjo21]

Surprised none of the top runners pitted before the safety car - it was always quite likely once the brake caught fire.

[@alexlazebat839]

not sure whether the pitlane was open presumably its the singapore thing

[@stanbubbles4453]

My first F1 race!

[@tristanwhite3472]

Heidfeld did the right thing letting Kubica go past him through into the Lead.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Important Kubica won and they get a 1-2 Finish.

[@tristanwhite3472]

McLaren were very strong round this track the track suited the McLaren perfect better than it suited the Ferrari. Yet McLaren scored nothing no points. McLaren was the fastest car this day on this track.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Kovalainen should of scored Points for McLaren.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Heidfeld let Kubica go past him so Kubica could win. And they got a 1-2 Finish.

[@tristanwhite3472]

It wasn’t Alonso’s fault.

[@VenusDoom891]

Hamilton wanting a close look at a Ferrari 17 years early (and I'm almost sure he chose to strategically hit the Ferrari rather than the BMW once he realised he couldn't stop in time).

[@tristanwhite3472]

Alonso was close behind Nick Heidfeld before he spun out.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Why didn’t they get some Powerful Blowers to blow all the debris off the Track.

[@tristanwhite3472]

BMW knew they could win with Kubica cuz he was on a 1 Stop before the end of the Race so they told Heidfeld to let him through into the lead Heidfeld let him pass.

[@tristanwhite3472]

The Track was in a bad state in 2006 as well lots of debris.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

Every time I watch this race I always forget how bad the track conditions were it was a good thing the track was dropped in 09 to fix the issues The pinnacle of BMW Sauber that day before they foolishly stopped development Also interesting stat of the day with the exception of 2013 between 2007 and 2017 Lewis either won the Canadian GP or DNF lol

[@AM44W11]

If it wasn't for his retirement Hamilton would've won 3 Canadian GP's in a row from 2007-2010

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

If button and him didn’t crash there’s a chance he wins 5 in a row from 2007-12 the braking zones really suited him

[@alexlazebat839]

well he was behind kubica and kimi plus he had soft tyres on meaning short stint to go onto hards doubtful

[@tristanwhite3472]

Shame what happened to Fernando.

[@paulwalton7786]

18:30 - oh Lewis!

[@moreno1105]

19,20 Raikkonen always the best 😎

[@RyanMonks-s2i]

29:11 kimi