2013 Tesla Model S (MF) with significant battery capacity drop

[@justinseau]

Thanks for sharing your journey and memories of your early years. It really raised this video beyond just another long range drive to a trip down memory lane for those like me who followed you only in the last year.

[@georgepelton5645]

That was an epic drive down memory lane! I really liked the flashback videos from 10 years ago, especially the first V1 supercharger.

[@DoingthingswithDAN]

It's insane how far this tech has advanced in 10 years

[@kwdavids1]

Oh the nostalgia! I encountered your channel in September of 2016 when I got my Model S. My favorite video is still Road Trip #1 with the Falcon when you said, "I'm still getting used to it." I love to watch driving around Norway. And as it happens, I'm wearing my Stormberg jacket today that I bought when I visited Oslo. I still have my 2016 Model S that my wife drives. I have a new Model Y. Thanks for all the videos over the years.

[@schubeedoo9097]

I loved these old videos with MF. After discovering your channel in 2016 I watched them all in a row and finally I ordered my Model S 60D end of 2016. I have 277k km on it and it is still like new. However I visited whole Norway at once with it. I went beyond Nordkapp until Grense Jakobselv (from Switzerland) That is what brings tears in my eyes cause it was that beautiful. Best decision ever and you helped me a lot. We even met each other once in Zurich. Take care Bjorn. You make the best EV tests.

[@geko_muc]

My friend, thank you so much for this video. This is such a wonderful flashback into the time 10 years ago. You changed the way so many people think about EVs today. You did so many stressful Nimber tasks and thousands of us watched your live streams and did not even turn-off when only the charging screen was visible for 10/20+ minutes. Bjørn, thank you and keep going. You deserved all the good things that happened in recent times. Takk, Danke.

[@georgewashington1621]

Bjorn, what a nice episode. You're an inspiration. I cant believe that its been over 10 years... I hope one day Elon finally gives you all the Roadsters he owes you.

[@martinweston8147]

Time capsule episode, I love it, remember when we were all 10 years younger 😂

[@ivangoubarevpascual4301]

And I remember the 13 year old high school student me watching your videos absolutely loving the Tesla and falling in love with Norway. Back then it was just playing Minecraft and riding my bike, no wars, no pandemic, no bills, those were really good times!

[@ATICrossX]

Like most of us have known before, by far the biggest damage to the battery is leaving it at 0% for long time, leaving it at 100% is much less damaging , especially since car drains slightly over time, so it won't be "full" all the time it was left. But with 0% it can actually eat up the buffer and fully kill the battery, not only degrade.

[@marcohillenga5068]

Exactly, especially since 100% is never true 100%, but with 0% and still some drain it can indeed cause irreversible damage to the cells.

[@temper44]

I believe the Tesla Roadster got bricked permanently if you let it sit at 0% over night.

[@spankeyfish]

Every battery chemistry has different charge level that minimises degradation.

[@AdamPearce]

Great story Bjorn. I never knew how you started - but you've provided hugely important information for my EV journey. Your runs with used KIAs were a huge help to give me a sense of what would work for me.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

Bjorn i started watching you in May 2015 when I got my used 2012 leaf . I remember you at your 1st place. Giving up your office job and all those great nimber task . Even with your boss and fun . And 2016 when you got Optimus prime. The long trip to your moms were you lived for awhile before coming back to oslo. And all your races with your friends. The ampera e trip to korea. You still are number 1 to me. Compared to all the new ev youtubers.

[@jjonkie]

oooh shiieeet already 10 years ? And i'm still at my desk watching Teslabjorn.... That's it, i'm D O N

[@Paddy_Mac]

Help me out so I can sleep tonight. What is DON?

[@philgower292]

@@Paddy_MacSee time stamp 16:39

[@paco9713]

😂😂😂😂

[@webdroid7938]

😂😂😂😂 D U N 16:40

[@thomasairbuspilot]

Wonderful video, with all the old footage spliced in, you truly earned your success!

[@smurfgudrun]

Love your sentimental look into the past. I appreciate your work and will always continue to follow your tests which are a great mix of a scientific approach, real usage (like banana box, headlights and trailer) AND good humor! Dont stop. You are easily beating the traditional car-media !!

[@jirizyka]

I have 2015 85D with 7,6% degradation at 226k km. I charge my Tesla only with Supercharger in range 3-93%. I sometimes charge on AC up to 100%

[@hetpeer4053]

Does your car have reduced supercharging speeds like the older 85?

[@jirizyka]

@@hetpeer4053 the maximum I've reached is 135kW. Charging curve is 20% 110kW, 30% 96kW, 40% 82kW, 50% 66kW, 60% 52kW, 70% 40kW, 80% 36kW.

[@PeterIsza]

I have a 2022 Model Y with 7,1% degradation at 61k km (made in China, LG Chem). I use it in the 20-80% range, occasionally to 100% (only did it 4-5 times). Mixed supercharger/home charging.

[@kodywillnauer9422]

@@hetpeer4053 mine does. I can get 117kW at start of charge if under 5% or so but anything above and it tapers down to 50kW so quick. It’s a huge bummer for cross country travel.

[@MrPeregrines]

@@PeterIsza WOW, that is a lot :(

[@nazzarenopisano652]

That was a REALLY enjoyable, and nostalgic video! Thank you for that, and thank you for all the work you've done over the last 10 years. I've learned so much from your videos, and also had many laughs. And they always make me feel better when I'm having a bad day!

[@daver3681]

Bjorn, what a great video and thanks for sharing the history. Can't believe it's been 10 years, I am sure you can't either. Those classic MF clips brought back memories for you and to many viewers like myself who have been watching you since the beginning. Some of my favorite videos where watching you making deliveries is MF, you look so young back then! Goodtimes and good memories, again thanks for sharing!

[@josemdbl4957]

Great old times! Thanks for sharing with us this journey, for the hard work and for sticking to your plan so that now we have great current times as well!!

[@matzefog591]

Very great to see the connections to the past! I really like that!

[@stephanbrenner3317]

I'm watching your videos nearly from the start 10 years ago. And there is a smile on my face when remembering these old days. Best regards from germany...

[@tomfitzgibbons6947]

Your videos always have great playlist, great scenery and an interesting story. Thanks for sharing.

[@rogerlee4068]

I only recently joined your channel, but it was nice for you to share and reminisce about your journey on this channel. Love your presentation for this channel, and happy to see your hard work pays off. Lovely family by the way😊.

[@CoolSilver]

Wild how time has passed. I found your channel long after MF was around but you were still doing nimber trips. I got curious and looked back at history and I was looking at Model 3 details at beginning of 2018. March 17, 2018 I noticed your channel with trip to California looking at Model 3. Few weeks later I put a reservation in for my first Tesla. Your road trips with MF and all the educational videos really sold me on getting an EV but mostly Tesla. Soon after you started testing other cars. I am glad to see the switch into full TeslaBjørn Test Mode. Sadly my first Tesla is gone, sold today at salvage auction for $5500. I can't say I feel horrible about it as not as much time had past or had as many challenges as MF. But I expect it's about the same. I hope someone rebuilds Midnight Glitch and continues on. Other than being partly disassembled and quarter panel damage he was in very good condition. I have some hope anyway. Edit note: It also had been at 0% and dead 12v for 2 months so good luck for not having more degradation. I measured about 10%. Being a salvage title won't allow supercharging anyway.

[@apkungen89]

I had almost forgotten about the niber tasks. I was a follower already back then, or a subscriber I think it was called then. I also got a big nostalgic when you were talking about that. When you talked about it, it came to me, how much you've ment to me over the years creating my big interest for electric vehicles in general and tesla in particular. I actually also used Nimber a couple of times. I still hope I get to meet you one day. Take care Björn 😊🐻.

[@moestrei]

Model s 85p 2013 with 380.000km 12.9% degradation. Never below 10% never above 90%, mostly 25-75 but 2/3 DC (mostly 50kW or SuC) 1/3 AC 22kW. Park the car with Zero% is a nono.

[@norseknowhow]

Well done Bjørn! I have learned a lot from you. Admire your passion for cars and your wonderful personally! ❤ good luck and looking forward to your next 10 year update 😄

[@chrisobber5604]

I'm a sub from April 2014. I was a student at University of Vienna back then. I often spent my nights watching your road-trips dreaming of a having an EV one day... those where the good old days I guess. :)

[@Watt_Ihr_Volt]

i always thought that they do not degrade much after 100.000km . but of course if it sits at low percentages that is not good.

[@AW66888]

I would rank the battery killer in the below ranking 1) Heat 2) Discharge to 0% and keeping at 0% 3) Keeping it charged at 100% for extended period of time 4) Time

[@BrandX53]

Bullet hole in the back - you are the OG Tesla youtuber!

[@karl7571]

Really nice story about your life that you shared. You seem to be such a down-to-earth and humble person

[@Tyriama]

I'm quite certain I passed the MF on saturday afternoon, was headed southbound E16 from Kongsvinger and there was a Marcusbil Tesla Model S on the road on the side with a recovery truck next to it... Looked extremely similar atleast!

[@bjornnyland]

That was me.

[@Tyriama]

Hope it wasn't too much hassle for you, bit awkward stretch of road to get stuck on :) Love the vids.@@bjornnyland

[@kylereese4822]

@@bjornnyland Here`s an interesting Tesla Model S with a 125kw battery.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5DGnZyppdxgp5I&pp=ygUMMTI1a3cgdGVzbGEg

[@bjornnyland]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/emO5lWSbrL-Fh80

[@dixikloos5352]

Björn, I really wanna see that Model Y with the Blade Battery. Any news about that? Thanks

[@bjornnyland]

Unfortunately not.

[@bartwaggoner2000]

Why - what is so compelling about blade?

[@mixchemicalify]

​@@bartwaggoner2000from what ive read, better thermal management, higher sustained charging speeds (170kw to higher Soc than the regular lfp).

[@baardriiber9659]

What did you do with the paint? The car looks really great. Like brand new.

[@moestrei]

My pearl white from the same year looks like new too. Occasional claybar and polish does the trick

[@Steror]

He had an extreme makeover, there is a video about it. Something like "reestoring Millenium Falcon"

[@patrickaalto]

Ah, a trip down memory lane! Your winter driving video convinced me to order my Model S in January of 2014. I got the car in May of 2014, and will trade it away tomorrow, as it happens! Been a great car, but I guess it is time to move on.

[@norga111]

Trading it for what car, if I may ask?

[@patrickaalto]

@@norga111 I'm trading it for a Kia EV6.

[@theophiluslamptey47]

Not a Kia 😢 no no no.

[@norga111]

@@patrickaalto any particular reason why a KIA? I’m not saying it’s a bad car, just interested why you chose that specifically. I’d chose a BMW i4, but I’d say I’m biased. 😁

[@patrickaalto]

@@norga111 I liked the looks of it, it had gotten some good reviews, and the 7 year warranty is a plus. I have owned two trouble-free Hyundais before my Tesla, so I'm familiar with the Korean cars. Also, the Kia dealer gave me a pretty good deal for my 9 year old Tesla, I got around 45% of the price for a new Model S for it. Interesting you should mention BMW i4, btw. I test drove a BMW i4 M50 when I was shopping for a replacement for my Tesla, but hated it so much I actually had to cut my planned test route short! Seriously, it was the worst car I have ever test driven. The seat was horrible, it was super cramped inside, you couldn't see out of it, and the interior was a dark black cave. Ugh! For some reason German cars have never appealed to me.

[@thecrow3461]

Surely letting it sit at 0% has caused this. On the bright side, even after 10 years and so many kilometers it still has plenty of useful battery capacity left which goes to show that even if you abuse the battery, EV batteries will still last the lifetime of the car.

[@petrkubena]

10 years is not a lifetime of a car ("Average lifespans of cars vary from 8.0 to 35.1 years, with a mean of 18.1 years in Western and 28.4 years in Eastern European countries"). I have serious doubt that it will work for another 10-20 years. It will not be a problem for the first buyer, but for the not-so-lucky people who can't afford new cars. At this point we need easily replaceble and repairable batteries (idealy with replacable modules or even cells). Unfortunately quite the opposite what Tesla is going for.

[@bartvandenpoel8568]

@@petrkubena The car has 370.000 km. Average distance per year for a normal user is 15.000 km. So that's already 25 "kilometer-years". I do agree with the replaceable/repairable batteries.

[@petrkubena]

@@bartvandenpoel8568 batteries dergade even without use. number of cycles is probably not the problem. longevity is.

[@georgewashington1621]

@@petrkubenabattery degradation rate drops off as degradation progresses, you will practically never lose over 30-40% of initial capacity, not even after 30 years.

[@adrianguggisberg3656]

@@petrkubena 28 years old cars in eastern Europe were built 1995. They didn't have infotainment with touch screens. Let alone touch screens that are vital for their operation. No processor controlled, electric power steering, no active dampers, etc. Only the cheapest of todays cars, EV or combustion, are simple enough to not become bottomless money pits long before most EV batteries will wear out. With EV technology, unlike combustion, it would be possible to make cars that could be remanufactured rather than recycled after, say, 20 years to last another 20 years, with all the latest gimmicks. However, before that happens, a lot needs to change in the way our society works and what we prioritise. Tesla, unfortunately, not only leads the way to sustainable energy and électrification but also to disposable cars.

[@Paddy_Mac]

I take some sticky rice and some tinned fish and somehow they taste good together. Good times heck, yeah! I'm the only one in my family eating this but I agree.

[@kodywillnauer9422]

The bass drum in the drive music around 5:00 syncs exactly with my model s turn signal. Well done.

[@stigronnysuleskard5299]

Trip down memory lane for sure 🤩

[@albinb.g.gulich9818]

Thanks Björn. But, what is your Degradation in the Last 10 Years? The First Video i saw from you, the wiper broke at MF. A Long Time man. Now we are old.

[@sargfowler9603]

That’s not bad considering the mileage (kilometerage?) and age.

[@IanFarquharson2]

Cool content. Not exactly unusable. Battery balance at the end any better ?

[@bjornnyland]

You probably mix up balance and calibration.

[@freddydad1]

Proper trip down memory lane, personally I think that tesla should recognise you in some way.

[@TheStopwatchGod]

For Real, they attribute some of their success to Bjorn and Millennium Falcon

[@moestrei]

He has at least 2 Roadsters in the pipeline from referals😂

[@TheStopwatchGod]

@@moestreiFrom what I remember with Optimus Prime and Millennium Falcon II (his Model S P100D he had briefly) he has to pay taxes for both cars even though he got them for free, and as we've seen in the house update video, he's quite stripped for cash at the moment.

[@Steror]

​@@TheStopwatchGodhe can take a loan and sell the car for profit, so it shouldn't be a problem

[@rainer30]

Good looking wheels on millennium falcon. What make are they?

[@TheStopwatchGod]

Man the zero mile test was crazy.

[@achtungpolizei7614]

Will you re-continue Geilo after final move to Jessheim?

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@christianlarsen6747]

The adventurous feeling was back with this video. For an old time folower, this was wery welcome. But you have to do, what you have to do.

[@danielsweb2]

This video has so many good vibes... what a journey!

[@snoozieboi]

I remember the pigeons! I also still want to apologize for knocking on your window in Trondheim ages ago when live streams were new, I didn't know that was a thing. I am " some random dude" featuring off camera, but it might be optimus prime, then.

[@adrienlevert6305]

Congrats for these last 10 years and good luck for new chapter of your life :-)

[@steevegauthier2759]

I do not fit anymore in my 10 years old cloths! Ha ha thank you Bjørn!

[@leiflillandt1488]

and I don't quite fit into 51 years old suite jacket... 😉

[@josephcullen2512]

Ah you and wifey look so young and cute together back then 😄💕 and it was not even very long ago so you still are of course

[@moestrei]

....hastily added the last bit😂

[@josephcullen2512]

@@moestrei hahahah 😄 well i didn't mean it to sound this way

[@MartinEkberg-c6i]

Hi Björn. Where do you buy the canned fish and which brand is it?

[@TillGroos]

Drive-By Shots! Good old days!

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

Excellent advice will always carry Noodles on future trips

[@guraumadalin2751]

The jacket remain the same, but everything else got older and better!!!! :)

[@martinweston8147]

That jacket must have done 400k KM’s

[@JimmyDorff]

I remember the Tom Tom and your math skills before any trip planner.

[@jerrycampion]

Thanks Bjorn Happy Days, you are the reason most of us choose a Tesla. 👍

[@0HOON0]

Even in Norway shops don't know to care for vehicles waiting in their lot.

[@georgepelton5645]

What a beautiful day for Sunday driving! 😀

[@Murv]

Not a battery expert, but could it be that with age / use, the resistance of the battery increases, limiting the charging speed ? I think 70kw and 400km after 10 years and almost 300.000km is absolutely more than reasonable.

[@georgewashington1621]

Yes, battery resistance does increase with degradation and that does limit the maximum charging speed.

[@derekl9702]

This was a fun trip down memory lane. Just for fun you could bring up some of your old videos with Nimber tasks and review them or talk about them in a newer video. It also might be fun to do some comparisons between then, and now, considering how much has changed in the last 10 years.

[@thomasairbuspilot]

Love the vintage jacket!

[@kemosabe168]

Amazing journey! Keep on rollin

[@Bersus]

you're really good at making these videos, you know...

[@briise]

maybe u can use the car as battery bank in the new house if y get solar panels, and is stil goes longer than frankenleaf anaway.

[@cavramau]

Tears in my eyes too.

[@benjaminhanke79]

24:53 I see the trunk is still open after the zero mile test. Seems to be a mechanical problem and not related to the battery status.

[@bjornnyland]

Korrekt

[@mikeymoolane6026]

Bjorn, maybe it is showing % of USABLE battery? That would make more sense perhaps. 🤨

[@helgedell]

Nice and sentimental. You said still free charging. Would be interesting to know approximately how much money is saved so far cos of free charging. Can't find a charge port on my Chevrolet Astro, so no idea about the charging costs true the years.

[@shockwave1xD]

Could it be that the strong degradation was due to low temps? Like that it further limits the capacity in these conditions.

[@oysteinnygardhint]

Love the music 🎉

[@mishulicius]

I can only see Norway roadtrip videos through the windshield of a red car 🙂

[@you2be839]

25:25 I really haven't been following MF videos but, since this is the P85 model, what does 75 in the "kWh new" column means, is it usable kWh? And 85 in "Gross" means full battery pack, right?

[@folkoyt]

Hallo Björn (German way to write it), may you can tell me, with App do you use to check the Batterie? Greating fron Hamburg area! Folko

[@ezquimal]

Why don't use a ecoflow ac and heather?

[@wrefk]

I have a 2017 bolt (ampera-e), with a 66kwh battery I'm worried about a 180 mile (290km) trip, likely couldn't do much more than that. It charges at max of 55kw in ideal conditions and quickly tapers. Additionally the infotainment is completely useless, literally just a screen for Android auto. Considering this 4 year older, first mass produced ev, from a brand new car company, is so much more advanced and more efficient, even though the Tesla has far more power and size, is just amazing. Even brand new evs struggle to come close to this 10 year old car. Legacy auto should be embarrassed.

[@Sidewinder1009oli]

might need more Amps to push the last few % into the battery, charge to 98% and go to a SC?

[@plamenkostov1301]

Not on topic, but do you have data as to how many kWh are "wasted" when charging at home (not DC) or % wise. Thank you

[@jasonblair4057]

Looks like a bit of a throwback Thursday. 👍👍

[@h8ter1927]

the MB EQS owners manual says the following: Every six months, when the outside tempera- ture is above 50 °F (10 °C), park the vehicle overnight with a condition of charge below 20%. I assume this is for battery calibration. Is this something that might be tried on MF?

[@MrVeeBlog]

Love listening to the backstory of this channel.

[@genderlessyoutubefanperson]

Again, great video. What kind of fish is this, mackerel?

[@roberts.wilson1848]

15% degradation on the early tech tesla?! That sounds like great news. I wonder what "the sun" will say when they steal this viceo?! Maybe "10 yo Tesla S unusable, replace the battery. EV bad"

[@TheStopwatchGod]

The Sun actually also stole the Kia Niro video as well, the one in which Bjorn brought only one EcoFlow battery, and Bjorn was able to unbrick the car with just the one battery, but the Sun said the EcoFlow was unable to unbrick the car and he was stranded, saying he (Bjorn) regretted not bringing the second EcoFlow battery

[@bjornnyland]

15 % is not bad but 12-13 % would have been a lot better.

[@roberts.wilson1848]

​@@bjornnyland Indeed, that would be better, but then again, the 2013 was the early tesla tech. And we compare to similar period other EVs, like the Leaf which has an abysmal battery degradation of 50% or more. 15% compared to 65% is amazing in my view, and also a great argument against the fake news that claim you must replace the battery of an EV at 10 years.

[@jpdj2715]

Software/firmware updates from Tesla in these past 2 years? The difference in capacity doesn't seem dramatic, IMO. Also, it's 7C temperature somewhere, says the car's display, and that's low.

[@linnsoltwedel]

Little baby Bjørn! :D

[@hemmper]

Good info. As I think Obama said, when they go low, we go high, but not too high, just stay between 20% and 80% when parked.

[@SamuraiTacos1]

very cool story on how the channel became and you met your wife i love it TeslaBjorn

[@PanzerIvan]

You might also on top of battery have also Electro motor issue as stator can weaken on these S85 as per EV Clinic experience.

[@Cat-qk2vz]

Heje Bjørn! I love Norge and your channel.❤ Hilsen fra Sverige, klem, Flavio

[@Torben1411]

I think the reduction to less than 4,2V at SoC 100% was introduced by the updates 2019.24.4 and later and is not caused by the battery degeneration.

[@temper44]

I wonder what driving a Cybertruck around Norway would be like.

[@LuciaGomez-yb3om]

MF video’s are the best!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@linnsoltwedel]

I miss it when the gas was 13!!! :D

[@skibulwa]

How to fast test real battery capacity when I want to buy used Model S with free superchargers?

[@panospapadimitriou3498]

ok lesson learned avoid be yolo like Bjorn

[@neuromancer777]

You should buy it back and put it in you living room to always remember what made all this possible. Te consupmtion and range on that amount of capacity is insane. there are not realy any car coming close. And this is 10 years old

[@sokolum]

Not bad 15% over 10 years

[@timoliver8940]

I’m a later arrival to the channel it appears - the first Teslabjorn video I watched was after I started looking in KZbin for EVs being used offroad…………. The video you made of you trying to drive a Model X (Optimus Prime?) through between some trees in a wood and it “fell” into a hole, got stuck and you damaged the front trim of the car quite badly extracting it again. I’ve enjoyed most of the videos and live streams I’ve watched since. I think you have succeeded in putting me off ever buying one of the Chinese brand of EV’s with their poor software and continuous bing bongs……….. I did buy my EV after watching your road test and after a 96 hour test drive of the Mini Electric, I don’t do road trips more than one a year and the furthest I’ve taken it has been a 90 miles round trip but I do have another car to use for those longer trips and for off road driving (something the Mini (and most other EVs are totally useless for!). The Mini started out with me as a fun, cheap to run shopping car but it didn’t take long for it to be my go to car for any shorter trips and now my LR Defender MHEV is very much my weekend toy and for drives longer than the 120 miles maximum range of the Mini. I have been seriously looking at the latest P460 Range Rover PHEV with a 36kWh battery to replace both cars and still be able to drive electric for most of my journeys and go offroad at weekends but they are hugely expensive. I did an offroad day with Jaguar in an I-Pace which was very impressive off tar but again it’s an expensive car after you spec it with the offroad bits from the factory that the test car had.

[@kingprone7846]

still not as bad as many model 3s.