2015 Acura TLX vs Volvo S60 T6 0-60 MPH Mashup Review: And the Fastest Mid Sized Sedan is?

[@heredij215]

Let me tell yall, as a TLX owner, the TLX is definitely fast and handles very well. This car is dope and worth it especially if u have the tech package. Everyone compliments me on it and the kids love it. Very comfortable, system is dope with the stock subwoofer

[@zureai]

I wish I could find a more affordable 2018 a spec...

[@CuDerRaGer]

makes it easier to get road head without the gear stick

[@Lemaj420]

Word lol

[@dennisboyd9816]

CuDerRaGer OOOHHHHHH

[@thatvolvoguy6565]

What happens when you max out gears tho

[@chrissalvador1777]

Why don't they use the t6 awd

[@hites05]

Because they're biased.

[@Narrowcros]

I actually like the buttons for gear selector, its diffrent and I admire them for doing something new

[@LlyleHunter]

Have a look at the Lincoln MKZ. It has push button transmission but it's on the center stack freeing up more room in the center console. So.. not so new after all.

[@LlyleHunter]

***** Also all of those early 1960's Chrysler products.

[@LlyleHunter]

***** You may be correct about the 1956 Chrysler but there were no automatic transmissions in 1913. The automatic transmission was invented by Oldsmobile with the 1949 model.

[@LlyleHunter]

***** Best GM cars if you drove high long distance and put allot of miles on. They had valve lifters that turned a quarter turn every cycle to clear the carbon off and often lasted up to 250,000 mile. Also there was that deep base growl.

[@markwilliams6378]

***** Actually I think Dodge's V8 make better sounds and growls

[@phatista]

This guy is like. In order to go into reverse you have to press reverse. To go forward you have to press drive. Hmmm, just like with every other car on the planet you have to select a gear. How is that a problem?

[@marcluffy5161]

TLX looks ok but in real life i saw a white one and it was stunning. So as usual the honda's dont video and photograph well. But in person its a beauty with presence.

[@mbd501]

It would have been a fairer test to have both cars AWD.

[@tvanb]

I'll take the S60...with AWD though

[@GeorgeKnighton]

I have a 2014 RLX Sport Hybrid with the same transmission selectors. After you have used it for an extended period, you realize why it was designed the way that it was: You don't have to look at it. After you've used R a few times, you'll never look at it again...you'll be looking at the upper screen to see the camera. The D is impossible to miss with one hand, and there's even Braille on the Sport Mode button so that you don't have to even look for that.

[@BDOC99714]

Actually Nathan, the TLX 4 cylinder comes with a regular shifter.

[@danielmelendez9943]

The 4 cylinder engine is weak, plus you want to get the V6 with SH-awd system.

[@AlexTheeGr8t]

Good to see someone review an Acura fairly. I've seen other reviews that clearly showed the reviewer went in with a "not gonna like it" approach which was evidenced by a sort of passive aggressive tone - it's alright but...or still referring to the front end as a beak (which to me was thankfully fixed some time ago). Acura has dragged they're balls in the past but hopefully now that they are their own decision making division separate from Honda (with their own leadership) things can turn around for them. Let's get a Type R or S model and an Integra style sports coupe ive been hearing internet whisper about.

[@aaronbehindbars]

Is the. Acura's push-button transmission really that bad? To me, it doesn't seem like it would be functionally inferior to a lever or rotary dial, but I also haven't had the benefit of sampling one. With a lever, you can simply lay your hand on it and selected your gear by feel. Does this button setup have enough tactile feel to allow eyes-free operation? Seems that in keeping with the traditional layout of P-R-N-D and making the reverse button one the finger hook and the drive button big and round, you would fairly quickly learn the feel and master its operation. I am offering a critique which I think is more of an observation about auto journalists in general. It seems that when you are driving so many different vehicles all the time and you may only have one for a few days, it would be hard to get settled in a vehicle thus making it more difficult to review them from the perspective of a long term owner. That is not to say that such oddities or idiosyncrasies aren't worth mentioning. I am often surprised at some of the nitpicks I see raised, so I started thinking that the more time you spend with a car, the less you might notice such things. Odd part for me in my vehicle buying experiences is that it's usually the less glaring things you don't see at first that end up being most annoying in the long-term.

[@chrisfear782]

I don't think the shifter is complicated, it's different from the rest and its quite simple

[@Drewsky8703]

The TLX is simply a great car. The transmission setup is great so I don’t share your opinions regarding it being too complex and not freeing up space. Compared to BMW and Lexus which have the traditional shift lever (auto) and they often get in the way, especially when putting anything into the cup holders. The Technology package also gives the TLX some great features that bring great value unlike some premium packages that cost twice as much yet gives you half the tech you paid for. Zero to 60 times range from 5.8 - 6.1 for the V6 SH AWD version...

[@KnowledgeSharingTech]

So why didn't you get the Volvo awd for this test?

[@thomastague9359]

Why not use the 6 cyl turbo Volvo?

[@brianmjmario]

Yes! My TLX is faster around the track!! Nathan might not like the transmission but I actually like it, it's very responsive and easy to use that's just my opinion some people might not like that... Nice review Nathan and can you please do a full review on the TLX thanks in advance!

[@powerofpinesol8002]

Love the new TLX..... So much better than the TL.

[@melvinmerlos8851]

Brian Vtec I wouldn't celebrate just yet, remember this was a AWD Honda vs FWD Volvo and the Honda won marginally, not to mention the driver screwed up on a turn. If it were an equal match AWD to AWD the Honda may have lost.

[@YoungSperm]

Melvin Merlos can't forgot the Volvo has a supercharger and a turbocharger whatever that means lol

[@CleaningMyGun]

Nice review Nate!

[@chrisl5664]

I guess people always gotta find a negative way of viewing something. That is the best thing to have push button transmission

[@UHDking]

My Acura TLX V6 SH-AWD did 6.9 seconds 0-60 and on full automatic my car did 7.2 seconds in Colorado at the Mountains. Those guys clearly does not do a good reviews. I did in C7 3.9 seconds in Colorado and they did 5.2 seconds. Just search Acura TLX v6 0-60 and you will see my video. I live in Colorado and all my tests were done within the mountains.

[@dmegahan]

So why compare the awd Acura to the fwd volvo. Wouldnt it be a better comparo if they both were awd. Plus, Nathan said that he prob lost a second on that lap time on the volvo because of a bad line he took. That would then make the volvo, even with fwd, faster.

[@olekiller11]

Good point. I own an awd s60 and I'm so upset they used a fwd and saying shawd saved the Acura. It didn't even win smh

[@glsracer]

Should have run the track with the S60 in transmission sport and DSTC off... If DSTC is on the car will understeer more and traction control will be quite invasive. Still this is a mash up not a match up so I won't criticize not comparing a S60 T6 AWD or even a T5 AWD against the Acura. I'm still waiting for an opening in my schedule (& now maybe the weather) to drive my XC60 T6 AWD Sport around this track. It will be interesting to compare its performance to the data you've gathered so far...

[@pranavmukesh]

I dont think, just because of the the transmission button, its not worth buying because the truth is its an awesome car and the buyers will get used to the small drawback!

[@BostonAutoBlog]

I got to drive the 2015 Volvo S60 T5 AWD for a couple of hours a few months back, it's a beautiful car. Prior to driving the S60 I didn't understand the price tag, but it's definitely worth the cost, especially if you go with the T6. I wasn't a fan of Volvo, but the S60 completely changed my perception about the brand itself. Would love to get behind the wheel of an R-Design or Polestar and really see the power these cars possess.

[@watchlover]

Acura tlx any day

[@hyperlogos]

My 1960 Dodge Dart had push-button automatic. It's not rocket surgery

[@GeoffSweet]

You are incorrect on the gas issue. YOU DON'T NEED PREMIUM 91 OR 92 OCTANE. The car was engineered to use 87. It says it right on the filler door.

[@darksideofmind91]

There are lots of cars I like more than this, btw I like the Volvo most. No reason for that, I think it's more beautiful and driving-balanced :p

[@120ail1]

I disagree - the transmission controls don't seem that complicated. Push P for Park, D for Drive and pull R back for Reverse. When you own a car, this all becomes second nature, and all the luxury cars have some fancy transmission control. Mercedes has their steering wheel stalk, and BMW has a joystick like thing that controls the transmission. I think the more egregious complaint about the transmission is that it sometimes can't find the right gear, and that the shifts aren't as crisp as they should be.

[@yippie6862]

Faster? Super AWD saved it? Come on. A registered few tenths of a second done on an iPhone by Andre…..? Nothing more to say.

[@NathanDAdlen]

Okay

[@jaredschley5719]

I'm really getting tired of hearing about the push button gear selection. I have had it for the last 3 years and never had an issue with it. It seems to me that people don't like it because it's different. Every time you talk about a Honda or Acura with that you completely bash it because you don't like change. It really is one of the easiest systems I have used and at least somebody finally wants to be different. I really believe if this was in a Mercedes or Audi you would probably think it was great.

[@TheCobruhAlienat0r]

I agree with the transmission Nathan, that just seems like a disaster waiting to happen. If someone were to spill a drink, especially a soda, then it'd probably cost a lot to get it taken apart and cleaned out or even replaced if the liquid fried the circuit board underneath.

[@AkioWasRight]

Aren't many of these cars today using electronic shifters? It might have a shift lever, but it's just electronics underneath. All Acura/Honda's doing is just changing the way you shift by going from a lever to push buttons.

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

Oh, come on guys, I know you're from the USA and all that, but, surely, even you lot can operate a pushbutton !!!!

[@disbsam333]

If Honda didn't think of that already I would be very surprised. This system is probably waterproof.

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

disbsam333 Don't talk sense to them, Sam, they'll only get confused !!!! ;-)))

[@TheCobruhAlienat0r]

disbsam333 While that is probably true, then I'd still imagine the buttons would stick once the soda dries up. So thats when you'd need to get it taken apart to clean it out.

[@michelm4608]

Best luxury car for the money!! Great job Acura!

[@gabriellopezpr]

Why you didn't turn off the traction control on the Volvo as you did with the Acura? There is way to turn it off on the vehicle settings on the screen. Anyway FWD vs AWD not a fair comparison plus to make comparison worst traction control off vs on.

[@siljoe84]

wow acura . dont need turbo or supercharge like other brand. for the haters

[@thingsdemystified]

+Joel Silverio Turbochargers can increase fuel economy.

[@siljoe84]

+ThingsDemystified turbo yes on fuel economy but supercharger is not fuel saver. it takes power to create power.

[@thingsdemystified]

Joel Silverio Actually, any form of forced induction including supercharging can increase fuel economy. Forced induction increases the volumetric efficiency of an engine. This post explains it pretty well. ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/supercharging-economy-14590.html#post194735 Also, turbochargers present backpressure to an engine, so they're still taking engine power to run them. tomak3.tripod.com/page10.html I believe that due to tighter environmental regulations, more and more higher performance cars will move to forced induction (as BMW and Mercedes have already). I miss that NA V10 of the E60 M5.

[@redcuffs3274]

Nathan, will you be reviewing the 4 banger tlx with the 8 speed DCT in the near future?

[@YYCKeeper]

Up here in Canada I own the 2015.5 Volvo S60 T6 and my version has the 3.0L inline six turbo which goes 0-60mph in a much faster time then what manufacturers spec says it does.

[@karsonyvonne8945]

If I owned the TLX I would be rather worried mostly over the transmission buttons. Like what if they suddenly stop working? how can those 'buttons' Be reliable? Especially over time

[@tonyzheng3081]

Just test driven the TLX SH-AWD, such a quiet, comfortable and refined daily-driver car. Apprently they are NOT built for track or racing, I noticed a huge difference on its throttle/brake response compare to my 3G TL. This car is built for those who really want a comfortable ride with enough power(Uhh unless you are aiming 300+++hp), a good looking with a bit of luxury ambiance and well build quality, a bargain that could save $$$$ than its German competitors (Oh, and Lexus), plus a little bit sportiness when you push it hard.

[@qmax-en5ry]

I have a Acura ILX 2016 technology package excellent car good handling on raining conditions overall excellent, the only minus will be road noise

[@iishyxvietxboyii1]

Comparing an AWD to a FWD....

[@YoungSperm]

iishyxvietxboyii1 comparing a regular V6 vs a superchargered and turbochargered one.......

[@hazmatcinemaxxx]

supercharged and turbocharged v4 m8

[@JSM00n]

@@hazmatcinemaxxx v4? 😂😂

[@mariomaster0248]

Yep it's complicated to push buttons alright. -.-

[@senorgato70]

It would be good to do 0-60 comparisons in all drive modes for these cars. You definitely made it clear the Volvo was in its sportiest mode, but did not specify if the Acura was on Sport+ or not. But, again, it would be a good comparison of performance in the different modes. And, even a track run in all driving modes (after the Acura's brakes cool down of course..haha) I test drove the FWD V-6 TLX and did not find the transmission functions distracting at all. After just one run, I felt comfortable with the set-up's functionality. The C-Class has an electronic stalk on the column. BMW has its gear-knob-but-not-really-a-gear-knob electronic function.

[@Dhasch18240]

You took the track Acura and raced a pedestrian Volvo. Try using the R spec awd Volvo. It would ruin that shit Honda

[@nazarethpreciado9950]

This is not the Track Acura TLX.. there is no such thing.. that would be called the Acura TLX type S but there is no such thing.. that is why they used it against this volvo.. similar price range as well

[@jmasoncars4452]

Finally a review that you guys dont rip Acura a new one.

[@rvtBC]

I'd like to see a review of the 4-cylinder TLX, which many ppl will likely gravitate towards. Other reviews say it's more agile and fun to drive than the heavier V6; be interesting to see how it does in the small and twisty track. Wish Acura bumped up the 4's hp and torque output though.

[@MasterCarguy44-pk2dq]

Well, at 5280 ft above sealevel, that Altitude has the affect of losing 45 hp. So, if your in the sealevel coastal areas or under 600 ft above sealevel in land, and outside temps are under 65* with a low Density Altitude with barometer of over 30.00, you can drop 3/4, (.07) of a sec off these acceleration times.... The Acura is closer to 7 sec and the Volvo closer to 6.2.... at sealevel in good conditions.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Turbocharged cars do not lose any power at these altitudes. They take longer to build boost, but do not lose power. This is why piston aircraft began using them eons ago, as they were formerly known worldwide as "atmospheric compensators". Only normally aspirated vehicles become total dogs at altitude.

[@saddist1Gtown]

Very onesided opinionated review the tester seemed predetermined that the Acura is better , he raved about the styling? and interior while omitted to mention the Volvo's attributes. Says a lot about the average American motorist that he is a fully paid up member of the easy to please group who believes in the myth that Japanese cars are so good? In my opinion the Volvo is a far superior car to the Acura, it has a bit more class.

[@Sawashi32]

saddist1Gtown Typical Euro response when no one likes their precious car as much as they do. How one automotive journalists opinion between two cars says a lot about the average American is a mystery that will never be solved. Maybe you stopped watching the video before it ended but he clearly stated he would buy the Volvo and Lease the Acura. Sorry on behalf of all Americans he did not find the Volvo to be the worlds most perfect car ever built.

[@goatmonkey2112]

They have already done a full review of the Volvo.

[@saddist1Gtown]

Sawashi32- The Volvo is more modern than the tarted up Honda.. oops sorry Acura, the Japanese are always giving you dopey Americans old cars in new clothing long after they are released in Japan- Travel and get enlightened you dipstick! All Hondas and Toyotas in the US are at least 2-3 years behind what they offer in Japan- Some model does not even come here. This not the case with Volvo or the European cars...

[@Sawashi32]

saddist1Gtown I'm refusing to stoop down to your childish level at this moment in time. It amazes me that it actually took you an entire month to come up with that garbage you just wrote. I guess only in your pathetic little world does a person resort to name calling simply because another person does not prefer the same type of cars that you do. And what does vehicle preference have to do with an individuals nationality anyway? Carefully read over some of the bullshit you've been typing lately and ask yourself, who's the real dope? Who's the real dipstick here? Intelligent, well traveled adults will already have the answer for you. Greetings and happy Holiday's to you and yours from America! ;-)))

[@saddist1Gtown]

I suppose you are just too simple to understand a logical post. I wish not for you nor any other to like what I like. I made a comment on the report and found it to be flawed and biased. Simpletons like you are quick to believe the trick "made in America " fact is Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc are all Japanese. Volvo is European which is now also owned by the Chinese, but look around America and see whom you ought t be loyal to.. Ass holes like you should take the bus.. I don't need to wish you happy holidays, I would be lying!

[@laweezemorton8884]

I am confused, you admittedly state that both cars are not track cars, but then test them as such...

[@jacobpalmer127]

Laweeze Morton Rewatch the video in a few years once you're done with elementary school. Maybe then you'll get it.

[@petername9344]

I realize that when they test cars especially for a comparison, they can't always get two or more cars with the exact same options and features, that being said - for this test, they really needed to put the AWD V6 Acura with an AWD I-6 Volvo to be fair. While both the 6 cylinders versions have torque vectoring AWD (Acura calls their "Super Handling)... the Volvo S60 R-Design has 325hp & 354 ft-lb torque while the Acura TLX V6 has 290hp & 267 ft-lb torque. Since both cars are within a few hundred pounds of each other and the Volvo has 35 more horses and nearly 90 more ft-lb of torque, the Volvo R-Deisgn would simply eat the Acura for lunch on the track as well as the road.

[@3333glen]

I noticed that the test was one mile above sea level. That gives the Volvo a big advantage in acceleration, since the turbo-superchargers compensate for thinner air. Good to keep in mind for those who live up high.

[@oldtwins]

3333glen true, in high country one should look for turbocharged car. after all, that's the whole reason they invented them for airplanes way back in the day.

[@RomaneMaticaliseGordon]

2:03 almost sounds like a 911

[@TWHISPERER]

This Acura TLX may be slightly faster then the FWD Acura TL with 285 hp but this model is not faster then the TL SH-AWD, with 306 hp. The SH AWD TL went 0-60 in about 5.5 seconds while this TLX goes 0-60 in about 5.9 seconds.

[@eliaqum1234]

Acura is acura its the love of my life balance elegant power maitnance quality and shape all u need in one car. Ive been trying lexus is 300 and infiniti q50 mercedes c300 bmw 3 series and honest its garbage in front of yhe acura

[@gtamoniezvidz9938]

I got one a few weeks ago. I love everything about the TLX but however the only thing I don't like is the fact that I can't leave my lights off at night. They always stay on day and night. Is there any way to turn them off? Please someone answer.

[@Lemaj420]

Put the car in park with parking brake up or on, and switch the light off, and it will turn off. As soon as you shift out of park, the day time runners come on if day and the headlamps if night.

[@iishyxvietxboyii1]

And that's Honda's Super Handling All Wheel Drive!

[@wigglepickle]

Literally the worst place to put push button transmission. Right next to the cup holders? What happens when your drinks spill? How much money will it cost to fix the transmission on a brand new car because your drink got all in those buttons. Lincoln had the positioning for this well planned.

[@chief8178]

I know this is an old video but do you guys know anything about the lawsuit against Honda on the tlx transmission? I was looking into a 2015 tlx but I keep reading they have bad transmissions I can't seem to find anything on the outcome.

[@ldawson103]

I don't get what the issue is with the transmission buttons.

[@thingsdemystified]

It seems like deleting the shifter is a mistake. I can see an increase in accidents caused by people looking down to find the buttons.

[@thingsdemystified]

***** I know right? This is exactly like how every other manufacturer is doing the same thing.

[@gianflavio_]

+777PharmD777 hahaha this made me laugh

[@thingsdemystified]

***** Maybe on your car, the only other option is park.

[@joelbruck66]

People said the same thing about push button start but we all know how that turned out

[@Rama_248]

You think a 2016 Acura tlx with 111,000 miles on it for $14,000 is worth buying?

[@VWhiteJr]

How come y'all didn't show the interior of the Volvo?

[@Son37Lumiere]

Hope Acura makes a Type-S version of this with the RLX's hybrid system or turbo charged and the concept design. That would be a definite contender for me, as it is it's just OK.

[@IsmaelMartinezPR]

TLX or 328i, Which is the best buy

[@raph0412]

+oldtwins completely disagree. Look at motortrend review for TLX AWD. It is slow at 5.9 and low 14s quarter mile. If this car is 100 or so pounds lighter than TL how is it this slow?

[@oldtwins]

Actually in this case, any car that can't do 0-60 in UNDER 5 seconds is slow & beyond statistical measurement errors. Compile me a list of new 4 door sedan's that can achieve this under 45k.

[@raph0412]

+mrkeyboardcommando thanks! TLX does look nice but like many said the concept versions if their cars look awesome then production models come out conservative. It's also amazing that the wood trim in middle is the standard look. No silver or aluminum in any exterior interior color combination. The gas mileage is noticeably better. Wish the performance was noticeably better also. As an enthusiast, I will probably look elsewhere. As for everyone else, loyal Acura fans will be purchasing for sure.

[@thatvolvoguy6565]

Turn on dstc.....and why didnt you get the t6 awd......

[@Riley8425]

I have an 03 Acura cl type s 6 speed, like you said it is fun with a manual transmission :)

[@damnbigus]

I like the new transmission selector. Looks like the new NSX will have something like this too. I think this is more of a positive for the car. I would rather have this than the rotary knob.

[@southkiddJ]

Acura tried to take a page out of Chrysler's book but failed to take the whole page. The Rotary E-Shift is much better & leaves more room like intended

[@waseemsells5378]

I don't see why people think that the gear selector is a draw back.

[@dreadnoughtprime6301]

I'm just waiting for the obsessive Keyboardcommando to start trolling.

[@bdumitru07]

why your testing this cars like that? nobody will drive them on freeways so crazy

[@TimN-5]

Why not talk about the Volvo's interior/exterior? Why not drive these cars on roads that they were designed for when you even admitted that they aren't made for the track? Both these companies have track cars

[@ThatBoostedJCW]

Who was faster in the drag race??

[@cristianmarin404]

How is the transmission on it? Good, bad and why? #AcuraTLX

[@patrickedwards6191]

Lincoln has been doing button transmissions for years tho...

[@Slimecrazy234]

I dont understand what the point of 0-60 mashups is, especially since you're at high altitude making the results irrelevant for most viewers. Instead just compare and review the cars.

[@J3TTXZ]

ill keep my 09 tsx :)

[@ryleycarlsen5774]

Once you referred to the headlights on the TLX as "spider eyes", I didnt care much for the car at that point.......

[@FinneousPJ1]

The fastest sedan is unlikely to be either of these.

[@neilyakuza6595]

Push buttons for transmission?

[@Thelastdan]

typical old man complaining about tech transmission controls..soon shift levers will be gone

[@jcoletti3881]

You compared a FWD car to an awd car

[@freestyleskyline]

AWD vs base model fwd... Could have at least got the AWD S60, wth

[@anihl8r]

I find it baffling how the TLX is confusing with the transmission. Are you freaking blind or just too stupid? I don't see how it's too complicated, otherwise people would complain about a different electronic shifter knob or lever. Is he complaining just because it's something new? I don't think he should be allowed to complain unless he can suggest something better or suitable. It really felt like he was at a stretch to complain and find the Volvo favorable on SOMETHING.

[@KINGMARS]

my thought exactly

[@anglsevyn]

The TLX would have been considerably quicker on the track if it didn't have the world's worst tires on it. Acura seems to always put the worst tires on their cars, first the Michelin Pilot HX MXM4, then these Goodyears Eagle LS2. Get it together Acura.

[@efthimios]

How wouldn’t the Acura be faster by more with awd is beyond me

[@raph0412]

+fadic4. You asked for comparable cars in same class, moron? Who cares turbo or non turbo? Cars in same class or weight or power are more impressive. The hype for this car to outshine TL That circulated is hardly noticeable. Lower weight and trans and size of vehicle for performance that doesn't feel extremely noticeable. An rsx type s is as quick as cars that have way more torque but will never feel faster when driving behind the wheel. TLX may feel improved w trans and slight performance but in reality is centimeters better. Get it Einstein?

[@gianflavio_]

I actually like the gear selectors, didn't know the acura had this. Pretty cool. I imagine someone that doesn't know about it going in the car and saying where the fuck is the stick?

[@danielmelendez9943]

This comparison seems unequal. Acura has SHAWD but Volvo doesn’t. While Volvo is turbocharged and the dynamics of the car are very different than Acura.

[@INUMIMI28]

RLX Sport Hybrid review please please please!!

[@danielle45095]

that transmission is pretty sweet i don't know what are u talking about

[@kei0kusanagi]

Electronic gear selector, its ok. I prefer a stick

[@jacobpalmer127]

"You have. To push. The buttons..." LOL

[@ChristopherOSU]

Just Imagine if they added a turbo and manual transmission to the TLX?

[@freeridecarver]

2.4l has true dct 8 speed paddle shift manual

[@201088585]

Thank you much better!!! respect!!

[@DancinRandy54]

tlx sounds pretty good

[@mackcummy4976]

*sigh*. I will miss a manual option on cars.