2015 Italy - F1 drivers react to idea of racing with closed cockpits

[@ronalbambinho]

Massa knew on first hand what he was talking about

[@JumpFree-Music]

Yeah didn’t he get hit by a bolt or something during his time with Ferrari?

[@briannam1082]

@@JumpFree-Music it was a spring.

[@MatteoPrezioso]

So true.

[@budiman1990]

And now we see that it saved many drivers

[@Spyker8921]

Nah

[@spudbencer7179]

Now we see thar people SAY that it did. Wouldnt it have been suprising that in the last decade nothing happend except for bianchi and now all of a sudden eversince the halo was implemented it saved many lives?

[@spudbencer7179]

@@harryfluellen No, he wouldn't. A halo breaks like a stick under the weight of the thing he drove into (a fucking crane). The halo wouldve actually made it even worse, probably. Because the halo is not as well formed as a helmet.

[@spudbencer7179]

@@harryfluellen If it can take 12 tonnes, then for short impact, not for any considerable time period. Considering that bianchi drove into the crane with what? 200kph? You can do the math yourself. In a rather optimistic calculation that would make 10 Million kN at impact. That is 80.000 times more than any halo can take. It would have broken and most lilkely penetrated both his helmet and his skull. Due to that last logical assumption, based on the math, the halo would have made sure he doesn't even survive until reaching the hospital. unlike without the halo. Due to the fact that huma body can deform rather well. We are flexible.

[@spudbencer7179]

@@harryfluellen no. Grosjean didn't run into a crane. He ran into a barrier made for impacts like these. Maybe not as fast as his impact was, but generally it was built for impacts. It bends accordingly and the force on the halo was not even close to what bianchis crash produced. Idk bro. I took this www.gigacalculator.com/calculators/impact-force-calculator.php And I took the 1000kg of the car. And assumed the crane moved like 30cm on impact. And duration I forgot what I chose. Nonetheless even if I am completely wrong it is obvious that the halo would have broken like a stick. It would have done nothing but cost space for bianchis body to bend according to impact, or potentially penetrate is helmet and body.

[@LeMassiveNoob]

And now the Halo and Halo-esqe devices have saved the likes of Leclerc, Grosjean, Peroni, Fukuzumi and Daly.

[@liisisat]

and today hamilton❣

[@hypecacw]

And Hamilton

[@CamperPro2012]

It hit Daly's front wing, not his aeroshield

[@nicksojka7457]

Remind me, what happened with Leclerc?

[@ArmenianPower09]

Saved Zhou's life.

[@dickyCentauri1921]

It's really funny to see these halo haters because it literally just save Leclerc, Grosjean, and hamiltons's life Omg mom look i made a warzone!!

[@tescopiwo]

When for leclerc

[@dickyCentauri1921]

@@tescopiwo belgium gp 2018, alonso was flying and the tyre hit leclerc's halo

[@spudbencer7179]

When you say so. It didnt cost anyone elses lives to have none in the last decade. Look at the bianchi. No halo in the whole world could have protected him.

[@cameronmckeague1244]

Massa and Vettel aren't really "Halo-haters", they only said they don't like closed-cockpits. A halo is not a closed-cockpit, that's why it's a great solution. So these guys aren't really "Halo-Haters".

[@Blueturtle1]

@@spudbencer7179 is that the intention of the halo? No did bianchi get hit in the head? No So this doesn’t make any sense

[@matej9497]

Some drivers hate that idea in start but from day to day we see that halo save lives

[@RBG9000]

Im just here in awe of the fact that Sebs aged so much

[@ppmanguin]

The technology is already there to improve safety without reducing speed and competition. Why the hesitation in taking the steps to reduce fatal injuries if it costs next to nothing in the long run?! Change, F1 needs change!

[@rayologyxm]

ppmanguin ever since they killed the V10 they've been becoming more like NASCAR no more Innovation to F1 these days Mercedes has been the only one making F1 still relevant

[@spudbencer7179]

Simple: No risk no fun. Some people like the danger. It is part of the sport and part of their personality.

[@Notsam12345]

This was a good take

[@Wander_with_us]

This aged like fine wine

[@Blind_Hawk]

BeCauSe ThE CArS dOn't lOoK tHe SamE as BefoRe!

[@nleighton7110]

If it saves head injuries I am all for it.

[@xboxgamer9680]

It wont

[@jimothyus]

+xboxgamer when did you get to test it?

[@fidan2fast]

do you really need to test it to know that all the small pieces in a car can go trough the halo, and even worse, jam directly into the driver? the FIA hasn't still properly tested it, and they haven't come up with more solutions considering all the possible outcomes in a crash, but yet, they have the nerve to force the idea as mandatory for 2018 and they have just a few more months to test it and find a way to integrate it... and the teams have no idea how to design their cars because of that

[@matthewwaters8772]

Nah mate it saves foot accidents

[@theplanespotterguy]

fidan2fast well fast forward two years and yeah it has saved some lives and many injuries

[@burritosvsnachos]

Massa almost died due to a piece that disconnected from the car in front, I think this is important

[@louisgreenleaf235]

Even with the halo he could have still been hit

[@jimothyus]

+Louis Greenleaf sure he could have. he could have also died from a heart attack. anything can happen the point is to minimize the risk

[@primarchvakarian589]

If drivers want to minimize risk they should get a desk job. Or even better; work from home.

[@theplanespotterguy]

Louis Greenleaf sure but the chances are smaller duh

[@gustavomagro9934]

@@primarchvakarian589 Yeah, like grosjean would have been dead without the Halo, so your opinion is trash

[@nyashachimedza2973]

************ Grosjean Crash got me here ************

[@lonewolf2513]

And here we are nearly 10 years later and it's the greatest invention in open wheel

[@nicksojka7457]

In terms of driver safety, it's unparalleled. And we have the evidence and testimonies to prove it.

[@gtgodbear6320]

As long as it doesn't trap someone in a burning car, it shouldn't be to much of a nuisance.

[@rimco617]

This aged well...

[@willjackson6522]

Interesting that you would think to point out something like that, when it ended up being pretty relevant

[@amgm1996]

It ended being a life saver when grosjean get put pf the car by holding the halo to get up

[@nicksojka7457]

Talk about aging like wine. It even helped save someone from said burning car

[@unknownknown360]

I am here after Grosjean's crash | | | ▼

[@DaveMcIroy]

Who cares?

[@unknownknown360]

@@DaveMcIroy u care cause you replied. bye

[@DaveMcIroy]

@@unknownknown360, doesn't makes sense.

[@mlvendetta2492]

@@DaveMcIroy if you didn’t care , you would’ve scrolled past

[@DaveMcIroy]

@@mlvendetta2492, maybe not everyone is ignorant...

[@jyhan1q94]

Cockpit protection have a lot of pros and cons. Many fans and even drivers are against it obviously. But trying to discuss about it is way better than just ignore previous case of fatal crash and moving on like it didn't happend. What you gonna do then? Just force drivers, marshals and spectators to sign a waiver for their responsibility of accident, and call it as "safety improvement"?

[@diegomurua4798]

going to be honest, the halo doesn't look ugly to me

[@realityandnaturepill]

closed cockpits = higher speed? I want to know more about it but I'd say that it could improve the way air doesn't 'get stuck' in the space the driver positions himself, airflow could be better and aerodynamics could possibly improve as well. How about a safer, faster car? One more thing: Nobody wants V6, bring back V8 or even V10.

[@rayologyxm]

Everybody wants to bring back the V10

[@alyssanheacabrera2038]

who's here after silverstone?

[@rayologyxm]

Closed cockpit=less drag & more safety

[@bn880]

But people want to see Balls and deaths. :D

[@memesenpai4556]

how about we bring back the 8 cylinder

[@Kasmuller]

How about bring 20 cylinder triple-double turbocharged engines? (Honestly thats not enough but it would help a bit)

[@dickyCentauri1921]

How about no turbo

[@memesenpai4556]

@@dickyCentauri1921 that'll work

[@Nihilistically]

When FE surpasses F1 for speed/weight will you still share the same opinion?

[@memesenpai4556]

@@Nihilistically yes I will the sound of that V8 was amazing

[@ibnuhasm1253]

Is that halo have glass between the bar? If it not, What if the object is small enaugh to fly through it from forward or above it?

[@johnb8956]

An object that small is rare, and also far less dangerous

[@Sam-e7000]

FIA 2019: "Drivers are banned from the cockpit and cars will be remote controlled!" edit: This comment is bullshit, I got older and learned! Halos are great. Excuse my shit and shut up

[@TheScaleModeller]

Still to dangerous for the fans in the stands... Virtual Reality is where it's at

[@josephbastianelli6217]

Matthew James bit wha t if the force feedback breaks their finger?

[@philipphouston3556]

Hmm

[@gustavomagro9934]

Yeah, imagine if FIA have taken your opinion in consideration, Grosjean would have been dead

[@oliversoto7046]

Never too late to delete your comment

[@zilentzap]

many saved in F1 and open wheel categories best invention since Hans

[@SkampyMAN]

I'm just here to say... thank you halo.

[@BradenBest1]

Well, it happened

[@kateshi4280]

And here we are, after Silverstone

[@r.a.2145]

Damn so much hate and saltyness 3 years ago when the halo were introduced. Now, everyone agrees its a great decision by the fia and are grateful. ignorant 3 year old comments, lmao.

[@BradleyG01]

sadly not everyone agrees still

[@JuliAltx]

Its no shame to change opinion about a topic. That's what discussions and testphases are for. I was against them at point of introduction, now I support them. Would only be bad if I was still against it.

[@nicksojka7457]

@@JuliAltx Agreed. The power of time (specifically hindsight, in this case) is unparalleled in its effectiveness with changing opinions

[@sinottoboi2743]

Little they did know…

[@evanjonez914]

I’d say go to Indy car cockpit style. Glass cover in front of halo before they close it all together

[@dalalei8020]

No

[@evanjonez914]

@@dalalei8020 yes

[@whisthegreat]

@@evanjonez914 it looks worse

[@MinhLe-kt5zg]

Ahem how some of these guys are eating their words now

[@huxhenderson3320]

How about much slower speeds, say 40 kph? It will work perfectly in conjunction with the sound! If we work together we can make the sport safer than walking up to the shop and back!

[@mmtot]

Well traditionally its always been a fast paced car, but fuck tradition, they should just hold the f1 championship on ps4 or xbox so no one gets a booboo.

[@goldennugget223]

There will always be risk in racing, if you can't deal with it, go in a knitting competition

[@sizzlin147]

Nate Ksr look out theres needles

[@oliversoto7046]

I hope you guys feel ashamed after recent events

[@youtubeguckerghg4987]

Oh boy jokes aged well

[@adamhearne4832]

Can’t believe the halo wasn’t brought in earlier many F1 deaths were from example Senna and bianchi and also Massa could’ve died in 2009 Hungary

[@fiddle_n]

Bianchi wouldn't have been saved from the Halo, the FIA said so themselves. As for Massa it's positive to have the Halo but the problem with small objects is that it could still go through the gap of the Halo. However it's better to have it there nevertheless - it's an improvement over no Halo.

[@spudbencer7179]

"Many" counts all 3 of last 3 decades lol

[@thebaguettecompany]

Leclerc....

[@stepladder3257]

I think Senna needed the hans device

[@akilanelango8997]

@@stepladder3257 Senna needed the Hans device and the collapsible steering column with a quick release wheel

[@Kasmuller]

"In wake of justin wilsons passing" What about bianci?

[@mlvendetta2492]

It wouldn’t have saved bianci 🤦‍♂️

[@Kasmuller]

@@mlvendetta2492 you sure? I think it would have at least helped deflect the tractor, as without the halo his head took the main hit

[@thebaguettecompany]

@@mlvendetta2492 it would have increaseed his chances of survival.... Rip JB17

[@mlvendetta2492]

@@thebaguettecompany he would’ve died either way

[@thebaguettecompany]

@@mlvendetta2492 maybe....

[@nickc8656]

wtf the item has to be pretty fucking big to not go through it

[@adrianjunor8661]

But tbh the halo will look bad on those pre 2017 era cars

[@nleighton7110]

Don't like Mercedes-Benz halo design, Ferrari full canopy looks ok & Redbull's fairing/windscreen looks ok too.

[@Mattxint]

I think thier heads would bobble a lot

[@adamantiumpimmel7857]

they could race in bobby cars also

[@TamDNB]

What an awful idea, especially that halo one, will never catch on

[@rennji460]

Jesus, just put a bullet proof jet cockpit, is that hard enough?

[@bn880]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bni2noGrlrN6f5o

[@matthewturner8950]

Don't say the Lord's name in vein

[@titokurkinen4767]

Its sad watching this at the end of the 2017 season

[@pellman87]

It's sad watching this comment in the end of 2019

[@EllaGP22]

It’s sad watching this comment in 2021

[@thevinceberry]

How about a bigger stronger helmet ?

[@xRaPToRv]

+thevinceberry Exactly

[@HFLHFLHFL]

+xRaPToRv the helmets never break, its the impact of objects on the driver's head

[@Phos9]

G forces place a limit on how heavy the helmet can be reasonably made.

[@bruce5868]

A helmet can protect the skull, not the brain. You can't tie the brain to the skull to stop it from moving.

[@thebaguettecompany]

Brain and neck.....

[@harolddeleonramos9451]

the problem with jules accident was not the open cockpit , it was thanks to the lower nose fia regulation

[@jamelpiclit3062]

@AlphA RitviK Jules' crash is very similar to Grosjean's. A halo would have greatly improved his chance of survival.

[@thebaguettecompany]

r/facepalm

[@sebo8872]

Please go Eau Rouge flat out in any F1 car to comment.

[@3jeno14]

Damn these comments are hilarous

[@harolddeleonramos9451]

they should stick with a higher nose as 2013

[@theplanespotterguy]

Harold De Leon Ramos ugly as fuck

[@thebaguettecompany]

Exactly...

[@DineshKumar1512dk]

Lol I am getting this in recommendation

[@maartenvandenhaak7448]

I agree with massa

[@ajtct98]

Closed Cockpit = Nikki Lauda dead Thoughts?

[@LemmingRush_]

Alex Clark-Thompson It probably would've kept the flames off him for s bit longer actually.

[@ajtct98]

LemmingRush Maybe but he probably would have ended up trapped in it. Think how long it took to get him out as it was.

[@Fly-ip8vq]

but if it was this day he wouldnt have been knocked out anyway because the cars are 10x safer these days

[@4th19th2]

Reading this today. And, feels so wrong

[@youtubeguckerghg4987]

@@ajtct98 nah Not trapped

[@bn880]

Close the cockpit already, keep the cocks safe :D kzbin.info/www/bejne/bni2noGrlrN6f5o

[@FullOilBarrel]

Everyone knows safety id the most important factor in f1. And what is the thing that makes it so dangerous? Speed. FIA should set speed limits at the tracks so no one will get hurt

[@numeriusmaximus3314]

And what if the flying debris bounces off from the halo straight into the public? Or what if an accident happens, the car goes on fire and they cant free the driver because of this halo? I think this wont make it any saver. It may delete problems, but it creates new ones. The only thing it does, that is making the car ugly as hell, and breaks the Formula 1 tradition of open cockpits. GODDAMNIT! For a moment the Formula one cars would look great in 2017.., we get rid of those ugly shopping carts look, like they have now with those goofy looking rear wings, better looking because of the aerodynamics, wider tires etc, and now they do this! I serious doubt that I will ever like Formula 1 again. THEY RUINING IT since 2009!

[@xboxgamer9680]

2009-2013 have been amazing, i started wathcing f1 in 2009 because of the racing and actual battles going on instead of mercedes just fucking off into the distance. Jules incident was from lack of safety awareness by the marshalls and more importantly, Charlie Whiting

[@josephbastianelli6217]

Yeah fixing one problem almost always creates a new one

[@kamil5b339]

well this comment doesn't age well. NB : If you are not aware of F1 anymore, Romain Grosjean crashed on Bahrain GP 2020, his car was on fire and he and his car was in the wall(or tether cable) and without the Halo, he would be capitated.

[@thebaguettecompany]

What if the driver dies?

[@footballmagic1145]

hope you have now eaten up your words

[@DaquanDumas]

Just take the wheels off and make them Flintstone cars. Much saver.

[@amber7975]

Well it saved Charles Leclerc 2 years ago and Romain today

[@un6250]

@@amber7975 and Carlos last year and lewis and VB this season

[@Cinestudi0]

It Just saved the 7 Times world champion life

[@oftengone]

I believe halo is great but I can't ignore the *feeling of disconnect between fans and drivers* that this device creates for me. I enjoyed being able to see the driver's helmets and their arms waving and celebrating... but you can't go back in time...

[@motorsportsworld5089]

Nope, it’s saved so many drivers lives now, I couldn’t care less about everything else it’s changed.

[@oftengone]

@@motorsportsworld5089 that's fair. I'm glad it's in F1 now I just hold the pre Halo era closer to me

[@andrascsont9605]

Fuck the halo. If you are afraid to drive in an open-cockpit car, leave F1

[@andrascsont9605]

AntiMensch yes.

[@sebastiankonigsperger8237]

AntiMensch if you dont have the balls for f1, just fuck off

[@wss33]

I know right. Let's just bring back the 1950s F1 cars and put 2000hp engines in them. Fuck safety!

[@kakol2079]

And every one dies

[@gazzamessi5936]

So if you have a closed cockpit then will you need a helmet?

[@uriahnoneck7834]

yes you will

[@rayologyxm]

Just like in LMP no different

[@samdg581]

I do like the idea. It will prevent deaths caused by parts flying around, because that will happen in most of the crashes. But I do think there is 1 big problem that will CAUSE deaths instead of preventing them. What if the engine explodes en the car goes up in flames? It doesn't look like you can get out of the car very easily. Let's say for example the big crash of Niki Lauda. He couldn't eject het seat belt. After a minute or something he got it off and escaped out of the car with some help. But, if the Halo was on his car he couldn't get help from other people and would not have escaped from the car. Let me know what you think about it.

[@ok-dm1xv]

Well now we can see that you can get out fast enough if car goes on flames and romain would be dead without halo

[@stepladder3257]

Thanks for the horrible take

[@weallfollowmanutd]

Drivers have no balls. If they came out with this 20/30 years ago, the drivers wouldn't want it and would Probably laugh. They get paid millions to risk their lives. Get on with it.

[@xboxgamer9680]

Pirelli shouod stop waisting rubber on full wet tyres since f1 aren't allowed to race under heavy rain, Jules' incident was from lack of marshallling decisions

[@TheRomanRuler]

Expect most drivers from those "good old days" also think closed cockpits or some other improved head protection is good idea.

[@Hairyniggaballs-g8i]

Until you become an F1 driver yourself, you don't get to talk about their balls because you probably are the one without them

[@jimothyus]

they get paid millions to drive nit to die. if they wanted to get paid to die they would have joined the us army

[@carguy466]

Thank god people like you are not going to succeed in life and decide anything

[@adamantiumpimmel7857]

i hate modern f1!!!

[@kingofeng4822]

Adamantium Pimmel me too

[@un6250]

Well, I’d rather see the drivers alive

[@klophop1304]

Cancel f1! Everyone is saved! Nobody dies annd we have ice cream every other sunday.

[@un6250]

You can delete this now I guess

[@xboxgamer9680]

What the halos will do?good thingsnothing Bad thingsDecreases driver visibiltySmall chance of stopping tyres and possibly other carsWhen Kevin had the fuel leak in malaysia, his car was engulfed in flames within seconds, the halo would make it twice as hard to get out of the car

[@rektrainmeme5808]

same thing for alonso when he flew into the wall he wouldn't of been able to get out if he had a halo

[@russianbubbawallace8681]

xboxgamer they just need a windscreen with tearoffs (a sheet on the windshield that can be torn off to get rid of bugs and allow better vision) for pitstops. If something hits it, then it will bounce up and over the driver's head

[@PB-fh9en]

Hehehehe 2021

[@r.a.2145]

True, but 2020 says otherwise.

[@thebaguettecompany]

I am from the future and grosjean would be dead if the 2020 cars didn't had halos...

[@ThePointlessBox_]

I mean when Lauda, the guy got his face burnt off complains that modern F1 is too safe you know youre doing something wrong

[@motorsportsworld5089]

Safety is more important than anything, especially after how much the halo has worked in saving lives.

[@un6250]

Grosjean, Carlos, Valtteri and Lewis, all would be dead now. I don’t want see 70s like conditions today

[@spiralabyss9989]

Aged like milk

[@sanderlahuis5698]

A year ago, it would have been unrealistic as 'fuck'. Now the FIA come up with the RIDICULOUS HALO

[@un6250]

“RIDICULOUS HALO” lmao

[@francescospaccamonte6042]

This didn't aged well

[@sanderlahuis5698]

I have changed my opinion and would like to kindly revoke my statement

[@didyouknow5648]

Damn calm down bro

[@misterman5651]

bulshit!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@svnsparks]

bet ur feeling real dumb now