2016 Duo Sonic Vs. 1993 Duo Sonic

Ryan compares his beloved 1993 MIM Duo Sonic to the much newer Duo Sonic HS.
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[@gavinmullet688]

Dude I can't get over that green color. It's gorgeous

[@60CycleHumcast]

it really is, in person its even better.

[@NateTheMeh]

On Adorama they are on sale in that color for 299

[@subswithnovideos-oj1wf]

pearl surf

[@lal2235]

@@NateTheMeh whats adorama?

[@ttjesus4959]

Lol good one

[@gonzavalverde]

10:02 "tell me that I suck, I don't care" lol, you're the chillest dude Ryan. Love your videos and your simplicity, cheers man

[@BTsMusicChannel]

if you get up on stage and totally suck with full on conviction, then you have a show.

[@joerox6003]

You don't suck! I enjoy all your videos because you are an informative real guy! Not a bunch of hype and flash just a real guy telling us what you really think and that is a good refreshing thing. You should have 10 times the subs you you have. Keep up the great work!

[@60CycleHumcast]

Cow Town Customs the people saying that are just being jokers ;-)

[@ravenjames3873]

exactly what i said

[@andrewlyon8924]

I like just about everything on the modern one, but the pups on the 93 are WAY better imo.

[@JLindebergful]

Damn, the TONE on that '93! You almost have me convinced to go hunting!

[@jedimindfrak82]

The older one actually sounds really good! I just picked up a new Capri Orange Duo Sonic and I love it. I rewound a set of blown '75 flat pole Strat pickups for it and now it sounds amazing.

[@MrLosfuegos]

Playing sweet guitars with even sweeter shirts lands you safely in the "no suck" zone, buddy

[@johnmccormick8159]

I have a '63 Musicmaster (22.5", 1.5" nut width) sanded and finished with a spray can clear acrylic, and the body and neck ended up the same color by happy accident. The contrast of the black and the neck of the '90s reissue really shows how small this guitar is, whereas on my Musicmaster, it's just not as striking. Great post.

[@ttjesus4959]

Bought a 2018 Duo-Sonic HS in the Lake Placid (pretty sure it's not daphne) blue with the intention of customizing it and making it my ultimate dream guitar. Bought a 1967 Musicmaster Neck, brazilian rosewood and bird's eye maple, and swapped it in. Musicmaster is the better name to me, so I found one from the year I love; 1967, and it was in "played professionally for many years" condition. Still has the logos on the headstock too. Then, I put a Shawbucker in the bridge and a 1967 Duo Sonic pickup in the neck. I put stringsaver saddles on it. And finally, I bought an original 1967 hard shell case that would've come with Duo-Sonics of that year. I've even got a 1967 serial number neck plate. So, it's a mixture of the best from the past and the best of today. Also, you should never lay eyes on it because you'll always hate that you can never find anything as pretty as it in the future. The looks were a total accident too. I guess that makes it even better

[@user-eu3mn6ss5l]

Duo-Sonics are cool guitars. I like a humbucker in the bridge on them.

[@JimmyChem]

I have the Duo Sonic HS surf green - I use it way more than my Les Paul now, and it's my first fender. Light as a feather, short scale, humbucker split, so comfortable. Mine has the rosewood fretboard, before they switched to pau ferro. Absolutely amazing guitar, seems to play well with 10s or 11s on it. I feel like getting a Mustang to go with it now. 😀

[@60CycleHumcast]

Jim Chase I put 11s on mine, such a fun guitar

[@martinrussell7408]

Is there much between the pau ferro and rosewood? I have a pau ferro version, but swapped the bridge pick up for a Seymour Duncan JB, gives it a bit more oomph. Love the pick ups on the 90's re-issue by the way!

[@laptopfuneral]

omg that 93 sounds beautiful 😭

[@60CycleHumcast]

laptop funeral it has a really nice mid thump to it. It's a really unique feeling guitar but very fast once you get used to it.

[@laptopfuneral]

60 Cycle Hum i’m 5’1” so for me it’ll probably would be an easy adjustment haha this guitar also has like just the sound i’ve been looking for too ! i’m definitely gonna be on the look out for one of these !!

[@Stoner075C]

@@laptopfuneral Did you get one? I am 1.5 in metric and 5’1” in imperial. And I can attest to the perfect size adjustment, and the sound, and the wandering tuning.

[@JLindebergful]

I just picked up a new olive green Fender Mustang. Holy crap I LOVE it. You should check one out! I'd love to see a side-by-side with a Duo-Sonic.

[@Edward-MTBKR]

Bought a 2017 surf green Duo-Sonic HS, put 11's on it, love it cant put it down!

[@caivsivlivs]

damn that surf green and kinda mint green or aged pickguard combination looks so good. wish the newer offset series had the original style bridge though.

[@eelalien]

Excellent comparison - thank you! Based on your video, I just purchased a '90s MiM Duo-Sonic... I REALLY love the tones coming out of those pups! (And the price was right..;-)

[@mykiedoyle4297]

I appreciate your videos on the Duo's, man. I was on the fence about picking one up. Super glad I did.

[@jacobsnightmare1807]

Wow man! I know this is an old video, but I'm thinking of getting a new DS, and I cant believe how much better the 90s one sounds in your video. I prefer a humbucker in the bridge, but even the single coil in the 90s sounded fatter than the HB in in the newer one. Now I am at a loss...LOL. Not your fault. The video was great and informative. Thank you.

[@60CycleHumcast]

the 90s one just has a special mojo. Its super short scale is unique feeling, but theres something about it that I love.

[@jacobsnightmare1807]

@@60CycleHumcast I could see why! It sounds great!!

[@phoneymalony]

that midget is really strong and punchy ~ leans a bit toward a Jaguar sound to me but with the jangular under control. sadly i couldn't cope with the toothpick neck ('thinner than a New York joint' yuk, yuk). i enjoy your demos, thanks Ryan

[@ravenjames3873]

my comment is you don't suck. i think there's way too much complaining from people today, but if all your doing is playing how is beginner guitar player supposed to learn if you don't explain. plus even if you have experience playing guitar, you can always get something out of it. i started out playing guitar when i was 10 yrs old, was i good at it no but i learned how to read music which was frustrating at times but i had a very good patient music teacher. over time practicing every day for 3 hours at time, by the time i was 15 i could play just about any song you could think of. so now at the age of 25 i have 15 years of experience, but even then you are constantly growing as a musician. music is eternal and in my opinion you never stop learning. besides you do play the guitar enough to let people hear what it sounds like, and that's all that matters. i like the channel, so keep up the good work.

[@reisakakibara]

man, yeah the 90's duo sonic sounds so much warmer damn. Now I have to keep an eye out for one of those

[@gordianknot6867]

The reason for 22.75 instead of 22.5 like the vintage model is. 22.5 was interchangeable with 24 mustang/jaguar necks. They use 22.75 because that’s interchangeable with 25.5 strat/jazzmaster necks.

[@aaronabubo]

Jeepers. That 22.7" inch scale neck is SO SHORT haha.

[@JLindebergful]

Aaron Abubo It's 'wee'

[@thomasraven]

Definitely prefer the maple board. I certainly don't get why every Fender doesn't come with vintage split tuners. They're even better than locking tuners to me. Thanx for the comparison!

[@notjason]

The 90s duo-sonic is a weird-ass guitar. I think the neck is the same scale as the Mini-Strat, and because it's such a weird size and scale, the bridge ends up being like an inch further back than it should be. And I think the huge space between the saddles and the bridge pickup is part of where this big warm tone comes from. The other being the ridiculous scale length and how that influences the movement of the strings. I string mine super heavy, and the result is that it sounds huge.

[@notjason]

See also the Squier classic-vibe reissues from a few years back. Those also had a weird non-native neck that resulted in an displaced bridge. I've got one of those as well, and the body was clearly the same template as the Mexican 90s model.

[@STAY-GOLD-VINYL]

Jason Unterreiner A guy here in my town wants $150 for a 1993 and I dont know if I should pull the trigger

[@SirEnVo]

@@STAY-GOLD-VINYL yess

[@sleepymarauder4178]

I love your vids. They are quite refreshing, honest and very informative. Even though your playing isn't the most technical, it is still fun to listen to. And that's what matters mate

[@guitardudebp]

Ordered the new Duo Sonic in Daphne blue a week ago. Most comfortable playing guitar I've ever held in my hands. Wasn't planning on getting one, but just had to get one before I left the shop. Not the biggest fan of the single coil, but want to see if I can change that for a humbucker. Also, changing the pickguard to a tortoise style pickguard, would look so sick and think they should come with that standard Nice playing as always man, most genuine and honest guitar dude on youtube

[@stiglistanbul]

Warm thud. Couldn't have described that sound any better. Love me a shortscale Fender.

[@M3G4z]

That 90’s DuoSonic Sounds Amaziiing!

[@fraterfraxinus6293]

This man is not ashamed to admit he loves little guitars.

[@Saycheeseanddie84]

Holy guacamole the 90's version annihilated the modern version. Thank you for this!

[@rossenmladenov5366]

Having a stripe on the back of the neck does not depend on truss rod adjustment place (head or heel). If there is a glued on fret board (whether maple, as in this case, or rosewood) - then you don't have the stripe, you install the truss rod and cover it after with the fret board. If you have a solid maple neck (no fret board as a separate glued on top of the neck element), then you cut the channel for the truss rod on the back and cover it after with a stripe of dark wood.

[@TheScreamingFrog916]

Thanks, I always wondered about that. Because of you, I learned something new today.

[@rossenmladenov5366]

globalnova purely for esthetics reason I guess. Although such cases are rare, there have been other Fender guitars through the years having both stripe and glued on fretboard.

[@rossenmladenov5366]

globalnova Not that rare, as it turns out... Here’s what Fender says: www.fender.com/articles/tech-talk/what-is-a-skunk-stripe

[@denyel_]

dude hearing that 90s one is making me regret the shortscale i just bought damn it subbing to u is gonna be expensive

[@trainofflesh]

There's really something about that green color- especially when you see it in person and it's in yr hands. It's truly a thing of beauty. Guitars are already aesthetically pleasant to begin with- but that damn green color elevates the whole package to a higher plane of existence. Like I dunno if I should play it, or put it in a museum, or sleep with it under my pillow, or get naked with it and fondle it all nite long by candlelight!

[@ChrisFranklyn]

Ha ha :) You really do have to see a finish. I spent a long time drooling over the PRS exotic wood guitars on the internet. But when I saw them in the store they looked almost like cheap laminate flooring panels and I took an instant dislike.

[@brich2929]

Back in the 90's when I was poor, I HAD to have a Jazzmaster, so I put one on layaway and paid for it over time (a MIJ Candy Red with matching headstock). I would sit it against the wall and just stare at it with the lights down low. May have fondled it naked by candlelight too, but we won't talk about it. It's our secret. Anyhow, money got tight and rent had to be paid so I pawned it and never saw her again.

[@ChrisFranklyn]

That's the saddest story I've ever heard! 😭

[@NateTheMeh]

You can buy it for 299 rn at the Adorama Camera website

[@hoboKinngg]

Great video man! I was wondering what kind of pedals you were using with the playing you did at the end??

[@onkelpool]

I also have a small palm, but I am extremely reluctant to have a classic 25,5" with a narrow neck. Typical feature for Strats and Teles! I really enjoy fingering my 25.5 "wide neck natural instrument - there is enough room for a "small" hand too! Mustangs and Duo-Sonics are much, much more comfortable in this place - shorter mensure but lot of stringspace - like real guitars reduced proportionately! I like Mustangs - not for long, only the last 42 years! :) The mystery is the use of "tempered" Telecaster saddles! This so-called compensation is calculated for 6% longer vibrating string. But 6% means a +/- quarter tone offset from stright tuning...

[@bryantherrera6777]

The 90’s version has Standard ceramic MIM Strat pickups (higher output compared to the modern offset/player series alnico pickups). Does it not? Swap out the modern offset duo Sonic low output pickups for Strat pickups for a livelier tone. And maybe a thicker gauge string because why not. If anybody tried this. Lmk how it sounds!

[@RhinestonePickupTruck]

Favorite channel on KZbin, thanks for the great content! Just bought an orange 2016 Duo Sonic. Definitely like the guitar, but not "beefy" enough

[@60CycleHumcast]

you bet! ;-). those orange ones look great!

[@distastefulpopmusicisbaddo7165]

A few weeks ago I bought a 93 mexican for $30, the guy was about to bolt it to his wall and didn't know what he had

[@Bigricky06]

I found one in the garbage container someone threw away. I look up the serial number and it's a 1996 Mexican. the person said it was a trash guitar, just throw it away. I told them ok. It is sitting in my studio right now.

[@distastefulpopmusicisbaddo7165]

Bigricky06 Guy I bought mine off of didn't know he had anything good and he was about to drill it to a wall in his shop. I fixed it up and now it sounds beautiful

[@ernestschultz5065]

no question about it. the old one sounds better. i just happen to have the same 90s reissue

[@MrJacobs811]

I got that exact same new Duo Sonic for $360 brand new on Adorama earlier today. Looks like they shut it off though. Was only available for that price in Lake Placid Blue

[@TheOriginalSullyman]

Had a modern Duo Sonic and just couldn't ever get any unique tones from it compared to my strats and teles. Love the very different tones coming from that 93 though! Thick, and syrupy sweet. Yum!

[@mcqueen7584]

Looove that mint green, please get the surf green Stang

[@bcc1955]

Cool vid Ryan! Can I ask if you think the 93 neck pocket is the same as the modern Squire Mini Strat (22.75) neck pocket? And could you possibly measure the thinness of the 93 neck at fret 1? compared to the modern Duosonic which I believe is 22.7mm thick?

[@bPcrazydave]

Regarding the string through vs over the top. I don't think one is better than the other. They're just different. As an artist, I like to relate it to paint brushes. You use different types of brushes for different textures, and I feel guitars are the same way. I don't know about all this sustain I hear about on a string through, I feel the biggest difference is in the way the note swells. I feel string through has a sharper attack. Like if I was to visualize it, I would see the over the top being a round bump, where as the string through would quickly spike, then slowly decay. I believe the sharper attack gives it a more percussive sound that I like to use for some palm muted funk, or skanky ska rhythms. Just throwing my opinion out there, since you asked.

[@ptrisonic]

Er, it doesn't matter which end the truss rod adjustment is. All true vintage fifties Strats had a skunk stripe and adjustment at the butt end. What it usually means is that it has a maple cap fretboard and the truss rod was fitted from the front before the fretboard was stuck to the rest of the neck. Truss this helps. Sorry ;)...... Best, Pete.

[@jfrankcarr]

The '93 pickguard is single ply vs. multi-ply on the newer ones although you can get thicker replacements for the '90's series. The pickguards on the 90's ones are very fragile. The previous teen owner of mine cracked it in several places in a misguided pickup swap that also destroyed the electronics.

[@60CycleHumcast]

Frank Carr I like the singly ply on mine, I believe it's fragile though.

[@macemaster124578]

Do you mind comparing the sounds of the offsets and the mainstream stuff? Would be an interesting video!

[@pogoism1]

Will you review the player series duo sonic too?

[@purrpocalypse]

If I didn't already have a Cyclone I would be picking up one of these new Duo-Sonics... Why doesn't Fender just bring back the Cyclone, anyhow? It was such a great guitar.

[@jvin248]

Your experiments with pickups and not sounding the same as the 1993 should include matching the pots and caps as exact as you can using a meter for actual measured values. Pots have normal factory tolerance range of 20% and it matters bright/dark output tones. Caps have a 10% tolerance range. (and pickups themselves have some unpublished tolerance, lol). So if you want to compare pickups you always need to account for keeping the same controls (they control the tone!) as well. Having a 22inch scale travel guitar I can say the 24inch would be a better choice for a daily driver and Fender made a better plan for the new ones.

[@fedestrat2caster]

Hi! I have a question, please. When you use the guitar in standing position, hanging on a strap: Does the neck dives? I mean if the neck tend to down to the floor, as in some SG's type guitar. Thank you!

[@lightworker1969]

I like the newer one better.

[@vvavie4858]

The 90s reissue definitely sounds better

[@mikebiggle4691]

Ryan, I really want to try a 24" scale Fender or Squier. Haven't found one within a 100 miles. I am new to playing, but have found out I prefer a slimmer neck. Currently playing a Squier Affinity Strat. Can you describe the neck on the new Duo Sonic? I have read it is a little clubish? Great video, Thanks

[@davidvanes4597]

Hi. The modern equivalent of your 1993 Duo-sonic is the Squier Fender Strat Mini 22 3/4 scale. Perhaps compare that. With your Duo-sonic? I have small hands so have tried the Bullet Mustang but can play much more and sound better on the Mini Strat. As long as you don't try and cram your fingers to far past the 12th fret.

[@SuzanneNuttall]

Very cool and interesting video!

[@jimmycederborg8502]

Hey Ryan, I love the offset Fenders/Squiers. I have a Vintage mod Squier Mustang. Ever though about a difference review of the duo sonic and the vintage mod mustang?

[@60CycleHumcast]

if i get my hands on a mustang ill do a comparison.

[@GregStallion]

I got my Black '94 Duo-Sonic R.I. for only $175 back in 2010 when I just 16, (it was a gift from my step-dad for surviving my nightmarish Sophomore year of High School), but it was really beat-up. At a glance, it looked near mint and pretty perfect, but, the pickguard was lifted towards the bridge pickup (the previous owner used it for their picks), the nut was loose (I had to glue it in), the tone control wasn't wired properly and the hardware on the body was rusted. It was all original parts, but I recently just upgraded it. I love the look and tone, but it could use a few more mods. It's my dream guitar, but I definitely got a bad one, hence the low price. (I've seen beaten up '98 Affinity Squiers go for more than mine...) Anyway, question for you, Ryan: Do you go light with your strings on your R.I. or do you go with a more standard gauge? Personally, I go super, extra light.

[@i3oosted]

awesome outro

[@JayEdom]

I had that 93 duo sonic before sold it for 30 bucks and some booze i bought it for 200 in a pawnshop half a year earlier in 2017 lol i needed 2018 New Years beer lmao such a small guitar it was ok but nothing special and the neck pickup died too and painted it tan instead of the black. But it’s now a kids first guitar and that’s pretty good starter guitar

[@b-regsproductions]

@60CycleHum what’s the string spacing on the 2016 duosonic??

[@benorlowski9388]

I have a 93 that looks exactly like that, I can confirm: stock tuners suck. They are plastic.

[@60CycleHumcast]

Ben Orlowski are they really plastic? I don't remember that.

[@benorlowski9388]

60 Cycle Hum At least parts are, like the keys and some internal pieces.

[@Empyrean55]

Really love your videos

[@boxcarstewart311]

Nice work!

[@B_SIDES]

I'm really struggling between purchasing a Mustang 90 and the duo sonic featured in this video. I've been rocking my Squier Pro Tone strat for a while now but I'd like to change it up and have some fun playing something else. I've had my eyes on a Mustang style guitar for a while but I'm really struggling to pick between my two options. It would be awesome if someone could help me along with my decision!!

[@segazora]

I have a question about the 90s duo sonic, theres no skunk stripe on the neck or access at the headstock. Is there a screw under the pickguard or does the 90s not have a truss rod

[@EatAPeach72]

3:38 answers your question Brother !

[@stevereed740]

Hi Ryan, did you replace the HS Duo Sonic? Last video I watched you just bought it and it was scratched pretty badly.

[@60CycleHumcast]

Stephen Reed I returned it pretty soon after that video. I was hoping guitar center would offer me a discount based on the undisclosed damage but they just did a straight return instead.

[@coffeekhan]

Ryan: YOU SUCK!!! LOL! (You told us to say it, now, didn't ya???) Wow! I can't believe the difference in the sound of those pickups. The '93 sounds sooooo much better. Much more fuller tone than the HS. Nice video Ryan!

[@tonym.villacruzvillacruz5728]

I'm surprised no one is talking shit about this guitar just because it's made in Mexico.

[@tayshawnjacksonbluntsmokah9979]

Most guitar players know that mexican fenders are great guitars. IV always loved my mexican telecaster. I have this duo sonic too and im in love with it. The mexico plant makes quality guitars for sure.👍

[@joki94]

You forgot to discuss the tonewood

[@Mrbigtimber7]

Definitely prefer that 1993

[@fitthebill7134]

So I just purchased a 2016 Capri model. I want to put a black pick guard on it, but I’m only able to find them for the 1990 model. Would they fit the same?

[@60CycleHumcast]

its a different bridge shape so probably not, many pickguard sites will cut a custom pickguard for you if you send them a trace of the original. Ive never done that before bu i know its an option.

[@johnmccormick8159]

WD will cut a custom pick guard if you send them a tracing of what you want.

[@darrylmurray2261]

I love my 90's reissue for all the reasons you don't like yours. The problem with mine is soft fret wire that wore out quickly. Also when you put the switch on both pickups (middle position) it puts the 2 pickups in series essentially making a noiseless humbucker out of them. Handy in noisy environments and a pleasing slightly mellower fuller tone...B^ )

[@atealime]

thank you for mentioning the Noiseless humbucker quote on quote lol gonna go try that I usually just use the bridge pick up

[@nicolasmoreno9143]

So... the tuning is standard tuning? Because a think the scale lenght would afect the way you tune the guitar like in the baritone guitars. My question might be stupid but please, release me of my ignorance.

[@60CycleHumcast]

Nicolas Miranda you can tune them standard, if you wanted to tune a guitar higher, like to F# or G a short scale would work well, though I’ve never heard of anyone doing that

[@nicolasmoreno9143]

60 Cycle Hum Thank you, I really apreciate your answer.

[@noi5emaker]

for reference, Brian May's guitar has a 24" scale length. I built a 24" scale guitar and it is a dream to play, in standard tuning. To get the same tension as a Fender (25 1/2" ) scale, you need 10 gauge strings, but I use 9s and still like them.

[@dimiaraujo90]

To be honest, I prefer the "looks" of the 90's version. But the built quality and probably the tone too, is better on the new ones.

[@0000song0000]

i recently got myself a clasical guitar on 23" scale (hand issues)... that 22.7" is that flirting w/me?

[@60CycleHumcast]

Yep. The 1993 was a 22.7" scale. - steve

[@RS-pp7ng]

‘93 pickups sound fuller. Other than that , the new one is better

[@noi5emaker]

I spy that Hofner Shorty! Love mine. Did you do a review of it?

[@60CycleHumcast]

I think i did a little video of it, its surprisingly really good. I like to bust it out at parties.

[@noi5emaker]

Cool. I'll look it up. I take mine on holidays and weekend trips. I changed the pickup though. I put a Duncan Designed distortion in it, and swapped the magnet with an AlNiCo VIII. It really rocks!

[@alejandrordz.1250]

Hello man, I liked your video, it explained me all my doubts about the duo sonic. But I still having a question, I hope you can answer me: the fender logo, is it a decal? Or is it imprinted? I hope you can answer me, so, thank you man!!

[@60CycleHumcast]

its printed

[@alejandrordz.1250]

And, what about the serial number? Where is it?

[@alejandrordz.1250]

Btw, I'm talking about the 90's duo sonic. And, sorry if I bother you with my questions haha

[@60CycleHumcast]

the serial is printed under the fender logo on the front of the headstock in the 90s mim style.

[@Bj-vi3tq]

Just bought a duo hs. What are your thoughts on throwing a hot rail in the neck?

[@burninglcd]

I am sexually attracted to that guitar

[@walterweimer1333]

Same amp and eq? '93 can't be so much better !

[@_Teo__]

I got my mim duo sonic for 100 euros in mint condition. What string gauge would you suggest? thanks for the video

[@60CycleHumcast]

is it a 90s mim? those are super short scale, i like to keep 13s on those. the recent ones are longer scale and you should just use what you usually use or one gauge higher on them.

[@_Teo__]

@@60CycleHumcast thanks for your reply. Yes it is 90s mim. i was also thinking to change tuning pegs. which ones you suggest? i think you said grover mini? The other thing that it is not so fine for me is the quality of the frets. They need levelling because some of them are damaged.

[@60CycleHumcast]

@@_Teo__ bummer about the frets, yeah i have grovers in mine, but really any modern tuner will be a huge improvement. my duo sonic wasn't really playable till i put new tuners in it. you will need to reem the holes to get new tuners to fit, but its worth it.

[@_Teo__]

@@60CycleHumcast thanx for the info and for all your videos!

[@josephkellum1242]

Is this David Van Driessen, the teacher from Beavis and Butthead?

[@bozboz133]

???? skunk stripe doesn't determine adjustment point???? check that one without the stripe it's a maple capped maple neck isn't it?????

[@60CycleHumcast]

Boz Boz I suspected I was wrong about that as I was saying it, damnit, lol.

[@bozboz133]

60 Cycle Hum ya coulda just said hey you won you caught my mistake that I purposely chose to leave haha. all good man!

[@fetalmossy117]

I've been considering a 1994 Mexican duo Sonic for 400$ but I'm not sure. Is it worth it for the price?

[@60CycleHumcast]

Bawsh that’s steep for a 90s mim, unless something has changed that I do t know about they should be under $300

[@fetalmossy117]

Ah okay, well I'm caught between A mim duo Sonic for 400 and a squier vintage modified jazzmaster for 270. I'd really appreciate some advice :)

[@GregStallion]

@@fetalmossy117 Hey, Bawsh. Please be sure to read my other comment regarding the '94 Duo-Sonic R.I. Anyway, in regard to the Squier Vintage Modified, unless is the Special model, I wouldn't pay over $250, and if it's noticeably, yet not severely used, I wouldn't pay over $210. If it's super beat up, the most I'd pay is $150-$175. I've owned two pre-owned Squier Vintaged Modifieds: an original 2010 Telecaster Custom Deluxe I (the first version without the Fender-engraved humbucker covers and the traditional Tele headstock) and an original 2010 V.M. 70's Style Jazz Bass, (also obviously first generation with the super cheap binding and the actual Seymour Duncan-branded pickups.) They are both super cheap instruments and are some of the worst things Squier has ever put out for slightly more expensive models. If the Jazzmaster you're looking at was purchased within the excellent condition, is the Special model and/or the seller is gonna provide you with a gig bag or something, than maybe I'd advise paying around $270, as the new ones go for about $400. Even though I have yet to play any of them, I know this new series of Vintage Modified guitars and basses seem much better. It's your call, but I'd personally recommend buying a brand new one off of Sweetwater and doing their 3-month payment plan. It's only a $10 fee and you get the guitar right away.

[@GregStallion]

@@fetalmossy117 Also, once again, it depends. I got my '94 R.I. for $175 and it needed a new pickguard and currently needs a trust rod adjustment and new frets. (It's always need it, but I got it 8 years ago when I was still a kid in high school and I've never had the time, money or resources to repair it.) The frets are exposed on all '93 - '97 MIM Fenders and '89 Chinese Squiers, so please be aware of that, and the pickguards are super cheap. (My pickguard was warped and my frets are literally lifted and popping out of the fretboard.) These guitars were very cheaply produced and people got very different ones--even when they were brand new on the market in the '90s. Many people I know bought ones with bad wiring, myself included. (My tone was never wired properly and there was no evidence pre-repair that it had ever been tampered with--it just wasn't soldered properly.) So yeah, it's a gamble buying them at any price, especially when heavily used. It's my baby, but that's because I have tiny-ass hands, super weird tastes, and am in a crappy Ween-inspired band. I'd recommend buying the new ones. The most I'd ever pay for an original R.I. in near mint condition would be $400, but for anything else still original, but obviously less than very good, I wouldn't pay over $350, and as Ryan said, they should usually go for no higher than $300. Modded-out and refinished/repainted or something to a point where it's word class-level job, I'd pay upwards to $450, but that's about it. At such high prices, it's really just not worth the risk. I'd advise buying one of the new 2017 Offset ones for like $100-$150 more.

[@fetalmossy117]

@@GregStallion I really wouldn't of thought about the work they would need to be honest, I'll take a look at Sweet water then, thanks man I appreciate it

[@pandorasflame7742]

I’m planning on buying a 93 reissue with DeMarzio Blades to play some blues and surf rock through an Orange Crush 30R!

[@paulsmith2102]

I had a 90s duo sonic it was unplayable wouldnt hold a tune high action pos

[@J.Escudero]

the new duo sonic have less output

[@60CycleHumcast]

yeah, but i feel like it more 'normal'. I think they did a good job designing the new ones to be an average players guitar.

[@flix9124]

Put EMGs in the Fender Mustang. That would be sick.

[@danielsgrunge]

I really love 22,5" guitars cause they are so fucking stupid