2016 Porsche 911 Carrera S: Have Turbos Killed The Magic? - Carfection

[@HarizHafiGarden]

Most of the people who complain are the ones who haven't even sat in one

[@tennismaroc]

Nonsense. The NA sounds much better and the feeling when driven is incomparable.

[@mray9305]

Correct or even owned one lol

[@lohithreddy6629]

Does that mean they can’t have an opinion??

[@cominacatcha]

I somehow suddenly imagined a mob of angry 911 enthusiast with pitchforks and torches screaming "Heresy!! Witchcraft!!"

[@longtailgt]

+cominacatcha That moment when you remember a line from a car review that is 2 years old but you don't remember what you studied yesterday.

[@xIWRESTLEABEARONCEx]

Your joke is older than James may.

[@bighands69]

+BlackWind I own a GT3 that is several years old and was considering buy a 911 Carrera next year. But that now looks to be of the table. I hate turbo's in performance cars. It is one of the reasons I have an RS5 but even the new RS5 may be going down the turbo routes. I have no problems with Porsche doing turbo's but to have all of there cars as turbo (barring GT3) is just insane. Even Ferrari is going down the turbo route.

[@carlitoxb110]

+bighands69 all the cars in the future are gonna be turbocharged , hybrid or electric... Is the future get used to it.

[@Ayrton4everrr]

James May quote at Top gear on Porsche

[@eugenehvorostyanov2409]

Definitely you had hard time filming in such unpleasant weather. Thank you.

[@Sandouras]

+Carfection Couldn't you postpone it?

[@chickensoupfortheloser8515]

Just seeing the typical english weather in a video is depressing.

[@emrico]

+Carfection whenever you don't feel like going out in the rain in a new 911 call me, i'll spare you the suffering

[@emrico]

***** i'd happily do their job too :)

[@Sandouras]

buggeroff It is when you're supposed to review a sportscar and you cant drive it how it's supposed to be driven because of the weather. Also, SUN >>>>>> RAIN

[@ShermanMR2]

RIP to one of the best sounding cars on the planet.

[@boy638]

2:15 shots fired at us who still complain about the Carfection name lol

[@itswhitenoise9607]

The 991.2 is just the natural progression of the 911. You may not get that NA sound but the benefits of the turbo engine is definitely worth the sacrifice. It's faster, more fuel efficient, more connected and less steer by wire. I think Porsche is just embracing the change and the final product is pretty damn awesome!

[@Sideways_Singh]

No thats what happens when ur biased and blinded by love for a brand. Its a sports car no one cares about fuel effeciency, or faster, the sound is a huge part of the driving experience, the theatre, what seperates iconic supercars from normal cars.

[@davidjames6247]

Well I have owned a 997.2 turbo s and a 991 turbo and how special these cars are !! The performance in both speed and handling of these turbo's is just simply outstanding. That is only going to be diluted by all 911s now having a turbo...it just won't be the same for those of us that have driven the "real thing". That Porsche turbo mystic now becomes just standard equipment. You can now buy a base 911 and tune it ( ecu , headers, exhaust, intake plenum ) for about $11-12,000 and have a 500hp+ beast! My 991 turbo was tuned to 650hp and it was a under 3 second animal! The tuning wonders of turbo's😄

[@TheAkrhino12]

Great job on filming in the rain. It made for some really near perspectives and a nice change in scenery. Thanks for a good review.

[@slaWterCH]

For a facelift, this generation has a lot of new stuff available. Mostly multimedia and safety things. That is great and all. But the emotion part definitely took a hit. Even my sales guy told me that they now have to start selling the cars differently. They can't just let the potential customer go out for a drive with PSE on and then come back and sign the contract. With this change, even though I love the new design, the 911 is not an attractive offering anymore. It's more a GT car now. The GT3 models are the only interesting 911s now. And with the turbos coming to the mid-engined models soon, there is pretty much no attractive Porsche left apart from the most extreme ones. Sad. I hope once the batteries get lighter they ditch the turbos again and use NA engines with additional E-motors, like in the 918. That would be my preferred solution if you have to meet those useless emission regulations.

[@JoJoJoker]

My fear is the 997.2 C4S & C4GTS cars will start becoming more expensive before I get to buy mine.

[@bighands69]

+slaWterCH It is politics that is killing cars. It is fake environmentalism that is driving all of this.

[@carlitoxb110]

Yeah 911 must go hybrid, that is the more logical next step

[@bighands69]

+RaphProgListener E-Motors are perfect for everyday family usage. And they have exceptional performance. But they lack the sound of a ICE. That is their weakness as a sports car. Porsche NA cars have always sound amazing. They have a pure sports grunt about them that is purely natural.

[@michaelschneider-]

Great to hear Mr. Alex's 2 cents regarding the new 3.0tt Carrera S cars. The 911 range turbo motors are welcome in the high elevations of Colorado.At my driveway its 8,200ft ... My MY98 911 (993) C2S 3.6l is sucking wind .... output power is off by -20% or more. Say -3% for every 1,000ft above sea level. Turbo charging offsets this elevation negative somewhat. Go ahead Porsche AG .... turbo charge everything ......

[@bingoberra18]

C4S with a tune and an exhaust please

[@coureurdebois]

love the new tail lights and engine cover.

[@dedelabinouze5110]

That steering wheel is fabulous. And that manual transmission god yes. But please UK journalists, for the love of god, settle somewhere the roads are not soaking wet 90% of the time.

[@dedelabinouze5110]

***** South of France is not that far.

[@Claypoool]

+Carfection chck weather and schedule on a dry day or dry part of the day. Jmo

[@adamwebb2350]

+Dédé LABINOUZE Ha ha ha. You think there's a place in the UK like that.

[@billyh6872]

+Dédé LABINOUZE yea hang on a second let me just ask David Cameron if he can stop the rain so carfection can shoot a video you melt

[@salangchoi02]

For a turbo car, you might want the PDk to keeping rpm high.

[@GT380man]

I know this is very old, but this I don’t understand. In the days of NA engines, the turbo was the dream car. Now they’re all turbos, some people don’t like that. What part of a huge contradiction am I missing? I’m seriously considering buying a 911. Life’s literally too short not to, if you like the idea and have the means. We’re running towards the end of privately owned motor cars. What a way to finish, with a 911!!

[@peterwindsor9466]

I agree having owned 930,993 turbos considered very desirable- now all fitted with turbos its not desirable? Love my 991.2 targa 4s !

[@obedchattergoon2780]

So it's not a 911 turbo but it has two turbos so it is but it isn't... Porsche logic.

[@tvanb]

They can't just change every single name.

[@xDAAAZEx]

Should have the new 911 turbo as a 911 turbo turbo

[@jettdiff8573]

+Jackie Scholl That's not true. They called it the turbo because it literally had a turbo, unlike the rest of the lineups. Of course now, it has caused confusion.

[@nameunko]

In the future it will be. It's not a 4S but it has AWD , so it is and isn't....

[@webcrawler9782]

+xDAAAZEx or super turbo

[@TheBentwrist]

Why the fuck do people worry about turbos? I have a Carrera S 997 with a normally aspirated 3.8 engine (no turbos). I will happily get a Carrera with turbos at a later date. Porsche know more about Porsches than most commentators do is my bet.

[@annuvynarawn392]

It will be interesting to see what the Cayman is like with the new turbo. Thanks for a nice balanced view on the new 911, it looks lovely.

[@luftlinie811]

I Could listen to this guy all day. Subscribed.

[@jamiewaring6005]

I do like Porsche and i think the new look is an evolution and it's like fine tuning. The main question I have is that with them now adding turbos to the 'standard' 911 will there no longer be a need for the Turbo and Turbo S? I loved the Turbo as it gave that sense of power and rawness and made it stand out, all be it with a fancy spoiler but now do you really need one?

[@Siper2]

Some scathing one-liners in there - I loved it. Nice job!

[@mojostevo]

Pretty cool. you can get a 911 with a turbo and a manual gearbox again.

[@DanielSilva-fy6bo]

Yeah but it's not the most powerful model, it's not the "turbo" model so I don't see what's so great about it

[@mojostevo]

Turbo kits can be upgraded. Keep an eye peeled, you're going to see specialty shop and aftermarket companies making some screamers out of these.

[@Riparay121]

+Daniel Silva Manual gearboxes aren't for Speed or Acceleration, they are for fun. Most people who spend high amounts of money for a Car like the Turbo S or GT3 RS, aren't buying them to have fun with a Manual box, they are buying those models to be driving the fastest Porsches. If they were manual they would lose to a 458 Italia or AMG GT... With PDK they are faster than anything on the road that isn't a Hypercar. Think about it, really.

[@malicalik]

Sorry for my kinda unrelated question, but it seemed like it was the right time, so here it goes. If 458 and amg gt are super cars, what is a 911 carrera/carrera s? It has less power yet it can almost match them in terms of acceleration which is really odd to me. And if a 911 carrera s is a super car, then what is a 911 turbo s?

[@Riparay121]

malicalik 13 I remember reading a quote from Porsche saying that they are Sports Car makers. Every Porsche drives like a Sports car, whether it's a 911 or a Cayenne or a Panamera. If you drive a Mercedes GLE 63 AMG, as good a car as it is, there is nothing sporty about it other than the power, when compared to a Porsche equivalent. The Porsche Cayenne Turbo on the other hand, has sports car handling combined with power and amazing balance. Some Porsches have Supercar Performance such as the Turbo S and GT2 RS amd GT3 RS, but they are still classified as sports cars as they did start life with the classic Sports Car 911 Body. Wings and Air Vents can't turn a Sports Car into a Supercar. A Supercar car has to be Super in more than 1 way. In my opinion it has to have Super Performance - Top Porsches have Super Looks - Only Carrera GT + 918 have Super Sound - Only Carrera GT + 918 have Super Interior - Only Carrera GT + 918 have Super Price Tag - Top Porsches Have

[@MACtheVILLAIN]

How will the previous cars resale value react to this car? This was the prettiest 911 imo, second only to the 993. I feel like people will prefer the new model simply because it's faster. But I think the better experience would be in the previous car. Mind you I haven't driven either one.

[@peejstar]

Is that Phil Collins ?

[@leloodallasmultipass]

+Carfection but, nearly? we need more songs.

[@ldomi25]

Amazing video with nice cinematography! Nice video yet again

[@felixh97]

I think the performance exhaust doesn't look good. I prefer the 4 exhaust system, looks much better

[@koopagabla]

PLEASE do the new Mustang GT! I would really love to hear your impressions of it considering what you get for the price. (especially here in the US but still)

[@koopagabla]

Can't wait! Fingers crossed for some dry weather

[@TheCloudhopper]

Alex Goy + Porsche = Carfection

[@malicalik]

at 4:08, background music is lovely, can you guys tell me what is it called please?

[@aimanzahry]

Alex Arcoleo - Shadowtalk

[@tim2468]

Nice job on a comprehensive review. It's that "angry feeling" I would miss.

[@pjvenda]

That opening line was class :-) well done, great video!

[@pjvenda]

+Carfection Haha, good laugh though for 911 owners :-p Not what makes the video great, but a nice touch nonetheless.

[@detaart]

Dear Carfection, I owe you an apology. I truly believed xcar had gone away and some lame corporate bs had taken it's place. I was wrong. Clearly wrong. Thanks, Alex. Thanks, Carfection.

[@GT-hh3ts]

Change is always hard but Porsche 911 is always going to be iconic. A lot smashed on the PDKS in the GT3's but after experiencing it they wouldn't go back. I feel Porsche will continue to be very desirable and continue to make incredible sports cars. I do prefer NA engines like my GT3 but would love to have a 991 Turbo S as well.

[@d0718]

Nice review (as always with Alex) and filming! As for the car.. I fell in love with it the moment it was released, exactly in that colour as in the video (though I'd prefer some other colour for the interior). And I don't care about the turbos. Porsche know how to make brilliant cars, so I am sure this one is no exception.

[@lerudeboy]

Well done gents, job well done! props to the camera men

[@VIDUGATOK19]

The music you guys use is magnificent, may I know where you get it from?

[@aimanzahry]

Alex Arcoleo - Shadowtalk

[@markitoxi]

Glad you're back

[@nikb6528]

this video wasn't as informative as I would have hoped..

[@davidmitchell5638]

+Nik Brudar Enough to make me decide which is which, so.....

[@nikb6528]

David MuscleGuy which is which?

[@davidmitchell5638]

Nik Brudar non turbo.

[@prashanthpanicker2890]

+Nik Brudar XCAR and now Carfection was never really about that. Their reviews have always been rooted in the intangibles about the love of cars and that's why I keep coming back.

[@nikb6528]

Prashanth Panicker Yes, that is true!

[@salangchoi02]

People pay a fortune for 930 turbos. Now you have a turbo even for a base model and start to complain. LOL

[@peterwindsor9466]

Yes ,and the turbo lag they complain about being half a second in the 991.2 .These cars are way nicer than 930,993 turbos - I had them all and love my 991.2 targa 4s

[@rytisvitenas5784]

Whats the name of backround song? One hell of a review btw!

[@alexandernoskov60]

Shadowtalk by Alex Arcoleo

[@HakanWilke]

Please do a fuel comparison between 991.1 and 991.2, I'm doubtful that 991.2 is more fuel efficient.

[@adwebwiz]

+Håkan Wilke They said about 13% more fuel efficient!

[@HakanWilke]

+HouseMouseAlex yes, they say that but it would be interesting to see a real world comparison.

[@march11stoneytony]

13% more efficient at highway cruising speeds probably! More air means more fuel

[@Vanderkitten]

Good on ya for the honest review! I'm excited for 2-reasons- Easy to get more HP out of a turbo car. My 996 might start increasing in value! =)

[@lerudeboy]

one day you should release the playlist of your background tracks, soooooooo good!

[@w-james9277]

Carfection my arse!!!

[@haroob133]

Wtf is this name

[@NotCommanderShepard]

The 911 represents the pure "drivers' car". Every little change they make makes it a little bit less pure. Wow, I just felt a little bit like Hitler. Anyway, if Europe is so concerned about meeting emissions quotas and blah blah, they should try to make tankers, factories, buildings cleaner, not cars. Because, and this is one of my favorite stats ever, the largest 15-16 tankers in the world create the same amount of pollution as **all the cars in the world**. Wrap your head around that. I did, and I'm angry that the new 911 is turbo charged. Edit: I just found this channel I love it so far. Thank you.

[@numbereightyseven]

Nope. Do some basic research, and educate yourself away from such lies. And use some common sense: one tanker pollutes as much as 60 million cars? Dumbass. And those polluting non-cars provide the petrol you put in your car, to your petrol station. Don't keep embarrassing yourself with such gormless clueless self-absorbed statements.

[@darthnatas953]

@@numbereightyseven As opposed to the diesel burning locomotives, shipping coal to burn for your electric car.

[@charlieajaib2339]

+carfection Great video as always, also the 911 actually sounds quite nice.

[@mufflejoy]

Brilliant review, answered all the questions I had about the new turbo engines.

[@midnightfuture]

Love the shot at 2:17 at the whingeing about the name!

[@FlashManinSpace]

Actually the engine is in the right place. Its the best place for optimum cooling. The right place for traction and cornering. The right place for aerodynamics. The right place for uncompromised comfort. It's everyone else that's wrong.

[@TassieLorenzo]

+Flash Man ok.......

[@buckorooster]

+Flash Man Tell that to Le Mans cars engineers

[@philspaghet]

5:16 I see your camera car, Ford Focus ST :D

[@Alby911]

The changes only affect people who spend time on track, which would be a very small minority of drivers. For your average buyer, it's still an amazing car.

[@WahabGoldsmith]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG!!!

[@Beer_Dad1975]

I actually respect Porsche a lot for embracing new ideas and technology, and new social expectations and attempt to engineer the faults out of it - sure they aren't always completely successful, but they always make the industry progress.

[@gregoryhill2373]

you are doing a great job never mind the inclement weather.

[@j600esh]

Was this XCAR? Please let us know why the name changed. Thanks

[@M3Conv]

This is Porsche so do you get both turbos as standard or is the second an optional extra?

[@Pandamasque]

You can degenerate the critics all you want, but there's a good reason why the Singer exists. And don't you dare saying it's not better than all of the current Porsche models.

[@JoJoJoker]

Sure, just one little issue: For the price of one Singer one can buy a 993 Turbo, 997.2 Turbo S AND a 991.2 Turbo S.

[@Pandamasque]

+Abe From an Yes, and the waiting list is very long. That says something not in Porsche's favour.

[@JoJoJoker]

+Pan Damasque people will always appreciate and pay for the fine craftsmanship displayed in the Singer. Porsche is opening centers to restore older 911s. They have tons of love for their old cars. The new Singer Carrera 4 is bad ass.

[@georgiepeorgie3315]

Does this mean that the Vario Cam Plus ( variable valve timing )has gone?

[@Barfly76]

You bring up a good point in this vid. Will Porsche now have to change the name of the 911 Turbo to something different now that they will all be turbos?

[@SenszR]

/DRIVE sneak diss @ 2:09?

[@SCWahoo]

Fabulous. Love the car, great segment -- thank you!

[@kkaratas]

How does the manual gearbox feel compared to the first-gen car's?

[@ThePinoyMamba]

great video and love the review... you rock bro.

[@o3tomas]

The only think that we needed to know, and what was not said - is that the door for more affordable engine mods has been open and you can relatively easy blow 500hp out of it.

[@v8ssf]

Lovely car but I wouldn't swap it for my 991 4 GTS. The engine note on mine is just amazing and one I wouldn't want to give up.

[@richlongwith6430]

Great job on the review. Fabulous car! (own a 2005 997 S)

[@jerusdc]

I like the new edgeless nav screen, Wish mine had that.. Very cool

[@FuzzyCholo]

Whats the name of the song at the end?

[@paarthd2]

What's that soundtrack towards the end?

[@marironmaiden]

At 6:10 is tha a cassette slot under the CD slot?

[@jamzalmarri]

+Marios Hadjineophytou No. Memory Chip, Cellular Chip slot and what not.

[@marironmaiden]

+JAMAL AL MARRI cool thanks!

[@sysakPL]

XCAR/Carfection as lovely as your videos are in terms of filming + editing quality and narration, I've never heard you criticise anything. If there is any problem/feature /quality that many other reviewers outright don't like, you usually mention as "interesting", "controversial" and then proceed to sugarcoat it. I know what car companies do to journalists if they aren't enthusiastic enough about their products, (To anyone interested, look for the story Chris Harris published about Ferrari on Jalopnik in 2011) but the fact that you just love everything you test, and the " even if it's bad it's still good" approach makes me wonder whether you're a reliable source of information. And no, I don't really care about this or any other Porsche and don't mean specifically this video, just the general picture I got having seen almost everything you guys made.

[@wheelsandwatches]

It felt like you were forcing yourself to say you like it???

[@seanjones4409]

Great video. But more importantly where did you get that jacket?

[@mikelaskowski]

I thought this was a 2017 with the new engine for the gen 2 991....??

[@vaskopz]

One of the most famous quotes by Enzo Ferrari is "Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines". I would add turbos to that too.

[@sahil203]

lmao that's so ignorant it's stupid

[@blaubak]

The 991.5 is a prelude for Porsche's line of Hybrids which will be on all future 911's once this initial testing is complete. Imagine the turbos being replaced by hybrid generators. The last 911 100% petrol versions are now complete. The new era of 911's is here.

[@jamessmith-hb9ej]

Nice video like always... I can't wait to c u review the new bmw m2

[@ayrtonatif047]

+Carfection i beg you let me join your team. ✌

[@bazitube390]

Porsche fucked just like Ferrari with 488 :/ come on guys it's not a cheap car Porsche ment to be fun get rid of the turbo's

[@JeDxDeVu]

+Amin Sabourian Both have record sales and the 488 is already sold out for the next 2 years. No ones fucked.

[@bazitube390]

+Jesse D It's a Ferrari! what do u expect it's gonna sell even if they put a 4 cylinder engine on it, rich people gonna buy it, but is it as cool as the 458? hell no. just listen to the sound

[@TroublingStatue]

+Amin Sabourian So in your world a "cheap" car is associated with having a turbo, or am I getting something wrong here? Why should a turbo make a car less fun? Why all the turbo hate to begin with? I don't even...your comment doesn't make any sense m8.

[@bazitube390]

+TroublingStatueVII Turbo's ment to be use for race cars not sport cars, I think any true car lover would agree that nothing beats the feeling and sound of a naturally aspirated V8/12, example (AMG gts, F12, 458,m3 E92 ...)

[@MrCargod05]

+Amin Sabourian how exactly is the 488 ruined? Because it's not N/A? Then I guess the F40 and 288 evo is ruined too...

[@joelc.armstrong7951]

"however, even the most minute of changes are criticized and can cause them to drop the company, or product, or even a web-based car show at a moment's notice ..."

[@joelc.armstrong7951]

Lol it seems that way. Cheers to the #FanBoys

[@AmericanBusinessman422]

+Carfection what the color on the car?

[@shingnosis]

There is one big advantage to those turbos though. You should be able to tune that turbo engine and get another 75-125 bhp. Won't work in a naturally aspirated car. So you'd get 911 turbo level performance on the cheap. I expect the next 911 to be a hybrid with turbos and electric engine for torque fill.

[@vincai7710]

Thanks for the review!!!

[@rykalskyes8888]

I keep seeing these vids of people praising the new turbo--not turbo Porsche's-- power. I haven't seen anyone talk about the one question that used to be number one with turbo car tests. What about turbo lag? Is the power linear? How does it really compare with a proper engine (yes I'm not a fan of turbos)?

[@chrisogrady28]

36 MPG!? What! My 2.2 litre NA Alfa Romeo gets 20MPG if I'm really careful. I'm not really careful.

[@dvlarry]

It is a 911 Turbo Lite. Not exactly Carrera S.

[@ocariioca]

Give that thing a tune and you have yourself a new widow maker.

[@993m4S]

What is going on with the driver´s seat leather (shoulder area). Pre-series vehicle- I presume...

[@karlvanginderdeuren4009]

I think you guys should have a go with Koenigsegg. I think they might let you drive an RS or maybe later, an Regera. Fifth gear, top gear and EVO (written article by Chris Harris) have criticized previous of their models and on the other hand Koenigsegg has a filled order book... so it is not that important to let a lot of journalists have a go in their current models. But I tend to think that the way Carfection makes its videos, should allign with the way Christian himself likes to present his products. So go for it! Thanks for all the content Karl

[@zefa17]

Aftermarket exhaust with anti-lag, it will be MAD

[@ALMX5DP]

Great Review XCAR... I mean Carfection! Enthusiasts will always lament the previous generation of a loved icon, however Porsche needs to stay alive. These will sell, and allow the GT cars to be produced (though it may not be long before even they are converted). If you dont like the innovation, buy a 991.1 at a soon to be discounted rate.

[@B18C5]

love the landscape, what part of Great Britain is it?

[@minibus1351]

damn these new 911s. Ill go get myself a 993 Carrera S and be happy with the driving experience as well as its appreciation factor.

[@inspectorchicken]

This is one beautiful interior, I got to say. No problem with the turbo for me, modern cars just have turbos. They dont have lags anymore and they don't rev like the average 1.6L TDI Jetta.

[@AGC828]

Turbocharging to meet emissions regulations. I wonder about that. Since most of the major hi-per manufacturers still have at least one naturally aspirated car. Porsche still has the NA GT2 (I assume the GT3 RS, 2019 ver) will still be NA). So, if Porsche can still put out a 500 HP NA fat-6...what is the REAL reason why they chose to TT the Carrera's?? Why has Ferrari TT their 488 but not their 812 SUperfast? Why are Lamborghini's still NA? (e.g. Huracan's...Aventador's...etc.). Could Porsche not put a "de-turned" GT3 engine in the Carrera cars?? :)

[@SPQR101010]

lol great reference to changing the name and dropping the car show at a moments notice.

[@SpyderRios]

It has but then it hasn't. It just means that now everyone gets to get a Turbo no matter which model

[@marilynsedona704]

Nice pack shot at 1m 05s... ;)

[@2F4R4W4Y]

1:44 hey hey hey!! we all know what a 911 is all about!? driving!! righ?! one the most direct, engaged relationship between man and machine! isn't?, turbos lack of linear precise power!! that's why even no fan boys are complaining about!

[@echtogammut]

Great video I really do think this new model looks better than the outgoing. It is subtle, but better. That said I tried to give this whole Carfection name change thing a go, but I just can't take it anymore... I am going rage quit.

[@darilyn86]

Besides of the car..anyone knows the name of the song during the video?? Thx!

[@alexandernoskov60]

Shadowtalk by Alex Arcoleo

[@ahmetsokullu1866]

Since 911 is progressing to smaller engine would I be dreaming in hoping for same engined Cayman?

[@rahuldamala7021]

Porsche 911 turbo has turbos everyone loses their mind. 911 R has a manual gearbox everyone loses their mind. Carrera S has both the turbos and a manual gearbox nobody bats an eye.